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Well, if we are planning on DT sacrifices, I think I have a better idea as to how they should let their findings be revealed.
The DT PM's any random person a list (they need to be active ofc for this to work). There would be 2 scenarios.
1) Random person will be the DT's mouth, and post the findings (if they are towny). So instead we can risk a towny's life and not the DT. DT is safe and his info is public.
2)Mafia get's the pm. DT threatens the potential mafia that if they dont post the list, the DT will post his findings anyway, along with the person they PM'ed. If the mafia kills this detective, the town can kill the mafia right there and then. The best thing the mafia could do is post the detective's findings, and then kill the detective later.
I think the ratio of detectives survival is in favor of the town, and we dont need to lose a DT if he has important things he needs to show the town.
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On November 03 2008 06:55 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
For everyone going off about people being inactive; it's the first day, and the post was made rather late at night. There was no discussion going on for most of the night aside from a few people saying they'd make clue lists and a couple of clue interpretations. At least wait until another day has passed so you can give people time to chime in, and if there's anyone who doesn't vote than you can go back to listing inactives.
As for who to lynch, it's hard to really pass judgement with so little information, we are really stabbing in the dark here without anymore clues to go with, and we haven't been allowed for anyone to use their roles, so any plans we have, have to wait. Also, I think some of the plans, like Aces, are probably our best shot after people have been able to use their roles etc.
Which brings us back too; who do we lynch? Well, we could go for some of the inactives, but that's risking killing off a blue who's just busy, like what happend last game where incontrol got killed off early because he wasn't active. Lynching based on clues will probably get us the same results as last game where we went with CTStalker based the vague clues of day 1, but at this stage that's really all we have. So I say vote to lynch the person who we feel has the strongest ties to the current clues we have, for a few reasons; one being that if this person really is mafia than that's great, secondly if he turns out not to be mafia than at least we know that the clues we linked to him are meant for someone else, which helps later when we have more clues to play with. It's not the most ideal of situations but the begining few days are really just stabbing in the dark.
were not going to determine who is inactive unlti soon before the day ends
so people still have lots of time. This is just to encourage people to post something during the day cycle.
The odds of us getting a blue are probably less likely than if we go clue based, and by killing inactives we make our detectives/jack more useful.
so its the best option for this first day
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Canada7170 Posts
On November 03 2008 08:38 bumatlarge wrote:
Well, if we are planning on DT sacrifices, I think I have a better idea as to how they should let their findings be revealed.
The DT PM's any random person a list (they need to be active ofc for this to work). There would be 2 scenarios.
1) Random person will be the DT's mouth, and post the findings (if they are towny). So instead we can risk a towny's life and not the DT. DT is safe and his info is public.
2)Mafia get's the pm. DT threatens the potential mafia that if they dont post the list, the DT will post his findings anyway, along with the person they PM'ed. If the mafia kills this detective, the town can kill the mafia right there and then. The best thing the mafia could do is post the detective's findings, and then kill the detective later.
I think the ratio of detectives survival is in favor of the town, and we dont need to lose a DT if he has important things he needs to show the town.
I love this idea.
Also, Empyrean, I believe Chuiu said to post votes here.
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Korea (South)922 Posts
awww fuck is it too late to sign up.. <_< if not..
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there are a bunch of scattered ideas out there. Do we have any plan of action now or just brainstorming any more?
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@bum: How do you verify the person sending the list to you is a real DT?
Same trap as always, no verification and easy to break 
As for the lynching idea - we don't have to lynch anyone. There isn't a rule that says we have to vote.
In theory it accomplishes something:
1.) Everyone abstains and no one dies
2.) Anyone that tries to vote at the last minute is more than likely mafia
It's a start, but I'm not comfortable with it. I'm more interested in going after the inactive list to force everyone to post. Of course the game is still young so people need time to chime in.
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and we are NOT sacrificing DTs
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Right now, the immediate course of action is to vote based on our strongest clue. By acclaim, that is decafchicken.
I vote for decafchicken.
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Or we can listen to ace.....but i keep my vote for now.
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On November 03 2008 09:03 Ace wrote:@bum: How do you verify the person sending the list to you is a real DT? Same trap as always, no verification and easy to break As for the lynching idea - we don't have to lynch anyone. There isn't a rule that says we have to vote. In theory it accomplishes something: 1.) Everyone abstains and no one dies 2.) Anyone that tries to vote at the last minute is more than likely mafia It's a start, but I'm not comfortable with it. I'm more interested in going after the inactive list to force everyone to post. Of course the game is still young so people need time to chime in.
Well if there are more then 3... Cant we eventually figure it out from the lists? Then we have the incorrect list's poster to call out his pm'er.
We can only trust our ourselves, what the dead are, and what their deaths prove.
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no no like...
Ok who do the 3 DTs report to?
Assume the plan is "all 3 DTs PM their lists to random townies and have them mouth the findings"
1.) assume none of the townies are mafia
In this case, all the DT findings look legit through the innocent townie but you can't tell if the DT is innocent himself.
Or the mafia posing as townie is just giving good info to build trust when there is no DT telling him anything.
How do we overcome this?
2.) assume the DT is mafia
All he has to do is keep misreporting vote checks. This is going to be hard to punish if all the DTs are randomly vote checking lists because we'd have to hope for a collision.
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Canada7170 Posts
Hm. Yes there is a definite flaw in bumatlarge's plan. Eventually we will figure out who is a real detective, BUT that will not happen until the later part of the game. There must be a way for it to work, though. A detective cross-check would not be bad, as if we make this a very elaborate setup, the mafia will not be able to put something feasible together (the more people participating in hoaxing the town, the more likely a lynch will get one of them, and therefore everybody who participated). For now, I still think we should lynch the inactives. Who still hasn't posted?
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On November 03 2008 09:20 mikeymoo wrote:
Hm. Yes there is a definite flaw in bumatlarge's plan. Eventually we will figure out who is a real detective, BUT that will not happen until the later part of the game. There must be a way for it to work, though. A detective cross-check would not be bad, as if we make this a very elaborate setup, the mafia will not be able to put something feasible together (the more people participating in hoaxing the town, the more likely a lynch will get one of them, and therefore everybody who participated). For now, I still think we should lynch the inactives. Who still hasn't posted?
I haven't - nothing good to say. No point in thinking of someone to lynch when we will soon have more clues.
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Futher analysis of decafchicken would reveal more food stuff. It seems everything about decafchicken has to do with a meal and coffee.
quote - how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
public profile-
Not that Subway wouldn't still be pro, just not as pro as other things.. It'd be the Mumyung of sandwhich places, I guess. -SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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Wow, this is a ridiculous amount of posts right at the beginning. Guess I'll have to start analyzing the clues, all the while paying close attention to Plexa's interpretations (and hope he's not a mafiosi) 
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Ugh, sorry guys. Short version of today is that my internet went down. (long story involves a loose hamster chewing through internet cables)
Anyway, I haven't had time to read through the thread yet, but here's my assessment on the clues so far. Keep in mind that all of these connections are going to be weak, as we're just starting here.
MidnightGladius:
Profile Quote: "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change."
Clues:
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"the noose now tight around his neck Chuiu took a look over at the man ready to pull the switch. "Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch."
"Then one person stood atop the gallows embracing the moment he cried out to the town"
Both instances of the word "embrace" are during a time of change, which directly correlates with the profile quote.
SoleSteeler:
Profile Quote: "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold"
Clue:
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""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next."
Contains a message that the central order is no longer in place. Correlation with the quote, as order falls apart.
Scorch:
Profile Quote: "What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy."
Clue:
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""We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next."
Anti-authority sentiment profile quote by a publically outspoken anti-authority band. You see where this is going.
Plexa:
Profile Quote: "Spirit will set you free"
Clue:
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""Embrace the release that death brings you", he stated as he pulled the switch."
Ok, nobody jump on me for this one. Just a note, and it's a very minor connection, anyway.
And finally, someone I can't find a connection to, but:
"everyone was excited to see him finally pay the price."
"Vengeance was the theme"
Seems like someone wants revenge.
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Wow i never even realized how much food i have in my name/profile. Hopefully chuiu doesnt bring up food in further posts T_T
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Don't forget that Chuiu draws on clues from what people have posted on the thread as well, not just the profiles themselves.
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however, from the past games, chuiu's clues have been all from profiles, and none from past post. Unless you're taking now recent posts chuiu?
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Posting to show my activeness (long sleep t.t)
Heros)pink:
Quote: [GraveDigger]
links to this clue "and many were grave and quiet."
Nothing against heros)pink, just wanna post .
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