EPTBandwagon Broodwar - Page 9
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United States1401 Posts
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
 fOrGG is someone I will consider that was once a great player, and hopefully, he'll be one again, seeing as he's nowhere near an old age for progaming. Nothing will make me want to take them away as my favorites. Never!!! (Pun: Never_V_ = fOrGG) | ||
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Loldts
United States66 Posts
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Harem
United States11393 Posts
On October 20 2009 10:24 Loldts wrote: So what does it mean when someone is a Mantoss fanboy? He won back then, and he still manages to take games off Flash now, BEST BANDWAGON EVERRRR? Huh? He has never beaten Flash. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On October 20 2009 07:11 Plexa wrote: Not in the slightest, why should i be? This doesn't contradict anything riptide/myself said in BBW tbh, this is what I thought right away. Hot_Bid's article is more of a clarification of one point in riptide/Plexa than a rebuttal. He comes at it from another slant, certainly, but it's not like they're arguing opposite things. On topic: From the perspective of a newish fan (I started following at about the GSI), I don't much care to watch the old-school players play. I'll admit that I only watched BoxeR vs Yell0w out of all the Heritage League games (and not even live, though tbh the only games I've watched live since the Bisu-JangBi MSL final have been the odd Proleague games where Bisu is up first for SKT so i can watch him and still get to bed at a decent time). I admire and respect them, but like Hot_Bid I have little interest in watching anything but the best. Interestingly, though, I became a Bisu fan during the period when he was not the best - not even the best Protoss. I just liked his style better than Stork's, so I cheered for him through his wrist injury and slump. The previously mentioned MSL final was such sweet vindication. I think I'm rambling at this point. End post. | ||
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omninmo
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
You can compare raw mechanics, maybe skill to some extent. But the game paradigm changes and hence so do the match ups. Playing ZvP in 2004 is NOTHING like playing ZvP today. Lurker contains barely are used (and if they are, they last some minutes, back then a contain could last almost a whole game). The match up is being standarized way more. A ZvP today on most maps is 9p / 12p expo, grab third, lair spire 5 hatch, sim city, hydra pump and then it might branch, but it usually doesn't, it's hydra ling to lurker/muta temp snipe. Back then games branched a lot more cause the factors were not as stable as they are right now. A 2 gate attack by a protoss could end with a Templar follow up, with a forge expo, maybe even with the zerg losing his natural. And this were not exceptions like they might be today, I used to watch lots of replays, most of them from pros and it was not rare seeing games changing back and forth so much. I drifted away too much from the main argument i think, but my main point is you can't compare results, or maybe even skill today to 3 or 4 years ago. You have lots of factors, maps, opponents, game paradigm. Dunno it doesn't make sense to me. Of course you can say that the EffOrt of today would toy with the NaDa of today. But can he be as much accomplished? Can he dominate as much as NaDa did? or Oov? survive the test of time like both did? I don't think it even makes sense to seek and answer to these questions. Ride the bandwagon, I will be in my elitist bus in the front, with a few others  ! | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
forGG has a MSL gold title. Iris has no gold titles. forGG stats TvZ: 28-15 (65.12%) IriS stats TvZ: vZ: 60-49 (55.05%) forGG wins more, but I would watch IriS any day over forGG. He plays way more entertaining games, even if he loses to stupid shit now and then and I bang my head against the keyboard for it. He has that "fuck it" style in every match-up. forGG will always wait for units if he finds a strong defence, mass up and then attack. IriS now and then just stims and pulls brilliant micro, risking the result of the game in one move maybe, but make it more entertaining and just catching lots of players with their pants down. | ||
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FallingTeardrops
United States46 Posts
On October 20 2009 11:10 IntoTheWow wrote: Also I really DO appreciate style. I will make a stupid comparison for the sake of it. forGG has a MSL gold title. Iris has no gold titles. forGG stats TvZ: 28-15 (65.12%) IriS stats TvZ: vZ: 60-49 (55.05%) forGG wins more, but I would watch IriS any day over forGG. He plays way more entertaining games, even if he loses to stupid shit now and then and I bang my head against the keyboard for it. He has that "fuck it" style in every match-up. forGG will always wait for units if he finds a strong defence, mass up and then attack. IriS now and then just stims and pulls brilliant micro, risking the result of the game in one move maybe, but make it more entertaining and just catching lots of players with their pants down. I could have sworn your rank icon 'LS' meant something... | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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johnychan
United States1 Post
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DivinO
United States4796 Posts
Truthful, and sensible, although mindshattering for some of the nubs. Nice to see TL is emphasizing what needs to be emphasized. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On October 20 2009 11:10 IntoTheWow wrote: Also I really DO appreciate style. I will make a stupid comparison for the sake of it. forGG has a MSL gold title. Iris has no gold titles. forGG stats TvZ: 28-15 (65.12%) IriS stats TvZ: vZ: 60-49 (55.05%) forGG wins more, but I would watch IriS any day over forGG. He plays way more entertaining games, even if he loses to stupid shit now and then and I bang my head against the keyboard for it. He has that "fuck it" style in every match-up. forGG will always wait for units if he finds a strong defence, mass up and then attack. IriS now and then just stims and pulls brilliant micro, risking the result of the game in one move maybe, but make it more entertaining and just catching lots of players with their pants down. Actually, I wholeheartedly agree with this. IriS is definitely one of my favourite players, and possibly my favourite player altogether. I really like watching him play. | ||
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barthos
United States30 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On October 20 2009 13:32 barthos wrote: This is a far cry from being loyal to your home city. That geography doesn't exist in Starcraft Geography doesn't exist in starcraft? What about half of all Draco fans? Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the article, although I am reminded that I hold Much in a special place for his PvZ. Yes, you read that right. Much[gm]'s PvZ. Oh, and I like (but not love) Nsp_Flower for his hilarious zodiac build when he made it to the MST and failed. Aside from those two, I'm quite a bandwagoner. I find myself appreciating nearly all of the top players, for no particular reason. | ||
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