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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
problem is I don't think blizzard wants to do that, harder game = less sales T_T (and before someone says easy to learn hard to master in reply, not mastering the spell which is hard leads to getting stomped on Battle.Net and thus leads to less fun with it and less sales for blizzard. from a Noob who can't master said spell point of view of course.) | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
On a side note, contaminate discussion would be interesting, but it's just not seen often enough. (As I see it, a couple key contaminates at technical (lair morph, warpgates, misc. key upgrades) bottlenecks could really have a huge effect) | ||
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Meff
Italy287 Posts
On July 23 2010 23:27 AncienTs wrote: gut feeling tells me that fazing is a bug and will/ought to be removed... but then again fazing requires so much focus that you can lose time managing other important things, namely, macroing Well, it's definitely a bug, no doubt about it. As for whether it should be removed, I'll disagree with the OP and state that I do not really find fazing to be all that good of a quirk of the engine. In abstract, I have to say that I am wary of effectiveness multipliers, particularly on units that already have their sort of multiplier built in (the charge-up mechanic). Stacking those is a very quick way to break a game. More concretely, I think that at the moment there's already enough tension when void rays rushes hit. A little mismanagement can cost somebody the entire game (in zerg's case: produce the appropriate building/units, coordinate queens, probably defend from the zealot push that comes together with the VR attack). Little micro tricks should help the defender in this case, at least in my opinion. Also, the bug that allows you to pretty much insta-kill unlimited numbers of small units (as long as you have enough void rays to one-shot them one at a time you can just shift-click them) follows exactly the same dynamic as fazing. That one, however, is pretty much one-sided. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
I think that throughout the years people will come up with more of this abilities and make the game as good as SC:BW is. | ||
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feather6
48 Posts
I think there is an interesting point to be made with fungal growth. Putting aside balance for a moment, a cast time would make FG harder to land and more exciting when it hit. Why, however, is something like plague so exciting (PLAAAAGUU!), when it is so similar to fungal growth? Plague is instant cast after all. I think people just aren't used to the damage. A plague from the expensive, slow, weak defiler (hey, just like the infestor!) can cripple an entire army, and people know exactly what that red graphic means and freak out as a defiler charges towards the enemy. Will the tanks kill it? Will he juke the plague? Ahhh! Well placed fungal growths on an army can be just as devastating as a good plague, and should be just about as hard or easy to land. I know I get excited when an mmm ball gets slammed by FG and a bunch of flanking lings come running in. Are people just not used to thinking of FG as just as powerful as plague? Is it because the graphic is less 'scary'? Does anyone else think FG already has a 'wow factor'? Also, lol @ forcefield giving a 'small' edge. Look at Idra vs Tester on scrap station in the King of the Beta tournament to see that 'small' edge in action in their 200/200 battle. | ||
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DuneBug
United States668 Posts
Was not aware of void ray 'fazing', but now really want to try it out! I liked what you mentioned about EMP / Guardian shield. What if an EMP disabled one guardian shield, but didn't actually 'emp'. 100 energy for 100 energy? Or exploded on the edge of the shield, instead of its intended target. that'd be pretty cool. Nothing wrong with the baneling though. I think the fact that it explodes when killed is the best part about it. When I was starting out as zerg i thought banelings sucked, I would never be able to use them because i wasn't korean and would end up exploding all my banelings on one marauder or something because of bad attack-move. Then I saw a vid that said basically never put your banelings on attack-move just use move and get them as close as possible. Let enemy fire do the rest. Also re: fungal growth it actually used to have a cast animation it seems odd that people forgot. I recall it looking similar to the infested terran. It was pretty tough to aim, especially against stimmed troops or zerglings or charging zealots, mutalisks, phoenix.. aka everything that fungal growth is useful for killing. | ||
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Phil4994
United States143 Posts
Congrats on 20k  | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2590 Posts
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TitCriss
Canada39 Posts
Nerfing baneling. I know that it is a game and sometimes there is some really strange things in a game but this is ridiculous. A bomb is a bomb. Shoot a bomb or detonate the bomb and you have the same damage. Fazing voidray. If it isn't remove I go protoss. | ||
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MarioMD
United States22 Posts
Lots of interesting ideas. I was immediately resistent to the idea of the guardian shield stopping EMP, but I like the idea that a ghost can snipe sentries as well. An interesting idea. Is there damage decriment to the the banelings explosive damage as the area increases like most AOE or is it a flat number? If so I'm not sure I feel any need for them to deal less damage if they are exploding upon death. Even if it isn't though I'm not sure it would be helpful. Usually the "action" happening with banelings explosions goes down so fast that I feel it may be difficult to appreciate whether inidividual banelings did less damage to this or that because of some micro. Once again, excellent read, very well written, excellent ideas that I think I'd like to see implemented in some way. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
DustinB:: "We are aware of the Void Ray fazing and we will be addressing that. I was not personally aware of underground casting of Infestor abilities. I'll go take a look.=)" At least they're "addressing" it. I don't think "fazing" is such an issue, though. Getting a critical number of void rays that will "one-shot" marines and queuing them up is kind of a game-breaker. The void rays kill marines as fast as they can target them at that point. | ||
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Uranium
United States1077 Posts
Smartcast and extremely clumped units really broke the options for AoE spells in Starcraft 2. | ||
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andeh
United States904 Posts
Or seeing fg be used like forcefield and create a wall of units that just messes units getting into position. But I would say FG does not have the same wow factor as plague, maybe because its not immediate. | ||
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Kickchon
Germany12 Posts
I think storms hp/dmg/running speed balancing could be achieved by progressivly increasing its damage over time. So you want to move your units out of the storm, quickly. | ||
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789
United States959 Posts
I'd like Blizzard to keep fazing in, but only at the uncharged level. Fazing with a charged beam is just ridiculously powerful. Also only being able to faze at uncharged level presents the player with a decision - to faze or to charge. | ||
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-fj.
Samoa462 Posts
Of course with a cap so BC's don't get raped so hard by it. Also the travel times on fungal and emp are huge nerfs that would make these spells almost unusable, they would need AoE and possibly damage buffs to be worthwhile again. I really like the guardian shield / emp interaction though. fits well with lore. 1 emp will end any guardian shield it touches, but will have no other effect. So if the terran spams out emps and the protoss spams out shields at the perfect timing, no emps will land. or something like that. Maybe instead of buffing the damage on EMP it could stun for a short time. like 0.5 seconds or so. | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2928 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Great read! | ||
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