EPTPower Rank 07/02/2010 - Page 53
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
effort's 3-1 vs skt should definitely get him into the top 5 though, even with his loss to action. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
all T icons say Flash is no 1 all Z icons say JD is no 1 Plexa has a slight T bias JD`s force coming from last month is stronger (to take Plexa's own words) SUSPENSE | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Actually, this month I think the top 10 ELO is a very good indicator of top 10 PR, almost (but not quite) in that same order. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4822 Posts
On July 31 2010 20:52 Cpadolf wrote: I would probably still put Flash at #1 just because no one else did anything remarkable this month This reasoning only works if Flash earned his #1 last month instead of inheriting it from the previous month. Jaedong played much better than Flash last month, so it's Flash who would have to do something remarkable to claim #1 over JD this month. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On August 01 2010 02:20 Severedevil wrote: This reasoning only works if Flash earned his #1 last month instead of inheriting it from the previous month. Jaedong played much better than Flash last month, so it's Flash who would have to do something remarkable to claim #1 over JD this month. Actually I think Flash was given the benefit of a doubt last month because of his awesome play lately. A player is given the benefit of a doubt if he's done something remarkable, like Flash, and because losing a few games after that shouldn't drop him from the position of the best player because the "slump" is most likely for a only a few games which in this case was true. None of the games were actually important for him or the team. So this month is fair and square, meaning flash doesn't have to do anything "remarkable" to claim 1 and same goes for Jaedong. We just need to take a look at their games and decide whos the #1. Flash went 6-2 and jaedong went 11-4 playing alot more games, only because Flash didnt have to play because he already secured his and KT's spots. Flash still hasn't lost any important games. Kt is in the finals because of him and he's still winning everything in both leagues while reclaiming the #1 ELO spot so I'd say it's a pretty tough call even though I'd put Flash as #1 myself. Remember that Flash is the guy who's been to every finals for 4 consecutive starleagues now and by the looks of it he's going to be in the next two as well  | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
People don't give ZerO enough credit, I'm convinced he's has the best macro ZvP of any zerg- Jaedong included. He just has so much stuff and he's revolutionizing ZvP around his amazing macro. No one's really been discussing it but the popular JD style 5hatch hydra into muta and its variations have fallen from favor a bit. Many zergs are following Zero's example and getting a sixth hatchery super fast, faster than they have the extra money to do so, and playing a huge hydra/lurker/ling with 3 evo's lair game. All credit to stats for beating him this month (with the ever sexy sair/reaver/lot which is an amazingly strong build and the one I think will trend PvZ back but thats for another post) but that was an excellent game minus one huge tactical blunder. My point is ZerO is too good and too innovative to be left of the power rank another month. Did he put up outstanding results? no, but if anyone deserves points for game quality its him. He's revolutionizing ZvP and ZvZ and still plays sexy ZvT | ||
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Rinrun
Canada3509 Posts
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zmeqt
Bulgaria527 Posts
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
On July 31 2010 19:49 Iplaythings wrote: You make it sound like Zero did a mistake. He did the singlemost best thing I seen vs mech in a long fucking time, he DEMOLISHED flashs tankline over and over and over. The south was defend by 8 or so tanks, mines and gazillions on turrets, wouldnt work. Actually the main point why progammers SHOULDNT go air vs flash in that situation is that they cant get to that Ultralingdrop phase which ALLMOST broke flashs back. I mean, if Flash didnt send 3 vultures to zeros expo he wouldve been toast. If anything that game was credit to both of the players than anything else, flash showed rocksolid mech and zero showing the zvt he troubles flash with over and over. Also tell me what Zero couldve done better, as you said yourself, zero does best in midlategame (where he has slain flash before) >_> <_< Before posting further I am gonna retwatch the game, because your normally see stuff afterwards whcih you dont see live (why vods are that awesum <3) After Zero's first drop, Flash was onto what Zero was doing, and was able to kill several ovies the next couple drops, which greatly reduced their effectiveness. I'm not downplaying Zero's play at all, I thought it was fantastic. Think however, what would've happened had he plagued the buildings in the south, or did several 2 pronged attacks in the later game, especially when Flash was trying to secure 1 o' clock. Zero's play was sublime no doubt, but he should've changed his focus after that first or second drop, because by then Flash had caught on to Zero. That's what I think anyway. Personally I think less commitment to the drops after the first or second one, multi pronged attacks, and plague would've have turned that game for Zero. With that said, I'm making all these assumptions on one viewing of the game live, I haven't gone back an rewatched the VOD, so i might've missed something.  | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 01 2010 02:40 StylishVODs wrote: Actually I think Flash was given the benefit of a doubt last month because of his awesome play lately. A player is given the benefit of a doubt if he's done something remarkable, like Flash, and because losing a few games after that shouldn't drop him from the position of the best player because the "slump" is most likely for a only a few games which in this case was true. None of the games were actually important for him or the team. So this month is fair and square, meaning flash doesn't have to do anything "remarkable" to claim 1 and same goes for Jaedong. We just need to take a look at their games and decide whos the #1. Flash went 6-2 and jaedong went 11-4 playing alot more games, only because Flash didnt have to play because he already secured his and KT's spots. Flash still hasn't lost any important games. Kt is in the finals because of him and he's still winning everything in both leagues while reclaiming the #1 ELO spot so I'd say it's a pretty tough call even though I'd put Flash as #1 myself. Remember that Flash is the guy who's been to every finals for 4 consecutive starleagues now and by the looks of it he's going to be in the next two as well Jaedong has done something pretty remarkable though: an epic winning record. Flash hasn't beaten anyone good this month except Zero(in fact, he lost to Light and Effort). Violet x2 and Turn being the only wins aren't good enough for #1. Even though Jaedong lost a few games he shouldn't have(read: pure mutas vs Sea), his month has been epic. He dominated protoss(see vs Han and vs Britney), and his only losses were really nothing too much to worry about(the game vs Bisu was really close, and Bisu has S class PvZ anyway, vs s2 was a small mistake that cost him some mutas, vs Kal was a timing attack before hive was up. vs Sea he just tried too hard with mutas and failed.) 1 month back I can understand(although still it's questionable), but judge someone by how they were doing 2 months ago and PR will pretty much become a second KeSPA rank. Not that his previous successes should be forgotten, but that's why he gets #2. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4716 Posts
Flash played a horribe game against Light, but played up to his standards in the rest of his games, the highlight being his match vs Zer0 which was disgusting and beautiful at the same time. Since Flash was #1, I don't think Jaedong has done enough to overtake him or to frame it differently, Flash hasn't given us enough reason to drop him. Basically a combination of these things. #1  Flash#2  Jaedong#3 EffOrt#4 Fantasy #5 Sea#6  Bisu#7-#10 Stork, HiyA, Best, Light | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5570 Posts
On August 01 2010 09:47 Malinor wrote: Jaedong is still winning a lot, but is playing quite sloppy sometimes. Going 0-2 vs SK didn't matter in the end since the other teams just won their games and therefore Oz could not have qualified anyway (It's pretty similar to Flashs ACE matches last month). His loss vs Sea however hurt his #1 campaign. Flash played a horribe game against Light, but played up to his standards in the rest of his games, the highlight being his match vs Zer0 which was disgusting and beautiful at the same time. Since Flash was #1, I don't think Jaedong has done enough to overtake him or to frame it differently, Flash hasn't given us enough reason to drop him. Basically a combination of these things. #1 Flash#2 Jaedong#3 EffOrt#4 Fantasy #5 Sea#6 Bisu#7-#10 Stork, HiyA, Best, LightThere are some problems with your logic imo. First you say that neither Flash nor Jaedongs losses in PL matters because OZ wouldn't have qualified anyway and KT was still #1 in the end. But this will probably happen with Jaedong's loss to Sea - so how can you be sure that this game counts? And then you say that Flash should stay at #1, not because he has been playing better than Jaedong, but because he already is #1 in the PR. This is misleading since Flash got the #1 spot for free last month; you can't use that as an argument to keep him there this month. It's like you're saying in a way "Flash is the best player in the world because he is #1 on the PR. Flash should be #1 on the PR because he is the best player in the world". Since Jaedong played much better than Flash last month, it should be Flash who gets to prove something this month, not Jaedong. But I don't think it is an easy question anyway. Flash has been playing really well in the end of this month and Jaedong has been sloppy recently. I still would put Jaedong before Flash though because Flash still isn't back (or so it seams) in TvT. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
As for Zero, I like him and I think of the top rated Zerg players he is the most underrated, but this hasn't been a good month for him, dropping out of MSL and losing his first OSL game. Yes his ZvT and ZvP are both very powerful, but neither were able to carry him through this month and his ZvZ has a bad track record. I can't see him as anything more than CBNC. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On August 01 2010 11:18 Mortality wrote: I said several pages back that if JD flubbed his last game and Flash didn't, I'd give it to Flash. (Note that I said this before the games were played.) So to be consistent with my word, I'd keep Flash as #1. It's not a terribly easy choice because Flash hasn't played many games and the ones he has played aren't very telling -- both the wins and the losses. Most of the "analysis" people are giving of these games reflect heavy biases as well. IMO, this doesn't mean anything. If I said that if NaDa should be #1 if he gets his 100th PL win, it doesn't mean anything. It may not be a particularly easy choice since JD kinda failed an all-in vs Sea, but he's been playing better than Flash for the most part. If Flash plays like he did vs Zero for a month, he'll deserve #1(and a shitton of hate). But 2 months in a row of considerably worse results than JD doesn't make him deserve #1. And you are not without your bias my terran icon bearing friend. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 01 2010 11:18 Mortality wrote: I said several pages back that if JD flubbed his last game and Flash didn't, I'd give it to Flash. (Note that I said this before the games were played.) So to be consistent with my word, I'd keep Flash as #1. It's not a terribly easy choice because Flash hasn't played many games and the ones he has played aren't very telling -- both the wins and the losses. Most of the "analysis" people are giving of these games reflect heavy biases as well. Coming from probably the most biased poster in the thread(after Stylish), that's pretty... interesting. None of that really matters, anyway. Since one make a point for both Flash and JD being #1, Flash will be #1. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7212 Posts
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