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On May 19 2009 05:55 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 05:17 ydg wrote:
Going back to clue analysis, no one has mentioned this part yet:
Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow.
I don't know if Pyrry is using clues to indicate characteristics of mafia like Chuiu does, or if he uses words in his paragraphs relating to information from Mafia.
If it's the first one, then this mafia "creeps" and "crossed the room [of the spacious archery range] from the other side" quite quickly, in the time it takes Qatol to reload. This seems to indicate a sort of animal, to me at least, which may go well with the clue about the cat. we'll know more about pyrr's clue writing style as the game goes on, but this is an interesting catch. archery ranges aren't exactly small (even in that very quote, it's described as "spacious") so crossing it in the time it takes to pull out another arrow does imply something that's pretty fast. anyway i'm getting a bit confused about the lack of activity here... both the coasts should've definitely woken up by now (not to mention europe), and still, only a few people are posting.. given that this is the very beginning, doesn't bode too well. be active people! i hope that in the next few hours activity picks up as people in na come back from jobs or w/e.
I'm not too worried in that American prime time hasn't occurred in any US time zone since the game started. I wouldn't start worrying until 9 hours from now. Day 1 doesn't end until Tuesday night PST.
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On May 19 2009 06:58 So no fek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote:
Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =] Bandwagon voting is never good, however, I'll agree that his campaign is the best. 
yeah i agree, bandwagoning must be discouraged.. especially if it's the only post you make in the thread to date. just doesn't look too good
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 19 2009 07:04 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 06:58 So no fek wrote:On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote:
Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =] Bandwagon voting is never good, however, I'll agree that his campaign is the best. yeah i agree, bandwagoning must be discouraged.. especially if it's the only post you make in the thread to date. just doesn't look too good
Well, I'm sure he'll end up winning at this rate. Sorry, it's my first time participating, so I don't know what to look out for yet, busy reading the last mafia game :D
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What bothers me most about this bandwagon... or start of one really is that Shikyo hasn't really done anything for his platform to warrant this sort of response.
It's a game filled with newer players, a great deal of which might just wait behind the scenes and go with what popular opinion is to not get lynched. All you would really need is a few confidence votes or at least the illusion of one and you'd definitely get the surge of voting needed to bring out other people to your cause.
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All right, guys. I'm going to tell you something that caught my eye.
BWdero has thus far only made one post in this topic. The post was this:
On May 19 2009 00:31 BWdero wrote:That would be Black Bolt, King of the Inhumans. @chaoser Even if we do lynch an inactive blue we don't really hurt the town because they were inactive anyways. I support killing off an inactive. But only if no major suspects come up. Seeing how this is only the first day I seriously doubt any suspects will come up. Seeing as how day 1 clue analysis is rubbish and only an idiot mafia would betray himself so early.
This post can basically be considered as just repeating information that already has been said, without adding anything new. So what's so interesting about this post? It is the usage of some powerful words, especially "idiot" and "rubbish". I checked all of BWdero's post from the last 3 games he played in, and indeed, he never used this kind of language, rather, his posts were respective most of the time, although there were sometimes a few sarcastic lines mixed in. He was a townie in all 3 games.
Also, the word "betray" feels slightly strange here. Would a townie use the word "betray" like this? To me, it seems more likely that he would feel like they themselves would be betrayed to use such a word. Which would make me believe he'd be mafia.
Also, there's the issue of him voting for JeeJee, which is what made me initially check him up, after his first post had caught my eye before. He basically only came on and voted. Isn't that strange? Now, I checked his voting history the past 3 games, and he has generally been bandwagoning, as in, voting for the person with the most votes.In one case in the last mafia, there were multiple possible lynchables, where he abstained. In the same mafia, he voted for Qatol for office after 4 people had voted him before him.
In all the lynch votes, he was generally voting for the person who had the most votes. In mafia 5, however, he voted for semioldguy, although BC had more votes at the moment. After that, however, he changed his vote to Pyrruloxia right after 3 people had voted for him.
So in this case, it seems really strange for him to come on just to vote for JeeJee without having really said anything in the thread for a long time. And his language and word choice seem suspicious to me, as well.
What do you guys think about this?
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On May 19 2009 08:12 Jayme wrote:
What bothers me most about this bandwagon... or start of one really is that Shikyo hasn't really done anything for his platform to warrant this sort of response.
It's a game filled with newer players, a great deal of which might just wait behind the scenes and go with what popular opinion is to not get lynched. All you would really need is a few confidence votes or at least the illusion of one and you'd definitely get the surge of voting needed to bring out other people to your cause.
It's just a wild guess of mine, but maybe it's the same reason why I haven't voted yet... I don't believe their platforms are good enough, really. Jimtudor's would probably be the best thus far, but I'm not really sure about all the with-me-we-kill-all-red attitude in his first post for office cancidacy. The experience and the lynching inactives etc. are, well, pretty obvious in a sense. He's done some decent clue analysis, though, and his later posts have been better, so maybe he'd be my first pick for now. But really, it's still ... yeah.
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Oh yeah, Jayme. What do you think about all the clues people are trying to link to you?
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in terms of voting without posting content, unfortunately that seems to be a recurring theme so far.. both knutti & l10f did the same thing. a few others made one post of content, which is more forgivable of course. it's a bit unsettling when there's basically 9 people who voted so far and 1/3 of them haven't added anything to the thread.
there really should be no reason for any townie to stay quiet since that only hurts the town.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
If you're asking why I voted before I posted, I can't give anything but that I'm a newbie, and when I saw one person had the most votes, I just voted for him. I didn't know that bandwagons were bad for the town. I'll try to understand this game as quickly as possible.
P.S. I'm amazed at how some of you can make such a large arguments from minute details!
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also, @shikyo you can also look at the game where bwdero played in and was mafia.. and also kept his posting style consistent with 'politeness' or whatever. the whole conclusion based on the language analysis part of your post pretty much falls apart there once that is taken into account, it seems.
and l10f, it's clear you're keeping up with the thread given how quickly you pop out of the woodwork when someone mentions your name, so care to elaborate on the current candidates and what you think of them?
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Well, JeeJee, I think there's a difference between joining a bandwagon and actually starting a whole new one. It's easy to join an existing one, and l10f indeed seems like a standard bandwagoner to me, although he really should try to think about it himself. Teks voting for me first seems reasonable to me, trying to think objectively. We had a kind of a conversation a few pages back, for example. Whenever a player is voted for the first time, it makes me suspicious. More suspicious than normally in this case, because BWdero has a history of bandwagoning.
l10f, you might want to read my post for office a couple of pages back, and then read other people's posts, and then decide who you really want for sherif. You really shouldn't vote just because a person has the most votes. But of course it's not like I mind you voting for me, just make sure to decide to do so yourself.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 19 2009 08:48 JeeJee wrote:
also, @shikyo you can also look at the game where bwdero played in and was mafia.. and also kept his posting style consistent with 'politeness' or whatever. the whole conclusion based on the language analysis part of your post pretty much falls apart there once that is taken into account, it seems.
and l10f, it's clear you're keeping up with the thread given how quickly you pop out of the woodwork when someone mentions your name, so care to elaborate on the current candidates and what you think of them?
Yes, I'm watching every few minutes or so.
So far it's
Shikyo - 6
JeeJee - 2
Jimtudor - 2
I've read every post so far, and Shikyo seems to have great analysis in the opening message (idk what else to call it). Had I read all the posts before voting, I think my vote would have stayed.
JeeJee... doesn't capitalize the first letters in his sentences. I haven't really thought much about him.
Jimtudor- I think that he will be least successful as Sheriff. Not that many posts are here right now so I can't really elaborate why other than my gut feelings.
So I'm for Shikyo. It looks like he's gonna win, and I'm indifferent as to who should become the mayor.
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JeeJee, this argument isn't leading anywhere. His way of talking, albeit odd, wasn't really my main concern. I was just stating what I thought and observed, it's up to you to make out of it what you will.
I would also like to propose that DTs rolecheck the losing parties of the elections asap. As was said in the other mafia game, it's likely at least one mafia is attempting to get elected, and so the losing candidates would be ideal targets for the DTs, assuming that no other, higher priority targets come up.
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On May 19 2009 08:49 Shikyo wrote:
Well, JeeJee, I think there's a difference between joining a bandwagon and actually starting a whole new one. It's easy to join an existing one, and l10f indeed seems like a standard bandwagoner to me, although he really should try to think about it himself. Teks voting for me first seems reasonable to me, trying to think objectively. We had a kind of a conversation a few pages back, for example. Whenever a player is voted for the first time, it makes me suspicious. More suspicious than normally in this case, because BWdero has a history of bandwagoning.
l10f, you might want to read my post for office a couple of pages back, and then read other people's posts, and then decide who you really want for sherif. You really shouldn't vote just because a person has the most votes. But of course it's not like I mind you voting for me, just make sure to decide to do so yourself.
Yeah bandwagoning is not a good thing. I voted first so I get to slip by without accusations of bandwagoning I guess \o/.
I voted for you Shikyo mostly based on posting history, as you probably figured out. In my opinion, the announcement post of the candidates are not good judging material, as anyone can make empty promises and draw lovely pictures of how their town is going to be like. The person I want to see in office needs to have a clue solving sense and a game vision that corresponds with mine, which you showed after some posts earlier in the thread. There were, at that moment, no other good candidates either. I still think that you are the best choice based on your posts, but every person should be coming to conclusions on their own, not because someone else tells them it's the right thing to do.
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On May 19 2009 09:09 Shikyo wrote:
JeeJee, this argument isn't leading anywhere. His way of talking, albeit odd, wasn't really my main concern. I was just stating what I thought and observed, it's up to you to make out of it what you will.
I would also like to propose that DTs rolecheck the losing parties of the elections asap. As was said in the other mafia game, it's likely at least one mafia is attempting to get elected, and so the losing candidates would be ideal targets for the DTs, assuming that no other, higher priority targets come up.
Except that mafia candidates are likely to end up in office..
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On May 19 2009 09:13 softer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 09:09 Shikyo wrote:
JeeJee, this argument isn't leading anywhere. His way of talking, albeit odd, wasn't really my main concern. I was just stating what I thought and observed, it's up to you to make out of it what you will.
I would also like to propose that DTs rolecheck the losing parties of the elections asap. As was said in the other mafia game, it's likely at least one mafia is attempting to get elected, and so the losing candidates would be ideal targets for the DTs, assuming that no other, higher priority targets come up. Except that mafia candidates are likely to end up in office..
That's true, but we have to prevent that before DTs can be used. Also, mafia only have 6 votes for the person anyway, we'll just need to vote intelligently. After that, we wouldn't be able to do anything about that anyway, so we should just dt check the other candidates. If they all are innocent, chances are that there's a mafia in the office. At least by then we should become suspicious of the people in office and figure out who isn't making sense, although we probably should be able to catch onto it even sooner.
Of course, if someone has a better idea or at least a good one, I'm sure we'd all love to hear it.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Shikyo, it is interesting that you mention mafia only have 6 votes for a person, obviously since a candidate cannot vote for himself. Looking at what's happened so far, you have not yet voted for someone, and you also have stated that you are iffy about voting altogether. Clearly, a mafia running for office would not vote for anyone else as that would lessen the chances of him winning. Also not to mention you have received some votes from some not very active people, which seems suspicious.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Also to mention, Jayme has been very good about dodging all the clues people are trying to point to him so far
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On May 19 2009 09:09 Shikyo wrote:
I would also like to propose that DTs rolecheck the losing parties of the elections asap. As was said in the other mafia game, it's likely at least one mafia is attempting to get elected, and so the losing candidates would be ideal targets for the DTs, assuming that no other, higher priority targets come up.
Yeah I also proposed this idea earlier in this thread. I'm sure you are also aware that this does raise questions about your status as well, seeing how you're making this proposition when you can be relatively sure to get into office. If you do happen to be the only red participating in the election, not only will you gain an office position, but also make the DT's waste role checks.
Even if there is a chance this could happen, I still support this idea. In the case that the DT's do not find any mafia amongst the remaining candidates, we gain two things:
1) The possibility of there being mafia in office
2) Forming a Town Hall consisting of DT's and the losing candidates. This would prove useful as the candidates are people who say they are experienced and active.
If the DT's DO find a mafia, all the better :p
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I highly doubt that all the mafia would vote for one candidate. Especially in a smaller game. The smart thing for them to do would have a few people vote for the candidate they want, enough that if a few townies join in, they secure the election, while the remaining mafia members vote for a townie to toss off suspicion.
And the main problem with the DT checking the other candidates, is it wastes their limited amount of rolechecks, with no reasoning behind rolechecking them other than "they ran for mayor and didn't win". I'm not saying it's a bad idea, because we can almost always assume that mafia wants a position of power, and thus is likely to run for mayor. If we rolecheck and get two townies, we can lynch the mayor, as he's likely mafia. But that all seems like a very risky way of doing things. We use up rolechecks on iffy suspects, and if worse came to worse, we lynch a townie mayor because the other candidates came up townie.
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