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Drunken Argument
Profile Joined May 2010
United States15 Posts
June 01 2010 05:43 GMT
#521
On June 01 2010 12:18 tenpromicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 11:18 Drunken Argument wrote:
On June 01 2010 10:22 tenpromicro wrote:
On June 01 2010 08:59 Drunken Argument wrote:
On June 01 2010 08:06 tenpromicro wrote:
On June 01 2010 02:40 Drunken Argument wrote:

2) They control the future (SC2).
It is entirely possible that Blizzard will lose the SC1 argument and KeSPA will remain in complete control of the scene and broadcasting rights. Unfortunately for KeSPA, that victory will be short-lived. In light of the recent events, I’m sure Blizzard has already included clauses in SC2’s EULA that prevent broadcasting of their games without their permission. Assuming that is the case, Blizzard can give GOM the rights as the sole broadcaster of SC2 and hope that the popularity of the new game will force other sponsors into abandoning KeSPA for the new GOM league.
What would prevent KeSPA from simply starting their own SC2 league? Battle Net 2.0. Since there is no LAN play in SC2, all games must be played on Blizzard’s servers. This gives Blizzard the opportunity to shut down any account that is being used in an illegal broadcast. KeSPA would never be allowed to broadcast any of their games.

In conclusion, Blizzard is the most likely controller of the future of Korean SC eSports. While I promised that would not moralize on who is right or wrong in this matter, I will say this. I do not think Blizzard’s actions will be the end of eSports. In America alone, nearly every national league has a private company that controls the broadcasting rights to the sport (NFL, NBA, MLB, etc.). Blizzard is trying to establish their own kind of organization through their partnership with GOM. While the eSports of the future might have a very different face on it that the eSports of now, there will still likely be eSports.


But they won't be able to practice. EACH programmer would need a new account every one to two days in order to keep their schedules. That's thousands of copies of SC2.

Two things:

1. If KeSPA doesn't release the names of the accounts on BNet 2.0, how can Blizzard find out what the account names are? For example, if the games were broadcasted 30 minutes after the actual matches with the account names edited out, what is Blizzard's course of action?

The Korean government favors KeSPA. The reason why Blizzard couldn't sue for SC1 rights in Korea was because the Korean government told them to just deal with KeSPA. If Blizzard tries to sue in Korea again--even with their new contract with GOM-- what makes you think that the Korean government will enforce any sort of judgment on KeSPA? The Korean government spends a fair amount of time in the development of eSports and gaming in general because it is a big part of their economy. It is highly doubtful that they will allow Blizzard to just swoop in and swipe the sport off their feet and bring it back to square one.

2. No one is saying that Blizzard's involvement is going to be the end of eSports. It's just going to be the end of eSports as we know it. It's just going to take a bit of time to get it back to what it previously was.


1. I'm sure that progamers practicing 13 hours a day, every day, against the same people on a Korean server will be a pretty big tell. As for the actual televised matches, it is possible that if they switched identifiers every time for every game that Blizzard couldn't keep up with them. But I doubt they'd try to keep that up for long.



I know we are going off in to a bit of a tangent, but the issue of account names can easily be bypassed. They can easily buy new copies of the game and create fresh accounts used for showmatches only.


But they wouldn't be able to practice. Each progamer would need a new account every 24-48 hours, or however long it took Blizzard to ban them. Thats thousands of SC2 accounts plus the showmatch accounts, with new showmatch accounts needed for each match (since they can't hide their names in the broadcast). It's not economically viable.

Edit: spelling error


blizz isn't gonna randomly ban every account that palys more than 12 hours a day.


Randomly? No. Established pattern? Sure.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
June 01 2010 06:09 GMT
#522
you would think that broadcasting sc would actually boost the success of starcraft and would be an win-win situation.
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StarMasterX
Profile Joined February 2010
United States113 Posts
June 01 2010 06:16 GMT
#523
On June 01 2010 11:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
Why do people think blizzard has any desire to run esports? All they have stated to this point is they want to be paid for their intellectual property, not that they want to have complete control of the scene (this was only alleged by KeSPA, which may or may not be true). From a pure business perspective, it makes no sense for blizzard to run korean esports, and the fact that they sold the rights to GOM proves they have no desire to set up and run the scene. Instead, that responsibility falls to GOM.


We know they have a desire to run esports because of the way they are setting up Bnet 2.0 and because of their new found recent dislike of Kespa.

The way they are setting up Bnet 2.0 (no lan, accounts tied to everything, etc) screams complete control. To me it seems the only reason they are getting involved with GOM is to have some sort of leverage and respectability in Korea, but I'm not sure how that will work out. And that leaves us with Kespa, who brings up a good point. Why did Blizzard wait until NOW? The only possible answer to me in because SC2 is coming out and they want complete control of the esports scene.

I don't know which side is lying more, but if everything I've heard from Blizzard and Kespa is true (which is still up in the air of course), than I think Blizzard is fucked up more in this case, regardless of how fucked up Kespa has been in the past.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
June 01 2010 06:38 GMT
#524
On June 01 2010 15:16 StarMasterX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 11:47 Two_DoWn wrote:
Why do people think blizzard has any desire to run esports? All they have stated to this point is they want to be paid for their intellectual property, not that they want to have complete control of the scene (this was only alleged by KeSPA, which may or may not be true). From a pure business perspective, it makes no sense for blizzard to run korean esports, and the fact that they sold the rights to GOM proves they have no desire to set up and run the scene. Instead, that responsibility falls to GOM.



The way they are setting up Bnet 2.0 (no lan, accounts tied to everything, etc) screams complete control. To me it seems the only reason they are getting involved with GOM is to have some sort of leverage and respectability in Korea, but I'm not sure how that will work out. And that leaves us with Kespa, who brings up a good point. Why did Blizzard wait until NOW? The only possible answer to me in because SC2 is coming out and they want complete control of the esports scene.


also note the fact that kespa has already been doing this for years now. and like kespa said, e-Sport, or any sport for that matter, isn't owned by any company and regarding with the issue of rights. If blizzard fought this battle in the korean court (which is GOING to be the case), you have to understand that the korean gov't and the companies somehow owe the organization that made e-sport because it was a catalyst for the PCbang which made Korea it is today.

i just dont see how blizzard can win this battle for rights in enemy soil where they are the ones who attacks the country/culture that made them big famous, not just money.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 01 2010 06:59 GMT
#525
I would just hope SC1 has a longer broadcast life, give SC2 a few years before it grows to a massive competition and corporate monies flow in.
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Mallard
Profile Joined January 2010
United States129 Posts
June 01 2010 07:19 GMT
#526
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote:
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life


I don't think they actually drop out of all their schooling. I would at least think they have a tutor or something. There is nothing stopping them from going to a college either. Even if it is just an online one. There was an article about Jaedong doing it.

Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 01 2010 07:29 GMT
#527
On June 01 2010 16:19 Mallard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote:
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life


I don't think they actually drop out of all their schooling. I would at least think they have a tutor or something. There is nothing stopping them from going to a college either. Even if it is just an online one. There was an article about Jaedong doing it.



That was just to cover JD's conscription.
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Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 07:56:41
June 01 2010 07:55 GMT
#528
Man both sides seem like bs lol. Anyway, so does anyone know what happens if Kespa decides to keep running after August? Blizzard can't actually shut them down without bringing them to court right? Court things take months or years sometimes don't they, and during the time Kespa could probably still be running starcraft leagues until theya re deemed illegal.
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
June 01 2010 07:57 GMT
#529
yea this is really messed up =[
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guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
June 01 2010 08:04 GMT
#530
They should really get a third party to negotiate. I don't think they'll be able to work anything out amongst themselves.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
June 01 2010 08:09 GMT
#531
Blizzard is a completely different company from 10 years ago. They can't seem to make any new good games and they also have turned insanely greedy.
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TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
June 01 2010 08:52 GMT
#532
Can anyone just give me a 1-2 sentence summary? My english isn't that fluent to read such a long and fluent draft. Thanks!
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Xenomorph
Profile Joined May 2010
United States137 Posts
June 01 2010 08:55 GMT
#533
Activision made them greedy because Bobby Kotick is the anti-christ of gaming. Blizzards developers and creators want the game to do well, and it will. As I see it now, Kespa was just a big monopoly anyway and Blizzard wanted to be in their spot. I don't think Gomtv will succeed as well as well as Kespa, but Blizzard stands to make money anyway and Kespa needs SC. I just hope we get some Sc2 tournaments in Korea. As long as SC2 sells and we get some good games, I'm down for whatever change. In the end, they are both money grubbing.
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Nich
Profile Joined April 2010
397 Posts
June 01 2010 09:58 GMT
#534
lol @ those saying free gaming 12 hours a day is good, i do hope you are at a sensible age to say this.


On June 01 2010 16:19 Mallard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote:
So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life


I don't think they actually drop out of all their schooling. I would at least think they have a tutor or something. There is nothing stopping them from going to a college either. Even if it is just an online one. There was an article about Jaedong doing it.



12 hours of training per day, 2 hour breaks(breakfast, lunch, dinner, supper) 8 hours of sleep is needed. you have 2 hours spare per day. How do you really have time to study?
\

Don't ever think KeSPA is a charity for e-sports, cause even charity organization tends to cheat. I remember reading the post saying if KeSPA is earning profit why don't they improve living condition of the players. Now why don't they keep the money for them self for more under table profits you won't ever know.

Do note that blizzard did know KeSPA was selling broadcasting rights(and to the guy who said KeSPA have broadcasting rights, who gave them?) at year 2007, if KeSPA have settled the issue earlier they won't be such deep shit now.

And why does blizzard need to sponser teams for esports? I don't see valve sponsering fnatic, SK gaming, MYM, EG or wadever for their CS team, like wise blizzard for their WC3 team.
Maaku
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
June 01 2010 10:25 GMT
#535
On June 01 2010 13:20 Subversive wrote:
Wow this thread has been open less than a day and already over 38 000 views. Such a hot topic. Hope these two giants can work it out. If it goes to the Korean courts though I think Blizzard will get 3-0'ed. The courts are not going to support this gaming behemoth against their own companies.


Why do people think that in korea, kespa would win just cause there korean? That LAW enforcement don't follow THE LAW and just pick the home team to support? Sorry guys it doesn't work like that if by LAW they see kespa is wrong or right they'd go with the LAW and not home team advantage.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 10:52:44
June 01 2010 10:51 GMT
#536
Maaku you don't know the half of it. Just stop. There is no need for us to repeat ourselves. If you haven't read the thread then you haven't read the thread and any point you try to raise becomes mute.
KeeN
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada82 Posts
June 01 2010 11:48 GMT
#537
While the situation already seems like it's about IP rights, but rather than a problem with IP rights, Blizzard shows extreme greed that is beyond common sense and in order to accomplish this Blizzard is shaking the future of Korean eSports.


- Kespa
nope
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
June 01 2010 11:57 GMT
#538
On June 01 2010 19:25 Maaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 13:20 Subversive wrote:
Wow this thread has been open less than a day and already over 38 000 views. Such a hot topic. Hope these two giants can work it out. If it goes to the Korean courts though I think Blizzard will get 3-0'ed. The courts are not going to support this gaming behemoth against their own companies.


Why do people think that in korea, kespa would win just cause there korean? That LAW enforcement don't follow THE LAW and just pick the home team to support? Sorry guys it doesn't work like that if by LAW they see kespa is wrong or right they'd go with the LAW and not home team advantage.



you dont even know the korean culture .. or asia for that matter .. also try to look at the history:

kespa helped korea with its PC bang, before that they didn't have great viewership in TVs, they were really pessimist with their economy, and if you have any knowledge about LAW when it comes to asian countries, its about home team advantage.
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Maaku
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
June 01 2010 12:06 GMT
#539
On June 01 2010 20:57 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 19:25 Maaku wrote:
On June 01 2010 13:20 Subversive wrote:
Wow this thread has been open less than a day and already over 38 000 views. Such a hot topic. Hope these two giants can work it out. If it goes to the Korean courts though I think Blizzard will get 3-0'ed. The courts are not going to support this gaming behemoth against their own companies.


Why do people think that in korea, kespa would win just cause there korean? That LAW enforcement don't follow THE LAW and just pick the home team to support? Sorry guys it doesn't work like that if by LAW they see kespa is wrong or right they'd go with the LAW and not home team advantage.



you dont even know the korean culture .. or asia for that matter .. also try to look at the history:

kespa helped korea with its PC bang, before that they didn't have great viewership in TVs, they were really pessimist with their economy, and if you have any knowledge about LAW when it comes to asian countries, its about home team advantage.



/sigh I don't think for one second believe that if its clearly blizzard (not saying they are) in the right then they would lose just cause off home team advantage, Would kinda make the whole law system kinda pointless.
Maaku
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
June 01 2010 12:11 GMT
#540
On June 01 2010 19:51 StarStruck wrote:
Maaku you don't know the half of it. Just stop. There is no need for us to repeat ourselves. If you haven't read the thread then you haven't read the thread and any point you try to raise becomes mute.



Tell me how my statement is wrong rather than say ZOMG ITS WRONG, Maybe i don't know half off it but neither does any-one else is this thread hence the discussion.
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