EPTOn March 20 2008 11:10 Showtime! wrote:
Emp, you didn't think I knew that already?
Of course. You just wanted the POWA.
Emp, you didn't think I knew that already?
Of course. You just wanted the POWA.
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On March 20 2008 09:33 HeRoS)Pink wrote: what I mean is that its useless to quote what someone say if u remove his name, it could be a fake quote just to fuck everyone, i dont mean its what he's doing but it would be better to leave the name in the quote to avoid such thing Ah sorry. Didn't know that's what you meant. There's so many posts going on, usually I just highlight relevant sections of a post I want to quote. Sorry about the confusion. | ||
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For some reason...I believe in Empyrean. I STAND FOR YOU EMPYREAN. if you get killed, remember that I STOOD FOR YOU | ||
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SonuvBob
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Showtime!
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Nah, really? What do you think is the mafia's best strategic move? Mass confusion. | ||
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Yogurt
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imo if the mafia was smart, they would have 1 or two claim the detective roles to cause a lot of confusion and stall while townies died, even if they got lynched in the end | ||
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Infundibulum
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On March 20 2008 11:28 Yogurt wrote: how do we guarantee who the detectives are again? imo if the mafia was smart, they would have 1 or two claim the detective roles to cause a lot of confusion and stall while townies died, even if they got lynched in the end detective checks Ace, and then PM's Ace if ace is green/blue. so silence from detectives indicates that ace is not a mafia. from there ace builds the network, as he knows who the DT's are and so they can work through him without speaking in the open. If Ace is mafia (which would be awful for the town), detective has to speak up so ace can be lynched. then we are down a detective and a mayor, and in a tough spot indeed. if the mafia are roleclaiming a detective, ace will know since there will be 5 detectives PMing him, unless a detective is inactive. i think that's the plan, If I misunderstood something please someone correct me  | ||
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fusionsdf
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On March 20 2008 10:53 Empyrean wrote: Confession. Well it looks like I'm obviously not going to get an elected position. I'm not a detective. I'm plain townie. You can get a detective or someone to check it out :/ Now. The only reason I posted that I was detective was to try and get the mayoral/pardoner spot, since the only way I will ever be sure (remember, I can't actually check people's roles) that we have a townie-aligned mayor/pardoner is if I were to be in office. So yes, I suppose it was a selfish move, but you'll have to believe me when I say that it was the best thing I could personally have done for the town, since I am a definite townie. I couldn't wait for the off-chance that someone else take the mayoral position and end up being a mafioso. So you'll understand why I tried to force the town's hand. And since I've revealed my true role, it's up to the mafia to decide if they want to waste their Suicide Bomber(s?) on a plain townie who's not likely to receive paramedic protection. Furthermore, it solves the problem of the saboteur issue. Why sabotage someone's "abilities" when they actually have none? All town detectives are at the moment unknown, and Ace's plan should proceed without impediment. hahahahahaha | ||
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fusionsdf
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On March 20 2008 11:09 Empyrean wrote: Heh. Think about it for a second - why would I make such a move to announce that I am detective so early on in the game? My only reason for doing so was to ensure a townie mayor. I've also confused some mafia, hopefully. If they still think I'm detective, they run the risk of wasting both their sabotage or their suicide bomber. If they think I'm vanilla townie, then, well, nothing special happens. All our detectives'll still be secret and safe. Anyway, if you guys really want to see my role, you should just wait for Ace to announce the detectives' results. why would you, since even if you got your way people would expect you to use your detective powers as mayor and you wouldnt have powers Whether you are mafia or townie, paramedics shouldnt watch, and here is why. If you are mafia, you are safe. If you are townie, It is in the mafia interest to keep you alive for as long as possible for two reasons: 1) As long as you are alive, you are suspicious. They might as well force us to waste a lynch. 2) Mafia know you are a towny. They would be better off excluding you, because with random chance, they now have a better chance of killing a special role. If you do die, who cares? At best you are a detective plaing towny for safety - a move which makes you almost useless in that role; at worst you are mafia. again Paramedics should stay away from paramedics for the same reason, if he is a townie, you are better off protecting someone with a random guess, and hope its someone a) targetted by the mafia, b) special non-mafia role On March 20 2008 11:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: detective checks Ace, and then PM's Ace if ace is green/blue. so silence from detectives indicates that ace is not a mafia. from there ace builds the network, as he knows who the DT's are and so they can work through him without speaking in the open. If Ace is mafia (which would be awful for the town), detective has to speak up so ace can be lynched. then we are down a detective and a mayor, and in a tough spot indeed. if the mafia are roleclaiming a detective, ace will know since there will be 5 detectives PMing him, unless a detective is inactive. i think that's the plan, If I misunderstood something please someone correct me so we just lynch detectives until we find out which one is mafia? or do we have to coordinate the detectives somehow, which would tie them up another round? You would have to do a double check from what I see, which might take as long as two seperate nights. | ||
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Role-claiming other roles is also not a good idea for mafia, as roles can always be checked upon, and a mafia will always come into a short list of people and a lot of suspicion this way. Imagine mafia claiming a paramedic role. Now mayor assigns the paramedics to different targets (only he knows the targets and their roles) - now if one of the targets still dies it means the mafia somehow knew about the protection and sent more killers or the protector wasn't even protecting anything. Equally, if the mafia does not target the fake medic's assignment, it basically ensures the target's safety. So it's almost as having an extra medic around  Fake-claiming roles for mafia does not seem like a good strategy here. | ||
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