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FragKrag
United States11539 Posts
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fnaticNoname
India858 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On June 06 2009 13:06 InsideTheBox wrote: Sounds amazing. Should cut down a lot of silly unnecessary threads in the strategy forum. I hope so. | ||
sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On June 06 2009 10:06 Kwark wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2009 09:24 sixghost wrote: On June 06 2009 08:47 Kwark wrote: On June 06 2009 06:28 Chill wrote: On June 06 2009 04:05 Kwark wrote: Personally a pet project of mine are the metagame topics. I love those but as a Protoss only player I can't write more than a one sided approach to how to exploit the metagame. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how they evolve when people with different experience to mine start editting. Do you understand what metagame means? If so, please expand this thought. A simple example would be mutalisk openings ZvT. I am aware that Zergs use mutalisks to influence the Terran's timing, when he pushes, when he expands etc all by moving them around to create threat and get in the Terran players head. But I'm not aware of how they know when to do what and why. That's not what metagame means. I think that's just more of a history of the matchup. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you. My understanding of metagame is the part of the game played out in the heads of the players, rather than the tactics or strategy. Take July's 5 pool against BeSt in Game 1 of the OSL finals, establishing the psychological upper hand and throwing BeSt off balance. The 5 pool itself was an in-game strategy but the "I'm July and we're gonna play this my way and I'm going to win" mentality it created was a metagame strategy. From how I understand it, if July believed that Best had a tendency to scout late, or he was abusing some other piece of knowledge about the map, or current state of protoss trends, he would be metagaming. What you are describing just seems like mind games. Thinking about it now, I don't understand the term as well as I thought, so I could be entirely wrong about this. | ||
kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
On June 06 2009 14:38 sixghost wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2009 10:06 Kwark wrote: On June 06 2009 09:24 sixghost wrote: On June 06 2009 08:47 Kwark wrote: On June 06 2009 06:28 Chill wrote: On June 06 2009 04:05 Kwark wrote: Personally a pet project of mine are the metagame topics. I love those but as a Protoss only player I can't write more than a one sided approach to how to exploit the metagame. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how they evolve when people with different experience to mine start editting. Do you understand what metagame means? If so, please expand this thought. A simple example would be mutalisk openings ZvT. I am aware that Zergs use mutalisks to influence the Terran's timing, when he pushes, when he expands etc all by moving them around to create threat and get in the Terran players head. But I'm not aware of how they know when to do what and why. That's not what metagame means. I think that's just more of a history of the matchup. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding you. My understanding of metagame is the part of the game played out in the heads of the players, rather than the tactics or strategy. Take July's 5 pool against BeSt in Game 1 of the OSL finals, establishing the psychological upper hand and throwing BeSt off balance. The 5 pool itself was an in-game strategy but the "I'm July and we're gonna play this my way and I'm going to win" mentality it created was a metagame strategy. From how I understand it, if July believed that Best had a tendency to scout late, or he was abusing some other piece of knowledge about the map, or current state of protoss trends, he would be metagaming. What you are describing just seems like mind games. Thinking about it now, I don't understand the term as well as I thought, so I could be entirely wrong about this. I missed your post. You are 100% correct in everyway, my post went to great lengths to say what yo usaid simply. Well done sir! | ||
jtype
England2167 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7453 Posts
On June 06 2009 17:02 jtype wrote: The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset. actually that has nothing to do with starcraft at all. wrong. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11240 Posts
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
i like this: (my post in "[TLPD] ask for stats" thread): On May 29 2009 20:04 MasterReY wrote: i would like to see a "team history" for every player. Just short line in which teams that player was and to which teams he got transfered. like: MBC Hero -> SKT1 -> STX Soul (but also include old names like P&C, IS, POS and stuff) now i read this in the op: On June 06 2009 00:43 Plexa wrote: <center><font size='3'><b>What is the future of Liquipedia?</b></font></center> Over the coming month, the Liquipedia team will be focusing its efforts on introducing a number of elements from the world of Progaming into Liquipedia. The planned expansion includes - Player bios - Information about current and past leagues - Team Histories (including name changes) - Battle Reports for matches (where available) Indeed Liquipedia will become an even more useful resource as more information is added. Once Liquipedia goes live, feel free to add content to any of the above areas in addition to Strategy. | ||
drug_vict1m
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
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KwarK
United States41928 Posts
On June 06 2009 17:26 AttackZerg wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2009 17:02 jtype wrote: The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset. actually that has nothing to do with starcraft at all. wrong. That's where the confusion is I think. Metagame literally means beyondgame, in the same way that metaphysics means beyondphysics. That's what the word meta means which is why I mistakenly took it to mean using and exploiting factors outside of the strategic and tactical choices within the game to win. Whereas I now see I was mistaken and metagame has a quite different meaning. Is there any established term for what I meant? | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 06 2009 19:49 Kwark wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2009 17:26 AttackZerg wrote: On June 06 2009 17:02 jtype wrote: The Metagame includes anything that takes place outside of the existing ruleset. actually that has nothing to do with starcraft at all. wrong. That's where the confusion is I think. Metagame literally means beyondgame, in the same way that metaphysics means beyondphysics. That's what the word meta means which is why I mistakenly took it to mean using and exploiting factors outside of the strategic and tactical choices within the game to win. Whereas I now see I was mistaken and metagame has a quite different meaning. Is there any established term for what I meant? Mindgames? O_o Psychological warfare? | ||
Khyrandor
Czech Republic158 Posts
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Makhno
Sweden585 Posts
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