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On July 02 2010 00:18 snowdrift86 wrote:
The funny thing is that JD #1 wouldn't have been controversial. Everyone was willing to accept it. So this isn't a "controversial no matter what" decision. Plexa chose the most questionable option.
I'm inclined to disagree. Jaedong #1 would have been justifiable, but exactly like Plexa said, it would have been too early to ignore his 3-0 sweep against JD and his back to back dual finals appearance. Flash has definitely earned his spot at the top and I think it's sad that some people are so quick to take it away from him.
Although I'm a Flash fan, my opinion wouldn't be any different if any other people were in his shoes right now. Maybe Jaedong was dropped a little too quickly in the past, as some people argue, but even if that has been the case, it doesn't justify dropping Flash too quickly as well. Two wrongs don't make one right after all.
What this month has shown is a tendency. Let's see if it keeps going the same direction. I for one will take Flash's word for it that it won't.
Edit: Good PR btw.!
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Flash #1 over JD when Jaedong was 8-1 and Flash was <50%? Give me a break.
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Well, I can't say I didn't expect this.
I'm disappointed JD wasn't first, but not really upset. I just respectfully disagree with it.
Aside from that, very good power rank. 
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 02 2010 00:35 WWJDD wrote:
Plexa unveils the first every bi-monthly power rank to make up for a Flash slump.
Yet when Jaedong had a terrible month (tlpd stuff) he retained number 2 :O!?
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France2061 Posts
On July 02 2010 00:44 okum wrote:
Out to buy some popcorn for the incoming Flash antifan riot, brb.
FLASH FANBOY
[x] There's no such thing as Jaedong fans, only Flash antifans
[ ] If you disagree, you're a hater
[ ] A game vs foru is a free win, a game vs Backho in the guy's first appearance since his injury isn't
[ ] Losses reflect so well on Flash, perhaps more than his wins
[ ] Drawn-out TvTs are a rarity
[ ] when Flash cheeses and wins, it's a well-calculated, genius move
[ ] Flash can only lose to cheese
[ ] Ruby is top-line competition
[ ] when Flash cheeses and fails, his opponent deserves no credit
[ ] None of the above applies to Jaedong
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On July 02 2010 00:55 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 00:35 WWJDD wrote:
Plexa unveils the first every bi-monthly power rank to make up for a Flash slump. Yet when Jaedong had a terrible month ( tlpd stuff) he retained number 2 :O!?
Yeah, he was above 50%. 
And remember, the losses reflect quite a bit on the player.  That loss vs stork was EPIC! Completely mined out the map, lol. God, that was a great game. I miss stork. 
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Changing the evaluation method every month according to the writers' favourites doesn't seem so objective to me. Or PR is not supposed to be like it?
I want someone to explain why JD was dropped to #3 (while doing good in general not 50%) last month with the same forgiving logic by the guy who complains about his mouse with only 1 month playing good and iirc not even in the PR of the previous month.
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Looks a little silly after Effort cleaned house last night in Flash's MSL group...
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On July 02 2010 00:55 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 00:35 WWJDD wrote:
Plexa unveils the first every bi-monthly power rank to make up for a Flash slump. Yet when Jaedong had a terrible month ( tlpd stuff) he retained number 2 :O!?
But shouldn't #1 have higher standards?
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Whats up with all the rage?
Most flashfans were ready to accept Jaedong if he had been placed #1 for this month yes, but it's not really outrageous to let flash keep the spot one month.
It's not like flash got knocked out of anything special or that jaedong won anything special this month anyway.
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Ok, i new there will be many controvercies, i just not expected something like that! JD should be at #1 easy. And i dont even like JD. [ok, his play is often fun to watch]
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 02 2010 00:58 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2010 00:55 Plexa wrote:On July 02 2010 00:35 WWJDD wrote:
Plexa unveils the first every bi-monthly power rank to make up for a Flash slump. Yet when Jaedong had a terrible month ( tlpd stuff) he retained number 2 :O!? Yeah, he was above 50%. And remember, the losses reflect quite a bit on the player. That loss vs stork was EPIC! Completely mined out the map, lol. God, that was a great game. I miss stork. And if you recall, I commented that Jaedong would have won that game if it were played on any other map. Jaedong had pretty weak lineup that month, far weaker than Flash's this month.
On July 02 2010 00:59 12yearsofsc wrote:
Changing the evaluation method every month according to the writers' favourites doesn't seem so objective to me. Or PR is not supposed to be like it? As the above quote shows, I haven't changed the PR at all. Every player is still subject to the same criteria no matter what you jaedong fanboys want to believe. Indeed, as in the above example, Jaedong benefited from this in February - so it's not all a one way road here
I want someone to explain why JD was dropped to #3 (while doing good in general not 50%) last month with the same forgiving logic by the guy who complains about his mouse with only 1 month playing good and iirc not even in the PR of the previous month. Jaeondg had a relatively easy run in the MSL and got 0-3'd by Flash. Effort, on the other hand, had some good wins, a tougher (or at least comparable) run in the OSL but was able to defeat Flash (ending 4-2 for the month vs Flash). That's why effort got #2, and I think it was the right call.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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I wish we had access to those gangster odds-makers. Then we'd see what we're talking about here more clearly. If you guys follow power ranks for other sports, you'd understand pretty quickly what a power rank is, and how this one is pretty accurate. Flash #3 is a joke. He's still the scariest guy in the game. He dismantled Jaedong. He'd be the odds on favorite to beat anyone. A couple unfortunate losses doesn't change that - that's why you watch the games, not the numbers. If it was based on win-loss, what is the point of having a power rank, just look at the win-loss then.
This is supposed to be a qualitative ranking of how deadly the players are this month. That means, win/loss, how they played their games, how great their mechanics are looking, how great their decision-making, how great their build orders, how other gamers are preparing for them. All of this is added up to predict how "powerful they are" hence "power rank."
So, Flash being the 3rd most powerful guy in the game right now? Joke. Please buy a clue before posting.
Flash being the 2nd most powerful guy in the game right now? Maybe, and that's a big big big maybe. If I had to put my life savings on Flash winning a game or a series against one randomly chosen player picked out of a hat, or I had to put my life savings on Jaedong winning a game or series against one randomly chosen player picked out of a hat, I'd still probably throw that money on Flash, even with Jaedong's nice wins and Flash's losses. I don't discount the blip on Flash's record lately, but I'd be hard pressed to put him at 2 now without some more evidence next month, and to put him at 3 is just pure ignorance.
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On July 02 2010 01:02 StylishVODs wrote:
Whats up with all the rage?
Most flashfans were ready to accept Jaedong if he had been placed #1 for this month yes, but it's not really outrageous to let flash keep the spot one month.
It's not like flash got knocked out of anything special or that jaedong won anything special this month anyway.
I guess losses and wins from any regular matches that weren't "special" don't hold any value. Jaedong going 8-1, Flash going below 50% is still not a reason to put JD over Flash. Stylish, I really like your contribution toward Terrans but it's really time to put fanboyism aside
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Well, totally agreed with Plexa. Heartily accepted this month's PR. The decision is absolutely correct, completely sensible, utterly brilliant, mind-blowingly good. The judgement about spot 1 and 2 is mind-bogglingly flawless, magnificently perfect, unquestionably excellent and surely triple-awesome. The Gods in Olympus must be smiling upon Teamliquid now. Had Plexa made a different decision, Zeus would have unleashed his furious lightning bolts to punish us. Flash FTW.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm looking at you, Flash haters
Edit: Good PR.
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Good PR! The number one is a little controversial, but good decision imho.
I really don't get the rage...are you Jaedong fanboys really so desperate that you wanted to sneak your favorite player at first position after month when literally nothing important happened? Wait a month, we will see. For this month, Flash definitely deserved the benefit of doubt he got.
But for what I care, continue the crying as you want, some post are pretty funny...
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Before I go further, let me just say that I am inclined to say that I would have put Jaedong over Flash this month. But it's not the landslide difference that you people think there should be.
Flash is clearly one of the top two players in the world right now. He's shown a little vulnerability in TvT... but so what? If Flash played a bo5 against anyone, who would you expect to win? Maybe SkyHigh might bring Flash down, but SkyHigh is one of the greatest TvT snipers in history, so that leaves us where, exactly? There are people who can bring down Jaedong too. Flash killed Jaedong in the MSL finals and Baby killed Jaedong early on in the Ro36 of OSL last season.
On July 02 2010 00:18 snowdrift86 wrote:
lol
I'm not really surprised tbh, after reading your eye-opening anti-Effort screed that became a generalized anti-Zerg rant I knew what to expect in the future. The fact that there needs to be so many paragraphs to justify that choice is pretty telling.
I also like how the exact definition of the Power Rank changes in accordance with what's good for Flash. When Jaedong was having a bad Winners League, he dropped behind even Sea in the PR (in retrospect, another case of blatant favoritism), with arguments along the lines of, "this is the MONTHLY power rank, records matter." Now it's all about remembering how Flash dominated in the past months.
Oh really? How has the meaning of Power Rank been changed to suit Flash? Plexa has returned to the original meaning of Power Rank that Etter used when he first made it.
Power Rank is not about statistics alone. If you want statistics, go open up TLPD.
On July 02 2010 00:21 BPCoffee wrote:
Agreed. Even the deepest Flash fans like TwoToneTerran and Morality were willing to accept Flash as #2 if you look in the previous PR thread.
I think Plexa himself knows that he made a judgment error, but the PR is already set so what can we do.
Have you even read anything I wrote? Because if you did, you'd know that I was completely alone arguing why Flash was NOT the bonjwa at the beginning of last month.
Reading comprehension is, evidently, a very serious issue.
Now then.
For all you people who seem to think you know all about how the Power Rank should be run, let's go all the way back to the first ever Power Rank here:
On November 22 2006 08:48 DJEtterStyle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2006 07:52 CTStalker wrote:
I think you should compile the flames (posts and, if any, pms) and categorically mock them Oh, that's the plan. For now, however, I feel as if I have to clear up a glaring misconception regarding this feature: my personal opinions--as far as playstyle and entertainment value of a player--play a truly minimal role in how I rank the players. Obviously some bias is going to seep into the listing, because that's the nature of being, well, human, but I assure you that I am doing my best to give an objective list. I rank the players first; the snarky comments come later. I do, as I noted in the news post, examine much more than statistics. I look at what leagues those statistics came from, who was playing whom, what map was used, and my own assessment of the level of play. It's not science, by any means, but it should be pretty accurate. That said, let's consider the case of Ra. Many people claim that he doesn't deserve to be #9, and for now, I'll concede that point. But does he belong in the top 5? Not. A. Chance. Consider: he only advanced from his MSL group because Boxer joined the army. Otherwise, he was eliminated. He's not even in the OSL (and he didn't make the ODT this season, either), and KTF is an absolute joke in the Proleague this season. So are you really quibbling over whether he should be #6 or #9, or are you just angry over me not liking your favorite player? That is bias. I can concede that maybe some of you would rearrange the list a bit (Nada before Anytime, most notably) or add a particular player or swap one with the other. That's just the nature of something like this; differences will exist. But if you honestly see any glaring flaws, I would encourage you to do a bit more research into why you feel that way and, evidence existing, share those reasons with me.
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Jaeondg had a relatively easy run in the MSL and got 0-3'd by Flash. Effort, on the other hand, had some good wins, a tougher (or at least comparable) run in the OSL but was able to defeat Flash (ending 4-2 for the month vs Flash). That's why effort got #2, and I think it was the right call.
Not seeing it.
JD had to go through Baby, Hyuk, July, Hydra, Midas, Calm to get to the Finals.
Effort had to go through Firefist, Forgg, Shine, Go.go, Zero and Kal to get to the Finals. I don't see how Effort had a harder road to the OSL finals. In fact, Efforts road was significantly easier and he still managed to lose plenty of games along the way.
Zero and Kal have absolutely horrible records against top zergs. horrible as in terribad.
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I really don't see why Bisu is so behind in THIS month's Power Rank.. I mean he won Ace match for SKT.. He played like a beast in OSL & MSL qualifiers.. so what does he have to do more? He lost to Pusan & Stats .. ok.. but I mean really when Flash had a worse record, he can continue being #1 but pinpointing Bisu's.. really questionable.. I wouldn't see Bisu in Top 5, still.. but he deserved #6 or #7 IMO.
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