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I think it's very important that all the detectives know for sure that the mayor is legit. Of course saving up the ability to check a person's role is also important, but the start is of utmost importance. Also, once the mayor is elected everybody should be able to reveal their roles to him. Don't forget that if the mafia tried to claim a role to the mayor, and more than the number of the assigned roles claimed it, the mafia would be quite easy to spot, so I doubt they would try that move.
In fact, another of the downfalls of Empyrean's self-revealing is as follows: While every detective just uses one of their checks to see if the mayor is legit, Empyrean (the only one who claimed he is a detective, and as such we should try to use him to save a role-check), should use his power to check the pardoner instead. He will probably be muted by the saboteur tho, so then one of the hidden detectives will have to waste another role-check on the pardoner, while Empyrean will eventually either be kept mute or dead as soon as a different target arrives.
This would leave us with a mere 3 [edit: oh, plus the 2 from the jack, so it's pretty OK!] role-checks for the rest of the game, but It's still well worth it IMO.
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On March 20 2008 09:08 Ghar wrote:Show nested quote +Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. Show nested quote +I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort.
This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME.
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Why do you guys hold the role checks so importantly? 2 role checks limits the use of them significantly. There's no logic in role checking a townie out of a hundred to in case he might be mafia. It's better used to confirm fundamental assumptions, like the mayor really is on your side, and whether if people are fake role claiming. The other skills are still very useful.
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These TL mafia threads are epic. We have just breached 25k pageviews, which is more than the how to use teamliquid thread--before night 1
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We're the mob. What do you expect?
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On March 20 2008 09:04 Caller wrote:
I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.
The mayor gets a list of the bodyguards.
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On March 20 2008 09:26 Showtime! wrote:
We're the mob. What do you expect?
Are you now?
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Show nested quote +Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME.
What do you mean?
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Show nested quote +Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean?
I'm not sure, I think he's talking about Ghar's bad quoting practices though.
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On March 20 2008 09:30 ahrara_ wrote:Show nested quote +Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean?
what I mean is that its useless to quote what someone say if u remove his name, it could be a fake quote just to fuck everyone, i dont mean its what he's doing but it would be better to leave the name in the quote to avoid such thing
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Yes, and I was making fun of his pettiness.
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On March 20 2008 09:31 HeRoS)Pink, ahrara_, CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean? I'm not sure, I think he's talking about Ghar's bad quoting practices though.
So THAT's where they all went!
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On March 20 2008 09:30 ahrara_ wrote:Show nested quote +Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean?
Oh I see what you did there.
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Problem is, that's how Ghar's original post was formatted... without further editing, that is.
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On March 20 2008 09:33 LTT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 09:31 HeRoS)Pink, ahrara_, CDRdude wrote:Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected. I have a concern with Ace's plan:
suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages
then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.
that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort. This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean? I'm not sure, I think he's talking about Ghar's bad quoting practices though. So THAT's where they all went!
LOL
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On March 20 2008 09:23 Ghar wrote:
Why do you guys hold the role checks so importantly? 2 role checks limits the use of them significantly. There's no logic in role checking a townie out of a hundred to in case he might be mafia. It's better used to confirm fundamental assumptions, like the mayor really is on your side, and whether if people are fake role checking. The other skills are still very useful.
That's just what I said as well. Altho towards the end of the game I suppose the role-check will become even more important in case there is a case like with Live2Win.
That's because, even though the plan of the role-townies revealing themselves all to the mayor would ensure all the roles are accounted for, if one of the roles doesn't have all the members being active enough it might pose such a problem that imposters might show up and infiltrate the system. Besides, there will always be plenty of townies who will draw suspicion to themselves through irrational behaviour (i.e Empyrean  ).
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The value of role checking is it lets the mayor coordinate the players.
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On March 20 2008 09:26 Showtime! wrote:
We're the mob. What do you expect?
0_o
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On March 20 2008 07:59 SonuvBob wrote:That's true, but for other candidates it could've been based on what they said. I had literally nothing to offer.
Hm, there are no candidates in my list, then, which makes sense, since it's takes time to plan out how you will try to make a good campaign. Ace looks pretty clean, Emp seems a bit risky, but we have a good chance of having a serious advantage over Mafia.
In fact, I think I will vote for Emp, because if push comes to shove, we can lynch him. Having a detctive as mayor is so strong, it's so tempting! WTF, Emp if you're mafia, Chuiu is pure evil.
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On March 20 2008 09:26 Showtime! wrote:
We're the mob. What do you expect?
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