On October 29 2011 11:57 GhostFall wrote:
This does give inspiration to blizzard to include in the end game stats total queue time of units.

For example, if there are 2 units queued up, not being built, than the Total Queue Time counter would be going up by 2 a second.

Then if Blizzard could also reveal game length in the statistics, you could make a similiar SQ, for queue time.

This wouldn't work at all for zerg, unless it was possible to track unspent larva, but even then would be extremely difficult to match to the stats for protoss or terran. Warpgates would be similarly difficult.

garlicface

Canada4196 Posts

October 29 2011 03:02 GMT

#44

I love your work.

Psyqo

United States401 Posts

October 29 2011 03:02 GMT

#45

I love these. Huk so good. Idra macro so good!

S2Lunar

1051 Posts

October 29 2011 03:07 GMT

#46

As expected, STC and Bomber with 2 of the highest SQ's! <333333

Also, it should be noted that RGNartist and Rebornsaga are the same people.

OhMyGawd

United States264 Posts

October 29 2011 03:13 GMT

#47

IdrA's best SQ was against Bomber on Shakuras, really showing his A game when it counted.

Achilles306

Canada84 Posts

October 29 2011 03:13 GMT

#48

Is there any way to see how SQ changes with respect to game length? It seems to me that it was be easy to have a high SQ in a short game where you are only on 1-2 bases, but in drawn out games it becomes much tougher (supply cap). It would be interesting to see how well the pros do compared to other GM or Master level players in keeping their SQ high during long games.

whatthefat

United States918 Posts

October 29 2011 03:19 GMT

#49

On October 29 2011 12:13 Achilles306 wrote:
Is there any way to see how SQ changes with respect to game length? It seems to me that it was be easy to have a high SQ in a short game where you are only on 1-2 bases, but in drawn out games it becomes much tougher (supply cap). It would be interesting to see how well the pros do compared to other GM or Master level players in keeping their SQ high during long games.

Here's an analysis I did a while ago with respect to game duration for the top 100 players. I didn't find any significant effect of game duration (and results were similar for lower leagues).

Thrax

Canada1755 Posts

October 29 2011 03:19 GMT

#50

This is incredible work, very interesting! DeMusliM - what a baller.

Gofarman

Canada648 Posts

October 29 2011 03:24 GMT

#51

I loved your first write up and was super glad to see you went on with this and did more with it.

With this and APM we might be closer to reaching the metric for the next best.

shaldengeki

United States104 Posts

October 29 2011 03:26 GMT

#52

Very nice. I've long thought that SC2 analysis was in desperate lack of a rigorous statistical treatment and it's great to see you stepping up to the plate to provide it. Hopefully we'll see a sabermetrics-like community grow around SC2 in the near future, haha.

ZeromuS

Canada13408 Posts

October 29 2011 03:30 GMT

#53

On October 29 2011 11:13 Imperium11 wrote:

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In addition to Pokebunny's comment above about Protoss intentionally overmaking gates and banking resources, it should be noted that there is a natural buildup of resources during each warpgate cooldown, resulting in a lower SQ even were the Protoss to not overmake gates.

I also would like to point out that this measures only the spending of money, not the efficacy of that spending. As far as I understand it, a player poorly macroing and queuing up several units would receive a high SQ because their money was being spent, even if it was not being done in a productive way.

Edit: misquote

All this makes Idra's score and the crazier. No queue and no reason to bank resources the same as protoss

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

October 29 2011 03:31 GMT

#54

Your picture of thestc is actually oGsEnsnare :p

theseraph

United States100 Posts

October 29 2011 03:35 GMT

#55

this might've been mentioned but that picture of oGs.TheSTC is actually of Ensnare. Otherwise my friend, you've done some amazing work and this is pretty awesome in general. I wonder if someday we'll be looking at statistics like that in tournaments/daily's(looking at you day9) to help quantify how to be a better player.

cheers

edit: jinro beat me to it, kid's got skills :p

GhandiEAGLE

United States20754 Posts

October 29 2011 03:38 GMT

#56

Wow this is actually pretty sweet, both interesting and easy to grasp!

Gnial

Canada907 Posts

October 29 2011 03:38 GMT

#57

If you think about when people pool money, it makes sense that T should be highest SQ, then Z, then P.

T doesn't really have any reason to ever float money, other than preparing to expo for turrets + CC.

Z pools for tech switches (mutas, roaches, etc) and actively tries to pool once hitting 200/200 supply.

P constantly pools between warp cycles, so should just consistently be above the average of others.

I am actually crazy excited for this once we can compare the data to Korea! Keep up the awesome work.

whatthefat

United States918 Posts

October 29 2011 03:39 GMT

#58

On October 29 2011 12:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Your picture of thestc is actually oGsEnsnare :p

Haha, good catch. Thanks - fixed!

sensenmann

United States172 Posts

October 29 2011 03:46 GMT

#59

Really amazing write up. Can't wait for you to get your hands on more raw data!

Drizzt3

United States189 Posts

October 29 2011 03:54 GMT

#60

Well, aside from things like warp in and queue types of mechanics and micro, it's also obviously very important precisely what you are spending your money on, rather than simply how much of it you are spending. Huk is a great example of this. The main reason his spending quotient is so bad is not because he isn't capable of macroing properly; the guy practices like 12 hrs a day in Korea, I'm pretty sure he can handle protoss macro mechanics. I think the main reason Huk's spending quotient is so bad is because he's really really REALLY careful about what exactly he spends his money on. For example, while most players would just warp in whatever gateway unit composition fits their resource count best, Huk warps in the exact number of zealots, stalkers, and sentries respectively that he needs for each situation, even if his resources end up looking very uneven after the production cycle. For instance, as a frequent stream fan girl of Huk I've noticed that he would prefer warping in 5 zealots to 10 sentries if he felt the situation demanded zealots, even if he ended up floating 1000 gas temporarily because he only made zealots.