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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11562 Posts
June 06 2009 04:32 GMT
#261
FUCK YEAH!

This is so amazing
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
June 06 2009 04:39 GMT
#262
That's impressive, good job!
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 06 2009 04:42 GMT
#263
On June 06 2009 13:06 InsideTheBox wrote:
Sounds amazing. Should cut down a lot of silly unnecessary threads in the strategy forum.


I hope so.
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
June 06 2009 05:38 GMT
#264
On June 06 2009 10:06 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 09:24 sixghost wrote:
On June 06 2009 08:47 Kwark wrote:
On June 06 2009 06:28 Chill wrote:
On June 06 2009 04:05 Kwark wrote:
Personally a pet project of mine are the metagame topics. I love those but as a Protoss only player I can't write more than a one sided approach to how to exploit the metagame. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how they evolve when people with different experience to mine start editting.

Do you understand what metagame means? If so, please expand this thought.

A simple example would be mutalisk openings ZvT. I am aware that Zergs use mutalisks to influence the Terran's timing, when he pushes, when he expands etc all by moving them around to create threat and get in the Terran players head. But I'm not aware of how they know when to do what and why.

That's not what metagame means. I think that's just more of a history of the matchup. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.

My understanding of metagame is the part of the game played out in the heads of the players, rather than the tactics or strategy. Take July's 5 pool against BeSt in Game 1 of the OSL finals, establishing the psychological upper hand and throwing BeSt off balance. The 5 pool itself was an in-game strategy but the "I'm July and we're gonna play this my way and I'm going to win" mentality it created was a metagame strategy.

From how I understand it, if July believed that Best had a tendency to scout late, or he was abusing some other piece of knowledge about the map, or current state of protoss trends, he would be metagaming. What you are describing just seems like mind games.

Thinking about it now, I don't understand the term as well as I thought, so I could be entirely wrong about this.
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kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
June 06 2009 06:26 GMT
#265
Amazing.. I'll bookmark that page for sure =D
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
June 06 2009 06:45 GMT
#266
I am really impressed with teamliquid, it's inspiring how powerful the sense of community and helpfulness is that people will work on something like this for 20 months. Good job to all the people who contributed and increased the power level of teamliquid! This will be so good for SC and the best for SC II. I think it will help the game develop and also help keep skill levels as high as possible. This means a lot more than most of us would think! Good job everyone, next, The Pentagon!
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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
June 06 2009 06:55 GMT
#267
epic, congratulations.
this is going to be a great addition to TL
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
June 06 2009 07:24 GMT
#268
I.... am..... SO IN LOVE WITH YOU ALL
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7497 Posts
June 06 2009 07:48 GMT
#269
On June 06 2009 14:38 sixghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 10:06 Kwark wrote:
On June 06 2009 09:24 sixghost wrote:
On June 06 2009 08:47 Kwark wrote:
On June 06 2009 06:28 Chill wrote:
On June 06 2009 04:05 Kwark wrote:
Personally a pet project of mine are the metagame topics. I love those but as a Protoss only player I can't write more than a one sided approach to how to exploit the metagame. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how they evolve when people with different experience to mine start editting.

Do you understand what metagame means? If so, please expand this thought.

A simple example would be mutalisk openings ZvT. I am aware that Zergs use mutalisks to influence the Terran's timing, when he pushes, when he expands etc all by moving them around to create threat and get in the Terran players head. But I'm not aware of how they know when to do what and why.

That's not what metagame means. I think that's just more of a history of the matchup. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you.

My understanding of metagame is the part of the game played out in the heads of the players, rather than the tactics or strategy. Take July's 5 pool against BeSt in Game 1 of the OSL finals, establishing the psychological upper hand and throwing BeSt off balance. The 5 pool itself was an in-game strategy but the "I'm July and we're gonna play this my way and I'm going to win" mentality it created was a metagame strategy.

From how I understand it, if July believed that Best had a tendency to scout late, or he was abusing some other piece of knowledge about the map, or current state of protoss trends, he would be metagaming. What you are describing just seems like mind games.

Thinking about it now, I don't understand the term as well as I thought, so I could be entirely wrong about this.


I missed your post.

You are 100% correct in everyway, my post went to great lengths to say what yo usaid simply.

Well done sir!
jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
June 06 2009 08:02 GMT
#270
The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset.
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
June 06 2009 08:09 GMT
#271
Amazing.
I will eat you alive
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7497 Posts
June 06 2009 08:26 GMT
#272
On June 06 2009 17:02 jtype wrote:
The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset.

actually that has nothing to do with starcraft at all.


wrong.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
June 06 2009 09:53 GMT
#273
Y'all have fun working on the "Metagame" article (once the Liqui is accessible). Looking forward to meeting you there!
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
June 06 2009 09:57 GMT
#274
wow this is great !!!!!!

i like this:

(my post in "[TLPD] ask for stats" thread):
On May 29 2009 20:04 MasterReY wrote:
i would like to see a "team history" for every player.
Just short line in which teams that player was and to which teams he got transfered.

like:

MBC Hero -> SKT1 -> STX Soul

(but also include old names like P&C, IS, POS and stuff)



now i read this in the op:
On June 06 2009 00:43 Plexa wrote:
<center><font size='3'><b>What is the future of Liquipedia?</b></font></center>
Over the coming month, the Liquipedia team will be focusing its efforts on introducing a number of elements from the world of Progaming into Liquipedia. The planned expansion includes
- Player bios
- Information about current and past leagues
- Team Histories (including name changes)
- Battle Reports for matches (where available)
Indeed Liquipedia will become an even more useful resource as more information is added. Once Liquipedia goes live, feel free to add content to any of the above areas in addition to Strategy.




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drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
June 06 2009 10:04 GMT
#275
im going to send this page to everyone who ever heard about SC and make them read it all!
One must feel chaos within, to give birth to a dancing star.
Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
June 06 2009 10:18 GMT
#276
very awesome, gj everyone
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43910 Posts
June 06 2009 10:49 GMT
#277
On June 06 2009 17:26 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:02 jtype wrote:
The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset.

actually that has nothing to do with starcraft at all.


wrong.

That's where the confusion is I think. Metagame literally means beyondgame, in the same way that metaphysics means beyondphysics. That's what the word meta means which is why I mistakenly took it to mean using and exploiting factors outside of the strategic and tactical choices within the game to win. Whereas I now see I was mistaken and metagame has a quite different meaning. Is there any established term for what I meant?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 06 2009 11:09 GMT
#278
On June 06 2009 19:49 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2009 17:26 AttackZerg wrote:
On June 06 2009 17:02 jtype wrote:
The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset.

actually that has nothing to do with starcraft at all.


wrong.

That's where the confusion is I think. Metagame literally means beyondgame, in the same way that metaphysics means beyondphysics. That's what the word meta means which is why I mistakenly took it to mean using and exploiting factors outside of the strategic and tactical choices within the game to win. Whereas I now see I was mistaken and metagame has a quite different meaning. Is there any established term for what I meant?

Mindgames? O_o Psychological warfare?
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Khyrandor
Profile Joined February 2009
Czech Republic158 Posts
June 06 2009 11:24 GMT
#279
Amazing... TL is the best
fan of Chill, ToT)Mondragon(, ret, Jaedong, Day[9], DjWHEAT, White-Ra, Jinro, R1CH and TL and after TSL3 Ro32 Mondragon again... R.I.P. ToT
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
June 06 2009 11:58 GMT
#280
Amazing stuff, huge props to you guys.
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