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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:05 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: ok sherlok, tell us a different strategy to win. Or what are you proposing? random hits? lmao random hit have already been done by Ace didnt worked well, I'm in no position to tell u another strategy since we dont know if our clues are good @ the moment since Ace didnt lynch that CTStalker or something like that with his first lynch. | ||
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French_Toast
United States99 Posts
On March 21 2008 06:48 CDRdude wrote: First off, it's better not to overestimate ourselves. We'll have some noobs, and some smarter people, there's no stopping that. For your information I have read the thread, and I known this. The list of people's names and sigs has been posted in the thread a long time ago. I also take offense at the implication that I haven't read the posts. On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote: The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. How do you know we won't need it? I'm not psychic, and I don't think you are either. The mafia can still kill a lot of people every night. On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote: This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging. A fools-mate basically never happens. It's an example of the fastest possible checkmate. Fools-mate is theorycrafting that requires both sides to try achieve it. This game is already challenging. It's not our job to balance, it's Chuiu and Dapperdan's. Besides--winning is fun.[/QUOTE] Alright I'll do the same thing as you only I'll number 1. There are of course lots of noobs, but I have noticed that the players this time around know what's coming and have good plans set up. The bodyguard plan, and even the PM plan are all strategies none the less. Also there are more people spending their time interpreting the clues, I even saw blog posts for clues, lists, and even important posts. Both sides are much more prepared, there are noobs, but when you can observe already good players posting all around you, learning is not that difficult. We do not need plans that make the game less fun, this is one of them. 2. I wasn't only talking about the list, that's common knowledge. I saw a mini conversation between two posters where one said he had a giant spreadsheet, and the other said they also are keeping track of everything. And as for offending you, I'm sowwy I huwt yo fewwings.  3. WOW! How did you guess I'm a psychic?!! You must certainly be a psychic too! Tbh I already saw the future and everything, it's a gay strategy! KThnxBye!~~ 4. I don't think you got my point with the chess example. I wasn't trying to argue about fools mate, I was trying to show you, through metaphor, that by using this we might end the game quickly, but it won't be as exciting and fun. Winning itself is only fun the first or second time. After a while you want challenge, and to play better games. Would you really chose winning easily all the time over playing great games and winning only some of the time? | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote: Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. You must suck at starcraft and every other competitive game out there. The best players always find cheap exploits to gain a slight advantage over their opponents. Mafia is no exception, especially since this is a competitive forum for one of the most competitive games ever. If you wanted to lose, you shouldn't have joined in this game. Unless, that is, you are mafia. Not neccessarily accusing you, you might just be really, really stupid. Same goes for HeroeS)Pink (should we be paying attention to the mr. pink clue or is that too obvious? Damn you for picking a clue like that chuiu). | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
if you have a plan you deem fun and promising, please enlighten us. just because we are carrying out a certain plan at the moment, that doesn't mean we can't try a different approach at the same time. edit: man, i'm writing too slowly. this was directed at HeRoS)Pink. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20020 Posts
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
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Queasy
United States48 Posts
Ignore them for now, but they should be under suspect. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:19 Kau wrote: So HeroesPink and FrenchToast, how do you propose we play the game? It's far easier to rant than to make a constructive suggestion. Same goes for Showtime!. You guys may not necessarily be mafia, but you certainly don't bring us closer to victory either. | ||
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French_Toast
United States99 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: You must suck at starcraft and every other competitive game out there. The best players always find cheap exploits to gain a slight advantage over their opponents. Mafia is no exception, especially since this is a competitive forum for one of the most competitive games ever. If you wanted to lose, you shouldn't have joined in this game. Unless, that is, you are mafia. Not neccessarily accusing you, you might just be really, really stupid. Same goes for HeroeS)Pink (should we be paying attention to the mr. pink clue or is that too obvious? Damn you for picking a clue like that chuiu). Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Do you really like to replace skill with exploits? If so then games in general are not for you, especially StarCraft. Why do you think developers balance games out? StarCraft went through so many patches for that single purpose, that is why it's so competitive. And no, I don't want to lose, but I don't want to play unfair either! And if you were talking about cheesing for StarCraft, those aren't really exploits, they are valid strategies that can be countered. | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:19 Kau wrote: So HeroesPink and FrenchToast, how do you propose we play the game? plz its HeRoS) not Heroes -ty | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:18 decafchicken wrote: Whether or not that's his plan, it seems to be working =DI bet ace's plan is actually just annoy the mafia members into an outrage at how easy he makes it look for the town, giving themselves away. | ||
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French_Toast
United States99 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:19 Kau wrote: So HeroesPink and FrenchToast, how do you propose we play the game? Thanks for asking. I like the bodyguard plan, that seems a great way to go. Also, I think we should spend a lot of our time interpreting clues, I mean if people did that more last game, the townies would have won. Especially in the end, they were so obvious. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote: That's a horrible example. We're playing this game perfectly within the boundaries of the rules, for your analogy to make any sense we would've had to do something drastic like hacking into everyone's accounts and checking their PM's.Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Do you really like to replace skill with exploits? If so then games in general are not for you, especially StarCraft. Why do you think developers balance games out? StarCraft went through so many patches for that single purpose, that is why it's so competitive. And no, I don't want to lose, but I don't want to play unfair either! And if you were talking about cheesing for StarCraft, those aren't really exploits, they are valid strategies that can be countered. If you want to talk about SC examples. We're 4pooling you mafia guys, and you're complaining about how we're ruining the game because of a "cheap" strategy that you can't get around (it's not that hard). Edit: and obviously we're going to keep looking out for clues, but since there are like 130 guys, there are going to be times where clues point to more than one guy. So we need other tactics to narrow down the choices. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On March 21 2008 06:18 Kau wrote: It does make a difference if townies have to pm because it forces the mafia to pm too, because ideally, every townie and every blue would have pm'ed Ace, so the only ones who have not pm'ed would be mafia. If we had it so that no townie had to pm, then mafia can just do nothing. And this way, Mafia have to PM that they are townies. And that's exactly the same as doing nothing in the original scenario. They don't have to reveal anything about themselves, they don't have to contradict themselves, all they have to do is say something that is implicit from the very fact that they are playing the game. This is not an "exploit". The one slight reason I can see for having green townies PM is to eliminate the possibility that they are inactive blues. If everyone is playing well, this shouldn't be necessary (because all blues should respond) but, OK, it's possible that not all blues are paying attention, so it doesn't hurt to PM Ace--more information is not bad. In any case, I've already said in the thread that I'm a vanilla townie. (If I'm actually mafia, the Mafia knows it and if I'm actually a roleplayer, Ace knows it.) PS-French Toast has just jumped to the top of my suspicion list. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
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ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote: Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Funny how you get all sensitive when someone insults you, but it's ok for you to be a bitch to everyone else. I don't really care about what French_Toast has to say. I just hope the townies realize that just a few people being persuaded to not send in their PMs by this possible mafia ploy are going to seriously weaken Ace's plan. It's possible the mafia realize this, and have sent a saboteur in to get enough people upset that the plan doesn't work. Send in your PMs, for everyone's sake. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=75&topic_id=67925 Any plain townies upset over this need to realize the inactivity + randomness + lack of a reason to pardon the lynch. Randombum and Ace are in this together right now, why would one try to counter the actions of another at this stage? Inactive players add nothing beneficial even if they are blue name, but if they were mafia it would have undoubtedly benefitted. So I think the risk was well-placed. Any mafia that are getting upset over this are just stupid. Maybe they are putting on an act to be upset, hmm? | ||
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French_Toast
United States99 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:31 Falcynn wrote: That's a horrible example. We're playing this game perfectly within the boundaries of the rules, for your analogy to make any sense we would've had to do something drastic like hacking into everyone's accounts and checking their PM's. If you want to talk about SC examples. We're 4pooling you mafia guys, and you're complaining about how we're ruining the game because of a "cheap" strategy that you can't get around (it's not that hard). Edit: and obviously we're going to keep looking out for clues, but since there are like 130 guys, there are obviously going to be times where clues point to more than one guy. So we need other tactics to narrow down the choices. Of course you are playing by the rules, you just chose to go the wrong way to go about it. You are not hacking, or cheating, a better way to describe it would be glitching. Look, let's say everyone responds truthfully except for the Mafia. Unless the Mafia are stupid they will all claim to be townies. Now, what you have is, all special roles are safe and medics can be assigned via PM. Also you have 31 innocents and you know everyone's special role. So, then you could also coordinate attacks with vigilantes, investigations with detectives, and other stuff. HOW CHEAP IS THAT? You are pretty much assembling an organized army and reducing possible suspects by 31! This game is set for you! Unless the mafia are super awesome you are pretty much 4 pooling them. | ||
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HeRoS)Pink
Canada336 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: Unless, that is, you are mafia. Not neccessarily accusing you, you might just be really, really stupid. Same goes for HeroeS)Pink (should we be paying attention to the mr. pink clue or is that too obvious? Damn you for picking a clue like that chuiu). Do you really think i would be that stupid to go against the town if I was a mafia with a mafioso in the clues called Mr.Pink? | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On March 21 2008 07:43 French_Toast wrote: I'm sure you guys will come up with something to counter this Of course you are playing by the rules, you just chose to go the wrong way to go about it. You are not hacking, or cheating, a better way to describe it would be glitching. Look, let's say everyone responds truthfully except for the Mafia. Unless the Mafia are stupid they will all claim to be townies. Now, what you have is, all special roles are safe and medics can be assigned via PM. Also you have 31 innocents and you know everyone's special role. So, then you could also coordinate attacks with vigilantes, investigations with detectives, and other stuff. HOW CHEAP IS THAT? You are pretty much assembling an organized army and reducing possible suspects by 31! This game is set for you! Unless the mafia are super awesome you are pretty much 4 pooling them.  I'd rather not share how the mafia can counter this since I don't want to give them ideas, but it is possible. Town will gain a slight advantage, but mafia can still win easily. | ||
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