EPTThis is just my opinion, offered for constructive purposes. I know that I'm in the minority on TL with regards to my writing tastes, however I felt it may be appropriate to voice them here given Mynock's criticism.
Power Rank 02/02/2007 - Page 6
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
This is just my opinion, offered for constructive purposes. I know that I'm in the minority on TL with regards to my writing tastes, however I felt it may be appropriate to voice them here given Mynock's criticism. | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
On February 09 2007 09:16 DJEtterStyle wrote: Shhh! He doesn't get it. Don't be the one to change that! Edit: OK, the rest of the discussion is better suited for MiR. -Mynock | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On February 09 2007 07:40 Mynock wrote: But still I ask you personally, DJ: stop with the outrageous insults please. You're not doing yourself any justice with them. Please keep them up, otherwise I will stop reading. FOR REAL ANDREW, FOR REAL. | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On February 09 2007 09:57 omgbnetsux wrote: Please keep them up, otherwise I will stop reading. FOR REAL ANDREW, FOR REAL. Join the OSL/MSL channels on sc2.org during them leagues and you will have your fill for weeks on. The constant topics of discussion include such ever-important questions as how much make-up will melt down from Iris before half his pimples are revealed by the end of the game, how many chokopies July consumed before the matches, or which bar did SaviOr get his herpes from. It's never lonely in there. -Mynock | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
On February 09 2007 09:53 KizZBG wrote: I dont see the PR lasting very long after all these debates. The debates are what makes it interesting!  (refering to the actual debates, not personal attacks ^_^ ) | ||
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
On February 08 2007 18:24 DJEtterStyle wrote: I'm glad you were able to come to that conclusion eight days into the month. You're clearly an individual who considers all the facts before forming an opinion. oh give me a break, all of my other criticism has been more or less thought out whenever I posted in the list, out of curiosity, though, what leagues are GGPlay going to play in between now and march for a spot on the list. Same thing with rA, pretty much nothing right? So it's not like he is going to have anything to show for next month anyway. It was probably presumptious to say that this feature should be removed, because I like it a lot and the controversy it brings. However, the GGPlay bias annoyed me this month more than anything in the preceding features. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
a power ranking for such short periods of time is always bound to be inaccurate as hell.. you should set clear rules about how you rate the gamers.. like give every player a ''POWER RATING'' ( i.e : Savior 10 NaDa 9 Iris 5 OR you could even devide it in match up ranks : Savior ZvP 10 Savior ZvT 9 Saivor zvz 8 ; NaDa TvP 9 NaDa TvZ 9 NaDa TvT 9 ) PLZ note, that these rankings are examples and it might be very hard to give an accurate ranking. Now you make a ranking of every pro playing right now. You could change it from 1 to 10.. to 1 to 20 or whatever in order to make it more accurate.. So basicaly now you invent some kind of ''ladder'' with a ranking ''system'' and now you could always update it for.. lets say 1 or two months or maybe limited by a certain number of games being played. I dont know exactly how we could make it, but thats something u can think about if u take the time.. and with quite huge effort you could make such a system, very well, imo. I hope u got my idea and with this idea you basicaly get some more objective results, imho.. You could even change a players ''powerranking'' in his different match ups by looking for every game in every certain match up he played so far and changing it accordingly to his success. This is VERY much work and i can easily understand if no one would ever want to do it, but if you understood my idea you should at least find it a little bit interesting and worth thinkin about it. And please never say someone played better than the other if the one who is supposed to have played better actually lost. ( i.e Anytime vs NaDa ) . Anytime lost because he was worse. I dont care if it were strategical mistakes, macro faults or micro .. or what ever. IF someone loses be it for his own faults or for the strength of his opponent or what so ever.. its stupid and totally unheard to call the other player the better gamer. Thats just like saying : This guy A did a beatuiful reaver drop and killed with superb micro all the units, when at the same time he doest horrible macro faults and loses .. its the WHOLE and complete game with all its litte faccetts, and the winner of the game is the one who did the least faults or did force the most faults of his opponent. so far PhiL | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 09 2007 11:10 omgbnetsux wrote: Power rankings are, by nature, subjective. You have an objective ranking. Its called KeSPA. we've been over this a dozen times -.- at the point at which you try to ascribe any objectivity whatsoever to it - i.e., by calling it a "Power Ranking" and not "DJEtter's Ten Favorite Players" - you lose the right to hide behind 'subjectivity' and 'personal opinion' in every decision, and you need to present at least some form of justification and rationalization for the decision | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On February 09 2007 10:43 MaGic~PhiL wrote: much and ra are too high imho.. a power ranking for such short periods of time is always bound to be inaccurate as hell.. you should set clear rules about how you rate the gamers.. like give every player a ''POWER RATING'' ( i.e : Savior 10 NaDa 9 Iris 5 OR you could even devide it in match up ranks : Savior ZvP 10 Savior ZvT 9 Saivor zvz 8 ; NaDa TvP 9 NaDa TvZ 9 NaDa TvT 9 ) PLZ note, that these rankings are examples and it might be very hard to give an accurate ranking. Now you make a ranking of every pro playing right now. You could change it from 1 to 10.. to 1 to 20 or whatever in order to make it more accurate.. So basicaly now you invent some kind of ''ladder'' with a ranking ''system'' and now you could always update it for.. lets say 1 or two months or maybe limited by a certain number of games being played. I dont know exactly how we could make it, but thats something u can think about if u take the time.. and with quite huge effort you could make such a system, very well, imo. I hope u got my idea and with this idea you basicaly get some more objective results, imho.. You could even change a players ''powerranking'' in his different match ups by looking for every game in every certain match up he played so far and changing it accordingly to his success. This is VERY much work and i can easily understand if no one would ever want to do it, but if you understood my idea you should at least find it a little bit interesting and worth thinkin about it. And please never say someone played better than the other if the one who is supposed to have played better actually lost. ( i.e Anytime vs NaDa ) . Anytime lost because he was worse. I dont care if it were strategical mistakes, macro faults or micro .. or what ever. IF someone loses be it for his own faults or for the strength of his opponent or what so ever.. its stupid and totally unheard to call the other player the better gamer. Thats just like saying : This guy A did a beatuiful reaver drop and killed with superb micro all the units, when at the same time he doest horrible macro faults and loses .. its the WHOLE and complete game with all its litte faccetts, and the winner of the game is the one who did the least faults or did force the most faults of his opponent. so far PhiL I agree with everything Phil said. That would take an extreme amount of work but if someone is willing to do it I say we let them do so. This would mean watching EVERY SINGLE televised game and analyzing closely. AND making a rating system and keeping track of it. This would take a lot of effort, would anyone actually want all this work? | ||
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[Carlodajin]
Peru306 Posts
On February 09 2007 11:10 omgbnetsux wrote: Power rankings are, by nature, subjective. You have an objective ranking. Its called KeSPA. You should have said why KeSPA its objective... KeSPA Rankings follows the path of Winning Percentage... The more you win...the higher you will be... On a personal note...I like what Mynock said... If this ranking wasnt so disrespectful to Korean Progamers...I would also like it... | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Myxomatosis
United States2392 Posts
On February 09 2007 16:19 [Carlodajin] wrote: You should have said why KeSPA its objective... KeSPA Rankings follows the path of Winning Percentage... The more you win...the higher you will be... On a personal note...I like what Mynock said... If this ranking wasnt so disrespectful to Korean Progamers...I would also like it... kespa is also dumb at the same time because it takes so long for people to rise up/fall down (ie. JJu at #3 one higher than last month, Chojja in top 10 etc.) So power rankings has its own advantage as well. | ||
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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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