I didn't know Dustin Browder had a TL.net account! lol

Can't wait for the maps to come out of this. TL has some amazing map makers and I hope they finally get a chance to get some wider recognition on the ladder.

rastaban

United States2294 Posts

September 28 2011 14:35 GMT

#144

For people complaining about the restriction, remember that most of the people playing on your map if it makes it into the pool won't be Grandmaster players or even be on TL. This is why some things have to be standard, the guy in bronze doesn't understand when there are less patches at a base or they have less in them, the same goes for weirdly looking Xelnaga towers or High yield gas.

You may want the game balanced for the top level of players, but the map pool needs to accommodate every skill range, and fit well with the existing maps.

Question, can submitted maps be edited? Say a map is submitted but later the submitter finds out it has a bug or he thinks of a great improvement. Can we PM a replacement map, telling which of the previous it is to replace?

Thanks TL for doing this!

Shuray

Brazil642 Posts

September 28 2011 14:41 GMT

#145

That's great, I like how much the community can contribute to the evolution of the game with things like those. Props to Blizzard and TL.net for this.

Good luck to the contenders.

Nightmarjoo

United States3360 Posts

September 28 2011 14:41 GMT

#146

Amazing, I might have to go back into mapping for this.

Warpath

Canada1242 Posts

September 28 2011 14:45 GMT

#147

This is huge! So many beautiful maps! Can't wait to see what the oh so high level mappers come up with.

Just over a month? Hopefully i can get 2 of em out

chuky500

France473 Posts

September 28 2011 15:15 GMT

#148

If you want to play maps that will probably be submitted, I'm running a tournament on saturday on custom melee maps. It's open to Diamond and Masters.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=268096

+ Show Spoiler +

Kevan

Sweden2303 Posts

September 28 2011 15:17 GMT

#149

How hard is it to learn mapmaking? Any good newbie guides?

Note: I´m not expecting to be able to create a real map for quite some time.

GeorgeForeman

United States1746 Posts

September 28 2011 15:24 GMT

#150

This contest is awesome.

I'm disappointed that Blizzard feels that anything but 8 mineral patches at an expo is too confusing for players to figure out, but I'm excited that they're taking input from the community.

Edited to add one question:

Are you allowed to fiddle around with the HP of destructible rocks? Because it strikes me that 5000 (or whatever) hp is not always going to be the correct number on those for balance. Making them always have the same amount of HP/armor takes what could be a flexible tool and turns it into a blunt instrument.

LunaSaint

United Kingdom620 Posts

September 28 2011 15:32 GMT

#151

On September 29 2011 00:17 Kevan wrote:
How hard is it to learn mapmaking? Any good newbie guides?

Note: I´m not expecting to be able to create a real map for quite some time.

At its worst, it can be a nightmare. You think you have a decent map rolling and you'll find 101 flaws. After a few hours and you've fixed most of them, you find another 101 you missed and another 20 that came with the fixes.
Then if you want to make any significant alterations to the layout after starting the visuals of the map you generally have to destroy and remake details that took ages just to move something or increase the size of the map.
Not to mention the difficulty of using up space in a decent manner, working out battle flow, balance quirks and learning how big ramps and spaces should be.

However, it's amazing fun to try things out, and really satisfying to get ideas into a playable form. Mapping is a bit of a journey, just like getting any good at the game in the first place.

Definitely a good, wholesome kind of difficult. Just look at individuals' (not winners) maps change and improve over consecutive map of the month competitions.

mechavoc

United States664 Posts

September 28 2011 15:40 GMT

#152

Good luck to all the TL'ers I'm sure with all the talent on this site there will be amazing entries.
Would love to see another 2 position 1v1 map in the pool they are fun to play

goswser

United States3548 Posts

September 28 2011 15:43 GMT

#153

you guys forgot to mention that the maps won't be used by blizzard unless they have lots of destructible rocks

Ownos

United States2147 Posts

September 28 2011 15:49 GMT

#154

Looks like I have a real reason to start up that map editor.

On September 29 2011 00:24 GeorgeForeman wrote:
This contest is awesome.

I'm disappointed that Blizzard feels that anything but 8 mineral patches at an expo is too confusing for players to figure out, but I'm excited that they're taking input from the community.

Edited to add one question:

Are you allowed to fiddle around with the HP of destructible rocks? Because it strikes me that 5000 (or whatever) hp is not always going to be the correct number on those for balance. Making them always have the same amount of HP/armor takes what could be a flexible tool and turns it into a blunt instrument.

Because Blizzard doesn't balance the game with gimmicky expansions?

ladyumbra

Canada1699 Posts

September 28 2011 15:57 GMT

#155

I can't wait to see what our talented community comes up with for this competition. Small semi related question, I noticed testbug was mentioned in the opening , are the rocks they have that block minerals but not the expansion location itself usable in this? I don't make maps myself but I'd love to see more maps with those sorts of rocks since blizzard demands rocks anyways.

FlopTurnReaver

Switzerland1980 Posts

September 28 2011 16:07 GMT

#156

On September 28 2011 15:20 Plexa wrote:
b. Don’t change values on mineral patches, geysers, or rock health/armor values

On September 29 2011 00:17 Kevan wrote:
How hard is it to learn mapmaking? Any good newbie guides?

Note: I´m not expecting to be able to create a real map for quite some time.

It's not that hard to make some simple stuff in the editor, it just takes a lot of time to figure out all the little things and also how to do nice aesthetical work. You can find a lot of awesomeness in the Mapmaking Links Compilation. Generally people tend to be pretty helpful in the Custon Maps forum if you're interested in mapmaking, definitly check it out^^

EDIT: About all the questions wheter this or that feature is allowed etc. I guess a good rule of thumb is: If you haven't seen it on a Blizzard map, it's probably a good thing not to use it.