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After reading through the last insane amount of pages since this morning, i do like bumatlarges idea provided we can get a detective to prove his role to an innocent person he finds to use as a mouth. There giving a legit list that townie could use to update the rest of us would be insanely informative, as if that townie died to mafia hands, chances are the list is legit, or if he is lynched and turned up green his list is good.
Issue being, how do you prove who's legit.
I have an idea which would kinda work possibly.
First day of voting, rather than abstain, we pick two inactives and vote.
numbers 1-26 vote for suspect 1
numbers 27-50 vote for suspect 2
now we take the numbers on our main list and number our detectives 1-3 based on who appears first on the list (ie they would know their number, no one else would)
D1 and D2 checks how many mafia voted on list one, and D3 and possibly a jack checks the role of someone the town nominates to be safe. If that person is a blue or green, D3 says nothing, then D1 and D2 PM their lists to the safe person. This would give the townie or blue a two identical lists, which would show their innocence as detectives, which gives one person with the knowledge of two roles, and a third person who can then later admit his role as well, giving one person control of three detectives.
Note: issue relies on person living through first night, and b) if people speak out against you to prevent this from happening, in the case someone speaks out against you saying your a mafia, we lynch the accuser, and if he turns up green or blue we lynch the person he accused.
With all this said and done, it means we as a town, have a support per se, medics know one person they can protect, and then they need just prove they are who they are, same with vig's and jacks. Just means we have to keep that one person alive briefly, as the idea is once you have that one support structure, that group gets pulled together, not needing the one dummy head any longer, and you then change leadership to a veteran.
I hope it makes sense, and yes i know there are some sketchy bits in there, but just throwing the idea out
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Bloody I understand EXACTLY what you are saying but the reason I didn't go with any idea like that: suicide bomber.
If he dies, I say we go with that plan. My current plan is one in which the Mafia can't safely use their suicide bomber. Really, that role is the only reason we can't take leaps of trust and the fact that fake DTs will check stuff anyway).
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On November 03 2008 11:27 Ace wrote:
Bloody I understand EXACTLY what you are saying but the reason I didn't go with any idea like that: suicide bomber.
If he dies, I say we go with that plan. My current plan is one in which the Mafia can't safely use their suicide bomber. Really, that role is the only reason we can't take leaps of trust and the fact that fake DTs will check stuff anyway).
Fair enough, i see how that does destroy things, I am glad i didn't think of something overall retarded though.
Guess we now have to find a way to lure the suicide bomber out then.
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On November 03 2008 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 11:27 Ace wrote:
Bloody I understand EXACTLY what you are saying but the reason I didn't go with any idea like that: suicide bomber.
If he dies, I say we go with that plan. My current plan is one in which the Mafia can't safely use their suicide bomber. Really, that role is the only reason we can't take leaps of trust and the fact that fake DTs will check stuff anyway). Fair enough, i see how that does destroy things, I am glad i didn't think of something overall retarded though. Guess we now have to find a way to lure the suicide bomber out then.
I've been thinking about it, but can't find anything else. That's actually how I came about with my plan to give mafia a dilemma while still giving our lynchpin a chance to lure out the suicide bomber. Once he is gone, DTs and Jacks have a lot more freedom to act.
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"Embrace the release that death brings you"
I dont know why, but I having a hunch that this should be a very big clue on whose the mafia, really
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Ok, just asked Chuiu if this was possible, and its not against the rules, so here it fucking goes
Im a detective, now dont stop reading this shit
I just pmed chuiu my ability to see of Ace is the mafia
Answer : Yes
Now, Im not ganna keep this hiding, because Ace is a huge influence in this game, and im not ganna risk getting lynched by next morning to spit out the information
Yes Ace could actually help the townies by targetting mafias, but im not ganna risk my death by next morning, so here it goes
Now just like Ace said, I'll prove myself by sacraficing myself to see that im the detective
If I am detective like I said, Take out Ace Townies, Special Roles, good luck killing the rest of the mafia
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On November 03 2008 11:37 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 11:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 03 2008 11:27 Ace wrote:
Bloody I understand EXACTLY what you are saying but the reason I didn't go with any idea like that: suicide bomber.
If he dies, I say we go with that plan. My current plan is one in which the Mafia can't safely use their suicide bomber. Really, that role is the only reason we can't take leaps of trust and the fact that fake DTs will check stuff anyway). Fair enough, i see how that does destroy things, I am glad i didn't think of something overall retarded though. Guess we now have to find a way to lure the suicide bomber out then. I've been thinking about it, but can't find anything else. That's actually how I came about with my plan to give mafia a dilemma while still giving our lynchpin a chance to lure out the suicide bomber. Once he is gone, DTs and Jacks have a lot more freedom to act.
Yeah, i do see what your saying, I'm currently trying to draw up some ideas to draw out the bomber, and potentially might have something, just have to flush it out a little bit provided i dont hit my own dead end.
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Since my last post, I just thought of something else
Medics dont even try to save me, until suicide bomber kills himself already..
Dont risk yourselfs saving me, because I already completed my task of finding a huge influence of this drastic game
Hope killing Ace not only screws the Mafia drastically, but their strategies as well
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good try Folca 
but of course we'll do as you say and see what goes from there.
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actually, if you look at the player list, we have up to 10 role checks; 6 from DT's and 4 from jacks. We can take advantage of that, DT's can use a rolecheck on a random person and find them suitable for the task. They can voice their list finding from anonimity, and should that person be fragged, they still have another role check to voice a second time their findings from anonimity.
Should a jack find someone guilty using this method, they can easily switch to vigilante and kill them.
DT's can easily identify themselves as legit because they can tell the person the role they're ( i mean a dt can pm a mad hatter, telling them they're mad hatters, thus proving themselves)
Mafia can do this without high risk because if they fail to guess the role of the pm'ed person, they will easily call them out
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If the townies follow what you're strategies has proclaimed, you shouldnt even be hiding your face, haha
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and what do you mean "if you're a detective?"
at least sound sure of yourself
## I vote to lynch Folca
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On November 03 2008 12:35 Ace wrote:
and what do you mean "if you're a detective?"
at least sound sure of yourself
## I vote to lynch Folca
## I vote to lynch myself
Forgot to say that, and Ace, you didnt understand what i meant,
If im a detective LIKE I SAID, then take Ace out
Day 1 and the game already got so interesting..
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Intriguing.
## I vote to lynch Folca.
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jesus folca, i hope you didnt screw up. Should Ace be inocent, we have lost a good leader, should he be guilty, you're dead pretty soon and we've lost a DT.
So if you're really a DT, use your second role check to another townie asap and tell us wheteher he is innocent of not.
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Now that we know that Folca is ostensibly detective, we run into a dilemma of what to do.
1. Paramedics protect him. This would save him from normal mafia lynches, but if a suicide bomber targets him, then some paramedics die, depending on how much protection we afford him.
2. Just let him die, and hope they use the suicide bomber, thinking that we'd protect Folca. However, the mafia could anticipate this, and just use normal hits on him, in which case if we had used paramedics on him in the first place, he'd've been saved.
Anyone care to analyze this, given our imperfect information? It wouldn't be hard to specify strategy spaces and payoff functions for each side in this scenario.
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I can use two abilities in one day?
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Empyrean Its not worth saving me anymore, I already completed my role of screwing up the Mafia pretty much really bad, Either Mafia or Suicide bomber is obviously going to kill me
Medics dont waste your time killing me err saving me
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On November 03 2008 12:28 Folca wrote:
Ok, just asked Chuiu if this was possible, and its not against the rules, so here it fucking goes
Im a detective, now dont stop reading this shit
I just pmed chuiu my ability to see of Ace is the mafia
Answer : Yes
Now, Im not ganna keep this hiding, because Ace is a huge influence in this game, and im not ganna risk getting lynched by next morning to spit out the information
Yes Ace could actually help the townies by targetting mafias, but im not ganna risk my death by next morning, so here it goes
Now just like Ace said, I'll prove myself by sacraficing myself to see that im the detective
If I am detective like I said, Take out Ace Townies, Special Roles, good luck killing the rest of the mafia
Can chuiu verify that a detective can use their ability this quickly for the rest of the town, rather than taking your word on it.
If he comes back saying its a legit rule, we can do the following. Another rolecheck Folca, then have one jack, and the last detective check the votes of day one on our two seperate votes to find out how many mafia voted for who.
Next, last jack, Your job is to rolecheck someone we nominate.
This gives two detectives with a day one lynch report, and a rolecheck on someone we vote for as a nomination. He turns green or blue you tell him who you are, and as before no one complains other detectives follow suit. I say only detectives, gives at least one night of planning and 3 people knowing who they are, and can then as a team work together and expand their group from there if possible.
Now, to help with this, i propose this
We vote to lynch ace as one of our targets, and an inactive as the other one or at this point, Folca depends on what people want. Also, if Folca dies tonight, ace dies tommorrow, if he lives, we lynch folca, if folca is blue we kill ace for via a vig that night.
we may lose a detective, but we may also may get a mafia, and regardless we have an idea of how the mafia vote via the list, I'm kinda ranting, so ill try to flush this out a bit better, gimme a few
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@RTS: which would mean he made a mistake in typing my name or he's just lying. Which one do you think it is? Doesn't matter, he's getting lynched anyway.
@Emp: see my original strategy. Play the mind game and hope it doesn't happen.
@Folca: no, but you haven't even used one yet have you?
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