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The Highlander - Ro32/16 Results & Reps
July 27th, 2009 11:30 GMT
Image thanks to Xeofreestyler
Over the weekend the Round of 32 and Round of 16 of the Highlander were played out. Only two rounds into the tournament and there are already many upsets and surprises. Many players stepped up their game to a new level and brought us some very good games - all of which are available for download in replay form. There are no games this weekend since WCG Germany is taking place - so instead we are going to bring to you a cast of the best games of the Ro32 and Ro16. More details about that to come!
So let's dig right in. Assuming you read the front page (you did, right?) then you will know that this post is going to spoil the results of the weekend's games. And so here we go! (retreat now if you don't want to be spoiled - just skip to the bottom for reps)
You can also view the bracket here
As you can probably see, there are quite a number of replacements which happened. If I try to form a complete list I'm bound to forget people, but some of the more surprising drop outs were Valor finalist Fenix and SC2GG finalist Yayba (who qualified for this via the prelim tournament). As such we got a number of excellent replacements for the drop outs such as Haypro, Xiaozi and Sarens. (There are others as well).
The Round of 32 was light on the upsets, but boy were we surprised! Many players stepped up their games and fought hard close battles with some of the titans of this tournament. Aerials fought an incredibly close series with Dreiven, Machine took it to JF, Dimaga almost knocked out Idra and Lz took a game off ret. There are many ggs in that lot so be sure to check them out.
Then came the Round of 16... Some of the games in here have been deferred to a later date for one reason or another. Idra vs Castro is being played soon and Mondragon vs White-Ra is also going to happen in a few days. Despite this, the Round of 16 features what will probably be the upset of the tournament. Horror defeated ret 2-1. Ret exits the tournament empty handed and Horror advances.
Let that sink in for a little while.
No discredit to Horror, but ret was a heavy favorite to reach the finals, or at least the semifinals and to lose at this stage is nothing short of shocking. The rest of the Round of 16 has been of high caliber, but no overly surprising results. The remaining matches feature some of the tournament heavyweights and if Castro manages to steal the series from Idra (he's not feeling too well as far as I know), this tournament has been flung wide open for anyone.
What we do know, however, is that the Ro8 is set to be sick. JF goes up against Brat_OK in a TSL rematch (and Liquibition rematch). The series is a Bo5 so look forward to seeing another closely fought series between two amazing players. After sniping the ZvT master ret, Horror looks to be a dangerous weapon. He runs up against Dinot in the Round of 8 (who thoroughly destroyed Strelok in the Ro32) and that also promises to be a very interesting series. There is a $1020 first prize, probably the largest prize all year, so you can be sure that these guys will be giving it their all.
Obviously, with this many replacements the Bracket Contest cannot be run fairly anymore (not that anyone would have picked these results anyway!). Hence a new contest will be run and details about that will be released in the coming days. Remember to check out the weekend's cast, which I will be nagging you all about later in the week.
Oh and by the way.
Here is the rep pack (in case you missed it on the front page - now updated to include idra vs castro)
Here is Idra vs Castro in case you downloaded the old pack and just want these games
G5 vs White-Ra and Kolll vs Sarens are currently missing, when I track them down I will make the appropriate updates to the pack.
Stay tuned for further updates over the course of the week!
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Awesome, looking forward to more games!
DLing the replay package now, thanks!
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Ret D;
Thanks for the update and reps! Keep it coming.
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y do they let  IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments?
isnt it obvious that he is whole another class?
whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit?
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I saw the ret - horror results and couldn't believe my eyes. :o
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this will keep me busy for a while 
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On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit?
cause hes not korean
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit?
Because if you've followed his games you would know that he has come extremely close to being eliminated in the past (e.g vs castro, brat_ok). In addition to that, Idra's condition is no different to when Mondi was in his prime, or JF, or any other good foreigner for that matter.
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God dam this tournement is stacked with good player. Can wait to watch the rep
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Considering replacements I have done pretty well on my pics. I have one whole side of the bracket correct up to this point! and the other.. well thanks ret lawl
EDIT: So to clarify the whole win $100 for the closest thing is out of the window?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On July 27 2009 21:16 Quiteconfuzd wrote:
Considering replacements I have done pretty well on my pics. I have one whole side of the bracket correct up to this point! and the other.. well thanks ret lawl
EDIT: So to clarify the whole win $100 for the closest thing is out of the window?
Probably, there were way too many replacements =/
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On July 27 2009 21:02 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Because if you've followed his games you would know that he has come extremely close to being eliminated in the past (e.g vs castro, brat_ok). In addition to that, Idra's condition is no different to when Mondi was in his prime, or JF, or any other good foreigner for that matter.
Well, that is just not true. JF or Mondi were never paid to play 10+ hours / day with real progamers and with support of a real coach as far as I know. I have to agree with Heimatloser here. My oppinion is that the days of his amateur tournament should have been over in the moment of his first televised game.
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On July 27 2009 21:19 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 21:16 Quiteconfuzd wrote:
Considering replacements I have done pretty well on my pics. I have one whole side of the bracket correct up to this point! and the other.. well thanks ret lawl
EDIT: So to clarify the whole win $100 for the closest thing is out of the window? Probably, there were way too many replacements =/
Gawd darn it... Well I'm gonna keep following my picks and see how they go. I had Iefnaj v Brat_OK (not the toughest pick i suppose), I also picked Mondregan to win his first game and come up against White-Ra. Incase your wondering I also picked Tarson to play the winner of that match.... makes a change I got something right in picks haha.
BTW hows things bro? You overseas or back in NZ nowadays?
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reps are one of the best parts of these types of tournaments, thanks for providing them!
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lol and they used to say how Idra would never win anything, ohhhh the irony!
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On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit?
EDIT: I'm dumb, and can't tell zerg players apart, apparently.
--oberon
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On July 27 2009 21:49 oberon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Let's say he beats Castro...that would set him up to play ToT)Xiaozi. You may recognize that name as the fellow who whumped Idra during a TeamLiquid sponsored event relatively recently. Not to underestimate Idra, who's clearly *a* favorite...just perhaps not *the* favorite... --oberon
you mean the guy who ling allined me in the tournament that i then eliminated him from?
he whumped me good and hard all right
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Oh the Mana vs Enivid games where sick good p-p games!
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On July 27 2009 21:53 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 21:49 oberon wrote:On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Let's say he beats Castro...that would set him up to play ToT)Xiaozi. You may recognize that name as the fellow who whumped Idra during a TeamLiquid sponsored event relatively recently. Not to underestimate Idra, who's clearly *a* favorite...just perhaps not *the* favorite... --oberon you mean the guy who ling allined me in the tournament that i then eliminated him from? he whumped me good and hard all right
are you seriously gonna fight with these kids? be serious for gods sake
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Too bad because of drop-outs the "Bracket contest" is not valid anymore but oh well... we will do new one
btw. about: "G5 vs White-Ra and Kolll vs Sarens" replays...they do have it right? Because I remember that if replays are not saved there would be problems with declaring a winner or something.
Keep up the good work, looking forward to "Bracket contest" and more great replays.
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wow, my bracket guessing was HORRIBLE haha I think I had like 6 first-round mistakes. Kinda glad the contest is not valid anymore =]
I will def watch all these replays tonight!
Incontrol deserves a big thumbs up for putting this together and dealing with all the shit noshows.
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On forte if you're 5 the geysers in main and nat is below your hatch/cc/nexus and on the right meaning the person playing on these positions have to mine gas with 4 peons where their build timings will be thrown off. And should really hurt zerg considering how gas heavy zvt is.
I think ret was talking about that in his game how when his mutas came out he only had 600 gas.
It seemed both koll and ret were rather displeased with forte.
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^^^^ Yes, Forte struck me as a "wtf" map too. Why is it being used?
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Forte is Forte and crying about the map isnt really intelligent since at least ret is "oldschool" so he had to know it, so he was able to change his style :o.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Before 2 months ago: Idra is noob he will never accomplish anything toilet terran noob BM.
Now: Idra imba, ban him from tournaments
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On July 27 2009 21:02 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Because if you've followed his games you would know that he has come extremely close to being eliminated in the past (e.g vs castro, brat_ok). In addition to that, Idra's condition is no different to when Mondi was in his prime, or JF, or any other good foreigner for that matter.
there is a huuuge difference. Idra is a professional gamer and neither Mondi or JF were ever professional gamers. its simply pathetic that a professional (licenced?) player is taking part in amateur leagues.
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how is it pathetic?
Regardless of what you think idra brings a lot of attention in the leagues he plays. Whether its to cheer him on or see him lose. Whether its to hear his interviews or see him bm. Hes almost like fbh. You take out idra. You take out half the watchers.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
yes forte is a shit map but i lost cause i had a brainfreeze and forgot to build a sunken on colo (#1 rule of the map vs wallin?!) 
ive been rly sick for 4 days, dont wanna make any excuses but i wasnt in good condition when playing this :S (and still am not t.t)
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On July 27 2009 21:02 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? cause hes not korean
yeeea, not yet.
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On July 27 2009 22:55 ret wrote:yes forte is a shit map but i lost cause i had a brainfreeze and forgot to build a sunken on colo (#1 rule of the map vs wallin?!) ive been rly sick for 4 days, dont wanna make any excuses but i wasnt in good condition when playing this :S (and still am not t.t)
Did you think he was going bio? In the first game he went this fast +1weap build where he doesnt pump rines until he adds his raxes. Did you think he was doing the same buiild?
looking forward to castro vs idra and koll vs saren when they get up
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Those reps belong to me now... My precious reps... he he >
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I had pretty decent picks in the bracket content even with the drop outs. Good to see some Canadians advancing. Sad to see Shauni out in the first round but at least he lost to Canadian sub Xiaozi!
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United States12607 Posts
Impressive from JF...looks like he's getting back into shape!
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On July 27 2009 22:52 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2009 21:02 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Because if you've followed his games you would know that he has come extremely close to being eliminated in the past (e.g vs castro, brat_ok). In addition to that, Idra's condition is no different to when Mondi was in his prime, or JF, or any other good foreigner for that matter. there is a huuuge difference. Idra is a professional gamer and neither Mondi or JF were ever professional gamers. its simply pathetic that a professional (licenced?) player is taking part in amateur leagues.
I agree with you, there is a huuuge difference between someone who makes a living from SC and trains with the best of them for 13h/day. However, Idra has been a member of the TL community for a long time. He still posts here and is more accessible than any other pro player to the TL people. I would personally find it odd to suddenly exclude him from tourneys just because he won a couple of them in the past few months. In fact I look forward to seeing more of his games.
More importantly, the Highlander is a tourney managed by Incontrol and others, using private donations. It doesn't have to meet anyone's particular definition of "amateur" or "foreign", the organizers simply have to make a judgement call as to who gets invited / is allowed to play. The donors trusted them to make the right decisions, and so far I think they have done a fantastic job!
On July 27 2009 22:55 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Hes almost like fbh. You take out idra. You take out half the watchers.
You can't seriously argue that FBH and/or Idra are responsible for anywhere near 50% of viewers. No single player is or ever has been that important.
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I really like the third ret-Horror game, I've never really seen something like that, very entertaining...
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On July 27 2009 22:46 motbob wrote:
Before 2 months ago: Idra is noob he will never accomplish anything toilet terran noob BM.
Now: Idra imba, ban him from tournaments
Lol yea i been noticing the trend.
Thanks for replays, as this should be entertaining to watch.
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of course theres no way to measure it but you have to admit he attracts attention
and one person can be that important
my first live game boxer vs ra
no seats i had to stand up. The game finishes half the crowd leaves.
On July 27 2009 23:49 arctics86 wrote:
I really like the third ret-Horror game, I've never really seen something like that, very entertaining...
no it wasnt;;
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On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit?
???
I expected Idra to be knocked out the first round, and from the sound of it was almost correct. You say hes a much greater class than these guys, but have you seen him become successful in that 'class'? No. He belongs playing at this level of play o.O
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ret vs lz
didnt know it was rvr
boo
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DLing the reps, thanks for running this (:
It's great to see things run BY PLAYERS, so there is no bullshit.
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On July 27 2009 23:48 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 22:52 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2009 21:02 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Because if you've followed his games you would know that he has come extremely close to being eliminated in the past (e.g vs castro, brat_ok). In addition to that, Idra's condition is no different to when Mondi was in his prime, or JF, or any other good foreigner for that matter. there is a huuuge difference. Idra is a professional gamer and neither Mondi or JF were ever professional gamers. its simply pathetic that a professional (licenced?) player is taking part in amateur leagues. I agree with you, there is a huuuge difference between someone who makes a living from SC and trains with the best of them for 13h/day. However, Idra has been a member of the TL community for a long time. He still posts here and is more accessible than any other pro player to the TL people. I would personally find it odd to suddenly exclude him from tourneys just because he won a couple of them in the past few months. In fact I look forward to seeing more of his games. More importantly, the Highlander is a tourney managed by Incontrol and others, using private donations. It doesn't have to meet anyone's particular definition of "amateur" or "foreign", the organizers simply have to make a judgement call as to who gets invited / is allowed to play. The donors trusted them to make the right decisions, and so far I think they have done a fantastic job! Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 22:55 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Hes almost like fbh. You take out idra. You take out half the watchers. You can't seriously argue that FBH and/or Idra are responsible for anywhere near 50% of viewers. No single player is or ever has been that important.
except for BoxeR, but he clearly doesn't matter...
more importantly, this is a foreign tournament. if there were more pro foreign gamers, i'm sure they'd be in it too, and what does it really matter if IdrA is professional or not? There are players in the tournament more than capable of beating him, as well as players who could pull an upset. anything can happen in Starcraft which is why it's a great game, look at ret getting knocked out so early. and why anyone wouldn't want the best players possible in any tournament (foreign or otherwise) is beyond me.
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On July 28 2009 00:29 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? ??? I expected Idra to be knocked out the first round, and from the sound of it was almost correct. You say hes a much greater class than these guys, but have you seen him become successful in that 'class'? No. He belongs playing at this level of play o.O
He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass.
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"He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass."
He will not win this tournament. And just because something is "foreign" doesn't make him outclass others. Hes not playing against the pros.
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On July 28 2009 00:41 jeremycafe wrote:
"He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass."
He will not win this tournament. And just because something is "foreign" doesn't make him outclass others. Hes not playing against the pros.
???
There is no way you can say with any certainty that he will not win this tournament. If I remember correctly he won both the ASL and Valor, as well as other things, beating many of the players in this tournament. No, just because something is "foreign" doesn't mean he is on another level altogether, but he is probably the best foreigner right now, and even the best drop games and series to others that are not thought to be as good, both in the pro and foreign scene. Also, he has been playing pros for over a year now, so I don't know what you are talking about. If you meant in this tournament, then yes, he is not playing pros - but like I said, he has already shown that he can beat foreign players by winning both ASL and Valor.
Stop being blinded by your hate or whatever.
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wow. Dreiven vs Aerials game 3, THAT is what I miss about SC. Games with jaw-dropping micro, not 50 minute lategame macrofests that are boring as hell..
I wont spoil it, just saying watch that game, thats fuckin unreal.
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A game I recommend (probably only for those who like the build) :
Dinot vs Strelok on Heartbreak Ridge
+ Show Spoiler +who says only Jaedong can micro two groups of mutas??
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
thanks for the nice comments guys
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I think the maps were abit harsh on zergs lol esp that Neo Forte map. wow.
And BRAT_OK = best vulture micro outside korea yesyes??
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Definitely some surprising results in the brackets so far. I didn't expect Squall to take down Fenix only to then lose to Tarson, makes me wonder if his ZvP is significantly better than his ZvT or something, and I'm pretty impressed Dinot beat both Strelok and Mana (and ofc Ret losing to Horror). DL'ing the rep pack now.
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All i gotta say is poor deska lol
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Mana sure likes his cheese though haha.
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The Dreiven vs Aerials matchs are funny as hell. They kind of make Dreiven look like a bit of an ass hat lol.
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On July 28 2009 03:35 InToTheWannaB wrote:
The Dreiven vs Aerials matchs are funny as hell. They kind of make Dreiven look like a bit of an ass hat lol.
Why is he an asshat otherwise?
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51397 Posts
any reason why in naruto vs (forgot) that they used forte 1.0 rather than neo forte 2.1?
and in the brat_ok games, it was old gaema gowon rather than sin gaema gowon? pretty unfair since old gaema was harsh as hell to zergs (nat placements were urgh).
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Wow, there's two Canadians still alive and kicking there
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On July 28 2009 00:41 jeremycafe wrote:
"He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass."
He will not win this tournament. And just because something is "foreign" doesn't make him outclass others. Hes not playing against the pros.
Lol youre so wrong its not even funny. The chances of Idra winning this tournament are id say around 80%+ Without ret in there he has no real comptetion besides the all iners(castro/dinot/horror is known to be cheesy sometimes too) plus anyone else who thinks "idrais better than me i should cheese"
If you dont think he's the clear favorite youre retarded.
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On July 28 2009 00:54 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 00:41 jeremycafe wrote:
"He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass."
He will not win this tournament. And just because something is "foreign" doesn't make him outclass others. Hes not playing against the pros. ??? There is no way you can say with any certainty that he will not win this tournament. If I remember correctly he won both the ASL and Valor, as well as other things, beating many of the players in this tournament. No, just because something is "foreign" doesn't mean he is on another level altogether, but he is probably the best foreigner right now, and even the best drop games and series to others that are not thought to be as good, both in the pro and foreign scene. Also, he has been playing pros for over a year now, so I don't know what you are talking about. If you meant in this tournament, then yes, he is not playing pros - but like I said, he has already shown that he can beat foreign players by winning both ASL and Valor. Stop being blinded by your hate or whatever.
You mean he won SCL and Valor, not ASL. Pj 4-2'ed him in the semis of the ASL. He will almost certainly win any foreign tournaments excluding the Chinese. And he's not that dominant, even excluding the Chinese. He doesn't roll over foreigners like the other Koreans. And after watching JF's replays, I think JF will beat him. He seems back in form.
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too bad for the contest, i guess a lot of scores. and i mean a lot.
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HOLY FUCK WHITERA VS MONDI?
O_______O;;
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Awesome stuff. This tournament is freaking amazing.
Kind of a bummer that ret dropped out, but good for Horror! From what I've seen he hasn't been doing that exceptional lately, so I hope he does well.
And yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that IdrA is the favorite to win. He's the best foreigner ever, in my opinion - the foreign bonjwa. But with Dinot, White-Ra, Brat, and JF still on the board, I can see him possibly losing. I suppose it's not entirely likely in a BO5, but who knows what sort of cheesy unorthodox play will get thrown at him.
This RO8, and the two remaining RO16 games are going to be absolutely godly. We're gonna have commentated stream/vods for the RO8, right?
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About Idra:
Spoiler warining Valor + Show Spoiler + For me its not anymore like in the beginning when he went to Korea and in this situation where you need to focus hard in your APM, mechanics, executing perfectly the basic builds to catch up with your Korean teammates in the groundings first and in this time you are more vulnerable to something that gets you out of your rhythm.
Nowadays Idras looks like he has all this stuff behind him and got enough of his head free to scout and adapt to almost everything Foreigners can throw at him. He literally crushed Fenix in the Valor tournament 4:0 with massive multitasking and harassing without suffering of his macro. I think in this stage its very unlikely that someone can stop him in the foreign scene except ret
To the question if he should play in foreign tournaments I am somehow divided. On one hand he clearly got better conditions than other foreigners. On the other hand it seems unfair to punish him for the fact that he decided to successfully invest more in his way with Starcraft while others got other perspectives to provide their lifes.
So I dont got a opinion about this because either way there is no optimal solution for me. But what I dont think is too great is when there is only one big prizemoney for the first place. I heard this in ESL.. So correct me if I am wrong. Because others should also have a chance to get a smaller piece of the cake even if Idra is dominating. So something like 1. 700, 2. 200 3. 100 serves the purporse much better imo and still makes the first place much more attractive. Really dont understand why you made it 1020 $ just for the first place.
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Damn, it's a shame to see kolll lose. He could have gone all the way if it weren't for the older maps. Damn imbalanced maps!
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Osaka27136 Posts
Hey this is a great tournament with a bigger prize than Valor. Can we talk about that rather than making it an IdrA shitstorm please?
On July 28 2009 07:25 groro wrote:
So I dont got a opinion about this because either way there is no optimal solution for me. But what I dont think is too great is when there is only one big prizemoney for the first place. I heard this in ESL.. So correct me if I am wrong. Because others should also have a chance to get a smaller piece of the cake even if Idra is dominating. So something like 1. 700, 2. 200 3. 100 serves the purporse much better imo and still makes the first place much more attractive. Really dont understand why you made it 1020 $ just for the first place.
Obviously you don't get the reference to HIGHLANDER. There can be only one. That is the theme.
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On July 28 2009 06:41 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 00:54 fanatacist wrote:On July 28 2009 00:41 jeremycafe wrote:
"He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass."
He will not win this tournament. And just because something is "foreign" doesn't make him outclass others. Hes not playing against the pros. ??? There is no way you can say with any certainty that he will not win this tournament. If I remember correctly he won both the ASL and Valor, as well as other things, beating many of the players in this tournament. No, just because something is "foreign" doesn't mean he is on another level altogether, but he is probably the best foreigner right now, and even the best drop games and series to others that are not thought to be as good, both in the pro and foreign scene. Also, he has been playing pros for over a year now, so I don't know what you are talking about. If you meant in this tournament, then yes, he is not playing pros - but like I said, he has already shown that he can beat foreign players by winning both ASL and Valor. Stop being blinded by your hate or whatever. You mean he won SCL and Valor, not ASL. Pj 4-2'ed him in the semis of the ASL. He will almost certainly win any foreign tournaments excluding the Chinese. And he's not that dominant, even excluding the Chinese. He doesn't roll over foreigners like the other Koreans. And after watching JF's replays, I think JF will beat him. He seems back in form.
Yep, that's what I meant, thanks for the correction n_n
I completely agree about the Chinese, but as you see in this tournament, it's not an issue.
I think JF vs IdrA would be a great MU, although I would have to say IdrA's TvP is far from being his best whereas JF's PvT is (imo) his strongest.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Idra got a lot better against toss foreigners ever since he started going engineering bay rush.
EDIT: and let me take this opportunity to say that Idra's TvZ is fucking art. The first game against Dimaga was fantastic, even though he lost.... the second game was just a classic example of a game of his type of style (mass tech)... and the third game was just flawlessly executed.
I think we're beginning to see the beginnings of Idra gaining the confidence to have a style. In TvP I think we saw a little of it in the series vs Fenix, where he switched from standard macro play to a beautiful harass game right out of Fantasy's playbook. In TvZ, his style seems to be mass tech (2 starports, yet lots of early tanks, dropship play) with a relatively (and usually dangerously) small group of MnM that's just big enough to kill mass lings.
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dam cant believe ret is out so soon. I think this will be an Idra vs Jf finals or atleast thats what Im hoping for.
As for Idra playing in tournaments... Half u kids crying he shouldn't be playing or the same people who was on the idra sucks bandwagon not to long ago. Now he gets good and u don't want him to compete u guys are funny
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Infernal vs Tarson on Heartbreak is such a funny game! :D Watch it!
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UGH I SUCKKKKK. My luck runs very low T.T
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Aw man. My favorite player (ret) is out. Great games by JF so far. Nice to see him playing again. =O
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On July 28 2009 09:36 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
dam cant believe ret is out so soon. I think this will be an Idra vs Jf finals or atleast thats what Im hoping for.
As for Idra playing in tournaments... Half u kids crying he shouldn't be playing or the same people who was on the idra sucks bandwagon not to long ago. Now he gets good and u don't want him to compete u guys are funny
As x17ish as that sounds, its kinda true lol. He used to be the easy joke for the communities, but now that he's showing what he's learned, people don't want him here . Funny how things work ^.^..... As for who i'm cheering for now.... gotta go with xiaozi and jf ^.^!!!
RED AND WHITE LIGHTNING!
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when is ret playing castro?
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white-ra
iefnaij
fighting!! im looking forward to white-ra vs mondi~
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On July 28 2009 08:02 Manifesto7 wrote:Hey this is a great tournament with a bigger prize than Valor. Can we talk about that rather than making it an IdrA shitstorm please? Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 07:25 groro wrote:
So I dont got a opinion about this because either way there is no optimal solution for me. But what I dont think is too great is when there is only one big prizemoney for the first place. I heard this in ESL.. So correct me if I am wrong. Because others should also have a chance to get a smaller piece of the cake even if Idra is dominating. So something like 1. 700, 2. 200 3. 100 serves the purporse much better imo and still makes the first place much more attractive. Really dont understand why you made it 1020 $ just for the first place.
Obviously you don't get the reference to HIGHLANDER. There can be only one. That is the theme.
Ah ok my bad. Yeah, I forgot about this TV series and its motto.
Edit: Wanted to thanks everybody involved for setting this up. I mean as a follower of such tournaments you most likely talk about some things where you got twisted thoughts or some deeply discussion is possible. But its not like you dont appreciate the work or something.
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On July 28 2009 08:28 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 06:41 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:On July 28 2009 00:54 fanatacist wrote:On July 28 2009 00:41 jeremycafe wrote:
"He has won like 3/4 foreign tournaments in the past 2 months, or something ridiculous like that. Stop talking out of your ass."
He will not win this tournament. And just because something is "foreign" doesn't make him outclass others. Hes not playing against the pros. ??? There is no way you can say with any certainty that he will not win this tournament. If I remember correctly he won both the ASL and Valor, as well as other things, beating many of the players in this tournament. No, just because something is "foreign" doesn't mean he is on another level altogether, but he is probably the best foreigner right now, and even the best drop games and series to others that are not thought to be as good, both in the pro and foreign scene. Also, he has been playing pros for over a year now, so I don't know what you are talking about. If you meant in this tournament, then yes, he is not playing pros - but like I said, he has already shown that he can beat foreign players by winning both ASL and Valor. Stop being blinded by your hate or whatever. You mean he won SCL and Valor, not ASL. Pj 4-2'ed him in the semis of the ASL. He will almost certainly win any foreign tournaments excluding the Chinese. And he's not that dominant, even excluding the Chinese. He doesn't roll over foreigners like the other Koreans. And after watching JF's replays, I think JF will beat him. He seems back in form. Yep, that's what I meant, thanks for the correction n_n I completely agree about the Chinese, but as you see in this tournament, it's not an issue. I think JF vs IdrA would be a great MU, although I would have to say IdrA's TvP is far from being his best whereas JF's PvT is (imo) his strongest.
JF disagrees:
+ Show Spoiler +Your next opponent will be RoX.BRAT_OK.
His play is quite impressive, however I am feeling anything but confident. I've been practicing PvP and PvZ's all seasons, not even touching PvT.
Although, JF's PvT is still really sick and has really smart decision making and good macro, he will give Idra some trouble, but not going be too much trouble, judging by how bad Idra rolled Ra/Fenix. How is being your 2nd best mu far from being his best :/?
Also I dont expect JF to get through Bratok let alone Idra, those 2 were always closely matched, and both their bo5s/bo7s couldve gone different ways if not for map positions. But Bratok is more active right now which is all he needs.
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+ Show Spoiler +Two very good games and then... wtf?!?! Such a damn pity ... as it stands I'm just bitter about the series that could have been. Ack...
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i like idras 3rd game wins =p
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Valhalla18444 Posts
this shit rules so hard
TAKE NO PRISONERS
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Oh wow, Ret is out... Kind of sucks as I was hoping for yet another great Bo5 against him and Idra. Oh well, I'm sure others will give idra run for his money.
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This is an awesome tournament. Reading through this thread and watching the replays is so cool.
GJ TL!
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Is Castro 12 years old? (3rd game of him vs Idra)
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On July 28 2009 15:35 iMate wrote:
i like idras 3rd game wins =p
What the hell happens?
I get there's lag but why is Idra attacking his own SCVs and marines?!
My replay can't be corrupted can it?
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On July 28 2009 19:26 Klive5ive wrote:What the hell happens? I get there's lag but why is Idra attacking his own SCVs and marines?! My replay can't be corrupted can it?
He was hitting the eggs.
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Great tourney, enjoying it very much!
I haven't seen much of horror until now, but I sure like what I see. Anyone has some good reps/vods of him they can provide/recommend?
+1 horror fan
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Yeah, I'm with you there hefty.
+ Show Spoiler [game one of ret vs horror] + I haven't seen ret play much until now. I've noticed a lot of people saying he's one of the favorites to win, but after watching game one, I found it hard to justify it. Mind you, I've only seen him play a game or two on user streams, but he seemed a little immature, both game wise and chat.
Horror played a little sloppily. he had a number of idle scv's, and made a few mistakes with overextending his tanks. But with that said, he played a great game and beat ret. then at the end, in standard keyboard warrior fashion, ret complains about the map. Give credit to horror on a great game!
I don't mean to flame ret, just my thoughts. Now to watch games 2 + 3
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On July 28 2009 22:00 BookTwo wrote:Yeah, I'm with you there hefty. + Show Spoiler [game one of ret vs horror] + I haven't seen ret play much until now. I've noticed a lot of people saying he's one of the favorites to win, but after watching game one, I found it hard to justify it. Mind you, I've only seen him play a game or two on user streams, but he seemed a little immature, both game wise and chat.
Horror played a little sloppily. he had a number of idle scv's, and made a few mistakes with overextending his tanks. But with that said, he played a great game and beat ret. then at the end, in standard keyboard warrior fashion, ret complains about the map. Give credit to horror on a great game!
I don't mean to flame ret, just my thoughts. Now to watch games 2 + 3
+ Show Spoiler + He was a heavy favorite to get to the finals. He already mentioned that he was and still is sick. It's pretty apparent in his play, too.
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On July 28 2009 22:00 BookTwo wrote:Yeah, I'm with you there hefty. + Show Spoiler [game one of ret vs horror] + I haven't seen ret play much until now. I've noticed a lot of people saying he's one of the favorites to win, but after watching game one, I found it hard to justify it. Mind you, I've only seen him play a game or two on user streams, but he seemed a little immature, both game wise and chat.
Horror played a little sloppily. he had a number of idle scv's, and made a few mistakes with overextending his tanks. But with that said, he played a great game and beat ret. then at the end, in standard keyboard warrior fashion, ret complains about the map. Give credit to horror on a great game!
I don't mean to flame ret, just my thoughts. Now to watch games 2 + 3
90% of top foreigners are like that (and most of the ones who arent are cheesy protosses)
it comes with the mentality it takes to get really good at something in the environment foreign sc has
most of them just hide it better.
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On July 28 2009 22:04 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2009 22:00 BookTwo wrote:Yeah, I'm with you there hefty. + Show Spoiler [game one of ret vs horror] + I haven't seen ret play much until now. I've noticed a lot of people saying he's one of the favorites to win, but after watching game one, I found it hard to justify it. Mind you, I've only seen him play a game or two on user streams, but he seemed a little immature, both game wise and chat.
Horror played a little sloppily. he had a number of idle scv's, and made a few mistakes with overextending his tanks. But with that said, he played a great game and beat ret. then at the end, in standard keyboard warrior fashion, ret complains about the map. Give credit to horror on a great game!
I don't mean to flame ret, just my thoughts. Now to watch games 2 + 3 90% of top foreigners are like that (and most of the ones who arent are cheesy protosses) it comes with the mentality it takes to get really good at something in the environment foreign sc has most of them just hide it better.
Immaturity shouldn't be something 'normal' in foreign sc. I know most gamers start young, and I think ret is young(ish). Just because a lot of people act like that, doesn't mean everyone should jump on the bandwagon.
And the start of game two is so lol from ret. still complaining about that map.
I didn't know he was sick, that's news to me. Like I said before, I didn't mean to flame ret, I just thought he should have given horror some credit instead of blaming the map.
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On July 27 2009 21:53 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2009 21:49 oberon wrote:On July 27 2009 20:52 Heimatloser wrote:y do they let IdrA play in all this foreigner tournaments? isnt it obvious that he is whole another class? whats the use of watching this when i know that at the end god damned IdrA will win this shit? Let's say he beats Castro...that would set him up to play ToT)Xiaozi. You may recognize that name as the fellow who whumped Idra during a TeamLiquid sponsored event relatively recently. Not to underestimate Idra, who's clearly *a* favorite...just perhaps not *the* favorite... --oberon you mean the guy who ling allined me in the tournament that i then eliminated him from? he whumped me good and hard all right
God dammit, I'm just completely wrong. I'm confusing him with F91 -- and I couldn't even tell you why. They're not even from the same contintent. The closest I can come up with is "both zerg".
So...ignore that.
--oberon
EDIT: Edited my first post to indicate that it was NOT Xiaozi who beat Idra, and that I'm dumb.
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+ Show Spoiler [ret vs horror game 2+3] + Just finished it. I'm impressed by ret's swarms. They weren't perfect, but they were very, very good. Even though I know the result, I'm looking forward to game three
game 3: why didn't ret prepare for the vulture harass? he didn't get a scout in, so he must have thought something was up. I think he was being greedy. nice harassment from horror, but he suicided four of his valkyries for no good reason.
still, I'm definitely a horror fan. the fact that he plays terran is a bonus.
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Great reps. Can't wait for the next few matches!
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On July 28 2009 16:47 Lebesgue wrote:
Oh wow, Ret is out... Kind of sucks as I was hoping for yet another great Bo5 against him and Idra. Oh well, I'm sure others will give idra run for his money.
Castro actually played him really well in both games, I really enjoyed them. Idra of course was solid, but Castro held his own. Good job to both, too damn bad about the 3rd game.
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awesome reps. Machine should have beaten JF 2-0. That would have been a fantastic upset. Oh well. Good luck to JF in the tournament!
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On July 28 2009 22:00 BookTwo wrote:+ Show Spoiler [game one of ret vs horror] + I haven't seen ret play much until now. I've noticed a lot of people saying he's one of the favorites to win, but after watching game one, I found it hard to justify it. Mind you, I've only seen him play a game or two on user streams, but he seemed a little immature, both game wise and chat.
Horror played a little sloppily. he had a number of idle scv's, and made a few mistakes with overextending his tanks. But with that said, he played a great game and beat ret. then at the end, in standard keyboard warrior fashion, ret complains about the map. Give credit to horror on a great game!
I don't mean to flame ret, just my thoughts. Now to watch games 2 + 3
There's no doubt he was a favorite, most people agree he is one of the best foreigners. He didn't play his best against horror, especially game 3 was horribly as you also mentioned, but according to himself he simply forgot to put up a sunken and such things happen. I would have loved to see a better 3rd game, but as it is horror goes on to the quarter finals, and I'm excited for him. It's not that I don't want to see an idra/ret take the gold, but a couple of black horses in the finals make eveything so much more interesting.
The mistakes you mention horror made is part of why I liked to watch his games - there were quite som errors in his play, but he still managed to play some excellent games. These imperfections make his play a lot easier to relate to.
Oh, and btw, ret isn't youngish as you insinuate. I understand how losing to a player everyone regards to be of lesser skill level than you can upset you. But agreed, more power to the players that accept their losses with a straight face.
EDIT: Removed a typo.
Also, noone directed me to any source of horror games yet. Someone must have something to share - please do.
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THANKS FOR REPS!
I felt all caps was justified since this is simply one of the best tourneys ever. I am so excited for finals!
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wow, just watched castro vs idra game three. what was up with castro?
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Braavos36374 Posts
people have said this before, but what really separates pro zergs from amateurs in ZvT is their hive play. every korean zerg can maintain the correct pre-ultra hive unit mix, have defilers in the right spots, and continue to have streamlined macro while doing all the annoying hive zerg swarm/plaguing, but foreign zergs can't.
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what the fuck happened in game 3?
killing their own shit and what have you
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does the pack include all the replays? I couldn't locate some of the games replays, including the ones with Deska in them.
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wtf ret, now who's gonna take idra down?
although i shouldn't complain because this tournament is made out of awesome.
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Soo, someone at GG.net has found something quite.. interesting. If you watch game one between DIMAGA and IdrA on Destination, you can see that on DIMAGA's side of the map, there is stacked minerals at his main and nat and so on, giving him a twice as fast mining rate.. IdrA, on the other hand, was playing with standard mineral count etc and still nearly won. -_-!
DIMAGA = abuser?
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I already reported that to incontrol after reading gg.net
EDIT : Oh wow, he was actually moving the double mining drones away when idras scv would come..
Just wow
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Yeah, I noticed that too, whish 99.99% proves he was fully aware of the map rigging and tried to cheat his way to $1000. 
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Thats pretty disgusting. I wonder if he did it on any of the other maps
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dl-ing hoping for some epic games
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"Here is Idra vs Castro in case you downloaded the old pack and just want these games"
such thoughtfulness <3
edit: too bad the maps are stupid =(
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dunno about dimaga, he didnt host the game
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seriously what happened in game 3 idra vs castro LOL
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I fully support a tournament format that Idra can play in. It would be so detrimental to the growth of the foreign sc community to cut off our best players from foreign leagues because they have ascended to the Korean progaming scene. Personally I think it would be awesome if more Korean progamers played in foreign tournaments.
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I seriously want to shoot the person who suggested gamma gaewon be in the map pool, but other than that it's been an amazing serious to watch with some really entertaining games
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Deasent tournament, keep it up! 
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On July 29 2009 07:45 hifriend wrote:
dunno about dimaga, he didnt host the game
IdrA hosted with a rigged map? lol
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i think idra would of won/ had a better chance of winning if he didnt sucide his army into the natural when dimaga's mutas were in his base
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On July 30 2009 01:18 jeremycafe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 07:45 hifriend wrote:
dunno about dimaga, he didnt host the game IdrA hosted with a rigged map? lol
yeah, by mistake
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I'm really happy to see more good terrans nowadays in the foreign scene, but it seems that the number of good protoss user dropped dramatically.
That makes me sad again
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I really don't get the talk about Idra not being allowed to play, sure the game he lost in the first round was rigged but his games against castro were close and I don't really know for sure if he would have advanced had they ACTUALLY PLAYED THE FUCKING GAMES. God that is annoying.
the next rounds should be good though.
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JF's games were pretty fearsome, his PvZ's against Machine were pretty impressive.
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On July 29 2009 15:43 XeliN wrote:
I seriously want to shoot the person who suggested gamma gaewon be in the map pool, but other than that it's been an amazing serious to watch with some really entertaining games
just saw a few games myself, and have to agree with that
wtf is it with gaema gowon (not even sin gaema gowon which is far more balanced) and neo forte?
this is so lol
koll eliminated, ret eliminated. ok horror and brat_ok are really good, but still these 2 maps suck hardcore ;(
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On August 02 2009 00:06 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2009 15:43 XeliN wrote:
I seriously want to shoot the person who suggested gamma gaewon be in the map pool, but other than that it's been an amazing serious to watch with some really entertaining games just saw a few games myself, and have to agree with that wtf is it with gaema gowon (not even sin gaema gowon which is far more balanced) and neo forte? this is so lol koll eliminated, ret eliminated. ok horror and brat_ok are really good, but still these 2 maps suck hardcore ;(
Watch ret vs horror before you pass judgment on the maps...
And yes, we are using Sin Gaema Gowon not Gaema Gowon
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well kolll against brat_ok was on gaema gowon (same for brat_ok against deska)
and i watched ret against horror (in the third game on colo ret says he had not enough gas albeit having 3 drones on gas which is not true, he just didnt play as good as usual), thanks.
still neo forte sucks, watch kolll against brat_ok. i dont see how any zerg given these postions can win against mech t without some sort of allin
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What about the final rounds of this?
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