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On November 24 2009 21:12 t_co wrote:Wemade vs KT PL spoiler: + Show Spoiler +Violet deserves a low spot on the PL next month IMHO. 6-0 in proleague and just overcame Mind map imba in a sick sick game. At twenty minutes in, he was in this situation: one of his bases got emp'd and nuked (rather cost-effectively i must say) while the other was harassed to death and his fourth was getting pushed on. Solution? 3 cannons and 4 goons clear out 15 vultures, abandon 7 o clock ground zero spot, and stasis 9 tanks and storm 5 more to crush the push with a numerically even army. That is Flash-level decision making and nerves.
+ Show Spoiler +Before his wicked comeback, I think he played pretty sloppily this game, losing stuff to mines over and over. That said, Violet is a powerful player, undefeated in PL and certainly worth considering for the PR. Him being sent for the ace match over Flash is a testament to his quality.
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Violet is one of my favorite players, but without a msl or osl appearance its gonna be hard to give him anything more then cnbc. Which he really should get imo.
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On November 24 2009 14:11 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2009 21:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 23 2009 20:43 Tyxiquale wrote:
sangho is good? No Don't knock Sangho, in his game against Jaedong he was taking out like two scourges with every corsair he produced. That's some sexy micro.
Pretty good strat, he kept the scourge number low so JD had less scouting info. I didnt even realize how genious that move was.
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On November 25 2009 03:11 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2009 14:11 Djabanete wrote:On November 23 2009 21:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 23 2009 20:43 Tyxiquale wrote:
sangho is good? No Don't knock Sangho, in his game against Jaedong he was taking out like two scourges with every corsair he produced. That's some sexy micro. Pretty good strat, he kept the scourge number low so JD had less scouting info. I didnt even realize how genious that move was.
Yeah, too bad JD had double that amount of mutalisks to rape him with.
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Flash looks like #1 again next month unless he somehow loses his MSL group (not damn likely considering he's only got T and Z in there with him). Only one loss in the past 2 months (14-1 record so far), and may very well break the all-time ELO peak record if he wins his game against Hite and 2-0s his MSL group.
ZerO deserves a spot on PR too, he's 8-1 this month, his only loss being against Effort.
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Problem with predicting Flash to stomp: He's got to play hite and his MSL group on the same day AGAIN. I'm really tired of Flash getting the ass end of scheduling, requiring him to play ATLEAST 3 games and having to practice for five or six.
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On November 23 2009 10:05 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2009 07:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 22 2009 09:18 arcology wrote:
Poor power ranking, Bisu loses only one Bo3 for the month you put him at 5th, when he remains closely tied for 1st ELO rated and has been for a long time. Jaedong drops to 4th ELO rated and plays mediocre and you put him at 2nd? What a joke It has everything to do with how they looked in their games. Jaedong is a recent golden mouse winner, it's gonna take a bit to push him down. Bisu didn't accomplish anything incredible in individual leagues last season and has played poorly in Proleague. ELO/KESPA Rank are things I doubt riptide takes into heavy consideration. It's fine to disagree, but insulting people who put hard work into contributing to TL is a douche move. If you put in 1/16th of the effort riptide does into making TL a great community maybe someone would take you seriously. I'd say most of the 5th place is due to the best-of-3 loss against a previously unheralded Zerg in what is/was supposed to be Bisu's best match up. Bisu hasn't played poorly in PL: he's 5-1 and was 4-0 when the rank was published, although the only good player he'd faced was SangHo.
Bisu's loss to Shine should be viewed as a complete and utter failure to defeat a zerg who is relatively unskilled past his savage mutalisk micro. this is not an opponent most Protoss players, and especially Bisu, should lose to. there's a ton of these zergs around these days, too.
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On November 11 2009 00:53 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote:On November 10 2009 09:01 tree.hugger wrote:From last night: - I'm glad that a sublimely terrible player like Justin was the one to expose  Calm as overrated. How, precisely, does a single loss to anyone short of Juni prove that a player is over-rated? For what it's worth, Justin is 2-0 on the Proleague year. Granted PianO's TvT is less than spectacular - still! Calm's in both leagues, and probably one of the favorites. I could make similar comments about "Oh lord Bisu lost to Luxury, overrated." At least (unlike Lux's ZvP) Justin's TvZ is his best MU. Oh, I'm biased. But I do think a little difference is that we know what  Bisu is capable of, so we say that he's slumping. While I actually do like Calm, I found his MSL run to be absurdly uninspiring, and his proleague finals performance to be abysmal. But I feel as though I'm the only person on the planet who sees the truth. I just am never impressed by Calm's play. That said,  Justin IS terrible. EDIT: And Calm might be the smartest player in BW.
calm is ridiculously skilled, but he always uses hit-or-miss allin builds. sometimes he looks like total and complete shit, but a lot of the time his snap decision making and unit control are sublime. this has been calm's deal since he debuted, if anyone doesn't know about it they just haven't paid attention 
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On November 26 2009 03:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:53 tree.hugger wrote:On November 10 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote:On November 10 2009 09:01 tree.hugger wrote:From last night: - I'm glad that a sublimely terrible player like Justin was the one to expose Calm as overrated. How, precisely, does a single loss to anyone short of Juni prove that a player is over-rated? For what it's worth, Justin is 2-0 on the Proleague year. Granted PianO's TvT is less than spectacular - still! Calm's in both leagues, and probably one of the favorites. I could make similar comments about "Oh lord Bisu lost to Luxury, overrated." At least (unlike Lux's ZvP) Justin's TvZ is his best MU. Oh, I'm biased. But I do think a little difference is that we know what Bisu is capable of, so we say that he's slumping. While I actually do like Calm, I found his MSL run to be absurdly uninspiring, and his proleague finals performance to be abysmal. But I feel as though I'm the only person on the planet who sees the truth. I just am never impressed by Calm's play. That said, Justin IS terrible. EDIT: And Calm might be the smartest player in BW. calm is ridiculously skilled, but he always uses hit-or-miss allin builds. sometimes he looks like total and complete shit, but a lot of the time his snap decision making and unit control are sublime. this has been calm's deal since he debuted, if anyone doesn't know about it they just haven't paid attention
And he looked absolutely out-of-sorts last night...
No, I agree that Calm is skilled (clearly to win an MSL you must be incredibly skilled), but I see everything except for his planning to be a shade below that of Jaedong and then EffOrt who I view as the two best zergs in the game right now.
It bothers me a bit, because I never see Calm as a sure thing in any of his games- whereas I see the other two as almost auto-wins in proleague. Also, Calm's embarrassing loss to scourge in the proleague playoffs against great have left a sour taste in my mouth for Calm's reaction timing.
At this point though- Calm's month has not been good at all- so I would expect him to fall to the back five. But I have no idea where Riptide will put him, because I did not understand this last rank at all. To each, his own.
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On November 26 2009 03:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:53 tree.hugger wrote:On November 10 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote:On November 10 2009 09:01 tree.hugger wrote:From last night: - I'm glad that a sublimely terrible player like Justin was the one to expose Calm as overrated. How, precisely, does a single loss to anyone short of Juni prove that a player is over-rated? For what it's worth, Justin is 2-0 on the Proleague year. Granted PianO's TvT is less than spectacular - still! Calm's in both leagues, and probably one of the favorites. I could make similar comments about "Oh lord Bisu lost to Luxury, overrated." At least (unlike Lux's ZvP) Justin's TvZ is his best MU. Oh, I'm biased. But I do think a little difference is that we know what Bisu is capable of, so we say that he's slumping. While I actually do like Calm, I found his MSL run to be absurdly uninspiring, and his proleague finals performance to be abysmal. But I feel as though I'm the only person on the planet who sees the truth. I just am never impressed by Calm's play. That said, Justin IS terrible. EDIT: And Calm might be the smartest player in BW. calm is ridiculously skilled, but he always uses hit-or-miss allin builds. sometimes he looks like total and complete shit, but a lot of the time his snap decision making and unit control are sublime. this has been calm's deal since he debuted, if anyone doesn't know about it they just haven't paid attention
So you're saying that Calm is Luxury.
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On November 26 2009 05:05 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2009 03:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On November 11 2009 00:53 tree.hugger wrote:On November 10 2009 22:07 Musoeun wrote:On November 10 2009 09:01 tree.hugger wrote:From last night: - I'm glad that a sublimely terrible player like Justin was the one to expose Calm as overrated. How, precisely, does a single loss to anyone short of Juni prove that a player is over-rated? For what it's worth, Justin is 2-0 on the Proleague year. Granted PianO's TvT is less than spectacular - still! Calm's in both leagues, and probably one of the favorites. I could make similar comments about "Oh lord Bisu lost to Luxury, overrated." At least (unlike Lux's ZvP) Justin's TvZ is his best MU. Oh, I'm biased. But I do think a little difference is that we know what Bisu is capable of, so we say that he's slumping. While I actually do like Calm, I found his MSL run to be absurdly uninspiring, and his proleague finals performance to be abysmal. But I feel as though I'm the only person on the planet who sees the truth. I just am never impressed by Calm's play. That said, Justin IS terrible. EDIT: And Calm might be the smartest player in BW. calm is ridiculously skilled, but he always uses hit-or-miss allin builds. sometimes he looks like total and complete shit, but a lot of the time his snap decision making and unit control are sublime. this has been calm's deal since he debuted, if anyone doesn't know about it they just haven't paid attention So you're saying that Calm is Luxury.
Wow, those are two players that I never would have thought of as being similar. Calm will outsmart you with a well-prepared build, whereas Luxury will just outballs you and outmicro you.
Personal preference: I like Luxury's style more, but Calm certainly has a lot of skill. I'll respect anyone who's won an individual league 
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On November 26 2009 00:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Problem with predicting Flash to stomp: He's got to play hite and his MSL group on the same day AGAIN. I'm really tired of Flash getting the ass end of scheduling, requiring him to play ATLEAST 3 games and having to practice for five or six.
Atleast he might not have to play in a possible acematch. Violet is doing ok.
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Looks like we'll have Flash as #1 and JD as #2 again, Stork or Effort should get #3 (atm Stork is the clear favourite). As a JD fan I would be satisfied.
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On November 26 2009 05:54 SuperArc wrote:Looks like we'll have Flash as #1 and JD as #2 again, Stork or Effort should get #3 (atm Stork is the clear favourite). As a JD fan I would be satisfied. JD won Bisu and Stork in Bo3s, and who won Flash this month?..
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Best, but then Best proceeded to do nothing and Flash continued to rape, so.
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best is a natural counter to flash so thats ok, flash had another good month except that 1 loss wich can happen.
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On November 26 2009 06:16 nonduc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2009 05:54 SuperArc wrote:Looks like we'll have Flash as #1 and JD as #2 again, Stork or Effort should get #3 (atm Stork is the clear favourite). As a JD fan I would be satisfied. JD won Bisu and Stork in Bo3s, and who won Flash this month?..
3-0 Fantasy (2-0 were in Asian indoor games search AIG and you can find the thread), and Mind. He also has 3 more games to go (although it could be 5 if he loses an MSL game, as well as playing in the Ace Match). I am working under the assumption he will play proleague.
About how important the AIG was, it is defiantly less important than WCG, but there is no reason to believe (to my knowledge) Fantasy didn't try his best those games.
Also Jaedong dropped a game to a foreigner (A2/advokote/??? I get Russian Terran confused), which has to be taken into account.
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On November 26 2009 10:10 wswordsmen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2009 06:16 nonduc wrote:On November 26 2009 05:54 SuperArc wrote:Looks like we'll have Flash as #1 and JD as #2 again, Stork or Effort should get #3 (atm Stork is the clear favourite). As a JD fan I would be satisfied. JD won Bisu and Stork in Bo3s, and who won Flash this month?.. 3-0 Fantasy (2-0 were in Asian indoor games search AIG and you can find the thread), and Mind. He also has 3 more games to go (although it could be 5 if he loses an MSL game, as well as playing in the Ace Match). I am working under the assumption he will play proleague. About how important the AIG was, it is defiantly less important than WCG, but there is no reason to believe (to my knowledge) Fantasy didn't try his best those games. Also Jaedong dropped a game to a foreigner (A2/advokote/??? I get Russian Terran confused), which has to be taken into account.
Statistics mean a lot less than you think they do. Competition is fierce, dropping a game to a foreigner isn't a big deal. Jaedong is still a brilliant player and one of the best. As we progress through the starleagues, we'll get a better idea of who the best are. Not by looking at their statistics, but at their gameplay
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Well, Flash is still kind of 14-1 with better gameplay than Jaedong the majority of the time, if you want to get finnicky.
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Well, Flash still hasn't played any good PvTs lately, just putting that out there.
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