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Rizzelet
United States74 Posts
Does Adidas, who makes Soccer balls, demand usage fees from the World Cup? This analogy would be correct if Adidas invented the game of soccer/football. The soccer balls, in this metaphor, would be more closely related to the mice and keyboards the players use. I definitely have to side with Blizzard on the topic intellectual property but I don't feel kespa should be treated so harshly if they genuinely tried to negotiate peacefully with blizzard, which I somewhat doubt was the case. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
On June 01 2010 10:31 Rekrul wrote: lots of foolish discussion in this thread u guys are morons if you think blizzard is going to 'ruin' progaming etc it will be fine lol With Activision and Kotick having part of the say...I don't know. It's like picking between getting hit by a sledgehammer or a baseball bat. Both are pretty damn close in the amount of pain they inflict, and both are not going to be the least bit pleasant to endure. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On June 01 2010 10:31 Rekrul wrote: lots of foolish discussion in this thread u guys are morons if you think blizzard is going to 'ruin' progaming etc it will be fine lol The burden of proof is on them. How on earth are we to know how they would even run eSports? Are they going to put up the money necessary to run things? Are they going to find new sponsors (the current sponsors have already made a statement of solidarity against Blizzard on this)? On one side we have an established eSports scene, and on the other we have a company reaching well beyond anything they're used to doing. That is, an organization whose very livelihood relies on eSports' success... versus a game designer who is concerned about selling their next product. You'd be insane to trust Blizzard with the future of progaming. It's in their best interests to make sure older games die and newer ones succeed them, regardless of actual quality. At best, they're going to let Gretech try to shoulder the load, and in the unlikely event they succeed Blizzard will then attempt to reap the rewards for themselves. This isn't speculation - it's clear from the demands Blizzard was making, as well as from KeSPA's statement that they were willing to actually pay royalties (which wasn't 'enough'). | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
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Drunken Argument
United States15 Posts
On June 01 2010 10:22 tenpromicro wrote: I know we are going off in to a bit of a tangent, but the issue of account names can easily be bypassed. They can easily buy new copies of the game and create fresh accounts used for showmatches only. But they wouldn't be able to practice. Each progamer would need a new account every 24-48 hours, or however long it took Blizzard to ban them. Thats thousands of SC2 accounts plus the showmatch accounts, with new showmatch accounts needed for each match (since they can't hide their names in the broadcast). It's not economically viable. Edit: spelling error | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:07 QibingZero wrote: The burden of proof is on them. How on earth are we to know how they would even run eSports? Are they going to put up the money necessary to run things? Are they going to find new sponsors (the current sponsors have already made a statement of solidarity against Blizzard on this)? On one side we have an established eSports scene, and on the other we have a company reaching well beyond anything they're used to doing. That is, an organization whose very livelihood relies on eSports' success... versus a game designer who is concerned about selling their next product. You'd be insane to trust Blizzard with the future of progaming. It's in their best interests to make sure older games die and newer ones succeed them, regardless of actual quality. At best, they're going to let Gretech try to shoulder the load, and in the unlikely event they succeed Blizzard will then attempt to reap the rewards for themselves. This isn't speculation - it's clear from the demands Blizzard was making, as well as from KeSPA's statement that they were willing to actually pay royalties (which wasn't 'enough'). As long as Blizzard leaves the same people (all eSport people minus KeSPA people) stay where they are - things will be fine  | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:16 keV. wrote: Actually, both sides of the issue have expressed their dismay, over the possibility of "players getting owned". That is a multi-purpose argument.People like me, who would rather have blizzard are not expecting blizzard to pay for pro-gaming houses. Players getting owned is just an argument against this reoccurring idea that KeSPA has done a flawless job with progaming, and the status quo is fine. It's not. | ||
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Ighox
Norway580 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Kashmir
New Zealand178 Posts
On June 01 2010 00:01 Nade wrote: So start at age, lets say, 16, you start pro gaming training, 12 hours per day for like 8 years down the road and suddenly brood war died, what skills do you have? your 500 APM obviously will bring you further in life Data entry :D. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. | ||
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tenpromicro
United States119 Posts
On June 01 2010 11:18 Drunken Argument wrote: But they wouldn't be able to practice. Each progamer would need a new account every 24-48 hours, or however long it took Blizzard to ban them. Thats thousands of SC2 accounts plus the showmatch accounts, with new showmatch accounts needed for each match (since they can't hide their names in the broadcast). It's not economically viable. Edit: spelling error blizz isn't gonna randomly ban every account that palys more than 12 hours a day. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
If this is goes to the Korean Courts, Blizzard IMO wont stand a chance. simple as that. Its not like Blizzard has puppets in the Korean Gov't or Justice dept. its quite the opposite. Blizzard cant do shit in korean courts because Korean gov't/justice will be pressured by the people. and seeing how ACTIVISION/blizzard is acting, i dont think they will get sympathy from korea and its culture. | ||
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Mr.Ch4rms
Canada84 Posts
Kepsa saying they are doing it for the fans. Blizzard saying they are doing it for thier IP rights. hah. | ||
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gyth
657 Posts
GOM will get a more than fair price, but they live there. They can't act as manner as they'd like, or kespa might deserve. | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
Kespa saying they are not really doing it for the money is disingenuous. The make up of the association, (how the teams and companies themselves make up kespa) virtually guarantee's that they are in it for the money. Do you really thing that Samsung cares about starcraft? Or CJ? The companies could care less about a stupid game. Except it gives them popularity and exposure in asian markets and increased market share in their respective markets. You can tell they arn't in it for the love of starcraft by how they treat B-teamers etc. They arn't the ones winning games // getting exposure so they arn't getting anything. Except they might be the next jaedong or flash so they have to be given /something/. So room and board + food. Not technically major expenses since they already own the buildings and the food they get is kinda.....crappy. Pretty much, Kespa has shown a distinct lack of honesty and credibility. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On May 31 2010 12:50 Two_DoWn wrote: I think both sides are completely full of shit. Blizz wants all the money they can get out of Korea, and KeSPA wants to keep all of that money in their hands. KeSPA is used to having complete and utter control of the Starcraft scene, and there is no way they are going to give that up without a fight. The only problem is that they are trying to bluff their way to victory against an opponent who has every single card. gg KeSPA, either figure out a way to keep Blizz happy enough that they let you continue to do what you do with minimal interruption (Translation: pay a shit ton), or wait and hope that blizz sponsored esports fails so you can step back in on the cheap. I agree. Both companies probably were never serious in the offers they made each other. Now it's about who can spin this the best way and win public support. There is no way that Blizzard will win this case in a Korean Court of Law but on the other side if SC2 replaces SCBW in terms of popularity then KeSPA is finished. So it all comes down to the next year or two. Interesting to see who will win. I think both companies are bluffing. If it comes down to it this is like a arm-wrestle. But I can't see either side winning without compromise, which ultimately I think will happen. KeSPA will pay a fair amount as opposed to a "modest" amount and Blizzard will stop being money-grabbing whores if SC2 fails as an esports. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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tenpromicro
United States119 Posts
On June 01 2010 13:33 dogabutila wrote: Kespa is just lying all over the place. There really isn't any reason to believe them. IIRC they really never agreed to want to pay royalties, and now they are claiming they said they would. They said there was no NDA, and there really is. Kespa saying they are not really doing it for the money is disingenuous. The make up of the association, (how the teams and companies themselves make up kespa) virtually guarantee's that they are in it for the money. Do you really thing that Samsung cares about starcraft? Or CJ? The companies could care less about a stupid game. Except it gives them popularity and exposure in asian markets and increased market share in their respective markets. You can tell they arn't in it for the love of starcraft by how they treat B-teamers etc. They arn't the ones winning games // getting exposure so they arn't getting anything. Except they might be the next jaedong or flash so they have to be given /something/. So room and board + food. Not technically major expenses since they already own the buildings and the food they get is kinda.....crappy. Pretty much, Kespa has shown a distinct lack of honesty and credibility. It seems that the NDA issue was a misunderstanding, not some kind of lame trick KeSPA was trying to pull. | ||
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