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On May 02 2012 22:55 GeLaar wrote:
I can't believe Blizzard pulled this off. I can't believe the Korean e-sports organisations let themselves get into a situation where Blizzard has them by the balls.
OGN and Kespa are taking some pretty big risks:
1. They might alienate their Korean fans - there is only one game that every Korean grew up knowing, and they're turing their backs on it and saying "Hey, let's have millions of people switch to this other game!". I'm curious to see if this will work, and if it does, how many times it will work (because they will have to do it again for the two "expansions", and for SC3, and so on.)
2. Since SC2 doesn't have LAN, these organisations are now completely at Blizzard's mercy. Blizzard now has the power to pull the plug on Proleague or any other event, without having to go to the Korean courts. With Brood War, the situation was different. After Blizzard backed out of the lawsuit, it was theirs to do whatever they wanted with it. That's a pretty big thing they gave away. I hope for their sake that the relationship doesn't sour, and that Blizzard doesn't decide to change the deal.
Overall, it's clear to me why Kespa and OGN did it. It's right there in the statement: international exposure. They are likely to get it, but the risks they are taking seem immense to me.
It is a huge change, and if handled correctly and professionally it will be a huge step forward.
I understand your concerns completely, I can see how if it was to go sour it would destroy an entire industry that's been over 10 years in the making.
One thing that's clear for me is that if there are disputes amongst the united organisations it would no doubt be fixed without any underlying injustice. All of these organisations care about esports and, being a business, also care about money and the industry. I'm sure that Blizzard (as well as the other parties involved) won't impose such a dictatorial attitude due to the fact that success for ALL of the organisations means success for each of them, if they hurt their partners then in turn they hurt themselves.
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So we're actually going to soon witness the last professional televised BW match. What a moment that will be. The final gg. The most bittersweet moment ever. If the commentators aren't crying by the end of it I will be severely disappointed.
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As exited as i am... i'm sorry, but i can't get past that the gom representative has the name "being sick"...
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Feels so weird that litterally everything hangs in the balance this very second.
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I feel like this is yesterday's news since it has been rumored and discussed to death already.
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On May 02 2012 23:04 SC_Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 22:55 GeLaar wrote:
I can't believe Blizzard pulled this off. I can't believe the Korean e-sports organisations let themselves get into a situation where Blizzard has them by the balls.
OGN and Kespa are taking some pretty big risks:
1. They might alienate their Korean fans - there is only one game that every Korean grew up knowing, and they're turing their backs on it and saying "Hey, let's have millions of people switch to this other game!". I'm curious to see if this will work, and if it does, how many times it will work (because they will have to do it again for the two "expansions", and for SC3, and so on.)
2. Since SC2 doesn't have LAN, these organisations are now completely at Blizzard's mercy. Blizzard now has the power to pull the plug on Proleague or any other event, without having to go to the Korean courts. With Brood War, the situation was different. After Blizzard backed out of the lawsuit, it was theirs to do whatever they wanted with it. That's a pretty big thing they gave away. I hope for their sake that the relationship doesn't sour, and that Blizzard doesn't decide to change the deal.
Overall, it's clear to me why Kespa and OGN did it. It's right there in the statement: international exposure. They are likely to get it, but the risks they are taking seem immense to me. It is a huge change, and if handled correctly and professionally it will be a huge step forward. I understand your concerns completely, I can see how if it was to go sour it would destroy an entire industry that's been over 10 years in the making. One thing that's clear for me is that if there are disputes amongst the united organisations it would no doubt be fixed without any underlying injustice. All of these organisations care about esports and, being a business, also care about money and the industry. I'm sure that Blizzard (as well as the other parties involved) won't impose such a dictatorial attitude due to the fact that success for ALL of the organisations means success for each of them, if they hurt their partners then in turn they hurt themselves.
No, blizzard does not care about esport. Otherwise they wouldn't have tried to kill BW so badly. So far they have shown they're too incompetent to fix sc2, so I hope what they did will bite them in the ass. They're becoming the new EA, screw them...
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Thank you for your hard work, Waxangel!
On May 02 2012 11:45 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +[11:25] Will the Proleague/OSL be SC2 only or SC1 & SC2?
Mr. Lee: Officially speaking, Proleague season 2 will begin on 3rd week of May, and it will be both SC1 and SC2. We are still looking into the details of the format that can satisfy both SC1 and SC2 fans. We will probably announce the details by 2nd week of May. For OSL, the new season will begin on October, and it will be a complete transition to SC2. We are still discussing about the requirement of Proleague players. Since it will be both SC1 and 2, it will be hard to change SC1 players to SC2 players in terms of certification. By October, SC1 will vanish and everything will move to SC2. GSTL players is discussing this matter with GomTV and we will discuss with them as well. http://esfiworld.com/news/live-updates-starcraft-2-e-sports-vision-press-conference
This is it then? The Golden Decade of BW will finish in October? Words cannot describe how sad and down i feel right now 
Watching the SKPlanet S1 Proleague and the latest ODT have been a heartwrencing experience with the overall quality of games that happened (ODT, I'm looking at you)
Makes me wish that Jinair OSL was the last one with how the storylines unfolded and the quality of finals. I do not know how some BW fans (me included) will bear to watch the mixed proleague - indeed a few veterans end their Korean BW experience (Konadora for one). Past two years have been massive fun, but SC2 did not capture my heart the way BW does.
At the very least please keep the BW subforum separate in the post-October world, the thought of it gone for good is terryfying.
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this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did
This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc.
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Oh my god! Chills man that's crazy!!
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On May 02 2012 23:44 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:04 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 22:55 GeLaar wrote:
I can't believe Blizzard pulled this off. I can't believe the Korean e-sports organisations let themselves get into a situation where Blizzard has them by the balls.
OGN and Kespa are taking some pretty big risks:
1. They might alienate their Korean fans - there is only one game that every Korean grew up knowing, and they're turing their backs on it and saying "Hey, let's have millions of people switch to this other game!". I'm curious to see if this will work, and if it does, how many times it will work (because they will have to do it again for the two "expansions", and for SC3, and so on.)
2. Since SC2 doesn't have LAN, these organisations are now completely at Blizzard's mercy. Blizzard now has the power to pull the plug on Proleague or any other event, without having to go to the Korean courts. With Brood War, the situation was different. After Blizzard backed out of the lawsuit, it was theirs to do whatever they wanted with it. That's a pretty big thing they gave away. I hope for their sake that the relationship doesn't sour, and that Blizzard doesn't decide to change the deal.
Overall, it's clear to me why Kespa and OGN did it. It's right there in the statement: international exposure. They are likely to get it, but the risks they are taking seem immense to me. It is a huge change, and if handled correctly and professionally it will be a huge step forward. I understand your concerns completely, I can see how if it was to go sour it would destroy an entire industry that's been over 10 years in the making. One thing that's clear for me is that if there are disputes amongst the united organisations it would no doubt be fixed without any underlying injustice. All of these organisations care about esports and, being a business, also care about money and the industry. I'm sure that Blizzard (as well as the other parties involved) won't impose such a dictatorial attitude due to the fact that success for ALL of the organisations means success for each of them, if they hurt their partners then in turn they hurt themselves. No, blizzard does not care about esport. Otherwise they wouldn't have tried to kill BW so badly. So far they have shown they're too incompetent to fix sc2, so I hope what they did will bite them in the ass. They're becoming the new EA, screw them...
That's an interesting opinion. It has left me wondering, If they didn't care about esports why would they take part in this union?
Surely if esports promotes their game, then esports is something worth investing time and resources into since it makes them more money, right? So that means they must care about esports because of their investments.
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On May 02 2012 22:48 SC_Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 22:11 fabiano wrote:On May 02 2012 18:23 SC_Ghost wrote:
I actually think Kespa still have too much of a Korean-centric focus going forward with SC2. When they were asked about foreign events, Kespa responded with "The main reason we switched to SC II was to put Korea forth as the motherland of esports." I can't see foreigners at Starleague within the next 2 years at least, and that's a huge push that I doubt it will ever happen, whereas I can see OGN conforming with GOMs approach with a more inviting league to foreigners. Why do foreigners want everything so easy for them? I fucking hate it. If they want to be good enough to play in SPL, it's their own job to go out there and make themselves known as fucking good players. If they are good I doubt any korean SPL team wouldn't hire them. This is fucking bullshit. Why should korean leagues be more inviting to foreigners? They should be welcoming the best players in the world, and only them. If it happens that all the best players in the world are koreans, too bad for foreigners. Happens that we are in a foreigner community and many people in it are so narrow minded that they feel "our" players should deserve a place in whatever korean league is created just because they are foreigners. If you want to play in the best tournament, you have to be the best, just because you are white (or black, or whatever other race) doesn't give you the right to claim a place in such leagues. "But mommy SPL happens in Korea, I can't play on same foot as the koreans, that's unfair!1!!". Well, fuck you. If you want to play in Korean leagues, go fucking live in Korea. "But I can't, too expensive, cultures too different, language barrier!1!!", fuck you again, the leagues happen in Korea, deal with it. You can't? Too bad, no SPL/OSL for you. The passport to korean leagues is your own fucking skills, not the fucking race you are. Perhaps you've interpreted my post in a way I didn't attempt it to be perceived, I take full responsibility for that and I hope you accept my apology. But if we look at every Professional Gaming Competition that's considered of substantial, professional Merit (Such as MLG, IPL, GSL, DH, etc.) they are all inviting a global competition: MLG and IPL invites European and Asian players as well as their 'native' American players; DH does the same, and GSL too. It's established that way so that the global competitive scene grows, not each individual league/nation. It promotes growth across the board, which can only be a good thing. I have no quarrels with Korea being the home of the best skilled players, it promotes Korean skill-level and makes an impression when a foreigner reaches that level, and like you said: the good enough foreigners will make their own way there. But there's a difference between being inviting of Global Professional Gaming and positioning yourself above that, which (and I don't mean to offend anybody, I'm sorry if I do) I feel is the stance Kespa looks as though they have taken. They have been very critical of themselves with announcing their position to not be undermining of the global competitive scene, but they haven't positioned a stance with embracing it either; which just leaves me personally in an awkward place, thinking: Are they embracing Global Competition, or just acknowledging that it exists? Either outcome leads to a very different growth of e-sports, both of which the community can perceive to have a negative impact, but which is the lesser of two evils? EDIT: Just to add: I didn't mean the Korean league need to be inviting of foreigners, of course the foreigners have to earn their place, but I am afraid of the 'new' Korean leagues not embracing the Global scene. I don't want people to confuse Global and Foreign, as a global scene does and should involve the Korean scene.
How dare Kespa treat foriegners like koreans and require them to EARN a pro gaming licence.
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notice how KeSPA never mentioned anything about globalization just about the korean scene
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On May 02 2012 23:58 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 22:48 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 22:11 fabiano wrote:On May 02 2012 18:23 SC_Ghost wrote:
I actually think Kespa still have too much of a Korean-centric focus going forward with SC2. When they were asked about foreign events, Kespa responded with "The main reason we switched to SC II was to put Korea forth as the motherland of esports." I can't see foreigners at Starleague within the next 2 years at least, and that's a huge push that I doubt it will ever happen, whereas I can see OGN conforming with GOMs approach with a more inviting league to foreigners. Why do foreigners want everything so easy for them? I fucking hate it. If they want to be good enough to play in SPL, it's their own job to go out there and make themselves known as fucking good players. If they are good I doubt any korean SPL team wouldn't hire them. This is fucking bullshit. Why should korean leagues be more inviting to foreigners? They should be welcoming the best players in the world, and only them. If it happens that all the best players in the world are koreans, too bad for foreigners. Happens that we are in a foreigner community and many people in it are so narrow minded that they feel "our" players should deserve a place in whatever korean league is created just because they are foreigners. If you want to play in the best tournament, you have to be the best, just because you are white (or black, or whatever other race) doesn't give you the right to claim a place in such leagues. "But mommy SPL happens in Korea, I can't play on same foot as the koreans, that's unfair!1!!". Well, fuck you. If you want to play in Korean leagues, go fucking live in Korea. "But I can't, too expensive, cultures too different, language barrier!1!!", fuck you again, the leagues happen in Korea, deal with it. You can't? Too bad, no SPL/OSL for you. The passport to korean leagues is your own fucking skills, not the fucking race you are. Perhaps you've interpreted my post in a way I didn't attempt it to be perceived, I take full responsibility for that and I hope you accept my apology. But if we look at every Professional Gaming Competition that's considered of substantial, professional Merit (Such as MLG, IPL, GSL, DH, etc.) they are all inviting a global competition: MLG and IPL invites European and Asian players as well as their 'native' American players; DH does the same, and GSL too. It's established that way so that the global competitive scene grows, not each individual league/nation. It promotes growth across the board, which can only be a good thing. I have no quarrels with Korea being the home of the best skilled players, it promotes Korean skill-level and makes an impression when a foreigner reaches that level, and like you said: the good enough foreigners will make their own way there. But there's a difference between being inviting of Global Professional Gaming and positioning yourself above that, which (and I don't mean to offend anybody, I'm sorry if I do) I feel is the stance Kespa looks as though they have taken. They have been very critical of themselves with announcing their position to not be undermining of the global competitive scene, but they haven't positioned a stance with embracing it either; which just leaves me personally in an awkward place, thinking: Are they embracing Global Competition, or just acknowledging that it exists? Either outcome leads to a very different growth of e-sports, both of which the community can perceive to have a negative impact, but which is the lesser of two evils? EDIT: Just to add: I didn't mean the Korean league need to be inviting of foreigners, of course the foreigners have to earn their place, but I am afraid of the 'new' Korean leagues not embracing the Global scene. I don't want people to confuse Global and Foreign, as a global scene does and should involve the Korean scene. How dare Kespa treat foriegners like koreans and require them to EARN a pro gaming licence.
You've mis-interpreted my post. I made it very clear of my intentions, so I'm sorry that you have perceived the post in the way you did and came to your conclusion, however you are entirely at fault with your response as I'm unaware of how much more clear I could put my post to explain that this is not something that is up for debate here.
I agree that they should earn their spot, I even stated it.
If you truly care about this discussion, re-read my post and try to make sense of it, I clarified the point as much as possible.
On May 03 2012 00:01 Dice17 wrote:
notice how KeSPA never mentioned anything about globalization just about the korean scene
This is exactly what I mean.
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On May 02 2012 23:58 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 22:48 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 22:11 fabiano wrote:On May 02 2012 18:23 SC_Ghost wrote:
I actually think Kespa still have too much of a Korean-centric focus going forward with SC2. When they were asked about foreign events, Kespa responded with "The main reason we switched to SC II was to put Korea forth as the motherland of esports." I can't see foreigners at Starleague within the next 2 years at least, and that's a huge push that I doubt it will ever happen, whereas I can see OGN conforming with GOMs approach with a more inviting league to foreigners. Why do foreigners want everything so easy for them? I fucking hate it. If they want to be good enough to play in SPL, it's their own job to go out there and make themselves known as fucking good players. If they are good I doubt any korean SPL team wouldn't hire them. This is fucking bullshit. Why should korean leagues be more inviting to foreigners? They should be welcoming the best players in the world, and only them. If it happens that all the best players in the world are koreans, too bad for foreigners. Happens that we are in a foreigner community and many people in it are so narrow minded that they feel "our" players should deserve a place in whatever korean league is created just because they are foreigners. If you want to play in the best tournament, you have to be the best, just because you are white (or black, or whatever other race) doesn't give you the right to claim a place in such leagues. "But mommy SPL happens in Korea, I can't play on same foot as the koreans, that's unfair!1!!". Well, fuck you. If you want to play in Korean leagues, go fucking live in Korea. "But I can't, too expensive, cultures too different, language barrier!1!!", fuck you again, the leagues happen in Korea, deal with it. You can't? Too bad, no SPL/OSL for you. The passport to korean leagues is your own fucking skills, not the fucking race you are. Perhaps you've interpreted my post in a way I didn't attempt it to be perceived, I take full responsibility for that and I hope you accept my apology. But if we look at every Professional Gaming Competition that's considered of substantial, professional Merit (Such as MLG, IPL, GSL, DH, etc.) they are all inviting a global competition: MLG and IPL invites European and Asian players as well as their 'native' American players; DH does the same, and GSL too. It's established that way so that the global competitive scene grows, not each individual league/nation. It promotes growth across the board, which can only be a good thing. I have no quarrels with Korea being the home of the best skilled players, it promotes Korean skill-level and makes an impression when a foreigner reaches that level, and like you said: the good enough foreigners will make their own way there. But there's a difference between being inviting of Global Professional Gaming and positioning yourself above that, which (and I don't mean to offend anybody, I'm sorry if I do) I feel is the stance Kespa looks as though they have taken. They have been very critical of themselves with announcing their position to not be undermining of the global competitive scene, but they haven't positioned a stance with embracing it either; which just leaves me personally in an awkward place, thinking: Are they embracing Global Competition, or just acknowledging that it exists? Either outcome leads to a very different growth of e-sports, both of which the community can perceive to have a negative impact, but which is the lesser of two evils? EDIT: Just to add: I didn't mean the Korean league need to be inviting of foreigners, of course the foreigners have to earn their place, but I am afraid of the 'new' Korean leagues not embracing the Global scene. I don't want people to confuse Global and Foreign, as a global scene does and should involve the Korean scene. How dare Kespa treat foriegners like koreans and require them to EARN a pro gaming licence.
Exactly, the GOM process to foreigners is cool and all but imagine if you are a Korean and some white guy gets an invitation to Code A and then proceeds to get utterly destroyed in the first round, it could have been one of the Code B Closet Gosus who had that spot!
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On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc.
While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated.
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On May 02 2012 21:39 k1mjee wrote:
It's e-sports or e-sports, not eSports. The "e" means electronic, why is the S always capitalized? That drives me INSANE.
We don't say eMail do we? We say e-mail or email.
It's actually ESPORTS because fuck yeah. Also, this is some interesting news and I can't wait for more details.
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On May 03 2012 00:03 SC_Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 23:58 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 02 2012 22:48 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 22:11 fabiano wrote:On May 02 2012 18:23 SC_Ghost wrote:
I actually think Kespa still have too much of a Korean-centric focus going forward with SC2. When they were asked about foreign events, Kespa responded with "The main reason we switched to SC II was to put Korea forth as the motherland of esports." I can't see foreigners at Starleague within the next 2 years at least, and that's a huge push that I doubt it will ever happen, whereas I can see OGN conforming with GOMs approach with a more inviting league to foreigners. Why do foreigners want everything so easy for them? I fucking hate it. If they want to be good enough to play in SPL, it's their own job to go out there and make themselves known as fucking good players. If they are good I doubt any korean SPL team wouldn't hire them. This is fucking bullshit. Why should korean leagues be more inviting to foreigners? They should be welcoming the best players in the world, and only them. If it happens that all the best players in the world are koreans, too bad for foreigners. Happens that we are in a foreigner community and many people in it are so narrow minded that they feel "our" players should deserve a place in whatever korean league is created just because they are foreigners. If you want to play in the best tournament, you have to be the best, just because you are white (or black, or whatever other race) doesn't give you the right to claim a place in such leagues. "But mommy SPL happens in Korea, I can't play on same foot as the koreans, that's unfair!1!!". Well, fuck you. If you want to play in Korean leagues, go fucking live in Korea. "But I can't, too expensive, cultures too different, language barrier!1!!", fuck you again, the leagues happen in Korea, deal with it. You can't? Too bad, no SPL/OSL for you. The passport to korean leagues is your own fucking skills, not the fucking race you are. Perhaps you've interpreted my post in a way I didn't attempt it to be perceived, I take full responsibility for that and I hope you accept my apology. But if we look at every Professional Gaming Competition that's considered of substantial, professional Merit (Such as MLG, IPL, GSL, DH, etc.) they are all inviting a global competition: MLG and IPL invites European and Asian players as well as their 'native' American players; DH does the same, and GSL too. It's established that way so that the global competitive scene grows, not each individual league/nation. It promotes growth across the board, which can only be a good thing. I have no quarrels with Korea being the home of the best skilled players, it promotes Korean skill-level and makes an impression when a foreigner reaches that level, and like you said: the good enough foreigners will make their own way there. But there's a difference between being inviting of Global Professional Gaming and positioning yourself above that, which (and I don't mean to offend anybody, I'm sorry if I do) I feel is the stance Kespa looks as though they have taken. They have been very critical of themselves with announcing their position to not be undermining of the global competitive scene, but they haven't positioned a stance with embracing it either; which just leaves me personally in an awkward place, thinking: Are they embracing Global Competition, or just acknowledging that it exists? Either outcome leads to a very different growth of e-sports, both of which the community can perceive to have a negative impact, but which is the lesser of two evils? EDIT: Just to add: I didn't mean the Korean league need to be inviting of foreigners, of course the foreigners have to earn their place, but I am afraid of the 'new' Korean leagues not embracing the Global scene. I don't want people to confuse Global and Foreign, as a global scene does and should involve the Korean scene. How dare Kespa treat foriegners like koreans and require them to EARN a pro gaming licence. You've mis-interpreted my post. I made it very clear of my intentions, so I'm sorry that you have perceived the post in the way you did and came to your conclusion, however you are entirely at fault with your response as I'm unaware of how much more clear I could put my post to explain that this is not something that is up for debate here. I agree that they should earn their spot, I even stated it. If you truly care about this discussion, re-read my post and try to make sense of it, I clarified the point as much as possible. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 00:01 Dice17 wrote:
notice how KeSPA never mentioned anything about globalization just about the korean scene This is exactly what I mean.
This is the part that seems contradictory
They have been very critical of themselves with announcing their position to not be undermining of the global competitive scene, but they haven't positioned a stance with embracing it either; which just leaves me personally in an awkward place, thinking: Are they embracing Global Competition, or just acknowledging that it exists?
Contary to popular belief in sc2 forums Kespa never hindered foriengers (Idra and co.). If people want to play in one of the most prestigeous BW(soon to be sc2) league they have to apply and go through trials. I don't support this bs of inviting people. Show matches sure go nuts but anything else would disgrace the LEAGUE.
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On May 02 2012 22:03 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 19:29 I_like_hydras wrote:On May 02 2012 19:21 valaki wrote:On May 02 2012 18:50 TaeTae wrote:
I see many people living in the past. BW is an old game. It can't carry esports anymore. Change needed to happen. You realise that esports will never considered to be a real sport if even one game can't stay consistent, right? If games come and go every 5-10 years people can't build their future on them thus not producing high enough games. Don't you thing kicking a ball is outdated? Or throwing one? I mean cmon. e-sports are different from actual sports.Broodwar is a great game,but as the guy above said it can't live forever.Maybe because it's old or it has "shitty graphics" or whatever.I don't see how you can bring new people to e-sports by showing them Broodwar. Seems a lot of people mistake eSports for competitive gaming.
Or maybe other people mistake eSports for game marketing. Without a strong competitive foundation the "sports" part becomes a farce (see: wrestling).
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SC2 has potential. But, only if Blizzard really take into consideration the visual appeal of SC2. PAr t of the magic of SCBW was that you could actually see crap happen. Unfortunately, In SC2 everything is either blobbed by FG, covered by Medivacs/Vikings, or Blinded by mass Collosi and an unclear Storm radius that does not match its actual image.
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