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SoleSteeler
Canada5472 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
IOW, let's just save some time and agree that no PM = claim to be a towny. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 21 2008 03:41 SoleSteeler wrote: In the last game, were the people who were mafia posting frequently? some were, some weren't | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
The mob wouldn't be dumb enough unless they were sending a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter to buy some time. If they pose as townies we still have a problem with all the inactives and the ratio is still too high. We need more clues. Yes I agree it is a waste of time, but you should still play your cards close to your sleeve so I see nothing wrong with PMing information you have. | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
On March 21 2008 03:09 Showtime! wrote: Right now, our job is to find some red. I don't care if I get lynched right now because I have minimal power, it would be a waste and to be honest this game could go on for a while considering we have over 100 people this time around it would get pretty time consuming reading up on everyone's posts but so far that is exactly what I did and I already told the authorities my thoughts. We just have to see if it works or not. Someone even said in the Q&A thread: 'I rather be Mafia because townie is boring.' Add some spice. Forgot to mention: Chuiu, I have a question for you. How do you regulate PMs? Couldn't someone who is dead or not even playing give their thoughts to help someone else? I see many loop holes here. Sure they could, for the sake of being a good sport I would hope they don't. But being dead doesn't really do much but prove someones role and there really isn't anything I can do to stop that from happening. | ||
Kau
Canada3502 Posts
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On March 21 2008 01:10 Mynock wrote: I just now had time to catch up to the latest events and I have a couple things to say. Firstly, fusion, lay off of Ace please? Ace seems absolutely competent for his job, if based only on the fact that he's not acting based on emotions (unlike many of you here). Lynching iNc was easily justified, and explained oh so many times. If a person doesn't respond for 2 days while having a PM about being a Mad Hatter in their mailbox... well, nobody could have possibly predicted that. iNc is pretty much at fault himself here. Also, lynching Empyrean is only in the mafia's best interests. Why? Well, if I was mafia, I would now be pretty much confused about Empyrean's role (and chances of him being mafia are not too high actually). I think the following course of events is likely: If we largely predict Empyrean to be dead tonight, they will leave him be and have him attract suspicion to himself. If however we largely predict that they will know we think so, and that's exactly the reason they kept him alive, we should not jump the gun too soon because we risk lynching an active townie. Had we lynched Empyrean first day, that's a lot of problems off of mafia's shoulders, less guessing for them to do. Still, Emp presents a good target for the mafia even now, so helping them by going ahead and doing the job for them is in no way a good strategy. As for the Mad Hatter, I can't believe how some of you base your arguments on the mere fact that he happened to be a blue. If anything, it was iNc's fault! Ace went out of his way to ensure a role would not be harmed, his actions clearly shown it. Calm down people, and be reasonable. Now that we have a solid foundation for the game, let's do our best to build up from here, and work together with the people in office. what guessing would they have to do lol? empyrean being alive is a much bigger burden for us than for them | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 21 2008 03:42 qrs wrote: IOW, let's just save some time and agree that no PM = claim to be a towny. this idea makes no sense. No PM also means Mafia members just never have to worry about contacting me, and then they also know that not every townie has PM'd me so it's easier for them to just lay low and not get caught lying. If everyone has to PM me, eventually I'll catch some role clashes and some lies. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On March 21 2008 03:49 fusionsdf wrote: what guessing would they have to do lol? empyrean being alive is a much bigger burden for us than for them no it isn't. Mynock's logic makes sense. Whether or not Empyrean is a DT or not the only people that would really benefit from his death right now are Mafia if he isn't one. They have the option of leaving his suspicion to us, or racking their brains trying to figure out if he really was a DT. If he really was, well then if they let him live he goes around unscathed doing his thing. Either way Empyrean isn't getting lynched by the town just yet. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On March 21 2008 03:49 Ace wrote: I have to agree. Even though it's doubtful that the mafia could screw up something so simple, there's still the small chance they'll screw up and we'll be able to weed them out. A small chance of catching mafia is better than no chance.this idea makes no sense. No PM also means Mafia members just never have to worry about contacting me, and then they also know that not every townie has PM'd me so it's easier for them to just lay low and not get caught lying. If everyone has to PM me, eventually I'll catch some role clashes and some lies. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
I'd just let the mafia deal with him whenever they want for now at least. I'm going to wait until morning maybe I'll be dead and won't even have to worry about this crap anymore. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 21 2008 03:49 Ace wrote: It makes plenty of sense. A PM that says "Hi I'm townie", if everyone has to send it, tells you nothing more than no PM would. The starting assumption for everyone is that they are townie.this idea makes no sense. No PM also means Mafia members just never have to worry about contacting me, and then they also know that not every townie has PM'd me so it's easier for them to just lay low and not get caught lying. If everyone has to PM me, eventually I'll catch some role clashes and some lies. Here, instead of a PM, I'll just tell you in the thread. I am a vanilla townie. (honestly, did that really tell you anything?) | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
If everyone sent me a PM saying their townie - GREAT. Now when all the blues PM me I know they all match up and are 100% confirmed. So now I knock 34 names off the suspect list, incorporate them into the network and all suspects are also on the "vanilla townie" list. A PM that tells me "hi I'm townie" holds a lot of weight. | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
Another thing i have to say is everyone consider what they would do if they were mafia Would you really be contributing, besides maybe running for mayor, or would you lay back and try to let the town incriminate themselves like last match? The quietest ones are often the most dangerous | ||
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Lysithea
Sweden204 Posts
On March 21 2008 04:09 Ace wrote: I don't think you get it: If everyone sent me a PM saying their townie - GREAT. Now when all the blues PM me I know they all match up and are 100% confirmed. So now I knock 34 names off the suspect list, incorporate them into the network and all suspects are also on the "vanilla townie" list. A PM that tells me "hi I'm townie" holds a lot of weight. That assumes no inactivees tho doesnt it? Say for example that mafia takes a chance on a blue role that happens to be inactive, before the 3day rule sets in they could've gotten alot of information. Also, that all people actually pm you... which I doubt will happen just because of lack of interest following this thread thoroughly. The only sure way to have the secure group... secure... is to systematically confirm their roles through various means... no? Or am I totally misunderstanding something here? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Also, I already have ideas on ho to confirm people. I don't need all 100+ players, and yes even the silent ones are going to get fished out. I'm guessing Mafia have some silent members, some that only vote, and surely some posting in this thread actively to try and mess things up. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On March 21 2008 04:15 Lysithea wrote: That is possible, but considering the amount of risk in trying to guess a role that happens to be inactive is too great it seems doubtful that they'd try it. That assumes no inactivees tho doesnt it? Say for example that mafia takes a chance on a blue role that happens to be inactive, before the 3day rule sets in they could've gotten alot of information. Also, that all people actually pm you... which I doubt will happen just because of lack of interest following this thread thoroughly. The only sure way to have the secure group... secure... is to systematically confirm their roles through various means... no? Or am I totally misunderstanding something here? Then again the amount of information they could get by getting into this network is probably worth more than one mafia's life so...ok I'm not really sure how to feel about this right now. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 21 2008 04:06 qrs wrote: It makes plenty of sense. A PM that says "Hi I'm townie", if everyone has to send it, tells you nothing more than no PM would. The starting assumption for everyone is that they are townie. Here, instead of a PM, I'll just tell you in the thread. I am a vanilla townie. (honestly, did that really tell you anything?) I call mafia Townies can't be that dumb, right?! Vigil get him gogo  | ||
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bumatlarge
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