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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 07 2009 06:44 GMT
#421
Truthbringer after the day post: "Is it worth analyzing on priest so that an angel can protect him or should we just hope the mafia don't figure out who he is?"

Such a fricking obvious tell. Much worse than ydg talking about how the priest should roleclaim after we can make him invulnerable. Why was this not in your post L? I showed it to BC and he said well YDG has a wider body of tells but honestly nothing he's done seems that suspicious to me and there hasn't been a single clue toward him. Truthbringer's clues we're good, I thought araav's were better but a vote for araav is useless at this point, and Truthbringer's behavior + clues easily outweighs araav's clue + behavior so I'm changing my vote.

It's obvious priest clues are only there to help mafia and, secondarily, angels. Truthbringer's been in a few games, I'm sure he'd understand that. Given the night 1 hit list, mafia suck at analysis and were probably hoping for a freebie from us. No can do.

Also, I dunno how the hell BC could honestly miss that. I still believe the araav analysis I made, but BC is still on about this vehicle thing that seems iffy to me. But he's also going on about how YDG wants to know about the Priest when TB was doing the same thing, but worse. Plus there are zero clues for YDG vs. plenty for TB. His discussion hasn't been much less chaotic than YDG's, starting with araav and moving to YDGs so (sorry I'm capitalizing it, I can't help it ) I'm not totally buying it but I'll go after him if clues come up. Could be that BC is doing great analysis on the priest behind the scenes and shotgunning gems like "entusman -> enterman" in the thread. If MBH is rezzed, we're in the clear. If not, I wouldn't role claim to anybody. Whether BC is good or bad aligned we can force him to use double lynches in our favor (or give himself away if maf). I see he's posting now about the truthbringer evidence I showed him in MSN...
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 07 2009 06:52 GMT
#422
Also, I suppose I should post this, too: BloodyC0bbler informed me that if you look at the first set of mafia kills on the player list, 7, 15, 19, 21 and change them into letters, it spells: G O S U... I dunno how someone would figure that out although I suppose I should be happy that our mafia enemies are more intent on playing Alphabet Soup than Mafia. BC says Plexa told him that but that could just be a ploy to get me to think he's innocent (and thus in need of Plexa to explain the kill list to him since that implies BC was not involved in its creation) and to use the first set of kills to take suspicion off of skilled, active players and onto people who take the game less seriously. Dunno what to think. I LOLed at first but it obviously should be able to tell us something useful.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 07 2009 19:16 GMT
#455
Also, some people have been voting foggy (L has said to vote foggy today and rain tomorrow) - if it is foggy tonight, and we discuss priests, we won't have enough protection to spread amongst possible priests - it also could encourage angels to gang up on the town's consensus of who the priest is and then get suicide bombed.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 07 2009 22:20 GMT
#463
How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 07 2009 23:19 GMT
#466
On July 08 2009 07:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
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On July 08 2009 06:50 ydg wrote:
There's a lull now so I shall repost this:
On July 07 2009 11:12 ydg wrote:
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On July 06 2009 19:06 Lenwe wrote:
First of, 'The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all', is (or could be) a quote from the Mulan movie, made by Walt Disney in 1998. I've never seen this movie, nor know anything of the legend behind it, but perhaps some people more knowingly could use this to link the clue further to Araav (or use it to refute the clue ofcourse).

Now, some other things that I noticed, this could ofcourse be completely false (I don't have a history of good clue hunting), but perhaps something to consider.

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The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.


This could(!!) be applied to BC himself. He walks arrogantly, as BC has done this game, promoting that he is an experienced player and that he should get the votes. He walks straight into the control room and takes control of it, like he has taken control of the town. Also, while there could be truth in his YDG explanation, he has been feeding us with diffirent suspects after the second post and with most explanations given for those I don't agree. I also don't agree with the fog decision but more on that later.

Mr. Julia as the pulsating man could be a clue towards BWDero profile picture. In it is a picture of a man 'pulsating' with lighting, so that could be a clue towards him.

The bomb man and the tall, lanky man are hard to find for me, but I'm a pretty sure they are clues. Perhaps we are looking for two friends, or two people who agree a lot with each other in this thread (although they would have to do that before the day 1 post, because they were working as a team already in that post). The method of killing everyone with a bomb could be a clue as well ofcourse.

France, Switzerland and perhaps the Netherlands as well are countries famous for their cheese. The cheese factory is such a strange setting I do believe there is a clue there.

Finally (for now at least), I think we should vote rain as the weather choice. Mrbabyhands as a proven townie around who we can gather the remaining town is a pretty big thing, considering he is such a good player. Therefor I don't think we should take the risk of the mafia finding out who the priest is and sending the suicide bomb after the priest. Fog reduces their kill power by one, but a good lynch will do the same time. I'm not sure who to lynch right now, but will vote later today and make a new post then.

On July 06 2009 11:45 L wrote:
I'm going to do this a bit more in depth and with colours, because short posts are easy to swamp with terrible ones if mafia wants to move to the next page.

Day 1
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All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget.

As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes.

The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room.

Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place.

“Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead.

Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter.

Day 2
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Liquiville prided itself on it’s cheese, after all it was Liquiville’s primary export. The Cheese factory lay on the outskirts of the village and operated around the clock manufacturing cheese. Four members of the Mafia congregated outside of the factory and planned to butcher the occupants and ruin the towns economy. The Mafia entered the building and split up; two travelled alone while two travelled together.

The first headed straight for the control room. His quickened walk looked almost arrogant as he kept his eyes peeled for any sign of resistance. The Mafioso burst through the control room door and Shikyo leapt from his chair in shock. Disappointed that there was only one occupant, the Mafioso sighed and punched Shikyo in the gut, causing him to fall face first onto the ground. Standing above Shikyo, the Mafioso opened fire on his head. By the end of the incident there was more metal inside of Shikyo’s head than organic material. Satisfied with a job well done, the Mafioso signalled to his colleagues that the Control Room was secure.

The team of two got to work right away sabotaging the Cheese factory. As one sprinkled fox glove seeds all over the cheese, the tall lanky one kept vigilant in case security was alerted. Elemenope had been alerted to their activities moments ago upon hearing the prolonged roar which had come from the control tower, which then prompted him to look outside his window which overlooked the entire factory. As a security guard for the factory, he knew it was his responsibility to protect the exports at all cost. He launched himself out of the window towards the two saboteurs in hopes to catch them by surprise. However the lanky one was well aware of what was going on. A simple sidestep was enough to have Elemenope come crashing to the floor, immediately the other Mafioso tied him up and strapped a bomb to his chest. No one was able to help Elemenope before the timer ran out.

There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate. “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out.

Four Mafia had entered, but only three had returned to the exit. All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home. vivi57 was the last security guard on duty and was know well aware that the place had been hit by the Mafia. He was hiding around a corner, near the safe room, hoping the Mafia would leave him be. However, the instant the 3 Mafia passed the corner he was struck down by a large faintly warm object. He fell to the ground dazed and confused, but could make out 3 fuzzy shapes leaving with some kind of psychedelic object draped over one of their backs. The three Mafia noted that he was still alive and opened fire on vivi57 – the sheer intensity of the bullets severed vivi57’s body in two.

Meanwhile in Liquiville’s most holy temple a Priest was channeling all his rage and hate into the corpse of the recently deceased MrBabyHands. Uncertain of what his fate would be, the Priest knew in his heart that whatever the outcome, MrBabyHands must walk again for the sake of the town. The resurrection had begun.


Red Clues link to TruthBringer:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=TruthBringer

First off is the Arrogant look. This links twice to the profile.
The first link is via the skeleton picture. Slightly leaning back, the skeleton has the most arrogant possible look I've ever seen put on bones. Bit stretched, but whatever. His name also links here, since it implies that he's somewhat of a cocky guy.
The second link is the fact that he kept his eyes peeled; Carbon FC links here: it is a glassy carbon used to make motorcycle visors.

Next: Shikyo leaps out of his chair in shock.
Well, no fucking shit, a skeleton just broke into the room.

Third: The method of death;
Explicit reference to a lack of organic matter in Shikyo's head, much like the decayed skull that TruthBringer has. That's not the 'big clue' though. The fact that his head is filled with so much lead that its more metal than flesh, however, is. An entire pistol clip couldn't do that, but a chaingun sure fucking could.

Fourth and Lastly: Vivi's death
Vivi is cut in half by bullets. Chainguns can do this, pistols cannot, rifles cannot, shotguns would need to be near point blank and fired in a specific pattern to do so.

Overall, the chaingun is pretty telling here.

Blue clues link to Kuja900.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kuja900

Note how there's very little solid information directly related to the character besides for his love of explosives. He's the only one I have linked to explosives via his mybrute (I checked all of the one listed in profiles, as of right now, his is the only one with a bomb). He also seems to be fairly quick, which his character is.

Between the two, Truthbringer is obviously a far better target, but I haven't found someone who links to explosives as well as Kuja. The fox glove clue can link to digitalis or cardiac drug medicines, but we can wait a day and see if anything extra comes up here.

So to recap: Vote the shit out of TruthBringer.

On July 06 2009 07:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I fixed profiles for players, since they weren't included for some reason
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On July 03 2009 15:31 araav wrote:
hey, hey

let's see who is who, shall we?

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And THERE'S the teamliquid rep hiding his gun in the corner, raging about the NDA, i don't think security is going to see this... if he can get that off before it's scouted this will be VERY BAD for the commentator.

And THERE HE GOES, this is a FANTASTIC move by the attempted murderer, I'm trying to hide behind the podium, just moving back and forth so he can't get a clear shot as he HARASSES me with the lazer sight, is he going to squeeze off a shot, YES!!!! And my left lung COLLAPSES, that is a HUGE problem for our release schedule! - motbob

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Chezinu has a cursed green skin that the old god of the mafia world has given him. The cursed caused him to be nothing more than a vanilla townie as long as the god reign. But Chezinu now has hope! A new god of a new mafia world has appear and Chezinu was fortunate enough to be the 18th soul to be transfer to the new world. If the new god of mafia has favor on Chezinu and remove the curse, there would be great praise to the mighty Plexa!

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<< Comment #7 @ 17:22 GMT, 3 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++'
changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively
Edited by Demiurge at 17:25 GMT, 3 March 2009
<< Comment #46 @ 07:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #7
Not really. For people like me, who've only watched the proof (do i even need inverted commas?) posted here on esr, the only real option is can't decided, because they proof nothing either way. That's not the same as not careing by a long shot.
<< Comment #52 @ 09:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #46
How is the effect not the same again? I didn't say they were same things, I said they lead to the same.
Edited by Demiurge at 09:50 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #54 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #52

By USSR Demiurge ++'
changed 'can't decide' to include 'don't cares', since they're the same effectively

<< Comment #55 @ 10:23 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #54
and no, they are not.
<< Comment #58 @ 10:28 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #55
The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about?
<< Comment #60 @ 10:31 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #58
Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing.

I like your style.
<< Comment #64 @ 10:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #60
"Nazis killed 6 million jews. Jews get old and then die. So in both cases jews are dead and it's the same thing."

How the FUCK do you get off just leaving out a word? Its not the SAME THING. But EFFECTIVELY its the same thing.

"I like your style."

What did you say? You like my hat? Thanks.
<< Comment #69 @ 10:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #64
If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. But then again, we all come to esreality to read retarded posts, so go ahead.

This thread delivers. :>
<< Comment #73 @ 10:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69
Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is?

Let me make this very simple for you.

A leads to C
B leads to C

A and B have same effect.

A and B are effectively the same.

Do you understand now?
<< Comment #74 @ 10:51 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #73
No. Can you maybe explain again? I'm a bit slow.
<< Comment #80 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #74
You have to tell me which step you fail at.

1.
A leads to C
B leads to C
2.
A and B have same effect.
3.
A and B are effectively the same.
Edited by Demiurge at 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #91 @ 11:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #80
but the point is that the options do not lead to the same effect.

If you only want to know if people think he cheats or not, then yes not caring and being unable to decide have the same effect.

but if you also want to know how many people don't care about the topic and how many think that the provided data isn't good enough as proof but think its possible that he cheats, then your edit effectively denies them the information.

As with a technical observations it's a matter of the scope
<< Comment #119 @ 15:25 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #91
Yes, obviously some of the information is lost. Yes, I'm throwing A and B together. Yes, the scopeo f this poll is higher then the particularities such as A and B. But this doesn't have anything with the statement that A->C and B->C and therefore A and B are effectively the same, which is a true statement.
<< Comment #134 @ 17:49 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #119
only if the relation is transitive, which isn't the case here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation


/edit:
or at least I and several others are of the opinion that is isn't...
Edited by becks at 17:50 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #136 @ 18:12 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #134
Of course the relationships are arbitrary. You CAN choose to ignore causality or the transitive relationship "implication", but it makes a lot of other things simply moot. If anyone thinks that way you might as well ignore the poll completely or demand that you can select both Yes and No options at the same time or something.
<< Comment #138 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #136
while nothing of you say is completely wrong you are missing the point.

people wanted the information that you took away with your edit, while imo nothing was gained through combining the options.
It would have made some sense if it had let to more people to decide on the "yes" or "no" part, but for that you would have to remove the "don't care" option completely instead of adding it to the other option.
<< Comment #76 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #69
"If you can't see the difference, or let's call it flaw in your argument, then I wonder how the fuck you ever got to work in or study anything technical. "

Flaw in my argument? Hello, am I the one who just decided to leave out a key word out of a statement and then proceeded to have an argument about that, totally self-made statement? In what sort of technical field is ignoring whole parts of the equation a good thing?
Edited by Demiurge at 11:10 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #78 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #76
In solid state physics, for example.
<< Comment #81 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Germany - Nordrhein-Westfalen nekon ++' - Reply to #78
lol ughe nerd
<< Comment #84 @ 10:59 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By pandabearguy KekS ++++ - Reply to #78
he accidently the whole sentence
<< Comment #85 @ 11:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #84
shit .
<< Comment #56 @ 10:24 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #54
What the fuck is the problem?

they're the same effectively

You can't read?
<< Comment #59 @ 10:29 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #56
even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll. See #48, #49, #51.

oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?
<< Comment #63 @ 10:34 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #59
"even if you said they'd lead to the same thing, effectively, it is still not the same, thing or not, effectively. stop being a shit troll."

Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is? Saying they lead to the same is same thing as saying "EFFECTIVELY the same". Stop being plain fucking stupid.

"See #48, #49, #51."

So there is one dumb person and two trolls? What the point?

"oh and last time an admin (even site admin) decided to edit other users' posts, people went nuts. what about that?"

Holy jesus christ, god forgive me, everyone is going nuts already. Starting with you.
<< Comment #67 @ 10:40 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #63
Stop being plain fucking stupid.
<< Comment #71 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #67
Do you know what 'effect' means or what causality is?

Let me make this very simple for you.

A leads to C
B leads to C

A and B have same effect.

A and B are effectively the same.

Do you understand now?
<< Comment #137 @ 18:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By United States of America Lo ++ - Reply to #71
just tell him he doesn't understand how the word 'effectively' changes the meaning of your original statement. so many posts for something that could've been resolved in 2 or 3 posts.
<< Comment #151 @ 12:30 GMT, 7 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #137
you don't settle arguments involving yeltsin in 2-3 posts. ever. but it's just trolling anyway :>
<< Comment #68 @ 10:41 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #59
ESR delivers
<< Comment #61 @ 10:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #56
They are not even close to the same. One option says that you don't care, e.g. haven't looked at the demos, followed the discussion etc while the other options makes clear that you have, in fact, spend some time on it and came to the conclusion that the presented evidence so far is inconclusive.

They are not effectively the same, they are not even related. Better options would have been yes/no/inconclusive evidence/dont care.

Not saying it matters much anyway, since it's a fun vote.
<< Comment #66 @ 10:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #61
The effect of one is that no decision is made and the effect of the other is that no decision is made. What are you talking about?
<< Comment #70 @ 10:44 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #66
That's not the correct translation of effectively though, which would be something like for all practical purposes.
<< Comment #72 @ 10:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #70
"Effectively" literally means "With effect".
"For all practical purposes" is actually the same thing. Practically, realistically, logically. The point is that the EFFECT of both is the same.
<< Comment #75 @ 10:52 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #72
your attempt at funny failed. get over it.
<< Comment #77 @ 10:53 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #75
Get over what? Do you have anything meaningful to say, at all?
<< Comment #79 @ 10:54 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #77
Who are you to judge really, lol!
<< Comment #82 @ 10:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #79
Good thing I'm not judging, I'm asking! LOL!
<< Comment #83 @ 10:58 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #72
No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process. Language is not math. Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentialy the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same.

But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision.
<< Comment #87 @ 11:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #83
I can easily see how this happened considering the sensitive topic here, but leave the poles out of this.
<< Comment #88 @ 11:04 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #87
Lol, will leave this Freudian slip in for comical value :D
<< Comment #89 @ 11:07 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #88
:D
<< Comment #90 @ 11:09 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #83
"No, one refers only to the result, the other to the whole process."

Which to which?

"Language is not math."

Depends on how you use it. You can describe math in using English language if you want to.

"Saying locking someone in prison after a trial in accordance with the rule of law is essentially the same as holding someone hostage in your basement is not true, even though in both cases you restrict the persons freedom to move, so the result is the same."

No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move".

"But even if I'd follow your definition, the effect in this pole is not the same. Don't care means no decision at all, inconclusive means a conscious decision not to make a final decision."

First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same?
<< Comment #93 @ 11:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #90
but can you describe language using math?
<< Comment #97 @ 12:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90

No, first, saying 'they're essentially the same' is not as saying they're 'effectively the same. Second, saying 'they're effectively the same' is wrong too, because basement is not jail, so the result is NOT the same, but similar. You can, therefore, say that in both cases you're "effectively restring the persons freedom to move"."

http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1665821#pid1665821
Same applies to your statement then?

( also http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/effectively )

Besides, the whole point of the prision example was that whether or not the result is the same depends on what your preconceived notion of what you're comparing is. If you say that the place of inprisonment is of importance to the result, than you're already taking circumstances into your definition of result. That's the way language works and what my "not math" statement was aimed at. There is no objective result the way an equation has a solution.

Which is why essentially, for all practical purposes and effectively are all used synonymous.

Again, given that effectively only applies to one result, whichever that result may be:


First case no decision is made. Second case, no decision is made but a different reason. The effect is the same?

It all becomes a case of what we think of as a result in this context.

Becks pretty much said it up there http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1666585#pid1666585 .
The only "result" that really matters is whether or not the two options are the same for the outcome of the poll .
Edited by .syL at 12:51 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #122 @ 15:43 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #97
Yes, same applies to my statement. However, the point about the scope and what poll is really moot. In the prison example, we have effects that can be interpreted as different. In this case we simple do not. We have A and B or we just have the effect C. There is no intermediaries. This is why I can just say that A and B are effectively the same. Me saying that they are effectively the same basically gets rid of the only other possibility that I care about the original A and B.
<< Comment #123 @ 15:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #122
See, and this is what I don't get. You have yes/no/informed undecided/don't care. Why are the last two the same? Purly because they are neither yes or no?

A yes or no question doesn't necessarily has to have only two possible answers that can be true, and that's the case here.
<< Comment #128 @ 16:38 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #123
It's semantics of the choice name. I simply included the second half of the 'other' subset in the Yes/No/Other subsets poll that was completely ignored originally.
It's Yes/No and just Other and not subcategories of others because those are the simplest all-inclusive choices. 'Yes' and 'No' can be broken down as well, and there is no end to the possibilities as to how anyone reached the answer or DIDN'T reach it, which is the 'Other'. I didn't make this poll. I just amended it to what I saw as including all possibilities.
Edited by Demiurge at 16:46 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #143 @ 20:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Nuke Explosion raithza ++ - Reply to #123
You know what I think... I think we should have a another poll, related to this one, but not let everyone vote, only limit it to the people that voted don't know/don't care in this one, then have two options in that poll, like one would be for "don't know" and the other one would be for "don't care", and then people would vote and we would know the true answer to this dilemma.

and stuff
<< Comment #109 @ 14:20 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #90
agardenchair aside, the more I think about it the more I feel we're on the same page anyway. We just have different expectations as to what the result of this poll is.

I guess that if all you're looking for is whether a majority of users thinks he cheated, with don't care/undecided counting neither towards yes nor no, then I'd agree that it doesn't matter WHY they are undecided.
But from my point of view at least, that's not the purpose of this poll*. It is to give an overview of what people think, and in that case distinguishing between don't care and undecided makes sense.





*The real purpose of course being drama
<< Comment #95 @ 12:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #66
He's German, he's talking about the German word 'effektiv' the whole time and will not accept the meaning 'in effect' at this time. I think we should effectively declare him the winner, as that seems to be what he's after, or he will go on forever and lo! his freund spyteman has joined him.
Edited by agardenchair at 12:37 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #98 @ 12:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #95
No, effectively in english has the same primary meaning as in german. Effectively the way he used it is synonymous with essentially, in fact, for all practical purposes.
Edited by .syL at 12:55 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #100 @ 13:10 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #98
Lieber Freund, can you operate google, then hätten Sie see können, dass the English word 'effectlive' can bedeuten both. Ich write in Denglish um to protect you from the eyes of the amused English speaking people areound you, reading your special aggregation of English Wörter with delight.
<< Comment #101 @ 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #100
Are you mentally retarded or just trolling? It's quite clear that no one ever used effectively in the same way as effektiv in german. The whole discussion (examplified by spyte's jew example) was whether effectively (translated as "so far as the result is concerned") only refers to one specific result or takes circumstances into account.

And my argument was that there is no difference, since you can't distinguish circumstances from result in most cases.
Edited by .syL at 13:15 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #111 @ 14:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #101
he's just a troll, it's best to ignore him.
<< Comment #114 @ 14:50 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #111
But where's the fun in that?
<< Comment #115 @ 14:55 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #101
Dummkopf! Schlafmütze! That difference between result and procecss can be applied to 'effective' and 'efficient' but not here. I can use 'effectively' arbitrarily if I say which effect I wish to look at.

Effectively Bayern München won if winning = gaining experience.

It is clear to everyone but you what the thread starter meant in this case. Effectively 'uninterested' and 'undecided' are the same because they are not counted as 'yes' or 'no'.
<< Comment #117 @ 14:57 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #115
<3
<< Comment #102 @ 13:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #100
since you seem to know more than you wrote please elaborate on the matter why the sentences "don't care" and "can't decide" are "in effect" the same. (which does not only mean that they "can" lead to the same result!)

if you want you may use the synonyms listed here: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/in effect
<< Comment #105 @ 14:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #102
No, I will not elaborate on this for syl, spyteman or whoever to start another round of Kindergarten banter. Liebe people, groß und klein, from Germany and elsewhere, pull euch gefälligst a little zusammen, wenn you are besuching international websites.
Edited by agardenchair at 14:51 GMT, 5 March 2009
<< Comment #107 @ 14:13 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By intelliRocket Blue [mash] ++: - Reply to #105
first drogen experience, genosse?
<< Comment #116 @ 14:56 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #107
mash, syl, spyteman and becks vs. agardenchair... should I be troubled?
<< Comment #118 @ 15:14 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #116
ask your shit troll friend yeltsin for backup
<< Comment #120 @ 15:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By USSR Demiurge ++' - Reply to #118
Have you not any shame? I broke things down for you into the simplest way possible and you have nothing to say to that. But you still post around your 'lol failed' and 'lol troll' snotty remarks like a bitter kid?
<< Comment #121 @ 15:35 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #120
lol troll, you failed!
<< Comment #124 @ 16:00 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #118
'troll' is a handy word for people like you to use on people like me. Your internet presence depends on words like that, One, who does not have command over many words must find words that can be used like daggers or swords to swing in the face of the unknowing person who is thought of being an enemy. Without the trouble of thinking if it fits or not or even has a meaning. And although I can fully understand it, I have disdain for you, even though I don't even know you. It is a small feeling of disgust. The word 'troll' galls me. People who use it gall me. It's against everything positive, fun or productive I can think of.
<< Comment #125 @ 16:02 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #124
jonesy > you
<< Comment #126 @ 16:27 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Quake 3 agardenchair +| - Reply to #125
Okay, although you are writing with someone who is still putting a lot of effort into describing things from his point of view and giving you his time, you go for the spectacularly immature idioms and hieroglyphs of youthful internet lingo to fend off anyone who you deem to be an offender.
<< Comment #127 @ 16:32 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #126
yup. so what?
<< Comment #108 @ 14:15 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By clawo .syL +++ - Reply to #105
wtf?
<< Comment #110 @ 14:30 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #105
oh too bad, I had hoped you would try and fail.
<< Comment #113 @ 14:47 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Ubuntu Linux spyteman ++++ - Reply to #110
he went for fail only it seems
<< Comment #129 @ 17:01 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #113
this thread now has 5 germans in it . this officially qualifies it for the most anal thread in history.
<< Comment #133 @ 17:48 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #129
try visiting counterstrike.de
<< Comment #139 @ 19:36 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! tourist ++: - Reply to #133
yes, but notice that esr is an international site, and as such it's strange that only participants in what's probably the most anal thread ever, are 5 germans and a russian. and me (sry for ruin btw)
<< Comment #140 @ 19:45 GMT, 5 March 2009 >>
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By Beer! becks +++| - Reply to #139
don't be sorry, your appearance probably made it even more anal.



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- white, blue, red, red, yellow, green, purple, brown, black, colors!
- "Procrastination is the thief of time!" - some guy from the 1600s.
- Feyman's "Law of gravitation" <--best lecture I've ever read

There, clues shouldn't be too difficult to think up with all that junk.



SHADOW SHADOW SHADOW! DRAGON FIRE STORK JAEDONG DINOSAUR SPACESHIP

I hope I'm providing the right words. Let's see...

Knife, gun, burning alive, matches, broken bottle, movie sign, punched to death, kicked to death, boiled to death, run over by a car, abducted by aliens, asphyxiation, defenestration, hanging, flaying, flagellation, robbery, arson, etc.

electronic device, book, sunglasses and other accessories.

CAR CAR CAR

cat, dog, any other pet, lion, tiger, wolf,

Little, medium, large


You got me Caller; you got me. I completely omitted an entire section of what could substantiate a clue. Songs. Ipod. Michael Jackson. Bon Jovi. Billy Joel. The beatles. Frank Sinatra. Wang Lee Hom. Bing Crosby. There.

War.

Arrow, scythe, hammer. Moonlight. Alley.



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-Took out RebirthofLegend, cause his profile fucked the format.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=RebirthOfLeGenD

-Took out all confirmed townies(by death)

Weather debate:
On July 06 2009 10:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, as we are not 100% decided yet on weather.

Sunny - Do not vote for, no decent targets to let assassins loose on, not worth the effort.

Snow - Is the potential of their getting an extra KP warrent us wanting more clues.

Fog- if we fail lynch, we have a for sure drop of KP again

Rain - medics can double protect, bomber can't use his bomb.


I personally believe that snow or fog are our best bets today.

Reasoning for this. Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him.
Medics also seem to have a hard time protecting the right people.

Now,
Fog potentially drops KP again (although if we lynch one mafia i doubt this will be the case), and lastly snow

Snow allows us to have lists for dt's to check, and give us extra clues for the following day.

I recommend pushing fog for now, unless new information comes forward.

I just realized, "Rain although useful for its stopping of the bomber, I doubt mafia would be dumb enough to waste some of their KP when we have a plan to give a 100% confirmed role town leadership, bomb would be saved for him." Uh lol. If mafia figures out priest, and are pretty sure of it, they send bomber and confirmed role isn't coming back.

On July 06 2009 04:13 TruthBringer wrote:
The large faintly warm object seems to be Mr. Julia, one of the mafia guys. He is also described as psychedelic. He is good at combinations, and he cracked the safe. He got startled and his burn wound changed color and pulsated. He went into a crazed assault and then passed out pulsating.

There is a LOT of info on Mr. Julia.

I just saw this post too, reminds me of like a PHOENIX OR A FUCKING BIRD PYRR ARE YOU MAFIA??

On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright, I rounded up all the posts by the dead, including from the voting thread:

Fishball:
"Passing by.
Role confirmed."
"I see a lot of math...
If that's what you're planning for BC, I'd say lynch MBH first."
"I abstain"

Shikyo:
"Posting to confirm I got my role. Also, I probably won't be able to be as active as in the last Mafia, but I'll be sure to check this at least a couple of times a day."
(after death)
"Sigh, I've been more busy than I thought I would >< It might continue for a few more days. Anyway, I voted for bloodycobbler solely because I feel that he's the more experienced and solid player. I hope that later tonight I'll have the time to analyse the clues a bit better and actually think about some strategy... sorry everyone :/ Even my liquibet is screwed because of this >< No time to bet."
"Hadn't refreshed for a while, and what do I find... well this helps ^_^ GJ mafia targeting an inactive, easy win town."
"I vote for BloodyCobbler for now. "

Elemenope:
"/confirm

As for the weather: I don't believe Snow first night would be good, as stated since we don't know how exactly clues are going to be based. However, if we wait too long, then we'll miss a good timing window in my opinion. Snow really peaks at its usefulness once we find our first mafia. After that night, the other weathers outstrip it until either all pledges are dead, all assassinations are used, or all angels are dead in my opinion. But we have to get a mafia within the next 2 days (possibly 1), to make the most use out of it if we ever do decide to do Snow, otherwise it's just too late it seems with a KP of 5.

Sunny wouldn't be a good option either for first weather since we have no good targets.

As for Fog or Rain; I believe going for Rain would be the better option. Although there would be a guaranteed drop in KP if we do Fog; Angels only have one protection and there are no second lives for other players (except the angels themselves). With a KP of 5; and only 2 protections available, some of our better contributors can die early on and that would be a massive blow to the town. We can drop that to 4 with Fog, but that'd still leave 2 important people to die (possibly). With 4 protections though, we'd have a better protection spread among the town, and we'd also have the possibility of reducing KP through stacked hits on top of that (which I think is the more likely scenario that will happen if we do Rain).

And although the chance of a suicide bomber on night one is unlikely, we'd still lock him out if we do Rain, in comparison to the possible scenario of the bomber taking out somebody on the medic list *and* the angel(s) protecting him on night one.

I just feel that the risk of having 2 important, contributing members of the town die is just too great compared to double angel protection and most likely forcing mafia to stack hits

Can anybody tell me if I'm wrong in this thinking of Rain over Fog before I send in my vote?"
"Also, Plexa: Can mafia target their own members for hits?"
"WHY AREN'T YOU WARDING THE WHOLE GAME YOU CUNTBUCKET"
"hurrdurr"
"I abstain from voting."

Vivi57:
no posts in main thread
"just got added to the forum, so I'll abstain for now

it's 6:30 in the morning now so I'll read the thread when i'm not half asleep"
"I change my vote from abstain to BloodyCobbler

reason: bc seems like a solid choice and there's no major flaws in his plan. bc over L because after L's 50 pages of spam with ace last game, I have 0 confidence in his ability

edit: bolded properly"

BONUS:

JeeJee:
"also shikyo is mafia"


On July 06 2009 14:03 Malongo wrote:
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On July 06 2009 13:31 HeavOnEarth wrote:
where the hell did araav come from wtf

To be honest i have looked a lot into clues and I think you fit well into Mr Julia. My reasoning:

There was one matter left to attend to – the destruction of the secret Liquiville Cheese recipe. The task was left to Mr Julia, a newcomer (Hi. Nub. Lawl. Ez!!) to the Mafia but nonetheless determined to carry out his orders. Mr Julia had a nack for working out combinations (see your profile) and he had cracked the safe within seconds. He wasted no time in burning the recipe with his lighter. “What are you doing!!” cried fishball, startling Mr Julia and causing him to accidentally burn himself on the recipe. fishball watched in horror and amazement as Mr Julia’s burn wound began to change colour and pulsate (google search on you returns http://www.heavenearth.co.uk/ oxygen+fire => combustion also from that page "Oxygen Supplementation - a Key to Vibrant Health".) “Look what you’ve done!” exclaimed Mr Julia who came lunging at fishball. fishball fended Mr Julia’s first few blows off, but each blow became more erratic and powerful. It wasn’t long until Mr Julia landed a punch square on fishball’s jaw, knocking him to the ground. Mr Julia pounced on fishball and eventually turned fishball into a bloody pulp. Even though fishball was dead, Mr Julia could not stop and eventually, after his body began to pulsate, he passed out. Last note to the fact that Mr Julia has a female name and the suplement is focused on women (see pictures in page).

Im voting to lynch Heavonearth.


If anything else is buried, please post.



Why are you reposting the same shit repeatedly?

To confuse the fuck out of the town.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 07 2009 23:21 GMT
#467
I guess we should think of it this way: if we think mafia/angels will figure out the priest, vote rain. If not, vote fog?
Definitely need rain tomorrow to help MBH live through the night unless MBH says otherwise. He'll probably be able to have a list of confirmed blues to pass info towards.
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July 08 2009 02:16 GMT
#484
On July 08 2009 10:08 redtooth wrote:
Guys, I feel like we missed an essential part of mafia analysis. That part being: why isn't ________ dead?

Prior to the Day post, there were 3 "prime" targets:
- L
- Heav0nEarth
- Pyrr

They were the biggest movers/shakers not named BC. Why would mafia play alphabet soup instead of trying to knock off the actually helpful people? The question is whether one of them is mafia or whether they are doing more harm to the town than good (Pyrr's clue analysis is often farfetched and L's friendly banters with BC tend to bury a lot of possibly informative posts) and mafia is just willing to sit back and let them do damage. I'm sure mafia is not incompetent enough to just kill off totally random people with no hints of blueness and no real usefulness than take a shot at the useful ones.

I'm willing to bet that one of the above are mafia.

Remember, the general consensus among the town was that one of the candidates for Emperor is mafia. Why did we totally drop that idea as soon as BC was elected? I believe L and Heav0n are prime suspects and should be watched very carefully. Truthbringer's color will likely reveal a lot but let's not take L and Heav0n (and to a way lesser extent Pyrr) off the suspect list yet.

how is my clue analysis farfetched? my analysis on araav made perfect sense, ydg made a legitimate point on why it might be unlikely and I refuted that. I listed a few lesser quality links with the caveat that I didn't think they were real ones. BC's the one that's been shotgunning clue analysis on judge and some vehicle thing about araav when the flower stuff makes much more sense, and I don't think he could even come up with anything for YDG.
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July 08 2009 02:22 GMT
#485
On July 08 2009 09:28 ydg wrote:
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On July 08 2009 09:18 ydg wrote:
On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.

Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it.
I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object."

The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird.

Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think.
And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct.

But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.


OH AND
http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/014105.html
Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix have the same birthday. Hence, Mr. Julia.

I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.

Because that's fucking likely, Plexa would think well here's a bird, I'll pick an unrelated bird and then find a famous person named after that bird, and then look up what celebrity is born the same day. This is exactly what you were accusing me of earlier. EX-FUCKING- ACTLY. You googled Phoenix and Julia to try to find a link between the two, when if your train of linkage is RebirthofLegend or Pyrrhuloxia or whoever -> Phoenix -> Julia, that couldn't happen because Plexa wouldn't google "Phoenix and Julia" because there's no link between the two unless you look for it deliberately.
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United States6700 Posts
July 08 2009 03:07 GMT
#486
On July 08 2009 11:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 09:28 ydg wrote:
On July 08 2009 09:18 ydg wrote:
On July 08 2009 07:20 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
How is some ravey psychedelic shit like a bird? Maybe the burn thing could vaguely be like a Phoenix but that would have to be more backwards of a link to Pyrrhuloxia than foxglove being a clue for araav which you have shit all over.

Well that's why I brought it up. Thanks for addressing it.
I was thinking, Mr Julia dies (in a fire no less), gets reborn (which is why the mafia "knew what had happened") and it doesn't say anything about them carrying a person, rather "a psychedelic object."

The thing that hit vivi was a "large faintly warm object," which could very well be a bird.

Weak, but I thought that I might bring it up, see what people think.
And no, it is nothing like foxglove, because Plexa did not say "a phoenix rose up and smacked vivi." Instead he is describing a phoenix, so we have to figure out the phoenix bit. And so it's not direct.

But a phoenix may not necessarily point to you, can also point to RebirthOfLeGenD, as in 'rebirth,' and I'm sure there are others. I just wanted to see what people think. But again, thanks for addressing it.


OH AND
http://www.waleg.com/celebrities/archives/014105.html
Julia Roberts and Joaquin Phoenix have the same birthday. Hence, Mr. Julia.

I hope I do get lynched tonight so I can as Plexa if I'm right LOL.

Because that's fucking likely, Plexa would think well here's a bird, I'll pick an unrelated bird and then find a famous person named after that bird, and then look up what celebrity is born the same day. This is exactly what you were accusing me of earlier. EX-FUCKING- ACTLY. You googled Phoenix and Julia to try to find a link between the two, when if your train of linkage is RebirthofLegend or Pyrrhuloxia or whoever -> Phoenix -> Julia, that couldn't happen because Plexa wouldn't google "Phoenix and Julia" because there's no link between the two unless you look for it deliberately.


I forgot to add that where you start with all that is a burning sensation / warmth. And end up at julia roberts. Yeah, no.
Pyrrhuloxia
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United States6700 Posts
July 08 2009 04:19 GMT
#496
Good to mention how weird it is YDG won't vote for TB. I say we string 'em both up.
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United States6700 Posts
July 08 2009 04:45 GMT
#503
On July 08 2009 13:42 L wrote:
Scamp, Chezinu, IloveKT, Scaramanga, Heav0nEarth. all have additional clues linking them to certain characters.

I should have gone to sleep like 2 hours ago and its going to be nearly impossible to shift the votes off one of the two players who are currently tied, so I'll write up exactly why later.

Are you saying you believe our two main suspects are both innocent?
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 08 2009 04:50 GMT
#505
From voting thread:
On July 08 2009 13:30 redtooth wrote:
i change my vote to abstain.
please get truthbringer killed.

you know what would help with that...
IF YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE TO TRUTHBRINGER YOU RETARDED PLEDGE
I can't think of any other reason why you would post something like that except if you knew truthbringer is red and gonna die and you want to look for that happening, but you don't want a mystic to be able to check you since they can't check abstainers.
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United States6700 Posts
July 08 2009 05:01 GMT
#507
On July 08 2009 13:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
From voting thread:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 13:30 redtooth wrote:
i change my vote to abstain.
please get truthbringer killed.

you know what would help with that...
IF YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE TO TRUTHBRINGER YOU RETARDED PLEDGE
I can't think of any other reason why you would post something like that except if you knew truthbringer is red and gonna die and you want to look for that happening, but you don't want a mystic to be able to check you since they can't check abstainers.

I guess this could mean redtooth knows TruthBringer is innocent and wants to get his vote off of co-mafia YDG and by abstaining he won't be among those looking suspicious for picking the innocent TruthBringer + won't be able to be checked by the Mystic.
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United States6700 Posts
July 08 2009 18:05 GMT
#559
On July 09 2009 02:27 redtooth wrote:
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On July 08 2009 13:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
From voting thread:
On July 08 2009 13:30 redtooth wrote:
i change my vote to abstain.
please get truthbringer killed.

you know what would help with that...
IF YOU CHANGED YOUR VOTE TO TRUTHBRINGER YOU RETARDED PLEDGE
I can't think of any other reason why you would post something like that except if you knew truthbringer is red and gonna die and you want to look for that happening, but you don't want a mystic to be able to check you since they can't check abstainers.

*sigh*.
okay. the reason why i voted abstain instead of truthbringer is by abstaining i sort of guarantee truthbringer's death (it was 12-12 with him and ydg but abstaining gave truthbringer a lead almost minutes before votes were finalized) but i don't increase the votelist count so mystics have more names to deal with. i understand its only a difference of 1 but it is enough of a difference. stop making retarded assumptions.

e: just wanted to mention that i was actually thinking about voting myself (e.g. I vote redtooth) to keep myself off the abstain list and create a possibility for a virtual rolecheck in an isolated list but didn't know if that was legal. so question: is it legal?

You don't want to increase the count so they have more names to deal with. Ya, that might work as an explanation if you were confirmed innocent. As for voting for yourself, I doubt you can do that but you could have voted for someone no one had voted for before, but then you would just be trying to get someone to waste a vote check on you alone. You goin' down tomato boy.
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United States6700 Posts
July 09 2009 18:05 GMT
#657
On July 10 2009 02:45 LucasWoJ wrote:
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On July 10 2009 02:33 redtooth wrote:
On July 10 2009 02:18 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 10 2009 02:00 ydg wrote:
Btw, if you want to behavior analyze, check these guys out:
ecomania: + Show Spoiler +

On July 03 2009 06:03 ecomania wrote:
got my role

On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote:
I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC.
In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed
to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads
while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post.
I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like
"Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff".
So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes.
As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your
playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent.
It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let
people with more experience do the voting.

Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on
the mafia.

On July 05 2009 23:08 ecomania wrote:
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Too bad he can't talk for 2 days :\


A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho.
So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has
finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer.
I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail.

On July 06 2009 03:15 ecomania wrote:
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On July 06 2009 01:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Ecomania - inactive but voted very early on for L, seems insanely suspicious.


Well I already wrote a post explaining why I voted for L and why I seemed inactive... did you miss it or am I still on the hit list anyway?

On July 06 2009 23:36 ecomania wrote:
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On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote:
been a bit inactive in this game

So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?

other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?



Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest.
If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him
we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.

On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote:
I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me.
Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first.
But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P
Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones...

On July 08 2009 20:31 ecomania wrote:
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On July 08 2009 20:00 Plexa wrote:

Upon going back to their houses in preparation for the night, araav felt the urge to consume some food. Sitting down at his dinner table with a fresh wedge of cheese he knew his craving would be fulfilled. Unfortunately, someone had screwed up at the cheese factory and the wedge was coated in poisonous fox glove seeds. araav fell to the floor dead within minutes of consuming the food.


Doesn't that make araav/Caller innocent? I guess a mafia wouldn't eat the cheese he poisoned himself.


StorrZerg:+ Show Spoiler +

On July 06 2009 22:19 StorrZerg wrote:
been a bit inactive in this game

So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?

other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?

On July 06 2009 23:42 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2009 23:36 ecomania wrote:
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote:
been a bit inactive in this game

So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?

other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?



Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest.
If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him
we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.


but it won't be a mafia member correct?

also is it a big chance the mafia will try their hardest to get MBH killed again, so that we the townies are left with no one to trust again?

On July 07 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote:
I don't get the end.. Under a lot of _____

???

On July 07 2009 01:24 StorrZerg wrote:
Thanks by medics do you mean angles?

On July 07 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 01:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On July 07 2009 01:24 StorZerg wrote:
Thanks by medics do you mean angles?


yeah. i'm using the terminology from the old mafia games out of habit


aha its all good

this context is fun

On July 07 2009 04:31 StorrZerg wrote:
be the worst game ever if we lynched the priest lol

there goes all the hard work and planning lol.

On July 07 2009 07:24 StorrZerg wrote:
aggressively sounds fun on with the lynching! or not....

I'll vote for rain

On July 07 2009 11:34 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 11:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 07 2009 11:23 ydg wrote:
On July 07 2009 11:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So just stop.

OK. Btw why do you capitalize my name?


Habit from my first game I ran, I had you capitalized on all my spreadsheets and word docs i wrote up.


spreadsheets holy crap...

well people need to vote in, and then the game can move on.

On July 07 2009 21:56 StorrZerg wrote:
darn i was hoping to survive this game by following blind orders

On July 08 2009 00:06 StorrZerg wrote:
Voting is ended i think... O_o

On July 08 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote:
when does it end now then O_o?

On July 08 2009 03:16 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 01:19 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On July 08 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote:
when does it end now then O_o?


I think in about 12-13 hours.


18:00 KST time he just said.

don don. we got some time.

On July 08 2009 12:46 StorrZerg wrote:
anyone who posts near 100k is mafia i agree

On July 08 2009 22:28 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 22:19 Malongo wrote:
Congratulations L this was your lynch. And BC: any words?


i think hes sleeping right now...

So if BC is the grandfather, alliance checks won't work on him right?

so there really is no way to find out?


On July 08 2009 23:47 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 23:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
I'm almost positive this is our mafia breakdown.

1 Godfather
2 Mafiosos (was 3 originally)
4 Pledges.

Day 1, they would've had a total KP of 4.5, rounded up to 5 (ceiling)
We voted fog, it got lowered to 3.5, rounded up to 4. 2 pledges out of the equation
Day 2, we lynch one mafioso, and it gets lowered to 3 with the fog vote. -1 Mafioso and -2 pledges from the equation.


so is there any other way it could be?

1 GF
4 Mafiosos
3 Pledges?

On July 09 2009 00:33 StorrZerg wrote:
<3 for the math

On July 09 2009 02:12 StorrZerg wrote:
maybe they should move in together?

On July 09 2009 02:20 StorrZerg wrote:
o why your mafia and calling it out all ready? or sin?

On July 09 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote:
cause i can't see in fog.... i mean i stumble along the paths and trip.


sorry just trying to liven up the game

On July 09 2009 02:59 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 02:43 redtooth wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:34 inertinept wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\

Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that.


are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you...

fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?

because the potential benefits of rain are better. with fog we decrease their kp to 3 from 4 so that equates to 3 mafia hits tonight. assuming the angels miraculously do their jobs correctly, we have a net kill of 1. however with rain we double the angels protect powers to a total of four saves and get a net kill of 0.

I'm not saying I agree with infundibulum. i was torn between the two myself (do we trust angels or play it safe?). but don't accuse him of being mafia simply because he disagreed with weather.



yeah that requires the angles 2 people 4 saves (rain) to protect what 20 people? the odds of that happening are far less, and just gives mafia more kills rather than less

On July 09 2009 04:22 StorrZerg wrote:
Seeing that sun made me think of a new day

On July 09 2009 08:06 StorrZerg wrote:
wanna predict whose gonna die? lol

On July 09 2009 10:33 StorrZerg wrote:
thought this game was suppose to stay in here lol

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 09:34 L wrote:
Hey, Dipshit, You're going to die next lynch.



less mafia kills me now lol, so i guess that means you think im a townie

On July 09 2009 11:31 StorrZerg wrote:
cool

On July 09 2009 21:41 StorrZerg wrote:
im so lost as to whats going on.. how did they find the priest?

On July 09 2009 23:51 StorrZerg wrote:
seems like our angles are dumb / smart since they did not protect him

On July 09 2009 23:55 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 23:23 MrBabyHands wrote:
so that means i'm only partially resurrected. making me the undead?

*stumbles around aimlessly*

brraaaaiiiiinnnnnssss!



ahh nooo don't eat me

Now these are the same people LucasWoj said were mafia (along with judge and chaoser lol) and what have their posts been?
Not much. Not helping the town. Especially StorrZerg, he has so many posts yet not one of them is helpful at all, or even trying to be helpful.
StorrZerg also voted for Truthbringer towards the end, when it was around 12-10, him being the 12th. Ecomania voted for me with his lame pretense "But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P"

Finally, these two have no profile information besides their names. So it should be easy to look up clues for them.
EDIT: spoilers


We'll take care of you tonight


err.....I mean today.
Lucas. If you were a helpful townie you would stay quiet. You're just annoying everybody with your trolling.



I think I've made it quite obvious to everyone that I am a green townie though. Therefore,
TIME FOR STEP #2.
EVERYONE SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I AM CONFIRMED GREEN.

Is this hurrdurr? I see nothing explaining this anywhere.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 09 2009 18:05 GMT
#658
Alright, I see BC is going on about how I am Mr. Julia so I should respond:
He says the video is about a locked door but it's a guy opening his own door because he already knows the password, not a safecracker.
He says the changing color thing is from the gun in Another World, which, as L pointed out, isn't true.
He says a fireball burns the dude in the video, when it is really him getting hit by accelerated particles, which is explained in the text within the video, again L, a confirmed innocent, came to this conclusion as well. Additionally, L pointed out "Overall, the pulsating quality, the berserker lack of ability to stop, his name (perhaps not a clue) and his one spoken line are kinda unaccounted for."
I think the most important part of Mr Julia is the changing color -> berserk and how they "instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia" which sounds like Hulk and could point to the green skin of Chezinu. Alternatively the burning -> to healing could indeed be a Phoenix which would point to Rebirth of Legend.

Way forward in next post.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 09 2009 18:09 GMT
#659
Well I guess BC's attempt to leave me alive to get me lynched was kindly F'd in the A with today's clues - pretty sure nothing could link me to military background or facial surgery and the glowing from the video wasn't yellow.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 09 2009 18:24 GMT
#666
Also, the other big problem is how this town has the attention span of a goldfish. I catch redtooth in a trap, and no one stand up for him but himself and ydg, both with the most spurious logic, and no one bats an eye. We only have one mystic left, we can't let people squirrel away from her/him.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 09 2009 18:30 GMT
#670
On July 10 2009 03:25 LucasWoJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2009 03:23 redtooth wrote:
On July 10 2009 03:11 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 10 2009 03:05 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On July 10 2009 02:45 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 10 2009 02:33 redtooth wrote:
On July 10 2009 02:18 LucasWoJ wrote:
On July 10 2009 02:00 ydg wrote:
Btw, if you want to behavior analyze, check these guys out:
ecomania: + Show Spoiler +

On July 03 2009 06:03 ecomania wrote:
got my role

On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote:
I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC.
In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed
to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads
while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post.
I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like
"Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff".
So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes.
As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your
playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent.
It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let
people with more experience do the voting.

Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on
the mafia.

On July 05 2009 23:08 ecomania wrote:
Show nested quote +
Too bad he can't talk for 2 days :\


A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho.
So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has
finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer.
I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail.

On July 06 2009 03:15 ecomania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2009 01:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

Ecomania - inactive but voted very early on for L, seems insanely suspicious.


Well I already wrote a post explaining why I voted for L and why I seemed inactive... did you miss it or am I still on the hit list anyway?

On July 06 2009 23:36 ecomania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote:
been a bit inactive in this game

So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?

other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?



Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest.
If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him
we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.

On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote:
I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me.
Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first.
But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P
Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones...

On July 08 2009 20:31 ecomania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 20:00 Plexa wrote:

Upon going back to their houses in preparation for the night, araav felt the urge to consume some food. Sitting down at his dinner table with a fresh wedge of cheese he knew his craving would be fulfilled. Unfortunately, someone had screwed up at the cheese factory and the wedge was coated in poisonous fox glove seeds. araav fell to the floor dead within minutes of consuming the food.


Doesn't that make araav/Caller innocent? I guess a mafia wouldn't eat the cheese he poisoned himself.


StorrZerg:+ Show Spoiler +

On July 06 2009 22:19 StorrZerg wrote:
been a bit inactive in this game

So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?

other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?

On July 06 2009 23:42 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2009 23:36 ecomania wrote:
On July 06 2009 22:19 StorZerg wrote:
been a bit inactive in this game

So when MBH gets revived, shouldn't the angles protect him so that he can revive someone?

other wise, once he gets up and "takes over" leadership. he can just be killed off, and the reviving process will be lost correct?



Afaik not MBH but a random player will be designated to become the next priest.
If we don't want the suicide bomber to blow MBH up together with the angels protecting him
we would have to vote for rain after MBH has been revived.


but it won't be a mafia member correct?

also is it a big chance the mafia will try their hardest to get MBH killed again, so that we the townies are left with no one to trust again?

On July 07 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote:
I don't get the end.. Under a lot of _____

???

On July 07 2009 01:24 StorrZerg wrote:
Thanks by medics do you mean angles?

On July 07 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 01:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On July 07 2009 01:24 StorZerg wrote:
Thanks by medics do you mean angles?


yeah. i'm using the terminology from the old mafia games out of habit


aha its all good

this context is fun

On July 07 2009 04:31 StorrZerg wrote:
be the worst game ever if we lynched the priest lol

there goes all the hard work and planning lol.

On July 07 2009 07:24 StorrZerg wrote:
aggressively sounds fun on with the lynching! or not....

I'll vote for rain

On July 07 2009 11:34 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 11:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 07 2009 11:23 ydg wrote:
On July 07 2009 11:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So just stop.

OK. Btw why do you capitalize my name?


Habit from my first game I ran, I had you capitalized on all my spreadsheets and word docs i wrote up.


spreadsheets holy crap...

well people need to vote in, and then the game can move on.

On July 07 2009 21:56 StorrZerg wrote:
darn i was hoping to survive this game by following blind orders

On July 08 2009 00:06 StorrZerg wrote:
Voting is ended i think... O_o

On July 08 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote:
when does it end now then O_o?

On July 08 2009 03:16 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 01:19 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On July 08 2009 01:12 StorrZerg wrote:
when does it end now then O_o?


I think in about 12-13 hours.


18:00 KST time he just said.

don don. we got some time.

On July 08 2009 12:46 StorrZerg wrote:
anyone who posts near 100k is mafia i agree

On July 08 2009 22:28 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 22:19 Malongo wrote:
Congratulations L this was your lynch. And BC: any words?


i think hes sleeping right now...

So if BC is the grandfather, alliance checks won't work on him right?

so there really is no way to find out?


On July 08 2009 23:47 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2009 23:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
I'm almost positive this is our mafia breakdown.

1 Godfather
2 Mafiosos (was 3 originally)
4 Pledges.

Day 1, they would've had a total KP of 4.5, rounded up to 5 (ceiling)
We voted fog, it got lowered to 3.5, rounded up to 4. 2 pledges out of the equation
Day 2, we lynch one mafioso, and it gets lowered to 3 with the fog vote. -1 Mafioso and -2 pledges from the equation.


so is there any other way it could be?

1 GF
4 Mafiosos
3 Pledges?

On July 09 2009 00:33 StorrZerg wrote:
<3 for the math

On July 09 2009 02:12 StorrZerg wrote:
maybe they should move in together?

On July 09 2009 02:20 StorrZerg wrote:
o why your mafia and calling it out all ready? or sin?

On July 09 2009 02:38 StorrZerg wrote:
cause i can't see in fog.... i mean i stumble along the paths and trip.


sorry just trying to liven up the game

On July 09 2009 02:59 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 02:43 redtooth wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:34 inertinept wrote:
On July 09 2009 02:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Ugh why did people vote fog? This could be bad :\

Caller, the way I interpreted that writing was that the "roar" was either the roar of gunfire or an alarm, not the mafioso's signal. Especially since it's described as "prolonged". It is a funky word choice though, I'll give you that.


are you trying to act like mafia? people are already suspicious of you...

fog halves the killing power of PLEDGES and we got rid of a MAFIA, fog is actually very good. add to the fact that we really dont need vote list checks this early and it guarantees a low kill night while we gather up more information. how is fog bad again?

because the potential benefits of rain are better. with fog we decrease their kp to 3 from 4 so that equates to 3 mafia hits tonight. assuming the angels miraculously do their jobs correctly, we have a net kill of 1. however with rain we double the angels protect powers to a total of four saves and get a net kill of 0.

I'm not saying I agree with infundibulum. i was torn between the two myself (do we trust angels or play it safe?). but don't accuse him of being mafia simply because he disagreed with weather.



yeah that requires the angles 2 people 4 saves (rain) to protect what 20 people? the odds of that happening are far less, and just gives mafia more kills rather than less

On July 09 2009 04:22 StorrZerg wrote:
Seeing that sun made me think of a new day

On July 09 2009 08:06 StorrZerg wrote:
wanna predict whose gonna die? lol

On July 09 2009 10:33 StorrZerg wrote:
thought this game was suppose to stay in here lol

Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 09:34 L wrote:
Hey, Dipshit, You're going to die next lynch.



less mafia kills me now lol, so i guess that means you think im a townie

On July 09 2009 11:31 StorrZerg wrote:
cool

On July 09 2009 21:41 StorrZerg wrote:
im so lost as to whats going on.. how did they find the priest?

On July 09 2009 23:51 StorrZerg wrote:
seems like our angles are dumb / smart since they did not protect him

On July 09 2009 23:55 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 23:23 MrBabyHands wrote:
so that means i'm only partially resurrected. making me the undead?

*stumbles around aimlessly*

brraaaaiiiiinnnnnssss!



ahh nooo don't eat me

Now these are the same people LucasWoj said were mafia (along with judge and chaoser lol) and what have their posts been?
Not much. Not helping the town. Especially StorrZerg, he has so many posts yet not one of them is helpful at all, or even trying to be helpful.
StorrZerg also voted for Truthbringer towards the end, when it was around 12-10, him being the 12th. Ecomania voted for me with his lame pretense "But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P"

Finally, these two have no profile information besides their names. So it should be easy to look up clues for them.
EDIT: spoilers


We'll take care of you tonight


err.....I mean today.
Lucas. If you were a helpful townie you would stay quiet. You're just annoying everybody with your trolling.



I think I've made it quite obvious to everyone that I am a green townie though. Therefore,
TIME FOR STEP #2.
EVERYONE SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I AM CONFIRMED GREEN.

Is this hurrdurr? I see nothing explaining this anywhere.

lol, definitely mafia.

EDIT: Have you even been reading this thread? Go back and re-read it and you'll find that I've been confirmed GREEN.

DON'T LET PYRR'S POSTS COVER UP MINE. SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I already have four now. You cannot trust anyone but me, right malongo?
Don't make us waste a lynch on you. Even if you were a confirmed green there would be no point in sending in roles to you because you are absolutely retarded and could not possibly coordinate anything.


I find the word retarded to be offensive. In the future, please use 'mentally handicapped/challeneged" Thank you.


That's it, I've had it with this shit. Rule number 1 of Mafia: Lynch all liars. This fucker is obviously trying to bury something with sludge after pretending to be confirmed green to get the roles of a few dumbass sheeple. You post shit again, you're dead. I find clues for you, you're dead.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
July 09 2009 18:32 GMT
#672
On July 10 2009 03:28 StorrZerg wrote:
would it be wrong to link Bockit?

his icon being a mask, phantom of the opera gliding flying ect ect.


or am i going no where?

ooh also, the time mentioned is 3:14, pi is about 3.14 and bockit has that circular thing... I haven't seen any weird behavior from him though I haven't looked hard.
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