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yourmydinner
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands19 Posts
March 14 2012 09:59 GMT
#61
I think everything is pretty balanced, except Mules. But nobody is using them correctly. A mule based economy late game, can give terran 50 army supply more. Which on big maps is really strong.
Something interesting is written here.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
March 14 2012 10:05 GMT
#62
I don't get how anyone who plays Zerg ever loses.
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darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
March 14 2012 10:05 GMT
#63
Voted protoss just because the only way to beat a protoss army is a good engagement on favourable terrain, but the protoss army modifies the terrain and dictates the terms of engagement.

Anyone can die to a timing attack if they're trying to macro, I wouldn't really factor in silly all-ins that happen in pvz/pvt. I've played zerg since beta though, i've suffered enough proxy-2rax-bunker rushes to have no pity for protoss who die while expanding with thin defenses.
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
March 14 2012 10:38 GMT
#64
No really big buffs have happened to protoss recently I feel, last thing I can remember that had a big impact would be the cheaper forge upgrades from last year. The phoenix range upgrade I feel didn't change much or anything at all, not seen people use it at all mostly. I think it's just the metagame right now that's changing.
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Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
March 14 2012 11:04 GMT
#65
On March 14 2012 19:05 darkscream wrote:
Voted protoss just because the only way to beat a protoss army is a good engagement on favourable terrain, but the protoss army modifies the terrain and dictates the terms of engagement.

Anyone can die to a timing attack if they're trying to macro, I wouldn't really factor in silly all-ins that happen in pvz/pvt. I've played zerg since beta though, i've suffered enough proxy-2rax-bunker rushes to have no pity for protoss who die while expanding with thin defenses.


I like the way you stated your first paragraph
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
March 14 2012 11:20 GMT
#66
On March 14 2012 12:34 PandaMonk wrote:
Look at win rates in korea. Protoss>all. Quarter finals this GSL, 1/2 protoss. Protoss seems to be the strongest but that doesn't mean they are OP. Gogo zerg!


That argument just doesn't work. One season we had 6/8 Terran players in the quarterfinals.
So... terran was super dominant. Even more so than P today. How much did blizzard nerf them? They only changed the ghost and now protoss is too strong? That doesn't make sence. Watch Stephano or any clearthinking zerg against a protoss. It aint pretty... But yeah...
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Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
March 14 2012 11:22 GMT
#67
On March 14 2012 19:05 darkscream wrote:
Voted protoss just because the only way to beat a protoss army is a good engagement on favourable terrain, but the protoss army modifies the terrain and dictates the terms of engagement.

Anyone can die to a timing attack if they're trying to macro, I wouldn't really factor in silly all-ins that happen in pvz/pvt. I've played zerg since beta though, i've suffered enough proxy-2rax-bunker rushes to have no pity for protoss who die while expanding with thin defenses.


I see your point... But really? As a zerg player you're complaining about protoss being able to alter your micro abilities? Really? Reeeally? Have you ever heard about fungals? Having pre-split and flanks ready will just drain the sentry energy - or give you an amazing engagement.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 14 2012 11:37 GMT
#68
I'd say that ZvP is P favored, TvP is T favored and ZvT is balanced, so T > P > Z.

But it's still really close and map dependent.
maru lover forever
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
March 14 2012 11:43 GMT
#69
Muta and 2base immortal allin are imbalanced in pvz, all the rest is quite balanced imo.
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
MAmchlee
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia6 Posts
March 14 2012 11:50 GMT
#70
toss gets most votes because there are more terran players..

protoss: vote terran/ zerg
zerg: vote terran/ toss
terran vote toss

therefore....................toss/terran will get the most votes~ but there are more terran players so yep^
“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.”
Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
March 14 2012 11:54 GMT
#71
It saddens me how people vote toss while the only real significant changes are warp prism and immortal changes.
We have adjusted, and now people cry once more. Even terrans whining, I just don't get that while half GSL is terran. It's not because YOUR micro/macro is poor that another race is OP. This poll is not about what class cheeses best in bronze league.

I personally think toss is wayyyy too weak early game, terran can just mm, zerg kan roach ling but we have to get robo units to even stand a slight chance. Our fast expands are fragile as well, since zealots have no chance against well microd barracks units, or roach pushes.
But late game, we are certainly viable. People cry about death balls but what about playing against a zerg with 15 brood lords and infestors/roaches for the rest of his army supply? They are just as deadly. As well is a 3/3 bioball with siege support if everything is spread well and u target fire.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
March 14 2012 12:07 GMT
#72
Voted protoss but I don't think it's by a huge margin. Zerg could use a slight buff but I'm really not sure what/where would be appropriate.
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
March 14 2012 12:10 GMT
#73
On March 14 2012 12:15 SolarXPn wrote:
Why would you vote terran... Makes no sense :/


Look at aggregate winrates for the past year in Korea as well as the rest of the world.
The raw statistics should make some sense to you.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
March 14 2012 12:47 GMT
#74
well geez why cant it be zerg lol. I wouldnt mind being OP in exchange for winning more
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 14 2012 12:53 GMT
#75
why would TL decide to make a poll like this?
dont they spend most of their time banning people or trying to discourage people from balnce whining?

anyone saying storm is too good gtfo
having EMP and Snipe both with longer ranges then storm mean theoretically storm shouldnt be much of an issue.
One storm cant change the game as much as one EMP can
Ksyper
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Bulgaria665 Posts
March 14 2012 13:01 GMT
#76
Voted toss cus I just lost a bunch of ZvPs where I was 1 base ahead, but made the mistake to get maxed and died.
Olsson
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden931 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 13:14:20
March 14 2012 13:12 GMT
#77
Protoss is the strongest race IMO. Though fragile early game pays off with being impossible to beat in the late game if the protoss plays at an equal skill level to the opponent and doesn't make any huge mistakes.

The recent TL poll also showed that the race distribution on this site isn't as scattered that people may believe, it's very close so I wouldn't say there is much bias.

Just like Idra says ZvP comes down to forcefields. The two base immortal heavy sentry push is a perfect example to this you can lose even though you're maxed with roach/hydra, aslong as there are good forcefields on the ground you can't really do much.

EDIT: Though I feel to some extent that terran could be the strongest. They make T1 units the entire game with a T3 support unit which are not combat units but medivacs. In ZvT you need tier 3 (ultras, broodlords, infestors) to counter a mostly T1 army with T2 support (marine, tank) which is fundamentally flawed since it is also paired with that zerg techs slowest and terran the fastest.
Naniwa <3
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
March 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#78
Zerg is strongest and terran is weakest. Protoss is easy but not imba.
http://www.twitch.tv/becosmos
Phony
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation24 Posts
March 14 2012 13:22 GMT
#79
Why why ? For the love of god why protoss again?
This "op race" election is definitly rigged!
Straight "P"
LunaSea
Profile Joined October 2011
Luxembourg369 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 13:28:47
March 14 2012 13:23 GMT
#80
I voted for Protoss because from the many tournaments and streams I watched recently, I think that they're a the race with the most unit abilities which can't be avoided with skill (what I mean is that if your in a donut forcefield you can be MMA or mister #100 Bronze player it doesn't change much) :

- Forcefields (Sentry)
- Vortex (Mothership)
- Auto-attack (Phoenix)

And I'm not even talking of combinations of abilities that are very powerfull for Protoss :

- Archon toilet (most of the time a game changer)
- Forcfield behind your units + Storms (High Templar)
- (Push with Sentrys forcefielding the ramp to your main base)

Other races have some good abilities too, but generally I feel that they are easier to "dodge" or mitigate (besides juking a bit to make the Protoss fail his first forcefields, which really doesn't matter in late game).
For example : "Fungal Growth is awesome for Zergs but in big battles you nearly have to sacrifice your Infestor everytime you want to get in range (Colossi, Storm, Siege Tanks ...etc.)".

In my opinion spells like Fungal, Vortex, Phoenix auto-attack and Forcefields should be redesigned to make them reflect the two players's skill more.

Just my two cents here.
"Your f*cking wrong, but I respect your opinion" --Day[9]
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