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On March 21 2008 04:25 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 04:06 qrs wrote:On March 21 2008 03:49 Ace wrote:On March 21 2008 03:42 qrs wrote:
IOW, let's just save some time and agree that no PM = claim to be a towny. this idea makes no sense. No PM also means Mafia members just never have to worry about contacting me, and then they also know that not every townie has PM'd me so it's easier for them to just lay low and not get caught lying. If everyone has to PM me, eventually I'll catch some role clashes and some lies. It makes plenty of sense. A PM that says "Hi I'm townie", if everyone has to send it, tells you nothing more than no PM would. The starting assumption for everyone is that they are townie. Here, instead of a PM, I'll just tell you in the thread. I am a vanilla townie. (honestly, did that really tell you anything?) I call mafia Townies can't be that dumb, right?!
It's not that dumb. Assuming that all blues (+ fake-blues) send in their roles as they are supposed to, it makes absolutely no difference whether the rest of us officially declare townie or not. No one's going to declare Mafia, and anyone who was going to declare roleplayer should have done that.
But on second thought, I concede that if we are afraid that some blues will stay low for whatever reason (although they shouldn't) and we are afraid of lynching them by mistake then the "I am townie" statement does do something: it tells the mayor "I am not an inactive blue".
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Seriously i hope ppl DONT SEND IN THEIR PMS YET TO ACE! for the plain and simple fact that we dont even know hes clean yet. wait a DT confirms. if all the blues send in their pms (or a number of them), and ace turns out to be mafia, we're as good as dead!
Ok, time to sleep. It's 4AM and I gotta wake up at 7 for a full day of experiments >_<
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On March 21 2008 04:57 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 04:43 Fishball wrote:
Like I said, Day hasn't even come yet, nor did any Detectives are able to check Ace yet. It's kinda pointless having arguments when things didn't even happen yet. Detectives ARE able to check Ace already. There's no timing restriction in the OP: Show nested quote +Detective - You have three abilities you may use. You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer. You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has. And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election). You may only use one ability per day. The fact that no Detective has yet stood up yet claiming to have found Ace a mafia member indicates that, in fact, Ace is townie.
O rly? What if they havent had the time to post yet or somein? Like inControl? That would plain suck ay.
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On March 21 2008 05:14 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
I did like to know how many mafioso voted for Ace but thats probably to much to ask
cant do that, check the rules
@ziel: It's been how many days now? Come on, people have got to be playing by now or the town would be as good as dead from the get go.
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It was as if Incontrol didn't read up on all the rules beforehand.
Ace is clean.
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Lol well if i were to put myself into a DT's shoes, there's 3 other DTs, and i might think hey maybe the other DTs are gonna post so i dont have to. plus the fact that because we have no way verifying that the DT is a real blue until we lynch him, it really isnt much motivation for any DT to step up as of yet. And if i remember correctly, if the DT who steps up claims youre mafia, we lynch him to make sure hes telling the truth? Lol but yeah I dont see any other way right now, but its just not very encouraging for the poor DTs.
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This may have been clarified earlier, but activity is judged not just by forum posts, right? I've been relatively active in PMs, as I feel that's the only wise way to express my thoughts at the moment, but I haven't posted here yet at all.
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hmmm?
how so?
sacrificing themselves to save the town from a corrupt Mayor? I don't see the problem.
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On March 21 2008 05:25 OneBlueAugust wrote:
This may have been clarified earlier, but activity is judged not just by forum posts, right? I've been relatively active in PMs, as I feel that's the only wise way to express my thoughts at the moment, but I haven't posted here yet at all.
voting counts as activity too.
But soon, people that just don't do anything BUT vote will obviously be suspected.
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Lol I guess I didnt think of that point. But idk, Im just saying its possible. I mean hey some of them may not have posted at all, and may want to stay longer in the game. plus theres the whole which-DT-should-tell-the-info since the DTs dont know each other. But watever man, I just seriously really hope a true DT comes up and proves your clean. That'll do us some morale boost lol
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they wont say it publicly. If no DT steps up, I'm obviously innocent.
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On March 20 2008 14:22 Ace wrote:
Reposting for clarification:
The Bodyguard Plan (fully revised)
This is a strategy I've used in the past to win games, and it works very well if even a slight majority of the main players involved use it.
The base of this plan lends itself to the fact that no innocent Townie knows for sure who else is innocent or what roles they are. Also is the fact that the main disadvantage the Town has is lack of information, whereas our main advantage is numbers. Combining these two things is the Bodyguard Plan.
At the start of the game, the only non-Mafia/elected roles that any other player can possibly know for sure is a Bodyguard. The Mayor receives this info once elected into office. This plan is best with an innocent Mayor, but it also forces a Mafia Mayor to help the town in the event he/she is ever elected.
When the Mayor is elected, their first plan of action should be to PM all the Bodyguards each other's identities. This pus information into the hands of the Townies that is critical.
Assume there are 7 bodyguards. The Mayor PMs all of them the identity of the other 6. All of them then PM each other to
1: confirm they got a PM stating they are the bodyguard from the Mayor
2: make sure they ALL have the same list of Bodyguards
In the case of an Innocent Mayor doing this, we have 7 townies all on the same side off the jump and this will be a major help to the Town if they all know the roles of 6 other innocents asap.
In the case of a Mafia Mayor he could actually try and add a Mafia member to the list of Bodyguards or ignore a real Bodyguard - and this is where the true failsafe in the plan comes in.
Failsafe:
Remember, all Bodyguards SHOULD get that PM. If any of the Bodyguards don't get it then they should know something is clearly fishy and should investigate hastily.
The Mayor would be investigated from Day 1, so the Town will know for sure if he/she is innocent or not which will allow the Bodyguards to know they can or can't trust the Mayor. If the Mayor turns out dirty, the Bodyguards will clearly speak up asap. If the Mayor is legit, then that Bodyguard list is 100% legit and ensures we have a solid base to start from because the Detectives stay silent.
In summary the idea of this plan is self checking:
Bodyguards are checked by each other and Mayor with the PMs
Mayor is checked by Detectives
Detectives stay silent if the Mayor is legit, and speak up if he is Mafia
If ANY Detective speaks up against the Mayor and we can't decide whether or not who to believe, we go to the ultimatum approach - just lynch the DT first and if he is telling the truth the Mayor is Mafia. Boom - Mafia Mayor gone by the second day.
If the Mayor tends to be Mafia and releases a corrupted list, then the BGs will speak up and name the people on the list. The DTs paying attention to this, investigate the names. The Mafia will have added just thrown some of their members into a trap and will get figured out eventually.
In the case of an innocent Mayor this 100% guarantees us safety, in the case of a Mafia Mayor it takes us at worst 2 days to clean up the mess. This is my plan of action to start the game off.
In the event the list is released publicly, the best part of this plan is that the spotlight is taken off of the Detectives and put on the Bodyguards. This allows the Detectives to stay quiet, and for the Medics to have a list of people they need to watch. Remember what I stated earlier - the Town's main disadvantage is that we lack information and this plan serves to rectify that while maximizing our main advantage - numbers.
Once the base has been formed (Mayors + Bodyguards) we can start generating a list of suspects together, and figuring out roles down the road. To succeed the Town needs a strong start, and this plan is one of such. Once you are assured of my innocence through the Detective's silence, then you should PM me your roles so we can get started.
Reposting for people who still aren't clear what is going on.
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On March 21 2008 05:31 Ace wrote:
they wont say it publicly. If no DT steps up, I'm obviously innocent.
Lol ok fingers crossed on that then. Come day phase and non steps up then i wont suspect you anymore 
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Why are people waiting for a dt to confirm? Wasn't the whole point that if no dt/bg speak up against Ace's townmanship he's considered legit?
Only thing we're waiting for is for the dts to have ample time to be sure they've done their thing. How long we wait is up to the masses I guess.
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On March 21 2008 05:14 Ziel wrote:
Seriously i hope ppl DONT SEND IN THEIR PMS YET TO ACE! for the plain and simple fact that we dont even know hes clean yet. wait a DT confirms. if all the blues send in their pms (or a number of them), and ace turns out to be mafia, we're as good as dead!
Ok, time to sleep. It's 4AM and I gotta wake up at 7 for a full day of experiments >_<
Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him?
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On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote:
Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him?
All elements aside, just this specific case as an example.
If I were Mayor and Mafia, I could fake a claim that I got roleblocked so I don't use my double lynches.
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On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 05:14 Ziel wrote:
Seriously i hope ppl DONT SEND IN THEIR PMS YET TO ACE! for the plain and simple fact that we dont even know hes clean yet. wait a DT confirms. if all the blues send in their pms (or a number of them), and ace turns out to be mafia, we're as good as dead!
Ok, time to sleep. It's 4AM and I gotta wake up at 7 for a full day of experiments >_< Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him?
to make him less of a suspect to the town?
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double lynches in the hands of a mafia mayor are just as effective as in the hands of non mafia. it's more likely that he got roleblocked because he is a non mafia, but that leaves open the two step ahead area. I'll go ahead and assume he isn't mafia until I'm told otherwise from a reliable source.
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On March 21 2008 05:51 suresh0t wrote:
double lynches in the hands of a mafia mayor are just as effective as in the hands of non mafia. it's more likely that he got roleblocked because he is a non mafia, but that leaves open the two step ahead area. I'll go ahead and assume he isn't mafia until I'm told otherwise from a reliable source.
Oh I know its effective if the Mafia used it right. I'm just explaining the possible reasons to clazziquai of why a fellow mafia would role block a fellow mafia mayor. To decieve the townies.
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