The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 157

On September 21 2010 11:03 kzn wrote:
Would it be traitorous of you to help me vs Zerg :<

On January 19 2012 05:09 Olsson wrote:


Low money, good unit composition, good macro. Aslong as I do the shit correct my attitude is not an issue I just need to know how to beat this which I'm very doubtful that I can.

On January 19 2012 06:23 HyperionDreamer wrote:

Not going to lie, you do have a pretty crappy attitude towards this.

There was something about spawning a whole crapload of infested terrans AROUND the vortex so when the archons come out, they don't do near as much splash, you could give that a try. (I know you said he vortex your infestors, but keep them in the back so if he comes up to try to vortex them, NP it and vortex his units instead.)

If he's built that many warp prisms then his army food is likely a lot lower than yours, if you have 5 spines at each base then you hit a few transfuses and you are fine. This sounds more like rage than a constructive post.

On January 19 2012 05:41 Sidoth wrote:


You made a ton of mutas but did almost 0 dmg (you got 2 colossi late game). It was 2 base vs 2 base for a looooong time. You threw away 10-20~ supply worth of zerglings multiple times. You denied his third once or twice but then let him get a gold base. He sniped a couple of your morphing brood lords near the end. In the final battle he had SO much more army supply.

On January 19 2012 22:02 Catgroove wrote:
@Olsson: Since you think the problem is with balance and not with your play here's a few things I noticed while watching the replay:

* You drone scout. Why? You go 14/14 to be safe and your drone scout won't change a thing. (unless you have a VERY strict build order vs FFE etc, which you shouldn't anyway). You even wasted time running around his main when you saw the forge.
* You went lair against FFE before taking a third, why? Many top players have stated that two base muta is bad.
* You had two guys in one of your geyser for a very long time.
* You flew by a pylon and didn't even kill it i.e your map awarness is bad.
* You barely poked with your mutas. You saw a few stalkers and then you gave up even though you had plenty of opportunities to do damage. Don't missunderstand me though, you did some damage but you are way to inactive with your mutas.
* Double evo and only one upgrading.
* You flew into 20 stalkers you knew was there, bad control.
* You do realize that instead of teching you could've just maxed out on mutas and lings and ended the game? He got his third up too late and you even denied it as well. Way to passive early on with lings.
* You built an infestation pit and didn't even use it for anything for a while. No hive, no infestors for like 3 minutes.
* No overseer flying around with your mutas picking of observers.
* You kept losing your mutas to bad engagements all game. You do realize mutaling is a counter attack-style unit composition right? Base trade is your best friend.

On January 19 2012 22:44 Olsson wrote:


Alright thanks. I went 14/14 because it's the most solid opening around and I prefer early ling speed so I can deny scouts and do aggresion against a 1gate expo. I always drone scout in ZvP to see if they go FFE or not. If they do not I keep it inside to watch for 2nd gas timing, it was a mistake to keep it around so long against a FFE. That pylon I flew by I'm not sure which one you are referring to but if it was the one I just saw as my mutas got out it was because I was rushing to his probe line before he could get cannons up. The evos were because I didnt start them at the same time and I think that my +2 meele finished way before my +1 carpace and I got infestor pit so I could get hive and more upgrades but I kept making mutas which I lost due to me being sloppy and losing some.

I couldnt max out on lings and mutas because he had a ton of stalkers and forcefields and I couldnt engage him at the middle and it's hard to engage with just lings and mutas becasue of sim city, cannons and forcefields. Though some of what I said was venting I couldn't do much more damage than what I did since he nullified my muta harass with having stalkers in place and a ton of cannons. I didn't notice that his stalkers went out of position for me to harass and if they did then I did a mistake. I do agree that some of the things I said was also complaining abit about balance but my point remains that I had an econ advantage the entire game and I denied bases for a long time trading efficiently with lings to do so. Thanks for the tips.

I went 2base muta because most protoss i've met say that it's a great way to deny early thirds from protosses and i've never heard a pro say that it's shit.

On January 19 2012 22:46 Catgroove wrote:


Bait him into a fight, pick off the sentries and fly away. About the 2 base part: I think Ret said it on Homestory as well on his stream.

On January 20 2012 00:10 Infleto wrote:
In ZvZ I have a macro style, I FE with a safe 14p / 16h / 16g I took the build form Vibe.
I use 2 queens to block the ramp and one spine on the low ground to defend the ramp and my natural hatch.
I can hold most 1 base banelings all-ins, I can deal with speeding expands. or other FE builds



I can not seem to deal with a one base roach rush.


1) What is the time and manner to scout 1 base roach rush in ZvZ? A lot of the time 4 or 6 lings will sit on their ramp blocking ling scouting. Is there any tells that I can pick up on with out sacking a overlord that early?

2) What should I do after confirming a 1 base roach rush to defend?

On January 20 2012 01:46 Olsson wrote:
If I put a drone on patrol every single game to stop this from happening it's not good economically and not really worth it.
http://drop.sc/95005

On January 19 2012 06:15 TheBatman wrote:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Master zerg (me) vs. mid master toss


I'm having trouble beating this, I've played versus it quite a bit and basically it is an FFE into double stargate contain. Once I break out I double expand and by then he is usually on 3 base and going double robo, once about 4 colossus pop he is near max with 4 colossus/blink stalker +3/ void deathball at near max supply. At this point im working towards broodlords but I cannot get them out fast enough to stop this.

halp?

Here is replay.

http://www.2shared.com/file/HegKt_G0/help_me.html

On January 21 2012 07:11 Effay wrote:
So when do you take a third vs. terrans that go reactor hellion? Do you just make enough speedlings to try to fend them off, and then take it? This seems to rely on the terran player having poor hellion control, i.e not reliable. If the terran decides to follow this up with marine/medivac/hellion with fast third instead of marine tank, going 2 base muta will get you killed (as demonstrated in the recent showmatch with Idra). It seems to me that the proper way to counter this is to take a quick third yourself and defend with ling/baneling, and waiting to get mutas on 3 bases.

Now, with mutas being delayed like this, would it be a good idea to make roaches to defend reactor hellion openings instead of spines since your mutas will be delayed anyway? Hypothetically you should be able to put some pressure on terran if he overcommits to hellions, and be able to secure a third yourself, but if the terran ISN"T playing the style I described above (ie gets tanks) then the roaches could put you way behind and you'll die to a marine/tank push and/or drops.

On January 20 2012 21:39 Mackx wrote:


Ever considered the Terran is also pulling SCV's off to make the bunkers and barracks? And he hasn't got MULE's at this moment in the game so economically it doesn't hurt you at all.. That is, of course, unless you are Grandmaster on the Korean server where cloning workers even matters.

On January 21 2012 07:06 TheBatman wrote:




can anyone answer this?