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guitaraffa
Profile Joined November 2010
15 Posts
August 16 2011 22:38 GMT
#2901
This is like when someone leaves the Red Sox to go play for the Yankees...
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
August 16 2011 22:38 GMT
#2902
On August 17 2011 07:37 synkronized wrote:
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On August 17 2011 07:25 zev318 wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:19 j4ckd4v13z wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:01 wobbly wrote:
I cant believe you take money over personally. That is bad personality.


When he has options, why would he take the lower paid one? He's not ditching the fans, just changing teams. Sorry but your post is completely ignorant and single minded


this kid's 14, its what they do.

Yeah, once the kid has a taste of the real world and sees what it means to worry about your livelihood both immediate and future he'll stop moaning. As of now his only understanding of it comes from his parents saying "No you can't use our credit card yet again"



There's really no need to be mean to young people, they really don't know better. They'll learn.
Aldin_D2x
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada55 Posts
August 16 2011 22:38 GMT
#2903
While I understand the decision, and it is a smart one from business perspective, I just hope EG will foster an environment similar to Liquid and allow to you further grow as a player and more importantly as a person.

<3 Huk Fighting
If someone comes at you with a sword, run if you can. Kung Fu doesnt always work. - Bruce Lee
Inverse1
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom61 Posts
August 16 2011 22:39 GMT
#2904
Sad sad sad times well good luck, I like EG and Liquid but you'll always be Liquid'HuK to me!
i'm about to open some fuckin' windows
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
August 16 2011 22:40 GMT
#2905
On August 17 2011 07:37 sharktopus. wrote:
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On August 17 2011 07:35 Delinius wrote:
I just hope he maintains his level of skill with new practice partners.


Yeah, PvP practice with InControl should be way better for his game than PvP practice with MC.

He's staying in Korea and it's not like he's no longer friends with MC. Why would he stop practicing with the highest level of Koreans?

Think about it like HuK is simply moving out of the house. No big deal. Hell, there are plenty of oGs players who don't even live in the team house and are doing just fine (Nada and Zenio to name a couple).
Avalain
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada308 Posts
August 16 2011 22:40 GMT
#2906
On August 17 2011 06:57 x6Paramore wrote:
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On August 17 2011 06:54 Grimsong wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:51 x6Paramore wrote:
On August 17 2011 03:16 Talco wrote:
On August 17 2011 00:59 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

The last few weeks were the negotiation period of Huk's contract. We had known since a few months ago that it would be a difficult period. Coming off winning championships at Dreamhack and HSC, and with a legion of fans supporting him, it was obvious that there would be a lot of interest in acquiring HuK. For us, this meant making him an offer that we felt would rival any other offer that we thought could be made. To the furthest extent our finances would allow, we tried to keep HuK with the team. HuK, too, wanted to stay very much. He loved being a part of Liquid, and was willing to stay with us for significantly less than other teams. However, the offer that he received from EG wasn't just significant, it was potentially life-changing.

EG fully recognized HuK's value as a player, and were absolutely single-minded in making sure they received his signature. Huk was placed at a crossroads that could influence the rest of his life and made the choice that he thought was best for him. I understand EG's reasoning in going after NA's best player and biggest superstar, and HuK's decision for joining them.




I want to know how much his salary is!! It must be massive



This is definitely around 150,000USD or more. This means that HuK will be able to buy a car, put a down payment on a house and have enough money to live extremely comfortable.

The only problem is, if this contract over a period of at least 3 years, its not that great. If EG suddenly disappeared next year (not saying it will), he'd be out of a 6 figure salary to support his lifestyle.

Anything less than 100,000, I would consider not life that changing since you could probably just get a paper pushing job somewhere for close to that much with room for advancement.

HuK is at the peak of the professionals within his region/country (US/Canada/South-America) and anything less than 150-200k would be a huge disappointment since most top tier professionals in a respectable paper pushing company make around 750-1000k / year. That is TOP professional (as in top 1%) which HuK is at in his career.

Best of luck Chris.



You're wrong. You are not having a basic paper pushing job for "somewhere close" to $100,000 a year. 30-50k? Maybe. 50k is on the VERY high end of that.


After a achieving a professional designation, your average salary for a Chartered Accountant is just under 6 figures. I should know since I am in the industry.


I'm not convinced you're living in the same world as the average person (and perhaps I envy you for that). Just taking a quick look at salaries in Canada, I find this: Average Salary

Lower Average Salary In Canada Becomes Even Lower
Those Canadian at the bottom of 20 per cent fell by 20 per cent comparing last 30 years. The median income for this group dropped from $19,300 in 1980 to $15,300 in 2010. All in 2010 Canadian dollars.

The Middle Average Income In Canada Stagnate
Those people in the middle of 20 per cent group found their salaries stagnate. Statistics Canada shows that this group's median salary was $41,300 in 1980. And pretty much the same 30 years later.

The Rich Get Richest
The richest top 20 per cent found their salaries rise by 16 per cent to $86,200. This is also shown in big increase of those who earn above the $100.000 a year. In 1980, 3.4 per cent people reached that value. By 2010 this value jump to 6.5 per cent.



Looking on Monster, the average salary for an "Accountant III" is $70k. That's for someone with over 5 years experience.

Basically, getting $100k/yr is not something just anyone can do. In fact, only 6.5% of people in Canada earn that much. Money like that is VERY good. Realistically, even half that much is a life changing amount when you add on paid living arrangements, paid travel, living expenses in South Korea, and the additional amount that he makes from winnings (including code S salary).
You know what unit really has balance problems? Colossi. Why, they look like they could be blown over in a stiff wind!
Zirith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada403 Posts
August 16 2011 22:40 GMT
#2907
How much freaking money did he get o.O. I'm mainly going to miss seeing him in code s :/
Artosis: "I don't trust hyenas."
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
August 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#2908
Congrats to huk on your big payday and career and don't forget your roots, you will away be a liquid to us. =(

Teamliquid Fighting T_T
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 22:42:34
August 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#2909
On August 17 2011 06:51 x6Paramore wrote:
Anything less than 100,000, I would consider not life that changing since you could probably just get a paper pushing job somewhere for close to that much with room for advancement.



100k = paper pushing?

i like how you trivialize the amount. it basically puts you in the top 15 ish % of income. i'm 28, and i make a few thousand shy of six figures not counting my bonus (software developer), and it took me about 5 years to get to this level.

so....... cool story bro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
s0uljah
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore143 Posts
August 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#2910
Isn't HuK staying in Korea still? And I admit, HuK was the reason why I was such a fervent liquid fanboy but now with HuK gone, Team Liquid isnt the same anymore... HuK is still my favourite player, just that he isn't in my favourite team nymore
sharktopus.
Profile Joined April 2011
United States456 Posts
August 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#2911
On August 17 2011 07:40 hmunkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 07:37 sharktopus. wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:35 Delinius wrote:
I just hope he maintains his level of skill with new practice partners.


Yeah, PvP practice with InControl should be way better for his game than PvP practice with MC.

He's staying in Korea and it's not like he's no longer friends with MC. Why would he stop practicing with the highest level of Koreans?

Think about it like HuK is simply moving out of the house. No big deal. Hell, there are plenty of oGs players who don't even live in the team house and are doing just fine (Nada and Zenio to name a couple).


It was a joke, I don't really care who he practices with. I just think that if his practice comes down to playing against other EG members, his game will not continue to improve. Just my $.02
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11087 Posts
August 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#2912
On August 17 2011 07:38 Jinsho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 07:37 synkronized wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:25 zev318 wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:19 j4ckd4v13z wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:01 wobbly wrote:
I cant believe you take money over personally. That is bad personality.


When he has options, why would he take the lower paid one? He's not ditching the fans, just changing teams. Sorry but your post is completely ignorant and single minded


this kid's 14, its what they do.

Yeah, once the kid has a taste of the real world and sees what it means to worry about your livelihood both immediate and future he'll stop moaning. As of now his only understanding of it comes from his parents saying "No you can't use our credit card yet again"



There's really no need to be mean to young people, they really don't know better. They'll learn.


Also it's not like other sports. In soccer(football) stars that transfer from United to City are already made men many times over. Between liquid and EG must be massive.

Hero looks pretty good, but we'll need some events and some interaction to develop any bond with him.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
wobbly
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark4 Posts
August 16 2011 22:44 GMT
#2913

On August 17 2011 07:16 wobbly wrote:
I am sorry that i am 14 years old and dont know how to spell prober, but i am going to share my mind and the feelings i have how this...

narcissistic? no I dont think so, since it is about HuK and not me...I use a lot of time watching a couple of players and he was one of them and on a team that only chose special people. that is why i am i am angry, i am sure that liquid as Nazgul writes, that liquid made a good offer.


Oh, you're 14? That does explain it. Everyone is a narcissist at that age. I'll explain why I said that.

What you wrote is "I..." "my..." "me..." Everything is about your thoughts, your feelings, your expectations. Nowhere do you stop and think about how HuK might feel. Why he might choose to do that. What his current needs/future plans are.

Everything this announcement is to you is you being betrayed. Whereas I can tell you that HuK doesn't care about your feelings, when he's thinking about which job to take. And if you expect him to, in a way that is absolutely unrealistic, then the fault lies with you, not with him. Things do not work this way. We're not in a glorified high-school movie where the beloved underdog team suddenly wins the big tournament and everyone is happy forever except for the bad villain team who get exposed as frauds. Real life is not a movie.

I am not picking on you here, I just want you to think a little bit about what you are writing, why you are writing it the way you are writing it, and how the result comes across to people who are not you.

And to be fair, you are definitely not the only person on TL who has been churning out stuff like this today. And deep inside they whisper "but this is not supposed to happen, the good guy is supposed to stay with his team until they win"... But it never does happen anywhere except in the movies. And when the main actor doesn't behave properly, he gets chewed out for not conforming to people's delusions.


hm, read about it before you thrown around big words like that;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

yes I am writting what I feel after I read that announcement. I dont know what HuK feels, and to read that you know is kind of funny...i dont think he will change his mind.
But you dont know if HiK is reading it and crying...dont think you know who he feels

No one in here knows how much he gets in salary from EG, it could be 50000 or 1000000 whatever, i still feel he sold out.
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
August 16 2011 22:44 GMT
#2914
Oh yeah guys, if HuK moves to another place in Korea he can't practice with oGs or Jinro. It's almost like they don't play on the same fucking server.

Well HuK, I'm disappointed that you're leaving, but I can see how it's not really a losing situation for you. You can still stay in Korea and practice with everyone there, and you get (apparently) worlds more money, and you can still keep your friendships with everyone from Liquid. I think I'm disappointed in that you're leaving, but it's the kind of sad I get when my friends leave Arkansas for grad school. I understand why they go and wish them well, but it still sucks that they're leaving me to another year of college without them.


Please, if there is one thing people in this thread will understand after this post, understand this. HuK is still living in Korea, so why would he miss out on the practice partners he has now? It's not like oGs uses a special kind of Battle.net, and it's not like players don't practice with members from different teams. Friendships ascend that kind of petty bullshit.

Plus, there has been rumors, specifically from Heostat, that this is just another in a series of announcements that will be coming. Who says Idra/Puma/HuK won't be staying in the oGs house? oGs-TL-EG house would be great for everyone. EG has the money and Idra/Puma/HuK, TL has money and Jinro, and oGs has the Korean talent + Korean SC2 need for financial help. Maybe not as much as fOU did, but every Korean SC2 team seems to need money right now.

These people are all friends. Let's remember that and that they've all mostly accepted HuK's departure before lighting the pitchforks. If TL isn't pissed enough to disown HuK or denounce EG, why should we?
dodelol
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands68 Posts
August 16 2011 22:45 GMT
#2915
so sad, hope husky was trolling us, anyway will he read all pages and will that guy continue to wear a tl shirt until huk's next win?


huk ande idra practice partners hmmmmmmmm:D i got some hallucinating mushrooms for you they make you fly:O


hope eg goes broke so we can haz huk back:O

huk GL and hf trolling dira as much as possible, he can'tsay that he is bette then you, hope you have more payment then him, even if it is 1 dollar just be better i still love you

and thx to the guy that posted the nooooooo link, used it to many times
Ravnemesteren
Profile Joined May 2011
224 Posts
August 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#2916
On August 17 2011 07:27 geno wrote:
Great for Huk, sad for teamliquid, understandable for EG.

That said, I can't support buying an ace player. In this sense, EG is kind of a victim of Huk's success, this would have been such a non-story in my eyes if it had happened a couple months ago. Huk could have gone on to win dreakhack, hsc, and whatever else with an EG jersey and I would have commended EG for recognizing and appreciating his talent even when he hadn't won anything for awhile.

As it is now though, it just looks like they are trying to buy out his accomplishments and success and put their name on it, and coming off the Puma-right-after-NASL deal, I think it's pretty clear how EG's management is approaching expanding their talent. I won't blame Huk for taking a life-changing deal, but I can't support management (or complacent sponsorship) that is unable or unwilling to foster new talent.

Can't wait to see which Blizzcon player they pick up so they can have a jersey in that tournament. Or maybe they'll just skip that step and head straight to the winner!


You do realise that EG has been interested in Huk for a long time. Huk had offers from both TL and EG before he joined TL. They went for him now because his contract with TL was ending (thats what I understood at least).

You EG haters are trying so hard to look for some way to dislike them and their business. Why is it wrong to go for a top player? If the player agrees its the best decision, and the other team is okay with releasing that play I cannot see anything wrong at all, not at all.

And why didnt you guys rag on mouze for picking up Thorzaine after his TSL3 victory? Same deal. There are so many examples of teams doing the same thing, but when EG does something so many people want to get the "lets hate EG" bandwagon rolling.
ginnipig
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada84 Posts
August 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#2917
<3 Huk then and i <3 Huk now

#$@-HUK FIGHTING
ginnipig
Monera
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada8 Posts
August 16 2011 22:47 GMT
#2918
Wonder how Idra feels about this XD
If you can kill him just fucking kill him - Day[9]
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
August 16 2011 22:47 GMT
#2919
If I were HuK and would be in his position right now with all those good memories and nice words about TL, the members and his TL fans here - I would start crying.
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
August 16 2011 22:49 GMT
#2920
On August 17 2011 07:28 x6Paramore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 07:24 tripper688 wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:15 x6Paramore wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:09 tripper688 wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:07 x6Paramore wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:05 tripper688 wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:04 x6Paramore wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:02 tripper688 wrote:
On August 17 2011 07:01 x6Paramore wrote:
On August 17 2011 06:58 Grimsong wrote:
[quote]

Professional Chartered Accountant = Just getting a regular old paper pushing job for 100k? Think your wording was misleading.


HuK spent 1 year perfecting his game. Professional Chartered Accounting designation takes like 2 years. Lets put the rest of HuK's "Other" gaming experience and clump it down to 1 year of experience... Therefore, if he worked just as hard at becoming a paper pusher, he'd make 100k right now wouldn't he?

Not only that, he's #1 right now as opposed to a paper pushing job where he'd make 100k at the middle of his tier.

So lets say he tried really hard and did really good.. 150K - 200k is what he should expect if hes one of the brightest paper pushers that exist.


Except we're not looking at paper pushers, we're talking about SC2 progamers in NA. As one of the top NA players, he should be making money at the top NA level. Whether or not it's in the 150k-200k range has nothing to do with how much he would make as a paper pusher.



So 150k to 200k would be less than what he SHOULD be making... since Grubby and Moon both made 7 figures in wc3...?


WC3 =/= SC2.
EU/KR =/= NA.

What HuK should be making, based on accomplishments, publicity, and marketability, is about as much as or a bit more than w-e IdrA is making with EG right now.


OH WAIT........... thats about 150-200k...


Do you have where IdrA talks about what he makes? And take a look at the line of reasoning. "Professional paper pushers make 150k a year so HuK should make the same" doesn't make much sense. "IdrA makes 150k a year and HuK is just as good and on same team so he should also make 150k a year" actually does.


I'm afraid you are the one that is confused.

What I said was, under 100k wasn't very life changing because paper pushers could make that much pretty quickly.

Then you tried to force me to make the arguement that paper pushers can make 100k easily (which they can).

I did not say at any point in time that just b/c paper pushers make 150k that huk should make 150k. I merely said that it's a similar comparison to the amount of work that HuK put into what he does and that, again, 100k or less wasn't that life changing.

Then I further stated that HuK should be paid 150-200k because that is about the industry standard for North American players at #1. Then you stated that we should compare that to very top professionals (to which I said Grubby and Spirit_Moon would be those).

Then you said that HuK should probably be paid similar to Idra, to which I confirmed (and agreed) that its about 150-200k / year.

Don't ask me how I know, thats just what I've heard from being on my own professional team (www.check6gaming.com). My managers at check6 have been around the industry long enough to know the top salaries for top american players. Not saying I get paid, but they know and I trust them since Check6 has existed for a long time.



When did I try to force you to make any arguments about paper pushers? And again, life changing doesn't necessarily mean he has to make more than a high tier paper pusher. All it means is that it's a big improvement over what he had from Liquid and what Liquid currently offered.


There is truth your argument only in that there is ambiguity. However, there shouldn't be any illusion: that it all came down to the $-figure.

Its going to be around 150k or more. If we ever find out you can mark my words. Otherwise, I don't see any point in further arguing this.

In my mind and opinion, it has to be at least 150k as in my opinion less than 100k non-life changing based on what I have said already. If you disagree, then whatever, its not like I really give a shit what some random scrub on TL thinks. I was just posting my opinion and did not need to write an essay to back up my opinion or how I came to that conclusion, even if you try to discredit me.


Uh...ok? You had an opinion, and I, as well as several others disagreed. We're not trying to bash you, we're not trying to hate you, we're only stating the obvious: Yes there is ambiguity because we don't actually have $$$ values, just a bunch of conjecture. Is there really a need to start calling names and attacking other people?
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