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WWJDD
India342 Posts
Flash is clearly one of the top two players in the world right now. He's shown a little vulnerability in TvT... Except, he showed vulnerability in TvP losing to Snow and Free. And then he showed some vulnerability in TvZ in the way he lost to Effort and almost lost to S2 today. | ||
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Hugo(Sphere)
United States44 Posts
1. Jaedong 2. Flash There, I've settled this debate once and for all. Now let's get back to debating the POWER RANK. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:14 darkemperor wrote: Well he lost to #6 (who's been more consistent recently), free did pretty much the same as bisu but arguably better, sea won his seeding group, great's being playing beastly and came running up in his seeding group so really, without any S class scalps and a long absence from PR, 10 was the only spot I could justifiably give bisu. Anything higher would be assuming something more from bisu based on his history.I really don't see why Bisu is so behind in THIS month's Power Rank.. I mean he won Ace match for SKT.. He played like a beast in OSL & MSL qualifiers.. so what does he have to do more? He lost to Pusan & Stats .. ok.. but I mean really when Flash had a worse record, he can continue being #1 but pinpointing Bisu's.. really questionable.. I wouldn't see Bisu in Top 5, still.. but he deserved #6 or #7 IMO. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:10 BPCoffee wrote: I guess losses and wins from any regular matches that weren't "special" don't hold any value. Jaedong going 8-1, Flash going below 50% is still not a reason to put JD over Flash. Stylish, I really like your contribution toward Terrans but it's really time to put fanboyism aside I didn't mean they didn't hold any value. But in my oppinion they weren't valuable enough to drop the guy who just 3-0'd jaedong and made both finals. Flash didn't get dropped out of anything and his team is still #1. I can understand that some people wanted jaedong at #1 spot. I'd just like for others to understand why flash kept his spot this month. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:09 Hugo(Sphere) wrote: Flash being the 2nd most powerful guy in the game right now? Maybe, and that's a big big big maybe. If I had to put my life savings on Flash winning a game or a series against one randomly chosen player picked out of a hat, or I had to put my life savings on Jaedong winning a game or series against one randomly chosen player picked out of a hat, I'd still probably throw that money on Flash, even with Jaedong's nice wins and Flash's losses. I don't discount the blip on Flash's record lately, but I'd be hard pressed to put him at 2 now without some more evidence next month, and to put him at 3 is just pure ignorance. Someone gets it.  | ||
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12yearsofsc
Greece30 Posts
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BobbYt3hBobbY
256 Posts
Good thing he made himself an easy Group to show us how powerful he is by noobbashing s2 and classic | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
On July 02 2010 00:56 snowdrift86 wrote: FLASH FANBOY [x] There's no such thing as Jaedong fans, only Flash antifans [ ] If you disagree, you're a hater [ ] A game vs foru is a free win, a game vs Backho in the guy's first appearance since his injury isn't [ ] Losses reflect so well on Flash, perhaps more than his wins [ ] Drawn-out TvTs are a rarity [ ] when Flash cheeses and wins, it's a well-calculated, genius move [ ] Flash can only lose to cheese [ ] Ruby is top-line competition [ ] when Flash cheeses and fails, his opponent deserves no credit [ ] None of the above applies to Jaedong This months PR seems to look like this. [ ] There's no such thing as Jaedong fans, only Flash antifans [ ] If you disagree, you're a hater [x] A game vs foru is a free win, a game vs Backho in the guy's first appearance since his injury isn't [x] Losses reflect so well on Flash, perhaps more than his wins [x] Drawn-out TvTs are a rarity [x] when Flash cheeses and wins, it's a well-calculated, genius move [x] Flash can only lose to cheese [x] Ruby is top-line competition [x] when Flash cheeses and fails, his opponent deserves no credit [x] None of the above applies to Jaedong | ||
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alypse
Vietnam2762 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:19 BobbYt3hBobbY wrote: Yeah Flash losing every single ace match then proceeding to stumble through his MSL group definetly showed us how powerful he is. Good thing he made himself an easy Group to show us how powerful he is by noobbashing s2 and classic Gave me a good laugh. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:04 Plexa wrote: And if you recall, I commented that Jaedong would have won that game if it were played on any other map. Jaedong had pretty weak lineup that month, far weaker than Flash's this month. Hmm, I wouldn't say far weaker. I did some calcs with TLPD and if you do the weighted average of the vT against Flash this month compared to vZ against Jaedong that month, the difference is less than 2% winrate against their respective races. It's not really significant. Then, if you average the respective vT and vZ of their opponents who they lost to, JD's losses average a higher win percent vZ than Flash's did vT. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Plexa shows his JD hate once again JD is CLEARLY #1 | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On July 02 2010 00:17 BPCoffee wrote: Ruby is at 30% TvT and Really is at 47% TvT. Yes Jaedong beat ForU. But ForU played an amazing game, standing on his own against JD and you downplay it as a "free win" to Jaedong. Let's also take away all 7 other wins by Jaedong because he didn't deserve it as much as Flash. Uhh yeah, it's a 1on1... edit: he must have meant "holding his own." But really, it was a free win. | ||
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12yearsofsc
Greece30 Posts
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Poll: Who deserves #1 on PR this month? Jaedong (154) Flash (92) 246 total votes Your vote: Who deserves #1 on PR this month? | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On July 02 2010 01:31 Fenrax wrote: bullshit PR Plexa shows his JD hate once again JD is CLEARLY #1 It's not CLEARLY. It's arguable. One side just happened to get more supporters, and Plexa chose the other. =/ | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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genericname92
United States148 Posts
On July 02 2010 00:56 snowdrift86 wrote: FLASH FANBOY [x] There's no such thing as Jaedong fans, only Flash antifans [ ] If you disagree, you're a hater [ ] A game vs foru is a free win, a game vs Backho in the guy's first appearance since his injury isn't [ ] Losses reflect so well on Flash, perhaps more than his wins [ ] Drawn-out TvTs are a rarity [ ] when Flash cheeses and wins, it's a well-calculated, genius move [ ] Flash can only lose to cheese [ ] Ruby is top-line competition [ ] when Flash cheeses and fails, his opponent deserves no credit [ ] None of the above applies to Jaedong you forgot [ ] When flash loses a game, it's a build order loss | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5587 Posts
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
but whatever I like flash.  edit: also I'm disappointed you didn't make a "great had a great month" pun  | ||
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That loss vs stork was EPIC! Completely mined out the map, lol. God, that was a great game. I miss stork. 
