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dekatrion
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Brazil21 Posts
November 19 2011 02:18 GMT
#381
On November 17 2011 21:11 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 20:17 kinglemon wrote:
On November 17 2011 12:02 cLutZ wrote:
I really have to question anyone who thinks it is wise to practice 8+ hours a day. Most scientific studies show terrible diminishing returns after 4 hours of intense practice in any field.


why are all bw gosus players that train 8+ a day ?
ur statement seems stupid.
there are a lot of fields where the best of the best train more than 4 hours.
maybe u just meant more then 4 hours straight without pausing.

Yeah, it's 4 hours without pausing. I take breaks from guitar practice every 30 minutes, for a couple of minutes only. This means i can practice at least 7 hours each day, and effectively.

There is always a law of diminishing returns when it comes to excellence. The higher you go, the harder it is to improve even slightly. This kind of article which pops up now and then seems more like propaganda than anything else, in a "Believe in what we are selling!" kind of way. It's absolutely hilarious to me that at the start of SC2 people were thinking "foreigners now have an even footing, in BW we were just late to the party, not our fault". I said it was rubbish, and that Koreans would overtake soon enough. Now people are trying to make businesses out of the idea, even while it fades away as quickly as it was imagined- all that's left is to try and sustain it on the occasional glimmer of hope.

And no article is going to make it otherwise. Though having said that, people seem to love being told what to think/given excuses/false hope/weird theories that less=more. Probably because many can apply it to their own lives and take belief that they don't have to work that hard (ie slogging for hours on end to achieve something truly remarkable), because here, someone is telling you that other people can do it because they're just smarter than all those who work harder than them.

No wonder good writers are sought after. It's them making the money, generating the hits for TL. It's certainly not the game, or the players...


Perfectly said, and it also complements what I said earlier. This article is purely based on emotional reaction to some good results (to the foreigners) and tries to overextend it to a flawed sense of "epicness" of foreigner paying back with its less but smarter practice model. It didn't occur to me thou that it would be a commercial trick, to attract more hits, since I've seen this very same argument since broodwar a long time ago while TL was not near as important as today and it only sounded to me as the customary western arrogance over other cultures/countries, but it's a good point.

Also makes a good point noting that this could be actually just what people wanted to read at this point in time. Very opportunistic. And to judge from the number of posts actually talking only about the picture, not anything near about what the text tries to say, it's definitely valid point and valid to believe it worked well.
"Fixed a bug where Terran players were able to lose a game." -- SC2 Patch 1.4.11 changelog
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
November 19 2011 06:56 GMT
#382
this was a great write up and i had chills reading it =DD
SpunXtain
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia165 Posts
November 19 2011 12:32 GMT
#383
I've gota say this article is slightly over the top - very overdone writing style in my opinion. Its like hes trying to write an assignment.

Anyway, koreans are still quite a mile ahead overall. Yes, foreigners can take games here and there - same was a platinum can take games off a diamond, or a masters can take games off a grandmaster. Still doesn't mean that a master belongs in the grandmaster category.

The overall skill level of the best foreigners is still well below that of their korean counterparts. But hopefully it will narrow.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
November 19 2011 16:05 GMT
#384
I don't agree with Idra being in these discussions. Sure, he won IEM Guangzhou but that competition had extremely lackluster players to say the least, it was by no means a major event.

Otherwise, good write-up.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
November 21 2011 16:01 GMT
#385
Nice read as usual.
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
November 21 2011 18:55 GMT
#386
Me gusta @_@ French revolution ftw
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
Svennedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium86 Posts
November 21 2011 19:47 GMT
#387
starcraft 2 just in general needs less skill, not as much micro required compared to broodwar, which makes the skill cap much lower for the game in general. this is why stephano can perform so well (:
VeniVidiViciW
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands20 Posts
November 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#388
very nice article, enjoyed reading it
synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 11:17:13
November 22 2011 11:16 GMT
#389
I feel sad for Stephano. He gets the man boobs while IdrA and HuK look like true ballers with these hats
TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
November 22 2011 14:17 GMT
#390
Picture (headlining one) absolutely makes the thread. I will say though that this is eloquently written as always, thanks TL!
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Vinski
Profile Joined November 2010
505 Posts
November 22 2011 17:46 GMT
#391
I think that the team house for Evil Geniuses is a great success they seem to be practicing a lot more than other pro's and are getting more into the game. As you can see with some of them taking a shot and going to Korea. Otherwise enjoyed reading it.
"Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"
grimonce
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland28 Posts
November 23 2011 15:00 GMT
#392
Great article, I was going to quit sc2 , due to my weak mentality, but now my moods up and I think I can play some more, and actually focus on focusing.. instead of bashing mechanical keyboard keys ....
think and keep cool
thegiantnome
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States125 Posts
November 23 2011 22:09 GMT
#393
IdrAs back and I couldn't be happier. I love IdrA and wil always love IdrA he is one of the best foreigners and certainly capable of beating koreans. A lot of people criticize IdrA but he beat hongun, bomber,boxer,huk. All these great players. There is no doubt in my mind that IdrA is code s level and might have a chance at winning gel maybe just once but maybe more. God bless IdrA and God bless Starcraft 2!!!
Today is a great day to forget all your problems and create bigger new ones- Dane Cook
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