October Revolution - Page 9

On November 15 2011 19:10 Velr wrote:


I don't think any would disagree.
Why do people have "offdays" when not being ill and in theoretically perfect physical shape?
Why is the best Skier that dominated the whole season suddenly failing at the most important event?

Sorry... "Hard Work" is important... But it's not everything, by far not...

Yeah, the best guys on average train as much as they should/can whiteout hurting themselves... Are they all training the best/smartest way of all the atlethes? Some probably do, others for sure don't but still win more or do way better than they "should".

On November 15 2011 19:22 BrosephBrostar wrote:



Competition just doesn't work that way. Good state of mind can make a good athlete better, but it won't make someone who doesn't work hard a winner. This isn't a question of training efficiently, it's comparing people who train in a professional environment to people who practice by playing against amateurs for a few hours a day.

On November 15 2011 20:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Yeah, I'm just going to have to totally disagree with this.

You provide an example of three players. Three. Comparing player numbers, I believe Koreans are something like 5,000% more successful than foreigners in the pro scene. No, that's not an exaggeration, that's really how much more successful they are and that's even with the fact that, contrary to the foreign scene, pretty much all the top Korean RTS talent is not even playing SC2. Foreigners do not compare to Koreans overall. There are maybe 5-10 foreigners who won't be laughably unfavoured against the top Koreans. Almost all foreign pros have shown themselves to be sub-Code A level; i.e. not even top 75 in Korea, even with their multitude of free Code A spots that they've squandered. The gap between the foreign and Korean scene is utterly huge, that's just a fact and four tournaments don't change that.

So why are Koreans so, so much better than everyone else? To rule out the practise house entirely is just silly. You provide three examples that argue your case that it isn't primarily the practise. One of them is in a Korean house, one of them lived in one for years and is moving back to Korea for the superior practise, and one of them. . .well, fair enough, you have one good example. Huk is known to play even more than the Koreans (when he can) and talks about the travel hurting him and is the most successful foreigner. How are you talking about him as evidence of your claim in this article? Idra has himself said he has gotten worse (comparatively) after leaving the Korean scene and is moving back with the simple reason being he wants to improve. Stephano, again, I admit is a fair example. However, he is such an exception that we can simply call him an anomaly and be done with it.

There's an argument to be made that Koreans play too much. You can argue that mentality is huge important. That is pretty obvious, I think. That doesn't change the fact that the Korean model is far, far more successful than any foreign model. Maybe the Korean model can be improved upon - play 8 hours a day instead of 12 or something - but it is still a large reason for their success. To say it's simply mentality is to go against the facts. That would rely on the idea that foreigners play much worse against Koreans or Korean play much better against foreigners. This is simply not the case if you watch Koreans vs. Koreans and foreigners vs. foreigners - the same gap in play that is demonstrated in Koreans vs. foreigners is utterly apparent when they're playing within their own circle.

It isn't that foreigners are simply mentally weaker, it's that they are almost all worse players in almost every facet of the game.

On November 15 2011 15:45 Amlitzer wrote:
I didn't think nudity was allowed on TL?

On November 15 2011 20:57 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Yeah, I'm just going to have to totally disagree with this.

You provide an example of three players. Three. Comparing player numbers, I believe Koreans are something like 5,000% more successful than foreigners in the pro scene. No, that's not an exaggeration, that's really how much more successful they are and that's even with the fact that, contrary to the foreign scene, pretty much all the top Korean RTS talent is not even playing SC2. Foreigners do not compare to Koreans overall. There are maybe 5-10 foreigners who won't be laughably unfavoured against the top Koreans. Almost all foreign pros have shown themselves to be sub-Code A level; i.e. not even top 75 in Korea, even with their multitude of free Code A spots that they've squandered. The gap between the foreign and Korean scene is utterly huge, that's just a fact and four tournaments don't change that.

So why are Koreans so, so much better than everyone else? To rule out the practise house entirely is just silly. You provide three examples that argue your case that it isn't primarily the practise. One of them is in a Korean house, one of them lived in one for years and is moving back to Korea for the superior practise, and one of them. . .well, fair enough, you have one good example. Huk is known to play even more than the Koreans (when he can) and talks about the travel hurting him and is the most successful foreigner. How are you talking about him as evidence of your claim in this article? Idra has himself said he has gotten worse (comparatively) after leaving the Korean scene and is moving back with the simple reason being he wants to improve. Stephano, again, I admit is a fair example. However, he is such an exception that we can simply call him an anomaly and be done with it.

There's an argument to be made that Koreans play too much. You can argue that mentality is huge important. That is pretty obvious, I think. That doesn't change the fact that the Korean model is far, far more successful than any foreign model. Maybe the Korean model can be improved upon - play 8 hours a day instead of 12 or something - but it is still a large reason for their success. To say it's simply mentality is to go against the facts. That would rely on the idea that foreigners play much worse against Koreans or Korean play much better against foreigners. This is simply not the case if you watch Koreans vs. Koreans and foreigners vs. foreigners - the same gap in play that is demonstrated in Koreans vs. foreigners is utterly apparent when they're playing within their own circle.

It isn't that foreigners are simply mentally weaker, it's that they are almost all worse players in almost every facet of the game.