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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
May 24 2010 05:00 GMT
#161
Yeah I think this video brought up a lot of things I hadn't thought of when I had first heard about the incident. I was more just angry, but I didn't realize all the trouble it could cause T_T

Really emphasized how delicate of a balance E-Sports is on :/
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Dr_Strange
Profile Joined April 2009
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 06:11:28
May 24 2010 06:11 GMT
#162
Great job sub team.

I love the guy eating. He just wouldn't stop. When he takes a break you can see him eying the food.
I am the sorcerer supreme.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
May 24 2010 06:19 GMT
#163
these people are professional entertainers/actors. Also, to pretend as though they didn't know abou this... is disingenuous to say the least.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
May 24 2010 06:21 GMT
#164
On May 24 2010 15:19 omninmo wrote:
these people are professional entertainers/actors. Also, to pretend as though they didn't know abou this... is disingenuous to say the least.


To say Kingdom and iloveoov are professional actors is a bit much, no?
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
The_Voidless
Profile Joined March 2010
United States184 Posts
May 24 2010 06:34 GMT
#165
I would love to lose my money betting on Starcraft.
If you're not first you're last.
shinigami
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 06:41:19
May 24 2010 06:39 GMT
#166
What's really interesting is the whole cultural "respect your elders" aspect to this case. If there was such a scandal in North America/Europe, the accused would simply be burned at stake and the issue resolved fairly quickly.

However, this betting scandal truly hurt everyone on an emotional level. It doesn't help that the early pro-gaming era was, indeed, built on blood, sweat, and tears (aka Ideal Space, now Hwaseung Oz).

Personally, I think the middle man's (Uhm Jaegyung?) reasoning is correct, and that the left's (Kim Carrier?) is too radical. In the end, you can't stop cheating permanently... The system will need time to be able to filter it out effectively enough for cheating to be unlucrative.
I was thinking about joining a debate club, but I was talked out of it.
Radical
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States481 Posts
May 24 2010 06:51 GMT
#167
I just finished watching it, and my favorite part was definitely the part at the end with boxer and oov. Thanks again to the translators.
astalkulo
Profile Joined October 2007
United States444 Posts
May 24 2010 07:04 GMT
#168
Starcraft is bigger than this scandal and those players who participated on it. I hope and believe E-sports survives and like Oov said we can look back at this dark times and say, "That is in the past". I have followed this game since 2001 before vods and youtube and I still feel the same excitement when I watch it now. My respects for the elder players have grown so much more I will always be in debt for the entertaining nights and good times. Long live Starcraft guys and sorry to say this but Fuck Starcraft II
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
May 24 2010 07:11 GMT
#169
Can nobody see the good in the bad ?

New prison inmates pro-gaming team !!! ^____^;
decemberTV
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 07:19:47
May 24 2010 07:17 GMT
#170
Did anyone else catch the "terrible, terrible damage" easter egg in the translation?

"Our image has been terribly, terribly damaged" Was that intentional? Boxer so epically handsome <3 Oov so gorilla <3

Even though I'm sad about the situation i think scandals like these are marks of the growth of an industry, and I'm very uplifted because of how many people showed up to the OSL finals.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
May 24 2010 07:24 GMT
#171
thanks for the work guys
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
bovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Japan208 Posts
May 24 2010 07:25 GMT
#172
great stuff guys! thanks for the translation

most impressed with what iloveoov had to say. wished they had an interview with nal_ra!
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
May 24 2010 07:42 GMT
#173
I really liked the part with boxer and oov at the end. What oov had to say was really well put

Hoped to see Nalra tho
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Lawliet
Profile Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
May 24 2010 07:49 GMT
#174
Great translation guys. I cough a few minor things here and there but you got the overall message through.

I'm a little troubled by what the guy on the left says. When he says a what these cheaters did was like stabbing the community he specifically uses the word "bisu". It's not inappropriate or anything but it is a big archaic for casual conversation..... kind of feels like he uses that word specific as a hint... This would really suck because he was the guy who inspired me to play tos.....

Also for people who don't really get it. In Korea respect (especially for your elders, upperclassmen, and people in position of power) is really, really important. So is public image. So essentially this not only ruined the previous generation's public image, it basically ruined everything they have done to get e-sports more seriously.

It's really sad that these people who worked hard over a decade has all their work ruined and they're the ones apologizing and asking for people to believe in the community while the people who are at fault will just get slaps on the wrist and walk away with their image intact.

skronch
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2717 Posts
May 24 2010 08:03 GMT
#175
thanks so much for the translation. guy on the left is raging HARD
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 24 2010 08:10 GMT
#176
Youtube version is up for those who can't torrent or use MU.
God Bless
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 24 2010 08:10 GMT
#177
On May 24 2010 16:49 Lawliet wrote:
Great translation guys. I cough a few minor things here and there but you got the overall message through.

I'm a little troubled by what the guy on the left says. When he says a what these cheaters did was like stabbing the community he specifically uses the word "bisu". It's not inappropriate or anything but it is a big archaic for casual conversation..... kind of feels like he uses that word specific as a hint... This would really suck because he was the guy who inspired me to play tos.....

Also for people who don't really get it. In Korea respect (especially for your elders, upperclassmen, and people in position of power) is really, really important. So is public image. So essentially this not only ruined the previous generation's public image, it basically ruined everything they have done to get e-sports more seriously.

It's really sad that these people who worked hard over a decade has all their work ruined and they're the ones apologizing and asking for people to believe in the community while the people who are at fault will just get slaps on the wrist and walk away with their image intact.


Don't worry about Bisu, I'm pretty sure he's legit, as he's in Oldboy Ep 10, which was aired immediately after this show was.
God Bless
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
May 24 2010 08:24 GMT
#178
Pro starcraft will recover if the fans really love it. Stuff like this has happened in EVERY major sport. It hurts, but you get back on your feet. I would actually like to see all the guilty players given a second chance some day, but I dont know if the community/powers that be would allow it.
RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 09:01:16
May 24 2010 09:00 GMT
#179
They are too emotional about the situation, it's over-dramatizing and doesn't perceive as natural.

Action has to be taken, damage has been done, but it's not a shame on everyone, those who are involved should be punished. How? They have their own people to decide the means of punishment.

And how the video is presented isn't most appealing for me, talking while eating feels rude, even inapropriate.

For me it's just a hype and bla-bla. Everything is going to be solved and it's going to be ok.

P.S. Huge thanks for translation and editing. Any insight is good
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9588 Posts
May 24 2010 09:02 GMT
#180
This was recorded 1 day before the OSL finals between Flash and EffOrt, am I right?
It's good to see that a lot of people despite all of this, came to see the finals. I really didn't imagine the magnitude or the scale that this crime would affect before watching this.
I really hope people will come to the MSL finals too, and that E-Sports will somehow recover and live on.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
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