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Cable
Profile Joined January 2011
116 Posts
January 16 2013 20:38 GMT
#201
Awesome awards, really came as a surprise.

Must say that the "Hero of the Year" was quite a boring pick, but probably the most appropriate one!
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-16 21:29:10
January 16 2013 21:27 GMT
#202
On January 17 2013 01:47 TylerDurdenn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 00:53 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 17 2013 00:35 TylerDurdenn wrote:
Yeah he slipped out he couldnt understand the bait. It is tobiwan who gives you the nerd chills at the fight not Godz. I call the guy caster if he can make me excited like that. He casted 10 times more games than any other dota caster it is fine if he makes mistakes it is not huge failure or something. But TL not mentioning him on 2012 Awards it is just so sad. I always tought TL is a site with proffesionality now i think they are doing this to get more attention on dota news section to beat joindota. They shouldnt forget that if joindota hasnt got this scene this big they wouldnt even pick dota 2 as a new game on TL

With all the drama involving Tobi and considering how badly BeyondTheSummit and LD beat them at the end of the year in quite literally every aspect of casting/streaming, Tobi is really not in the run vs. LD.



They need atleast a full year to be compared with tobiwan not just *end of the year* will make them good. Tobi was the stable caster for as long as i remember and he is doing a great job with that. I love LD and BTS team aswell but Tobi is something different he is the one made so many people love this game

Sorry but the TI2 controversy showed how unprofessional tobi is, a person that'd do something like that does not deserve caster of the year award at all.

Not to mention that tobis ingame knowlede has not increased since the start of the year while LD has shown loads of improvement and has surpassed tobi in this regard by now.
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Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 00:31:31
January 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#203
the No Tidehunter bait was the best shit ive seen that year
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shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
January 17 2013 02:21 GMT
#204
Thanks for this, I really enjoyed the read. So much epic shit that I missed in 2012 - That black hole made me lol pretty hard. And hoping 2013 will be even better!
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
GutShot9
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada46 Posts
January 17 2013 02:39 GMT
#205
I remember watching the Dream Hack Finals live on twitch. When NTH laid the bait! Man I still get mad nerd chills when I watch that video. That tournament was also the start of a new age in strategy for DOTA 2 and the outing of Sven. That tournament changed captains mode entirely and showcased the "patch" in all it's glory.

GJ Great Post!
zoe`
Profile Joined August 2012
116 Posts
January 17 2013 04:37 GMT
#206
Good job TeamLiquid.. Keep up the amazing work!
"If your enemy is equal, prepare for him. If greater, elude him. If weaker, crush him" Dark Seer.
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
January 17 2013 08:15 GMT
#207
What did tobi do in TI2? I cant remember anything
I think he missed his flight but I guess thats not it :a
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 15:05:31
January 17 2013 15:04 GMT
#208
Anyone please PM me videos if you'd like to share the passion for DotA :D

I haven't played dota for years but I still watch it from time to time!

Loved the bait video >:O
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 17 2013 16:10 GMT
#209
On January 17 2013 17:15 YoucriedWolf wrote:
What did tobi do in TI2? I cant remember anything
I think he missed his flight but I guess thats not it :a

Valve asked him to cast a game(MUFC vs TongFu, I think), and Tobi instead decided to cast a game he thought would be more interesting which already had a caster, leaving the other match uncasted.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 16:29:16
January 17 2013 16:22 GMT
#210
On January 18 2013 01:10 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 17:15 YoucriedWolf wrote:
What did tobi do in TI2? I cant remember anything
I think he missed his flight but I guess thats not it :a

Valve asked him to cast a game(MUFC vs TongFu, I think), and Tobi instead decided to cast a game he thought would be more interesting which already had a caster, leaving the other match uncasted.
And then went on trying to defend his decision saying that he knows better what games are good and basically ignoring the point of allocating games. Really just coming off as a completely self-centered asshole.



http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/yxngv/anyone_know_why_tobi_isnt_casting_ig_vs_tongfu/c5zrvdw

And then apology: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/yxyih/tobiwan_refusing_to_cast_international_matches_on/c5ztmob
Once you Goblak...
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
January 17 2013 18:26 GMT
#211
btw, I disagree with the game of the year choice


I would have picked iG vs LGD when it was a Syllabear vs Morphling match, with epic fights throughout the entire game, and a massive comeback by iG. Yes there were some mistakes by Sylar in the match (such as not buying a full 10 sec bkb when he had the gold) but overall it was extremely high quality, and one of the best matches of the year in terms of overall execution and entertainment.
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
January 17 2013 18:44 GMT
#212
I think you forgot one.

Best Dota 2 journalism: TeamLiquid.net



Consistently stellar write-ups, guys. Thanks.
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Gurgl
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden308 Posts
January 17 2013 22:23 GMT
#213
LD definitely deserves caster of the year and Draskyll is very good aswell. Tobiwan talks alot of nonsense imo, he lacks DotA knowledge and like others have said doesn't seem to improve at all.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 23:24:19
January 17 2013 23:22 GMT
#214
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?
LiangHao
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 00:55:12
January 18 2013 00:54 GMT
#215
On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote:
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?

Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players.

And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all.

It's been explained a few times already.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
January 18 2013 01:31 GMT
#216
Yup Zhou the best Carry of the year for sure. ZSMJ and Burning were there for the previous years but 2012 defo belongs to Zhou. Congrats!!!

Feel like Chuan deserves the support champion but he is already C-God so i guess we can have Faith this time.

LD totally deserves that. I dont quite like his casting (he is still the best western caster for me) but his passion and actively inviting interesting cocaster to cast with him is very admirable. Well done LD!!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 06:00:19
January 18 2013 05:42 GMT
#217
On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote:
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?

Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players.
Have they?

And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all.
So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year.

TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1.

Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable.

It's been explained a few times already.
Doesn't make it more educated.
LiangHao
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 08:19:20
January 18 2013 08:13 GMT
#218
On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote:
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?

Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players.
Have they?

Show nested quote +
And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all.
So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year.

TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1.

Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable.

Show nested quote +
It's been explained a few times already.
Doesn't make it more educated.
Casting games while sick just demonstrates jD's incompetence. If people want to really believe they're doing so much for the scene how can they have the biggest channel for over a year and still only support one caster?

No one is questioning Tobi's dedication but dedication doesn't make you any more intelligent or good at your job. It doesn't make you more receptive to the community.
Once you Goblak...
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 11:43:43
January 18 2013 11:34 GMT
#219
On January 18 2013 17:13 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote:
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?

Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players.
Have they?

And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all.
So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year.

TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1.

Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable.

It's been explained a few times already.
Doesn't make it more educated.
Casting games while sick just demonstrates jD's incompetence. If people want to really believe they're doing so much for the scene how can they have the biggest channel for over a year and still only support one caster?

No one is questioning Tobi's dedication but dedication doesn't make you any more intelligent or good at your job. It doesn't make you more receptive to the community.
The question was whether or not he was professional, not jD. If it was a popularity contest, Tobi would definitively win too. That a vocal minority for some odd reason find it prober to show their disliking, is the typical rebel without a cause-behaviour, for someone popular.

That Tobi is not given the prize, can only be a personal insult. He has paved the way for so many other casters, and has casted more than twice the second in line with more viewers than anyone.

Are you saying Tobi is not competent at his job?
LiangHao
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
January 18 2013 13:33 GMT
#220
On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote:
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?

Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players.
Have they?

Show nested quote +
And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all.
So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year.

TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1.

Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable.

Show nested quote +
It's been explained a few times already.
Doesn't make it more educated.

Yes, china has proven to have the better players.

Nice strawman, i did not say anything about that the one that improved the most has to win.
And he might've been pissed, doesn't make it any less unprofessional what he did. It proved that he did not know his place. He was assigned games, he should follow the assigned games. He left games without english coverage and pretty much told the teams "Sorry, your games aren't going to be important for the outcome of the group stages" which is offensive to a minimum of one of the teams.

And sorry but no, it's the OPPOSITE of professional to not take a break when you need it, it's not professional to cast while being sick, at all. And sorry but i didn't listen to tobi because in most games it was nothing short of annoying, it was only when he had synderen with him that it was watcheable for me.

Yes tobi has been the one to cast the most game, which is due to how few casters there was earlier this year for dota2, this has gone up by now and there is a reason as to why the jD streams are getting fewer and fewer viewers compared to other streams with the very same game.

What tobi did at TI2 was unspectful to valve, the viewers and the teams.


On January 18 2013 20:34 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 17:13 teapoted wrote:
On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote:
A bit China-centric.

And how can Tobi not win? For LD?

Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players.
Have they?

And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all.
So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year.

TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1.

Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable.

It's been explained a few times already.
Doesn't make it more educated.
Casting games while sick just demonstrates jD's incompetence. If people want to really believe they're doing so much for the scene how can they have the biggest channel for over a year and still only support one caster?

No one is questioning Tobi's dedication but dedication doesn't make you any more intelligent or good at your job. It doesn't make you more receptive to the community.
The question was whether or not he was professional, not jD. If it was a popularity contest, Tobi would definitively win too. That a vocal minority for some odd reason find it prober to show their disliking, is the typical rebel without a cause-behaviour, for someone popular.

That Tobi is not given the prize, can only be a personal insult. He has paved the way for so many other casters, and has casted more than twice the second in line with more viewers than anyone.

Are you saying Tobi is not competent at his job?

It has nothing to do with "rebel without a cause-behaviour" and nothing to do with him being more popular. Dendi is most likely the more popular player too compared to ferrari, doesn't really mean anything in regards to quality. Because ferrari is the overall better player.

And yes, i do not think tobi is competent at casting on his own at all. Without a good professional player to fill the massive black hole(No pun intended) that is tobi's lack of game knowledge i find it a pain to watch tobi cast.

If not LD i would've given the prize to v1lat or draskyll.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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