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Paramedics: Dont protect Empyrean. The reason should be obvious.
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
also: Paramedics: Dont protect Empyrean. The reason should be obvious. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On March 20 2008 10:39 fusionsdf wrote: any smart mafia will role claim towny also: Paramedics: Dont protect Empyrean. The reason should be obvious. You and your mafia buddies want to kill him tonight? | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
On March 20 2008 10:39 fusionsdf wrote: On the off chance that it isn't obvious enough. They'll probably sacrifice their suicide bomber to take out Empyrean+a couple of medics. Assuming that Empyrean really is a detective.any smart mafia will role claim towny also: Paramedics: Dont protect Empyrean. The reason should be obvious. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Mynock
4492 Posts
Also, probably the best strategy would be for the medics to decide themselves if they want to protect Empyrean or not, this way the mafia will have to guess whether to use up their suicide bomber (and potentially waste him) or just use up some of their killing power (and still not get the kill). Let them guess. | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
On March 20 2008 08:44 Kau wrote: Yogurt, instead of waiting for Ace to post, I'd be interested in discussing it with you. i reread the plan, and for some reason i had in my mind that then the townies would be pm'ing their roles to the bodyguards, but i see he never wrote that in any case, this wouldn't work because of the massive pool of townies. Yes, it'd be easy to fish out the role claimers, as there are only two or three of each role, but the pool of townies is like 90 something people, which would allow mafia to just put their names in as townies, and it wouldn't help much. But anyway, I'm curious as to how the plan will continue. So hypothetically lets say Ace is mafia. He gets into "office" releases the names of the bodyguards, and everything seems fine. But if the town thinks he is legit, as he well might be, he garners a huge amount of trust and can sway the lynching votes away from his fellow mafia. But anyway, even if we do get the bodyguard names, where do we go from there? IF ace is mafia, he could release the names, but just as well kill all the bodyguards the first night. Well great, we lynch him, fine. But now pardoner has no bodyguards, and we're down a mayor. I dunno I guess someone should be skeptical of this plan | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On March 20 2008 10:49 bumatlarge wrote: Unfortunately, if Empyrean isn't mafia, mafia will kill him. And if Mafia won't kill him then townspeople will. Let's hope once Ace is in the office the plan works and we'll soon have a mayor who could then coordinate us and see if Emp really is legit. With a saboteur and a suicide bomber among the mafia tho, Emp is absolutely useless to the town now either way, except we might save a lynch if he is proven innocent. That's about all the use there is. | ||
Empyrean
17082 Posts
Well it looks like I'm obviously not going to get an elected position. I'm not a detective. I'm plain townie. You can get a detective or someone to check it out :/ Now. The only reason I posted that I was detective was to try and get the mayoral/pardoner spot, since the only way I will ever be sure (remember, I can't actually check people's roles) that we have a townie-aligned mayor/pardoner is if I were to be in office. So yes, I suppose it was a selfish move, but you'll have to believe me when I say that it was the best thing I could personally have done for the town, since I am a definite townie. I couldn't wait for the off-chance that someone else take the mayoral position and end up being a mafioso. So you'll understand why I tried to force the town's hand. And since I've revealed my true role, it's up to the mafia to decide if they want to waste their Suicide Bomber(s?) on a plain townie who's not likely to receive paramedic protection. Furthermore, it solves the problem of the saboteur issue. Why sabotage someone's "abilities" when they actually have none? All town detectives are at the moment unknown, and Ace's plan should proceed without impediment. | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
Detectives should investigate Ace's role. If he is townie, then they will silently PM their findings to him. If Ace is mafia, then they will blow Ace's cover. After the detective's death (with a likely suicide bomber use?), we'll know for sure, then we can lynch a potential-mafia Ace later. But I'm hoping Ace is townie. Also, when detectives check anyone else's role, if they could report it to Ace so that they don't reveal their cover. Ace will publicly state the detectives' findings. | ||
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BlindAlbino
Ecuador176 Posts
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On March 20 2008 10:51 Yogurt wrote: i reread the plan, and for some reason i had in my mind that then the townies would be pm'ing their roles to the bodyguards, but i see he never wrote that in any case, this wouldn't work because of the massive pool of townies. Yes, it'd be easy to fish out the role claimers, as there are only two or three of each role, but the pool of townies is like 90 something people, which would allow mafia to just put their names in as townies, and it wouldn't help much. But anyway, I'm curious as to how the plan will continue. So hypothetically lets say Ace is mafia. He gets into "office" releases the names of the bodyguards, and everything seems fine. But if the town thinks he is legit, as he well might be, he garners a huge amount of trust and can sway the lynching votes away from his fellow mafia. But anyway, even if we do get the bodyguard names, where do we go from there? IF ace is mafia, he could release the names, but just as well kill all the bodyguards the first night. Well great, we lynch him, fine. But now pardoner has no bodyguards, and we're down a mayor. I dunno I guess someone should be skeptical of this plan No, you don't realize a vital part of the plan, namely that the detectives use their role-check ability to see if the mayor is mafia or legit. If he is mafia we will know at once, if he's not, also. Worst case scenario is we lose a detective vs a mafia, best case scenario is we have a solid foundation for the rest of the game. | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On March 20 2008 10:56 BlindAlbino wrote: how can we even be sure your a townie at this point. this is ridiculous. making the game harder for us then it needs to be With the detectives. Once they find out I'm plain townie, they'll report it to Ace who will make that information known. | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further. This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
On March 20 2008 11:01 Mynock wrote: Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber. Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further. This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho. You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp. Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself. | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
On March 20 2008 11:02 GeneralStan wrote: You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp. Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself. Exactly. If he was a vanilla townie and thought his position through properly, he would have realized that he can hurt the mafia more by lying about him being a detective. Or, he's a detective after all, and is now just trying to save his hide. Or, he's mafia, in which case the confusion is obvious, but then he just made himself suspicious for no real benefit, and the best move would jut be to hold him suspicious without any direct actions atm. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
If h's mafia, he's going nowhere, fast. | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On March 20 2008 11:02 GeneralStan wrote: You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp. Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself. Heh. Think about it for a second - why would I make such a move to announce that I am detective so early on in the game? My only reason for doing so was to ensure a townie mayor. I've also confused some mafia, hopefully. If they still think I'm detective, they run the risk of wasting both their sabotage or their suicide bomber. If they think I'm vanilla townie, then, well, nothing special happens. All our detectives'll still be secret and safe. Anyway, if you guys really want to see my role, you should just wait for Ace to announce the detectives' results. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
Of course. You just wanted the POWA. But, yeah I must admit it was stupid of you to come out and confess. | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
The only real point of vanilla townies is to vote to lynch mafias and try and protect the real town special roles so they can win the game. Basically, my abandonment of my initial plan (to stir up mafia confusion - should we use a suicide bomber/saboteur?) was because you guys are trying to start the whole lynching bandwagon. [b]Just wait for Ace to confirm (via detective) that I'm vanilla town. | ||
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