EPTAt this point, all the mafia can vote for one person if that person is clearly going to win, based on bandwagoning.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
At this point, all the mafia can vote for one person if that person is clearly going to win, based on bandwagoning. | ||
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So no fek
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
 We also have another person who made one post so far now voting for Shikyo, even after he said he was going to vote for someone else (although this was before Shikyo announced he was running). Seems kinda strange he would straight up change his vote without saying anything at all. I suppose "bandwagoning" as you guys call it happens a lot....unless there's something else going on. | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 19 2009 09:40 JeeJee wrote: well, this is a smaller game by TLs standards no doubt, but in general it is actually pretty large. all depends on your point of reference Yep, the only other times I've played Mafia is with my friends during a retreat, which was with about 15-20 people. We still had very fun games, even though it might be considered "small". It really depends on from where you're seeing the number of people. | ||
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
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crate
United States2474 Posts
To the candidates: I'd like to see you step it up. The town needs to come up with some sort of plan for the future days. If you're serious about the town winning, then regardless of who's voting for you it's in your best interest to help brainstorm ideas for possible scenarios. None of the four candidates have convinced me they're enough of an asset to ensure the bodyguard protection is worth spending on them. Shikyo probably has the best platform, but it's only talking about himself. What about the rest of your town, guys? This game isn't about winning the election; it's about finding and outing the reds. Here's a start, pulled from my own Mafia experiences in the past and from reading games on this site: I think getting a confirmed towny is a great situation; it lets us roleclaim to that person (who can then compare with the role counts we know) and organizes a mouth for DTs to speak through to give us their information while leaving the fewest number of town-aligned players exposed. Whoever our confirmed towny is should keep everyone on a need-to-know basis so that we can check inconsistencies better--if a mafia roleclaims DT, for instance.... Having an incarceration available for the confirmed towny is also great. This exact scenario happened in Chuiu's Mafia 5 as I suggested earlier. The problem is getting a confirmed towny. I see two possible ways which I already talked about. The best is a successful Vigi hit on a mafia if we can strongly connect the clue analysis to the Vigi. The other is getting a blocked medic hit on anyone, in which case the medic can confirm the innocence of the person who was hit. Hm... This post is obviously unfinished (how can the mafia try to muddle this plan? how can we as a town get around that? what if we don't get a confirmed towny?). I'll leave it this way for now--I have stuff to do--and see what other people can fill in on it/add to it. When I get a chance I'll come back to my thoughts and see if I can think of other plans should we not be able to confirm a towny. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 19 2009 09:24 Foolishness wrote: Shikyo, it is interesting that you mention mafia only have 6 votes for a person, obviously since a candidate cannot vote for himself. Looking at what's happened so far, you have not yet voted for someone, and you also have stated that you are iffy about voting altogether. Clearly, a mafia running for office would not vote for anyone else as that would lessen the chances of him winning. Also not to mention you have received some votes from some not very active people, which seems suspicious. Yes, only 6 votes for a person. 7 mafia total, 1 being the candidate. I think I got the math right. If you've actually looked at the other candidate's platforms that might partly be a reason for why those inactive people haven't voted for them, although I'm sure you considered that. Actually, a mafia running for office most likely would vote for someone. Namely, a player he thinks wouldn't be that useful in the office. Voting wouldn't decrease the mafia electee's chances at all. If he's close to dropping out as third, the mafia electee will just vote for the person who's winning. If he's winning, he'll vote for the person who'd be least useful in office. It's easy to think that abstaining would make your chances of getting into the office, but that's not really true. It might be relevant if the mafia electee was specifically trying to win, but as has been said already, it seems like the role of the Mayor would benefit mafia more than the Sheriff, and hence mafia has no reason to do that. If it was a 3-way tie, the electee will just vote for someone who's lost his chances to win anyway. Oh yes. And a townie electee would vote just the same if he was trying to get elected, so that doesn't make a difference in my eyes. If it does, won't mind admitting that I'm wrong. On May 19 2009 09:29 teks wrote: Yeah I also proposed this idea earlier in this thread. I'm sure you are also aware that this does raise questions about your status as well, seeing how you're making this proposition when you can be relatively sure to get into office. If you do happen to be the only red participating in the election, not only will you gain an office position, but also make the DT's waste role checks. Even if there is a chance this could happen, I still support this idea. In the case that the DT's do not find any mafia amongst the remaining candidates, we gain two things: 1) The possibility of there being mafia in office 2) Forming a Town Hall consisting of DT's and the losing candidates. This would prove useful as the candidates are people who say they are experienced and active. If the DT's DO find a mafia, all the better :p I thought I already agreed with you back then, but I think I did that only in my mind. I guess you could get suspicious of me, but that can't really be helped and I still think it'd be the best thing to do. Of course, if there'd be better suspects for role checks, they might get a higher priority. About DTs, it might be worth clue checking people with the most clues pointing to them. Jayme, for example, would be a likely target for a clue check. On May 19 2009 09:33 So no fek wrote: I highly doubt that all the mafia would vote for one candidate. Especially in a smaller game. The smart thing for them to do would have a few people vote for the candidate they want, enough that if a few townies join in, they secure the election, while the remaining mafia members vote for a townie to toss off suspicion. And the main problem with the DT checking the other candidates, is it wastes their limited amount of rolechecks, with no reasoning behind rolechecking them other than "they ran for mayor and didn't win". I'm not saying it's a bad idea, because we can almost always assume that mafia wants a position of power, and thus is likely to run for mayor. If we rolecheck and get two townies, we can lynch the mayor, as he's likely mafia. But that all seems like a very risky way of doing things. We use up rolechecks on iffy suspects, and if worse came to worse, we lynch a townie mayor because the other candidates came up townie. These are actually valid concerns, and even though I think it'd be a good idea, we still should give a higher rolecheck priority to more... suspected suspects. But even if they turn green, we can't go lynching the mayor for no reason, we have to closely study his votes and what he's been saying and such, and if something feels off, then it might be good to lynch him. I love how Foolishness is basically doing nothing in this thread but casting suspicion on me, without actually considering for a second that it might be possible that some people actually like my campaign better than the others'. I think before this he only posted twice before, let's see... Oh, you were saying that lynching inactives is a bad idea and that we should be lynching suspicious people, and then you're basically saying that I'm that suspicious person. Interesting, although I don't really find a person, who says that lynching inactives is a bad idea, all that credible. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
First, I would like to respond to all the accusations pointed towards me. from EsbenPM: LTT's head slumped, sounding a horn that would not be heard in time -iLoveKTF has a picture of what appears to be soundwaves in his profile which could lead to this if its a clue. my response: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natin99 from teks: "slumped" iLoveKTF - KTF in nick and picture in profile my response: Well it pains my heart to agree that KTF is slumping hard.  I don't think pyyr would use an obvious clue like this to point to me. Its just too obvious because KTF is in my ID. And on top of all, its still a Day 1 clue.@ shikyo, I am more interested of the 1st kill than the sheriff's skill, thats why I'd prefer the mayor. I see the elections have begun and no one has voted for me yet... So I would like to make my platforms clearer.If elected Mayor, I still stand by my original plan to use my autolynch power to kill an inactive. The reason why lynching an inactive is beneficial to the town whether we kill a blue or a red has already been explained. I will also use my 3 votes to stop a bandwagon. If elected Sheriff, I will use my Incarceration power to the people who I think will be a threat to the mafia because of their strong clue/behavioral analysis. If elected anything (lol) I will make an updated list of things like player's number of posts, who he voted for, etc. As a proof of being committed to making such, take note I was the one who made the player's profile list. IT IS NOT TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOURE VOTE. VOTE FOR iLoveKTF. VOTE FOR VICTORY!!! ![[image loading]](http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9297/ilovektf.jpg) Also, I have the best poster. Plus points. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 19 2009 10:12 crate wrote: Keep in mind we are electing two people here. Even if you think Shikyo is the best candidate that doesn't mean the best move is to vote for him. To the candidates: I'd like to see you step it up. The town needs to come up with some sort of plan for the future days. If you're serious about the town winning, then regardless of who's voting for you it's in your best interest to help brainstorm ideas for possible scenarios. None of the four candidates have convinced me they're enough of an asset to ensure the bodyguard protection is worth spending on them. Shikyo probably has the best platform, but it's only talking about himself. What about the rest of your town, guys? This game isn't about winning the election; it's about finding and outing the reds. Here's a start, pulled from my own Mafia experiences in the past and from reading games on this site: I think getting a confirmed towny is a great situation; it lets us roleclaim to that person (who can then compare with the role counts we know) and organizes a mouth for DTs to speak through to give us their information while leaving the fewest number of town-aligned players exposed. Whoever our confirmed towny is should keep everyone on a need-to-know basis so that we can check inconsistencies better--if a mafia roleclaims DT, for instance.... Having an incarceration available for the confirmed towny is also great. This exact scenario happened in Chuiu's Mafia 5 as I suggested earlier. The problem is getting a confirmed towny. I see two possible ways which I already talked about. The best is a successful Vigi hit on a mafia if we can strongly connect the clue analysis to the Vigi. The other is getting a blocked medic hit on anyone, in which case the medic can confirm the innocence of the person who was hit. Hm... This post is obviously unfinished (how can the mafia try to muddle this plan? how can we as a town get around that? what if we don't get a confirmed towny?). I'll leave it this way for now--I have stuff to do--and see what other people can fill in on it/add to it. When I get a chance I'll come back to my thoughts and see if I can think of other plans should we not be able to confirm a towny. This was another great post by you. And yes, those ways are indeed some that allow you to get a confirmed townie. I think I remember discussion about a vigi calling his hit beforehand and then he's be the confirmed townie, etc, but it didn't really work out for some reason. A successful medic protection is likely to be the best way for this, since the clues might be difficult to connect to the vigi. Unless he spoke before he actually hit, in which case he'd tell who he'll hit(He sends his hit before stepping out, and if the mafia didn't plan to hit him beforehand, he will hit). Then it's simple for the town to connect the clues to the vigi and he would become the confirmed townie. Then he'd be incarcerated for the following night and hopefully by the time mafia could do something, the town would have gotten something going. I'm not sure why this didn't work out in that game, it seems great on paper... I believe we should think of DT checklists for DTs, for both clue checks and role checks, later on. Also, we need a medic list for active people who are important for the town. I'm not sure how far we can plan this before the election is actually over, though. And it's about 4:30 am right now so I think I'll get back to this tomorrow. Most of this stuff was common sense, tomorrow I'll try to write something more interesting. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
for medic: You successfully prevented a hit... or something for the mafia's target: I dont really know I havent tried to be medic protected. lol. But point is, Mafia can not kill each other, so you are either a Vet or a towny. And yeah. Our first priority after the election is over is the medic list. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Also keep in mind, if a medic successfully protects X, this doesn't say anything about X's innocence. Sure, it's likely that X is a townie-aligned role that was hit by mafia, but it's also possible that it was a mafia hit by a vigi. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
So, assuming that vigis decide to play along, a medic gets a message of a successful protection on X. Moreover, noone posts any vigi PMs that they have received. At this point the medic can be reasonably sure that X is innocent. comments? | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
comments? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 19 2009 10:18 Shikyo wrote: I love how Foolishness is basically doing nothing in this thread but casting suspicion on me, without actually considering for a second that it might be possible that some people actually like my campaign better than the others'. I think before this he only posted twice before, let's see... Oh, you were saying that lynching inactives is a bad idea and that we should be lynching suspicious people, and then you're basically saying that I'm that suspicious person. Interesting, although I don't really find a person, who says that lynching inactives is a bad idea, all that credible. So what if I'm casting suspicion on you? So far nobody else has stepped up to do the same. You have sat here uncontestently running for office (hardly any of the other candidates have said something against you). People are jumping on the bandwagon believing you because your election ballot was more charasmatic and well written than any of the others, and because you have remained the most active poster so far. I'm sorry for throwing suspicion on you it's nothing personal. I don't want a random person getting into office without knowing his/her true intentions (and I'm sure you wouldn't either). | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
With that being said, I am running for sheriff. Why? Because I am not Shikyo. So far this game, Shikyo has done nothing but post a lot and write a very charismatic ballot. He has run uncontested, and none of the other candidates are willing to step up against him. There has hardly been any debate between him and the other candidates. We cannot let him gain control of an office position so easily like this. There are many suspicious activities going on with his office running. He labeled out the scenario how mafia get 6 votes, and he chooses to obstain his vote, thereby gaining his chance of him getting into office. It is necessary to point out how the mafia would probably not all vote for the same person, but in the scenario where one person is dominating they clearly would. Shikyo has been obtaining votes from the most random of people. People who have not backed up their reasoning and people who have not voted at all. In one case, someone clearly stated that they were voting for one of the other candidates (although this was prior to Shikyo's running), but then voted for Shikyo without saying a word about it (and then latter ignored this fact when he finally did post). Shikyo has seemed like a good candidate until I raised possible suspicion about him. I clearly was not accusing him of anything, I just wanted to hear what he had to say. Instead he retorted almost angerily at me, implying that my posts meant nothing since I have only posted a few times. It is only natural for me to want to make sure we as a town are electing the best people into office. Someone who goes on the defensive when asked why the situation does not add up is not the person we want in office. However I do not possess any qualities that would make me good candidate other than I am not Shikyo. This would be my first mafia game on TL, and none of you have any information about me. But this is all irrelevant. You can cast your vote and put a suspicious person into office or put your vote to better use. Just because he posts a lot does not make him the best choice. You can vote for Shikyo and secure the fact that there will be suspicious happenings, or you can vote for me to ensure the town a victory. Even if you don't want to vote for me, pick someone else besides Shikyo. | ||
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wurm
Philippines2296 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Here's hoping it picks up tomorrow (given that it's already midnight on the east coast) So far, I would like more feedback posted about the plans outlined in the thread as well as the candidates. Foolishness' latest post was.. interesting, but it's Shikyo's reply that I'm looking forward to. Anyway, I'm off to sleep, I'll be back tomorrow. And remember, ![[image loading]](http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7507/campaigny.jpg) Those are the gold chains of justice! | ||
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