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Aven
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands392 Posts
November 15 2011 10:12 GMT
#141
I just noticed MC dead on the ground lol
Nice article


Spetsnazer
Profile Joined October 2011
France10 Posts
November 15 2011 10:15 GMT
#142
Pretty dam long but just as amazing to read. Great article ! This deserves to be translated in French/German/Russian. It gives a good sense of the passion about the game and would help promote it, imo.
Oh and you can bet Stephano will love that first pic ^^
The trolls here are so beautifully naive.
Gamer & Graphic artist. Helping out Stephano and ZergLair.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
November 15 2011 10:16 GMT
#143
0-6 GSL

that's all I have to say to this article
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1708 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:17:49
November 15 2011 10:17 GMT
#144
The most obvious answer as to "how can top foreigners take games off not-quite-top koreans?", is that there isn't enough of a variety of skills available within the game at a top level, to seperate most of the very good players. As a result, it's harder for the Koreans to be that much better than everyone else, because the skillset just isn't available within the game. That's my take, and I'm surprised nobody has noted or considered this yet.
EleGant[AoV]
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
November 15 2011 10:20 GMT
#145
thx for my new desktop wallpaper rofl
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
tiaz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden231 Posts
November 15 2011 10:20 GMT
#146
Sorry, but I don't agree much with this article, it speaks against itself until the point that it really doesn't say anything (korean training is great but it might not matter even though everyone who's tried it says its superior but in the end it's up to the players but only if they've done training that is or emulates korean training?).

Alot of words to say basically nothing. Although its all very well written "technically" and edited - the message is just too unclear. I love treehugger as much as anyone, but this article I didn't like.

If nothing else, to little time has passed to not being able to make the counterargument that this holy october was nothing more than a fluke.
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." - Iloveoov
ggsnipes
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia68 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:23:23
November 15 2011 10:21 GMT
#147
If you look closely at the picture you can see Huk and IdrA on there :D but Stephano is the most obvious to notice.

Oh and oGsMC and another Korean.
mash
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
November 15 2011 10:22 GMT
#148
On November 15 2011 19:10 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:44 BrosephBrostar wrote:
On November 15 2011 18:29 Velr wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:43 BrosephBrostar wrote:
The idea that winning is the direct result of hard work is something that makes Starcraft seem like a legitimate sport. Claiming that you can win with mentality like some kind of Saturday morning cartoon only makes the game seem like a fraud. By winning these tournaments Idra et al. are killing esports.


And it's still not true in TONS of sports.

Is Usain Bolt really training that much more or trying that much harder then everyone else? No, he isn't.
Is/was Michael Phelps just working harder to Swim the fastest? Don't be kidding.
Is Messi the best Football player because he trains more? For sure not.

Talent and Mentaility are BIG and important things that often outdo raw work ethic.


I don't think any Olympic champion would agree that state of mind can make up for training and effort.


I don't think any would disagree.
Why do people have "offdays" when not being ill and in theoretically perfect physical shape?
Why is the best Skier that dominated the whole season suddenly failing at the most important event?

Sorry... "Hard Work" is important... But it's not everything, by far not...

Yeah, the best guys on average train as much as they should/can whiteout hurting themselves... Are they all training the best/smartest way of all the atlethes? Some probably do, others for sure don't but still win more or do way better than they "should".



Competition just doesn't work that way. Good state of mind can make a good athlete better, but it won't make someone who doesn't work hard a winner. This isn't a question of training efficiently, it's comparing people who train in a professional environment to people who practice by playing against amateurs for a few hours a day.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:25:42
November 15 2011 10:23 GMT
#149
Read the first half already.... this is awesome lol. I love the Art-Work... and write-up

LOL just noticed Puma and MC dead on the Ground.. you guys know no bounds lol! Celebrate Foreigners victory!
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
November 15 2011 10:24 GMT
#150
I really enjoyed reading this, and I welcome the contrasting opinion to the conventional view of the Korean practice regimen as the cause of the difference in skill between Koreans and foreigners, your point of view loses a bit of credibility in the face of + Show Spoiler +
Huk's gigantic mental collapse in GSL Ro16 today
Phenrock
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
November 15 2011 10:37 GMT
#151
Great article!

Stephano is a target now, people will aim to beat him, like people aim to beat IdrA and Huk.

I feel as though all of them are a bit overconfident with themselves and can underestimate their opponents a lot. So will lose to random players here and there. The haters always come out after that, it's annoying but it comes with any sport.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
November 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#152
nice article =)
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 15 2011 10:57 GMT
#153
those graphics r rly cool, simple but amazing
why so 진지해?
chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:58:56
November 15 2011 10:57 GMT
#154
The october revolution was the takeover of the Bolsheviks in Russia in 1917.
OP does not make sense. Should be a pic of Stephano as Lenin.



http://twitter.com/lechocopaw
carrion
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom87 Posts
November 15 2011 11:02 GMT
#155
You could not have made me more hyped for MLG providence. I hope your optimism is justified and we see a foreigner victory again.
Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
November 15 2011 11:06 GMT
#156
Love the Idra picture, lolol

But on average I'd say korean practice routine results in better players. Shown by where the best players are, where the highest average pro-gamer skill level lies. Average korean pro is better than average foreigner pro. Seen by games that don't have huk steph idra in it. Such general ideas you proposed can't be defined by exceptions.

Not downplaying stephano huk and idra at all. They are the exceptions that are so well known and so good in comparison that by making such claims you're basically saying "be like steph = winning" because it's very possible that a lot of foreigners behave in similar fashions anyways. Also you can't say idra without considering the permanent experience of having been on estro.

And you can talk about mindset variance but huk's improvement in korea overall reflects korean practice environment... Same has been seen with drewbie and qxc. Rain's decline since departing as well. I don't think enough credit is given to how much exactly the koreans practice. Maybe you're right, maybe people who play 3 hours a day on ladder can beat people who play 8 hours a day with practice partners. But that sounds disgusting. Moreover, it's false. Most of the time.

+ Show Spoiler +

The actual article... Dude...
the evidence is clear—the argument that foreign players must play for more time and in more Korean-like settings to beat the Koreans is a myth.

sensationalist nonsense at this point

a few non-korean tournaments is good enough evidence to say that practicing in korea with such mindsets means nothing?
+ Show Spoiler +

For every example of foreigner domination I could give examples of foreigner failure
... Code A? I had higher expectations :{
Stephano < Boxer floating how much? Want to know how I think boxer won that game after playing terribly day1?
Idra did beat bomber, but bomber went marines g3 which I cannot get over. Also, he's a chokemaster and his TvZ not so hot when compounded with that. (Bomber<Moon, haha...) Idra also lost to a korean.
Didn't Polt < foreigners?
MKP PvT worst, Huk PvT best matchup. Koreans aren't gods and we've known that.

I don't see how you can make such huge claims when your basis is made up of exceptions. I would've agreed with you had this phase lasted for three or four months, but really this looks like a lot of ingroup-outgroup business and the posts support this, as expected :p

HuK is the only consistent foreigner on long-term measurement as he has proven himself as of recent (past 2 seasons) to be able to stay in a mostly-korean tournament (losing to mvp, even nestea does that).
ESWC... Does MKP have really bad vision? A weak point. Just mentioning it.

Giving the idea that practicing less is better was a bad way of going about the theme of this post. Practice smarter is fine. Practicing less? If you're one in a million eg stephano yeah sure go ahead and be like that, but that's not going to work for the 99%. That includes pro-gamers.


Also the picture might be in a slightly bad taste, (would you post this on ggplay?) but I'm overreacting most likely, seriously. I thought the guy in the white on the left was a fallen frenchman and should be a fellow foreigner downed in combat :<
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
November 15 2011 11:11 GMT
#157
I am liking these articles a lot but if I should critisize one thing it is the very narrow scope of research that is evident in the article.
IM.Nestea | IM.MvP | MvP.DongRaeGu. | Genius | ST.Parting I SlayerS.MMA
DiamondTear
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland165 Posts
November 15 2011 11:15 GMT
#158
On November 15 2011 15:47 Shinkaii wrote:
Stephano has some great boobies :o


Oh, internet, why do you still surprise me...
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
November 15 2011 11:23 GMT
#159
Really nice article, especially the images.

The first is that the team house has the best access to the North American server, by far the weakest of the three major servers, with a skill level at the top that might be something like low masters league in Korea.


Didn't think you'd be this harsh
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 15 2011 11:27 GMT
#160
Nice Graphics O.o

Also TheMarine(OGN commentator) said during a WCG game that he thinks Stephano is a genius.
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