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Blizzcon and GSL Finals - Polar Opposites - Page 5

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LEEKsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden380 Posts
October 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#81
great article, i really enjoyed the analysis of the ghost!
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Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
October 26 2011 11:53 GMT
#82
Epic write-up as always!
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L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 12:49:44
October 26 2011 12:31 GMT
#83
I'm sorry to say it, but I'm not a fan of articles like this. In fact, I didn't though I would see such heavy balance whining implications in battle report featured on TL. Well, times are changing it seems. For the worse dare I say.

It's basically blatant theorycraft, although well written. Current mass ghost transition is quite new trend, heavily unexplored, yet this article treats it like already broken thing, because "the supposedly smartest player in the world" played like crap against it in one game.

Making such heavy implications from basically two games is something I wouldn't expect from Featured News article, which should have more professional standards than common SC2 strategy subforum threads.

The live report thread erupted into a terrible shitstorm after the game. Something I though TL wanted to avoid. But this article seems to imply the opposite, as it basically says "you were right people, the ghost are indeed broken!".

I would prefer battle reports split from balance theorycraft altogether AND having balance theorycraft articles only after some trend is well established, with a lot more evidence.

edit: To be fair though, the nonbalance parts are quite enjoyable!
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
October 26 2011 12:50 GMT
#84
Nice write up, and I agree that long ZvTs on Shakuras are just plain frustrating. The middle of the map becomes impassable once ghosts are out. But I have to say, I don't think Nestea was taking the last game seriously, or if he was, I've never seen him play so underwhelmingly.

His macro was horribad near the end - watch how much of the time he is supply blocked, well short of 200 supply, despite having a semi-infinite supply of larvae and resources. Nestea is not the greatest macro player in the world, but he's pretty damn good, and it's unusual to see him supply blocked more than a handful of times in a game (and then only briefly).

Moreover, his drone management was extremely disappointing. Why keep 100 supply in drones when you're facing a maxed Terran and you've banked half a map? And then at the end, it was the complete opposite - he didn't bother trying to restart his economy. The whole nydus full of banelings, and the 25 broodlord attack... they are just things that could never work, and Nestea had to know that. Whether it was out of frustration or showboating I'm not sure. But for me as a viewer, it made for a pretty disappointing conclusion to an epic match.
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TG_Lelouch
Profile Joined August 2011
United States134 Posts
October 26 2011 13:00 GMT
#85
Big writeup! Excellent read up a always
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
October 26 2011 13:03 GMT
#86
Spectacular write-up, thanks so much. It was very interesting to read about the analyses of those games versus Mvp and Nestea, which was most definitely a stunning finals for the Blizzcon Invitational. Although I actually wanted Nestea to win rather than Mvp, I think that Mvp deserved it with his well-timed and greatly executed timing attacks where he caught his teammate entirely off-guard.

Ultimately Blizzcon 2011 was a fantastic event and huge success, and as such, I eagerly await Blizzcon 2012 :D
I know it is a bit early, but one just cannot contain one's excitement for all the great things which are happening so quickly in the wonderful world of eSports.
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theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
October 26 2011 13:16 GMT
#87
nice write-up. I didn't know you could shift-cue snipe, i thought it took really sick and high apm to snipe that many broods...
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
cap1n
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia7 Posts
October 26 2011 13:23 GMT
#88
Excellent write up!
Maculo
Profile Joined October 2011
21 Posts
October 26 2011 13:37 GMT
#89
Interesting read, I did not know TL was bringing balance discussion into the tournament write ups. I am not sure how I feel about that just yet. I think I would prefer to hear just about the tournament(s). That is not to say I disliked the write up, I thought it was very well done. However, some parts felt like I was in the balance discussion threads.

Thank you for the write up.
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
October 26 2011 13:42 GMT
#90
I completely understand the rage at 1 game at a time, with long breaks inbetween.

However, I don't see why people are angry that they didnt show the "best" games early in the tournament. Blizzcon is a global invitiational, for a global audience - and Blizzard has almost a duty to perform in letting regional fans see their players after all the effort put in for them to be at the event.

It was almost inevitable that the koreans, naniwa, select and sen were going to progress far into the tournament, and that the SEA, LA and so on were not. You dont have to be a genius to see that was a very probably outcome - so how can you blame blizzard for giving the SEA/LA players some coverage whilst they were still in the tournament....

Especially given the korea-fest that was likely to occur on day2 and at the GSL.

Of course multiple streams would fix this "issue", but really it seems very childish for players to kick up a fuss that blizzard has an obligation to their global audience - not just to fans of korean players.
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purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
October 26 2011 13:50 GMT
#91
I feel mvp would have won if he would have just made a turret ring in 2 of the games. Just an opinion of mine. Can't beleive he got dropped that many times in the same 2-3 spots over and over again.
Yomi-no-Kuni
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany333 Posts
October 26 2011 13:53 GMT
#92
Liked reading the part about Pot-Splitting, thanks for that (and actually the Ghost part was interesting aswell, but i have to agree with my pre-posters, that it could've been more neutral towards them and more analytic of MVPs play instead of focused on the Unit that destroyed Nesteas hope of winning)

Considering Pot splitting:
Especially in Communitys simmilar, but smaller and less professional to SC2, i think Pot "Splitting" may be an honorable thing, if you share you're winnings with your Team or Trainingpartner. Optimaly, the winner should still make more than the second place finisher, but if you as Winner feel your Team deserves some, it should not be "forbidden", and it cannot be.
But it is always inapropriate to announce it openly, or to let it show during the finals that you dont really care about what happens, as it is your responsibility as a player to give your best. You owe it to Fans, Sponsors and your Opponent.

That said, I do not believe it is possible to condemn anyone for Pot-Splitting if it isn't "admitted" by the player and no one should be denounced for doing so because of not playing his best, because that can have 2 Billion and more reasons.


Thanks for the writeup
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 26 2011 13:59 GMT
#93
Love the writeup, especially Poke's section on MMA v MVP. THere's really something to be said about the underdog coming around and showing his stuff against someone thought to be completely superior.
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A x i o M
Profile Joined March 2011
United States78 Posts
October 26 2011 14:16 GMT
#94
To be honest, I think that Snipe, Psionic Storm, and Fungal Growth all have their advantages. We've seen the merits of snipe in the Mvp/Nestea and Mvp/July games. Psionic storm is AOE and does more damage but can be dodge for the most part. Fungal growth holds the units in place and is generally for positioning purposes with banelings etc. So all this talk about snipe being OP is a little ridiculous. It's a very good spell, yes, but it's on the same footing with these other spells in terms of usefulness.

Just my opinion anyway.

I agree with Blizzcon being a little lackluster. One thing I enjoyed out of it was the trivia questions. I think if MLG can add something like that between games instead of showing the crowd it would be a nice addition.

Very nice writeup.

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Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
October 26 2011 14:23 GMT
#95
Thanks :D!
You should build a turtle fence!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 26 2011 14:24 GMT
#96
While there are certain prize-spliting allegations, I think it simply just leads us to another issue: The fact that two of the most dominant players are on the same team. While I dont see anything necessarily wrong with Nestea and MVP being on the same team, I feel that the scene could grow if the two of them were on separate teams and were actually rivals rather than teammates, similar to Boxer-Yellow and Flash-Jaedong. Such a rivalry would generate interest in the scene. Nestea-MVP matches are already highly watched and anticipated, simply imagine if there were more of a rivalry and storyline with the two players.
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risque
Profile Joined October 2011
1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 14:32:29
October 26 2011 14:29 GMT
#97
I find it quite distasteful how many people discredit MMA's SKILL. When I hear people talk about the GSL Finals people always attribute MMA's win to his prepared builds(or spirit, or balls). But I think his builds were only a small factor of it. The proxy tank marine timing was ingenious in the fact that MMA proxied it, usually you only proxy racks or hellions but siege tank and a full timing force? MVP had no idea what was coming. MMA mind-tricks: 1 MVP: 0. Then through out the entire series MMA was consistently up in supply, his macro I daresay was on par if not at times above MVPs, at the very least his multitasking definitely was. You have to also note that MVP was using full force Mech builds, which should ultimately steam roll any bio composition late game, but does MMA care? Nope, he simply turned his game up a notch and picked MVP apart, I'd say Outclassed. Alot of you cheerleaders on that MVP wagon fail to observe and RECOGNIZE MMA's uncanny ability to juggle the SHIT out of MVP, out Microing, out APMing, out Expanding and simply out Playing MVP. Lets pay some respect where its due, it was MMA's AMAZING battle sense, offensive abilities and ingenious tactics backed by solid overarching macro which won him the game, I understand that players' performances are hugely dependent on their conditions, and I agree MVP wasn't at his prime at all, but MMA was, in almost every way a superior player.
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 14:58:30
October 26 2011 14:57 GMT
#98
You should write for www.cracked.com+ Show Spoiler +
after correcting few quick syntax errors
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BLIZZ123
Profile Joined July 2011
Vietnam54 Posts
October 26 2011 14:59 GMT
#99
On October 26 2011 23:29 risque wrote:
I find it quite distasteful how many people discredit MMA's SKILL. When I hear people talk about the GSL Finals people always attribute MMA's win to his prepared builds(or spirit, or balls). But I think his builds were only a small factor of it. The proxy tank marine timing was ingenious in the fact that MMA proxied it, usually you only proxy racks or hellions but siege tank and a full timing force? MVP had no idea what was coming. MMA mind-tricks: 1 MVP: 0. Then through out the entire series MMA was consistently up in supply, his macro I daresay was on par if not at times above MVPs, at the very least his multitasking definitely was. You have to also note that MVP was using full force Mech builds, which should ultimately steam roll any bio composition late game, but does MMA care? Nope, he simply turned his game up a notch and picked MVP apart, I'd say Outclassed. Alot of you cheerleaders on that MVP wagon fail to observe and RECOGNIZE MMA's uncanny ability to juggle the SHIT out of MVP, out Microing, out APMing, out Expanding and simply out Playing MVP. Lets pay some respect where its due, it was MMA's AMAZING battle sense, offensive abilities and ingenious tactics backed by solid overarching macro which won him the game, I understand that players' performances are hugely dependent on their conditions, and I agree MVP wasn't at his prime at all, but MMA was, in almost every way a superior player.


Yup, i agreed with you that. MMA' s macro and micro were better than Mvp. Mvp wasn't as active as MMA, Mvp played like turtle a bit (but he' still a very very steady turtle), but MMA was not. Mvp's resources reached above 1k many times blah, ..blah ...blah......
Just wait and see how MMA defeat Mvp in MLG Global invitational.
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
October 26 2011 15:00 GMT
#100
MMA! MMA! MMA!

Great writeup, damn that guy is good. The art at the end isn't very "korean-looking", lmao.
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