EPTOctober Revolution - Page 18
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zergtat
Hong Kong853 Posts
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Kudoku
United States68 Posts
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
. in guangzhou he was really lucky to make it out of the group. no koreans in that group and only 1 win. his mentality training book did not help anything at that point and usually he's out of the tournament with his results and no one will talk positive about him. only real impressive game was then against puma, his teammate, where he probably knows some leaks in his game, which he could benefit from. still great performance, but puma has still not fully shown that he is a consistest top of the top korean. mlg orlando idra had a easy group. only top player was mkp, which he lost to. idra than almost got knocked by boxer cheesing him even though he had 2 wins advantage. then only really impressive result was against bomber. however, against mc nothing changed. he still could not overcome him, even though he had the mentality book, and mc is still not at the prime level he once was. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On November 16 2011 14:02 Kudoku wrote: lol.. why was iloveoov's quote in here? It's not true. Mind games aren't more valuable than skill. You beat mind games with scouting. You scout with skill. Case closed doods. how do you scout his mind? | ||
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Puppet_M
Finland12 Posts
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dkby
France28 Posts
The main flaw of your article is you don't explain this new phenomenon , while practicing less than their korean fellows they still win against them. For you it's only a concern of psychology. You truly think every other foreigners are sissies without any will ? I of course think it's wrong. The fact Koreans used to train a lot in Brood War is because the game was far less user friendly than SC2 is : terrible path-finding, 12 units max per control group, no smart casting, slower pace, etc. Those flaws could only be counter balanced by countless hours of training, which is not necessary today. In general, whatever the activity, only a good balance between practicing and thinking will provide the best results. It's what those 3 players do now, and that's why they win. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3721 Posts
Really nice article guys. Thank you, I am one of the biggest foreigner supporters. I love reading stuff like this! | ||
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brian2sk8t
United States192 Posts
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
Love this. | ||
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NineteenSC2
Canada117 Posts
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CapoOpen
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SpiritClown
Italy35 Posts
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XxMulexX
Canada57 Posts
I will need to see a lot more before I am ready to believe that the Koreans' practice schedule does not improve their play, especially since the correlation between practice and results is super obvious in every other competitive activity. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Huk won MLG based of pool play mostly and you have to consider he won pvp which is considered by everyone from the top korean to the low level NA pro to be luck based 90% if the 2 player are mechanically equal or close to equal ( see MC and HuK at IPL 3 ), the other 2 opponents of huk were MKP which did some gosu ( running rines up the ramp when huk had sentries ) moves and lost, was it due to him being tired or to him not being a "top korean" anymore its not up to me but its clearly not a huk over top korean victory.Then he defeated ThestC which is not a top korean in any way but rather someone who i just now advancing trough the ranks to become won... and the final was a pvp vs MC.... where Huk began 2-1... and MC tried to cannon rush.... yeah, that was not a victory over a top korean ether. Same with Idra, he beat exactly 1 top korean at mlg and that was Bomber which apparently is in a slump, he lost to both MKP and MC and managed to win 4-3 over Boxer "losing" 2-3 in his last series where boxer cheesed every game and he is known to chees every game vs better player in that kind of situation that he was in ( so Idra can play more chees prof vs him relaying on the fact that he is better overall ). Honestly il be amazed if there are more foreign ( or even if there is one foreign ) then koreans in top 6 of this MLG and il be mind blown if the final is not Nestea vs MVP. | ||
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dekatrion
Brazil21 Posts
Every activity has its high productivity education, training, executing and creating new talent cycle, and the foreigner SC (1 and 2) community is consistently trying to find its way out of the, as of today, best one in the world, which the Koreans forged through many years of research, trial and error and the irrefutable statistics abysmally favoring them. If the OP tries to make a point saying "there are alternatives to Korean model", then it looks only silly, because as much as it is obvious (you can almost always find different ways to be efficient), it also is obvious that it's too early to state such a thing. Where on Earth had these alternative models been proven? Is there enough statistical material to support it? Will these winning players be winning again in the future? Is the foreigner scene really consistently growing towards being as solid as Korea's? Before any ad hominem argument arises, of course I feel good that the whole world now is making into SC2 history books, not only Korea, but I cannot agree with TeamLiquid's constantly, I dare say, puerile hope to have the foreigner community look like a real competitive, efficient, solid contender to Korea's model, specially when it is fully loaded with that scent of "less but more intelligent work" that we often see in movies, but not in real life, where all skill and proficiency academic studies state that success is a result of a life dedicated to practicing (everyone knows the famous 10 thousand hours "rule"). Obviously, I'm not labeling the foreigners as eternal failures. I'm saying the OP's view is too romantic, and as I've been seeing this often pop up on TL (I'd personally see it as a rather arrogant attitude, saying in the underlines that Koreans are only robot training people), I really think they should start thinking more rationally and start seeing the foreigner scene as what it is: a ever growing thing, right now with more commercial appeal than before, but not really a sport. Not an industry, as it is on Korea. Eventually, if everything goes in that direction, and October results gives more stamina to it, the whole world will be on the same level as Korea, but until there, there's a hell lot of work to be done (since the whole world scale is bigger than the micro-universe of Seoul). | ||
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:02 cLutZ wrote: I really have to question anyone who thinks it is wise to practice 8+ hours a day. Most scientific studies show terrible diminishing returns after 4 hours of intense practice in any field. why are all bw gosus players that train 8+ a day ? ur statement seems stupid. there are a lot of fields where the best of the best train more than 4 hours. maybe u just meant more then 4 hours straight without pausing. | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
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