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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
and no goons didnt do comparable dps they do more max damage but they do only 10 damage to armored units -armor value and they shoot slower then stalker and are produced slower also they have to "aim" after they killed a unit which delays the shooting (which is a engine problem/feature) | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
that is not true they were very good vs lings and they were ok vs zealots too | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
If you would like to compare goons dps with stalkers dps then you have something like this: Stalker: 1,41atk cd 10dmg +4 vs armored => 7,1 / 9,9 Goon: 1,72atk cd 15dmg -5vs light +5 vs armored. => 5,8 / 8,7 / 11.6 Lower vs light/nonarmored and higher vs armored. I would call it comparable. But yes, stalkers are part of that in sc2 everything dies faster, but not as much as most other things. Goliaths sucked hard vs anything but air. They were not very good vs lings... They just sucked less vs lings or zealots then vs most of other units, but still they were insanely cost inefficent at fighting them. If i had to choose vulture or goli vs lings/zealots i woudl choose vult any day. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
incorrect if you reach a certain amount of gols they melt lings and they win vs zealots and marines they only suck vs them in low units counts (sure i would choose vults too but you are just wrong saying they sucked vs everything) but whatever you are the scbw pro | ||
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MNdakota
United States512 Posts
We've been playing a lot of games on Ohana and it's a terrible map for Starbow really. It's just too small! TT | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
I love discusing with you >.>. First you are talking about dps, suddenly takling about roaches hps, now you are using arguments like "you are the scbw pro". Srsly dude... I have nothing against you, so dont take everything personal. | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
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MNdakota
United States512 Posts
On July 22 2012 03:30 Danko__ wrote: Dakota... You should be happy to play on these maps. Here we have only 2 community made maps, and one of them is terribly small :d. What maps do you EU people have? xD | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
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MNdakota
United States512 Posts
On July 22 2012 03:37 Danko__ wrote: Devolution and Quarantine Zone. Btw, did Kabbel upload new version already? Dakota, dont you wanna stream some games? Im bored in work right now. No he didn't upload yet. I will stream if anyone is on NA after this End of Nations game. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
Goliaths are generally used in conjunction with Siege Tanks, and sometimes Vultures or Valkyries in mech or mech-bio TvZ variants. The Goliath's purpose is to help stifle the Mutalisks. While Goliaths are relatively immobile compared to the Marine and Medic combination, its superior range and damage compensates. Goliaths high rate of fire and high health make them fare very well against Zerglings. Also, they have longer range than Mutalisks. Goliath, Vulture, Siege Tank "balls" that are fully upgraded are notoriously hard to stop. With the advent of the Fantasy Build, Goliaths are becoming more and more common on the TvZ battlefield. [edit]versus Terran Goliaths are used to help stop early Wraith attacks and are very good against Vultures with Spider Mines. Commonly, drops have a Goliath or two in them in order to shoot down Wraiths or even approaching Dropships. Some Terrans may also choose to harass the opposing player's economy with Goliaths. Because four Goliaths fit inside a Dropship, Goliaths are fairly efficient at killing SCVs. In the late game, Goliaths are part of a rock-paper-scissors strategy where Goliaths counter Battlecruisers, which counter Siege Tanks which counter Goliaths." but wait players like flash and fantasy are just noobs they dont know how to play  and i dont have something against you either but i cant stand you are talking about scbw like you are a pro gamer and know everything and infact you are a d+ noob that played the game for some months i played the game for several years on medium level and i dont know the game perfectly aswell but you are just talking BS sometimes | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
Im not gonna list all myths you belive or belived and stated here or on bnet as that would take way too much time. | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
not true but i dont care anymore you obv. know it better | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
and sure you cant go for mass gols only vs z cause then he will just mass hyds and mutas and kill you | ||
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TaShadan
Germany1981 Posts
and yes i know that the lings are slow and the computer is stupid but that shows that goliaths actually do lots of damage to low hp units | ||
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Danko__
Poland429 Posts
1. Really cool game. Really wp by Flash. Insane, constant harras, securing map with mines, not giving second for zerg to breath. Great vulture play allowed him to secure positions and slowly get map bit by bit. Shows how vultures, tanks, mines, turrets and SVs are strong. And golis were there to defend vs mutas. Literally once they were used to fight anything else as main force, and they were still in superior position and numbers to hydras (and with tank support). I have seen games which you could use as much better examples where good golis timing ended games even vs hydra and sunkens. But there were other reasons why they had chance to work (vulture harras/drops mostly). 2. LOL, thats BAD example. They do deal significant dps to low hp units, but their hps are too low and cost to high when you want them to be force vs lings/hydras. | ||
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MNdakota
United States512 Posts
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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