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Right now, our job is to find some red.
I don't care if I get lynched right now because I have minimal power, it would be a waste and to be honest this game could go on for a while considering we have over 100 people this time around it would get pretty time consuming reading up on everyone's posts but so far that is exactly what I did and I already told the authorities my thoughts. We just have to see if it works or not.
Someone even said in the Q&A thread: 'I rather be Mafia because townie is boring.'
Add some spice.
Forgot to mention: Chuiu, I have a question for you. How do you regulate PMs? Couldn't someone who is dead or not even playing give their thoughts to help someone else?
I see many loop holes here.
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Actually even with 100+ people it won't take us long to find reds.
1.) Once all the Townies start PMing me, if any roles clash there's an issue
2.) There's room for 76 townies, and even then with inactives if too many Mafia tried to claim vanilla, that strengthens the validity of the blues that PM me giving us an easier time
3.) Everyone doesn't need to be investigated
4.) With a killing power of 9, after 2 days lets say around 24 people died (vigis and lynchings). By then, it would be really clear who some of the Mafia are.
Really, I'd only be worried if we hit Day 3 with 0 dead mafia and almost all our blues gone.
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So if we're just plain green townies you still want us to confirm with you?
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On March 21 2008 03:15 Falcynn wrote:
So if we're just plain green townies you still want us to confirm with you?
What would be the point of that? Unless you think that the Mafia will obligingly confirm as Mafia instead of town.
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Yeah, that is simple math. On the other hand, look! We're already up to 77 pages and we haven't been through one day yet.
Sucks if you have a weak role in all this.
It just doesn't resonate the same. Besides, if the mafia decides to take out someone who is on the right track or is a good player what is stopping them from PMing advice to someone remaining in the game?
Sure, you cannot post it public but someone else could be the mouthpiece. I just find it annoying.
If every townie were to confirm their role with the mayor via PM then by the process of elimination it would make our lives a lot easier, but it would be a long process and worse yet if he is mafia well GG.
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On March 21 2008 02:48 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 02:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 20 2008 17:04 Naib wrote:On March 20 2008 15:07 Ace wrote:On March 20 2008 15:04 ahrara_ wrote:
Well, I still don't think you're worth trusting even with strats and suspicions.
Alven:
I sure as hell hope detectives aren't revealing their roles to him. If the Detectives investigate me, then reveal their roles to me and see I'm innocent then why wouldn't they PM me? As for Showtime: Another shitstrirrer (so is Shallow, but if you look at his usual TL posts...well...go figure) I believe both even being innocent, can cause more harm than good, so we might as well get them out of the way... Sorry, but...you're a fucking idiot! actually it's a sound strategy. Shit stirrers are no benefit to the town, and if we make it clear we'd lynch them they would shape up. If they continue to behave that way we have no choice but to think they are Mafia and get rid of them.
I have to agree. So far, shitstirrers like Shallow and Showtime! contributed nothing but confusion.
I really hope they are with mafia, cause whatever side they're on, they only hinder it...
Just let's hope they're no special towny roles, would suck to have them wasted like that.
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Yes even if you are a plain vanilla townie I want you to PM me.
It'll help me a lot
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Question Mynock, why would anyone with a special role be so forthcoming in the first place?
Of course it would be wise for the mafia to try and lynch them via vote instead of night.
I'm going to stick with my strategy and hunches for now until proven otherwise.
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On March 21 2008 03:20 Ace wrote:Yes even if you are a plain vanilla townie I want you to PM me. It'll help me a lot
You're joking, right?
In case you aren't: how could it possibly help you?
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qrs is right though because chuiu didn't take out the inactives yet meaning we cannot possibly know as of right now because it won't add up. Good point and good reason to keep them in the game.
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Stalling for time? If he everyone to send him a PM with their roles except for mafia, we know who mafia is. If he receives too many PMs in one sections, we get suspects. Townies all have roles they can play by, mafia will either have to lie and might get caught, or not send a PM and get exposed that way.
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It still doesn't work Lucas because way too many people are inactive and it would take too much time. You wouldn't be able to measure it properly.
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It would still help with the slightest screw-up from the mafia. Say four detectives send a PM to Ace revealing their roles. One mafioso decides to become a detective for the sake of the PM. Bam, we've got a smaller suspect list. It's easier to look into the Day posts and find clues for 5 people than 130.
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On March 21 2008 03:23 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 03:20 Ace wrote:Yes even if you are a plain vanilla townie I want you to PM me. It'll help me a lot You're joking, right? In case you aren't: how could it possibly help you?
Ok for a second I'm going to put myself in the shoes of a Mafia member talking strategy with all his cohorts.
I see the bodyguard plan and realize that false claiming BG or DT early in the game will 100% lead to me being investigated soon no matter what.
So I instead wait until no one accuses the Mayor who I know is innocent, and then start sending in role PMs.
3 things happen here that can benefit Mafia:
1.) Not enough people sent in the same role PM (blue) so I look legit enough
2.) I claim a vanilla townie (green) and no one else is sending in PMs anyway so why waste an investigation on me
3. ) There are a lot of greens anyway so chances are I'm not found out
So I devised a counter-strategy that also falls in line with the BG plan:
If I ask everyone to PM me (and they should once they realize I'm legit) then the Mafia plan is crushed, because they
1.) can't risk sending in a blue PM
this is a major advantage to the town. If they send in a false blue PM and I ask them to do something and stuff doesn't add up they are caught. If they don't send in a false blue PM that just makes the real blues look legit (all add up) and I'm 100% sure they are real and can use them to the best abilities.
2.) send in vanilla PMs
seriously, if I end up with a list of 90 something vanillas and few blues I essentially just cut off all 34 or so blue roles out the suspect list.
Either way, the act of forcing everyone to PM me makes the Mafia have to think about the path they'll take their chances with, and I have methods for dealing with both paths.
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Qrs, it would help him because he would know who is and who isn't mafia, and thus, having knowledge, he would turn the town's tremendous disadvantage into an advantage.
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On March 21 2008 03:37 LucasWoJ wrote:
It would still help with the slightest screw-up from the mafia. Say four detectives send a PM to Ace revealing their roles. One mafioso decides to become a detective for the sake of the PM. Bam, we've got a smaller suspect list. It's easier to look into the Day posts and find clues for 5 people than 130.
And that is one of our prime strategies right now.
Remember I already said we don't need to investigate 100+ people.
If someone screws up in a group of 7, all we need to do is apply the clues to that group and confirm things with an investigation if need be.
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On March 21 2008 03:33 Showtime! wrote:
It still doesn't work Lucas because way too many people are inactive and it would take too much time. You wouldn't be able to measure it properly.
It adds to the possible combinations and clue interpretations (like it has been said already, mafia is lying, townies are not, and lies are more likely to catch up with the liars in the long run).
And to respond to your question: of course it would make no sense. But not much of what either you or Shallow said so far made much sense (all the stubborn bickering that is), so hey, how am I supposed to know?
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