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Calvin[Deck]
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark88 Posts
November 15 2011 22:24 GMT
#321
On November 16 2011 06:20 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 05:03 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
O M G EPIC PHOTOSHOP 10/10


wait, what photoshop?


Have a closer look at the faces on the image.
Kraidio
Profile Joined May 2011
China133 Posts
November 15 2011 22:33 GMT
#322
On November 16 2011 07:24 Calvin[Deck] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 06:20 Cascade wrote:
On November 16 2011 05:03 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
O M G EPIC PHOTOSHOP 10/10


wait, what photoshop?


Have a closer look at the faces on the image.


I believe this is a humorous attempt at stating that the stated players are actually the caricatures in the pictures. Rest assured, they are not.
A man does what he must — in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers, and pressures — and that is the basis of all human morality.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 15 2011 22:58 GMT
#323
Well first off, yay IdrA/Huk/Stephano!

But on the other hand, I really think that all three could/have benefit(ed) from the Korean model. IdrA comes off a strong BW background and could really have been the best foreigner if he had the "eye of the tiger." Huk's mechanics grew from nothing as he didn't even come from a RTS background. And Stephano plays like Stephano, but if you give him a chance to play and saturate himself in a high quality environment to test his style more often, hell yes he will be beast.
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
November 15 2011 22:58 GMT
#324
Also add Dimaga to Gatored and Attero. Who would have thought that he would 2-0 one of the best PvZ in the world when his worst m/u is ZvP lol.
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 15 2011 23:14 GMT
#325
This is a superbly written piece with really great art.

two penny thoughts that appeared in my brain while reading:

1. You do dip your cap a little to it in the piece but it bears repeating; this is a small sample. A single month does not a (French or Russian) revolution make.

2. In your glance at the longer term...

On November 15 2011 15:43 tree.hugger wrote:
      Might the future look different? We might have good reason to desperately wish it will. At the heart of 'balance' in starcraft is a belief that the better, harder working, smarter player will always win. In challenging the idea that practice is what matters most of all in Starcraft 2, we open up the argument that Starcraft 2 is simply not as balanced a game as we wish to believe. That players who have put in less time, in less rigorous conditions can win is a threat to the basic premise of Starcraft 2 competition. This argument seems like too dramatic an overall conclusion after just a month of foreigner success. But it might be that we all have a stake in rooting for Koreans in the future, if only because it'll mean that practice is slowly starting to make perfect.


You say that Starcraft 2, in it's present state, might be broken in such a way as to render 8 hour a day practice a non-optimal winning strategy for a professional Starcraft 2 player. And that that might be an undesirable thing. The only way I can follow that logic, and I may be missing something, is if I assume that this means that the game is reaching a "solved" state. That watching a game of SC2, if it stays balanced as it is for much longer, would end up being like watching tic tak toe.

What other factor might be at play that can render 4 hours of practise a day as good as 8 hours if it's not solvability? Arguably it might be something more difficult to calculate; the creative capacity of the individual playing the game. His or her ability to synthesise and analyse data and think of a response to the game state, a strategy, which will improve winning chances. I'm not sure it's obvious that this skill can only be improved by practising the game, perhaps it can be improved by what you call the “Koran Mindset” but that that mindset is more than simple confidence, but a cluster of winning attitudes which can be strengthened by discipline and reading and ? That “Mindset skill cap” might have much higher limits than what might be called “The mechanical skill cap”. That the promise of the title is true, that it really is a craft and not just 8>4 maths.

3. Bit OT, so not really worth a penny, I'd love to see tree.hugger interview and write about grubby, a westerner who conquered korea. Though it may not end up being relevant to this conversation... It might.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
November 15 2011 23:14 GMT
#326
Really nice writeup! 9/10 ^_^
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 15 2011 23:20 GMT
#327
perfect
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Eviscerate Core
Profile Joined February 2011
United States36 Posts
November 15 2011 23:26 GMT
#328
That Photoshop is simply brilliant, and well done at that.
patronage
Profile Joined October 2011
Iraq123 Posts
November 15 2011 23:31 GMT
#329
excellent write up, really enjoyed reading it.

I can see you put a lot of work and thought into it.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
November 15 2011 23:41 GMT
#330
Great article. Love the carton pictures.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
November 16 2011 00:42 GMT
#331
On November 16 2011 07:33 Kraidio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 07:24 Calvin[Deck] wrote:
On November 16 2011 06:20 Cascade wrote:
On November 16 2011 05:03 Wrath 2.1 wrote:
O M G EPIC PHOTOSHOP 10/10


wait, what photoshop?


Have a closer look at the faces on the image.


I believe this is a humorous attempt at stating that the stated players are actually the caricatures in the pictures. Rest assured, they are not.


right, this kind of jokes doesn't really transfer well on forums, I always forget.
FrodoAndTheSlobStix
Profile Joined September 2011
United States158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 01:13:12
November 16 2011 01:03 GMT
#332
You eat meat? Then your evil. Simple as that.
Poyo
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada790 Posts
November 16 2011 01:33 GMT
#333
That photoshop is fucking fantastic, I just laughed my drink out of my nostrils lol.
Poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo!
Niten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States598 Posts
November 16 2011 01:34 GMT
#334
Good read. Thanks for putting this out. I can't believe that 14/32 of Code S will be at MLG. WHOA.
Korra: "Ok, I know that I'm not good at emotions, but that's what Tenzin's gonna teach me, right? He's gonna teach me to be happy and gentle and spiritual, and the rest of that bullsh**t."
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
November 16 2011 01:37 GMT
#335
On November 16 2011 01:34 n0btozz wrote:
Show nested quote +

So then Stephano is some kind of savant who learns twice as much from every game compared to other pros? Or does Huk have a learning disability that makes it so that he has to work twice as hard to improve to the same degree? There's no such thing as "natural ability" when it comes to learned skills.


Natural ability certainly exists. You should read up on it, for example twins given the same training, they don´t get to the same skill level. Some people are just born for sports, they have the body, the mindset and everything to become good, becoming as good and/or even better then some other people who do nothing but practice. But eventually, if one practices 10 hours and the other 2 hours, the one who practices 10 hours will catch up and surpass the naturally talented one.


The twins example just shows that natural ability doesn't exist. If there's no genetic advantage the only difference is dedication to improving.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
November 16 2011 01:38 GMT
#336
T_T wait you talked with the players about this article and then wrote it as a monologue...

that's not cool. why didn't you just interview them???
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StrinterN
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark531 Posts
November 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#337
Amazing and insightful post !! great read <3<3<3
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
November 16 2011 02:02 GMT
#338
That's kinda violent with the dead koreans on the ground...
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LlOoKkIi
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Korea (South)473 Posts
November 16 2011 03:04 GMT
#339
Really good write up, thoroughly enjoyed it.

Had never really thought to compare the three distinct practice styles of these players. I feel like they all work well but in my opinion Stephano's style requires more talent to begin with as it is less of a guaranteed method than perhaps the other end of the spectrum which is Huk's method of training(Not saying Huk is bad, He is my favorite player). You can mass ladder and eventually you will become better put less practice more mindset IMO wont make you into a better player as much as consistent mass games.
Korean Highschool Exchange Student. Apink's Eunji #1
WR4TH
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States72 Posts
November 16 2011 04:12 GMT
#340
I loved this article. Pleasure to read and the artwork is fantastic. One of the most interesting and intriguing things about our community is the diversity involved in the allegiances we all carry. Whether it be our race alliance or hoping that our home country wins or simply the unification that our scene pulls through and beats the Korean dominance there is always something to cheer for. Unless it's an all Korean TvT top 4 haha.
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