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NarutO
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Ace
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On April 15 2008 14:46 Camlito wrote: your 5th ace? damn im 11th, and i went for SKT . sux for j00! | ||
ShaLLoW[baY]
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MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 15 2008 14:45 Chuiu wrote: I'm sorry guys I've been bogged down with tons of extra work lately. I'll get it up tomorrow I promise. EDIT: Oh and don't worry about the inactive player situation. It's better than you think, I assure you. Yay, I got another day of life left in me! On April 15 2008 14:30 Ace wrote: also if the #s in Snake Charmer's paragrapg add up to 46 the next day it's we assume Master of Chaos is mafia right? Yes, though I feel already that it's pretty strongly evident as is. | ||
MTF
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He seems connected with things being split into two, and more particularly things that are in two by other peoples hands. (which is really strange, but seems to be present) See: Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. Note that Mr. Brown was present during Mynock's death and that he was the one who broke the phone in half, so this may point to him instead. I believe it points to Pink, however, as Brown was not present when Mynock's head was presented as in half. | ||
NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On April 15 2008 16:27 MTF wrote: Random Possible Mr. Pink Note: He seems connected with things being split into two, and more particularly things that are in two by other peoples hands. (which is really strange, but seems to be present) See: Note that Mr. Brown was present during Mynock's death and that he was the one who broke the phone in half, so this may point to him instead. I believe it points to Pink, however, as Brown was not present when Mynock's head was presented as in half. The only person that has a connection to the specific number two is omghi2u2 but this is just too obvious. I'll check that out later though. | ||
MTF
United States1739 Posts
Firstly, Mr. White: I noted before that Mr. White never seems to be involved with any of the fights until the last moment, in which he does the finishing move. Upon repeated inspection, I've noted some other traits. Take a look. Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off. "Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead. These all add up to one of two (or both) things: Mr. White is lazy or constantly late/last. Suspect: ieatkids5 - Let me clarify at the start that I am nowhere near 100% sure on this guy. The only reason I suspect him is because of his quote dealing with procrastination, being that laziness pays off now rather than working towards a later goal. Easy arguments against this are that there are no obvious connections with smashing in heads and that he was one of the people BlindAlbino was pushing to be lynched. Because of these two things I do not yet feel strongly that he is Mr. White. He is, however, the closest match I have at the moment, with his quote covering both laziness and waiting 'til the last second. Next, Random Note About Mr. Blonde: Notice that, although Mr. Blonde is very physical, he has never killed anyone through physical contact. He has only killed with a gun, and both (one time not mentioned specifically, but me and seemingly Plexa as well believe the clue refers to him) times it doesn't just leave the clue at "shot". He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot. Possibly not even a clue, but it is noteworthy to me that he has only ever killed with a gun despite attacking every other time physically. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On April 15 2008 15:11 MTF wrote: Yes, though I feel already that it's pretty strongly evident as is. I can't believe you actually think your convoluted numerology constitutes strong evidence. No offense--you did great with BlindAlbino, but the Master of Chaos "clue" is absurdly strained: + Show Spoiler + Cottonmouth: Cottonmouth is surrounded by numbers. By counting up the number references in the Day posts he shows up in, we arrive at this: Day 2: Specific numbers mentioned: 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27 Number placements: once, fourth, = 5 Name (OneBlueAugust): 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10 Total: 42 (40 + day 2) Day 4: Specific numbers mentioned: 5, 6, 3 = 14 Name (New104): 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30 Total: 44 (40 + day 4) #40 on the participant list is MasterOfChaos. I don't know whether MoC is Mafia or not, but I'd bet a thousand dollars that your evidence has nothing to do with it. | ||
MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 15 2008 19:51 qrs wrote: I can't believe you actually think your convoluted numerology constitutes strong evidence. No offense--you did great with BlindAlbino, but the Master of Chaos "clue" is absurdly strained: + Show Spoiler + Cottonmouth: Cottonmouth is surrounded by numbers. By counting up the number references in the Day posts he shows up in, we arrive at this: Day 2: Specific numbers mentioned: 2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27 Number placements: once, fourth, = 5 Name (OneBlueAugust): 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10 Total: 42 (40 + day 2) Day 4: Specific numbers mentioned: 5, 6, 3 = 14 Name (New104): 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30 Total: 44 (40 + day 4) #40 on the participant list is MasterOfChaos. I don't know whether MoC is Mafia or not, but I'd bet a thousand dollars that your evidence has nothing to do with it. Words like "a" and "the" are not specific number mentions. ALL of the numbers I counted in both day posts were specific numeric references. Words like "two", "once", "fourth", and "one" are clearly number references, in accordance to Cottonmouth definitely being connected to numbers. Also, the fact that the numbers that come up when these two days added are just two apart and that by subtracting the SPECIFIC day that it was on you come up with 40 both times, I find little room for coincidence. No offense, but your logic is shoddy. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
We'll see if we get a 46 in the next day post. I doubt it. But if we do, I take everything back and you can feel free to lynch #40. | ||
MTF
United States1739 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2] + Evening seemed to drag on forever as everyone worried over the turn of events the town faced. But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen. Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Over at casa Mynock he was frying himself a late night snack and watching a rerun of the news from earlier that night. He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room. With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving straight into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against TWO men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot. Unfortunately Mynocks neighbors were alerted by this blast, fortunately they were being taken care of the very same moment. NeaX and goldenkrnboi were drinking and gaming, not giving much thought to what had happened that day when they heard the shot from the house next to them. They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device. They were going to confront the man when another came through the back door. Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. He braced himself against the wall as he pulled them out with his good hand. He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but ONE by ONE FOUR more knived embraced his good arm. NeaX fell to the ground and the pain and loss of blood were slowly taking their toll on him. goldenkrnboi watched the whole thing in horror and finally gained the courage to attack the THREE men in a vain attempt to save his friend. Snake Charmer wasn't just standing idle though as he slashed away at goldenkrnboi giving him ONE gruesome gash after another. He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off. NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target ONCE more and finished him off throwing THREE knives into each of his legs and THREE in his back. NeaX didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly. Yogurt and ONEBlueAugust were playing a game of pool in the basement minding their own business when they heard the sound resonate from the house next door. They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. They were almost to Mynocks house when FOUR men intercepted them. Yogurt and ONEBlueAugust saw them and ONEBlueAugust asked them what was going on in the house. Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if ONE would present itself. Fortunately only FOUR men stood in their path and ONEBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the FOURTH man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. ONEBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against ONEBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed ONEBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. ONEBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as ONEBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally ONEBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live. Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off. They backed away from Yogurt and watched in anticipation expecting him to set off a bomb attached to his chest. He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat. The mafia had tried their best that night and had finished with their hits, but no one could explain the blasted remains of CTStalker that night. + Show Spoiler [Day 4] + In downtown Liquidia Empyrean and New104 were up late reviewing case reports on the lynched and murdered people from that day. They had come up with disturbing revelations and were ready to reveal them to the public in effort to help stem the wrath of the mafia. Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Along the way he noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. "Stop right there, you're under arrest for suspicion of murder" he called out, knowing he didn't really have the means to detain the man but would certainly try his best. Enigma grinned back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean. Down the hall New104 was starting to get worried, rather he was starting to get a little thirsty himself. Empyrean was taking his time, he thought, so that must mean he's brewing a fresh pot. He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed FIVE nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. As he was bending over to take a closer look Cottonmouth approached from behind and stabbed a nail into his back. He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab SIX more nails into him. New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there. New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. He dodge THREE more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. Later that night Winston was hot on the trail of Kau, who he had chased out of a dark alley. Kau assumed he had encroached on the wrong territory as he was doing some freelance investigating of his own. He ran down another dark alley in effort to lose Winston and opted to try to blend in with a pile of garbage. Winston flipped on his flash light and scanned around the alley, seeing no one, he took a slow pace as he moved down it. He was just about to the end when he noticed Kau. He had a clear shot and took it, firing off a couple rounds he quickly ended Kau's life. It was later yet and dawn was approaching, Queasy was stumbling home and leaving a trail of puke with him. Down the street Showtime! was spray painting graffiti all over the walls of the government buildings like you would expect lowlifes to do. He noticed Queasy approaching and saw how completely out of it the man was. He decided to have some fun and started spray painting Queasy's back as he walked by. Well Queasy wasn't as bad as Showtime! had thought and he spun around quick as the wind and landed a punch square in Showtime!'s right eye knocking him out. An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! straight through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it. Ordell was running from across the street after seeing what just happened. He tackled Queasy to the ground and with little trouble got up right away. He removed the knife from Showtime!'s corpse as he inspected it, a towny he thought to himself. He slashed Queasy's right shoulder as he was trying to get up and then kicked it to flip him around. "Lets see how you like it" he said as he stabbed Queasy through the heart, ending his life and a long night for the town of Liquidia. Notice that the number references stop as soon as the people with numbers in their names die? Chuiu obviously set the day post totals up in such a way that their names were part of the equation, as not a single specific number reference exists in either day after the named person dies. O, and just so you know, I did go through and count the "a"s and the possessive "the"s, and came up with radically different numbers when I was still confused about why they weren't adding up to the same exact number. Then I saw Plexa's post and it all came together. Tell me it doesn't all add up or make sense again if you want, but if you do, I want you to tell me exactly why it doesn't, because what I've posted is pretty damn exact. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On April 15 2008 20:04 MTF wrote: It's not "also"--it's necessary to your interpretation. I find plenty of room for coincidence.Also, the fact that the numbers that come up when these two days added are just two apart and that by subtracting the SPECIFIC day that it was on you come up with 40 both times, I find little room for coincidence. No offense, but your logic is shoddy. It's not a matter of logic but of judgement. I'll say no more of it now--if you've convinced people, they'll vote for him--but after the game (if not earlier) we'll see whether you were right. I'll be stunned if you are. | ||
MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 15 2008 20:48 qrs wrote: It's not "also"--it's necessary to your interpretation. I find plenty of room for coincidence.It's not a matter of logic but of judgement. I'll say no more of it now--if you've convinced people, they'll vote for him--but after the game (if not earlier) we'll see whether you were right. I'll be stunned if you are. Read the above and reply again. | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
1) Chuiu has never based clues off people's numbers in the list and I don't think he ever will. This is an important point, because it makes it MUCH easier to twist the clues to point at anyone you like. Everyone has a number, not just people like Eti307 (and by the way, I think it's more likely that some of the numbers [3-0-7 nails] point at him than at MoC), and the numbers go in increments of one. That means all I have to do is find a couple of tweaks to your count to make the clue point at someone else. It also means that ANY number you came up with would point at someone. 2) You don't count things like "a", "the", "another", because they are not literal numbers, but you do count "once". That's not a number any more than "a" is. 3) Subtract the number of the day? That strikes me as particularly tortured. You only do it to make your count consistent. I do think the numbers--OR SOME OF THEM--are probably a clue. I don't think you've interpreted that clue though. If you still disagree, fine, you're welcome to. The truth will come around in the end. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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MTF
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1) Chuiu has never based clues off people's numbers in the list and I don't think he ever will. This is an important point, because it makes it MUCH easier to twist the clues to point at anyone you like. Everyone has a number, not just people like Eti307 (and by the way, I think it's more likely that some of the numbers [3-0-7 nails] point at him than at MoC), and the numbers go in increments of one. That means all I have to do is find a couple of tweaks to your count to make the clue point at someone else. It also means that ANY number you came up with would point at someone. 2) You don't count things like "a", "the", "another", because they are not literal numbers, but you do count "once". That's not a number any more than "a" is. 3) Subtract the number of the day? That strikes me as particularly tortured. You only do it to make your count consistent. I do think the numbers--OR SOME OF THEM--are probably a clue. I don't think you've interpreted that clue though. 1: Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he wouldn't. You say it's easy to twist the clues, but reading my bold/capitalized you can clearly see I haven't done anything but count numeric references. ALL of them that are specifically numeric and NONE that are not. And you've yet to provide any specific "tweaks". 2: If you wanna be stubborn about it... Once: n. A single occurrence; one time: Once will have to do. You can go just this once. It is clearly a numeric reference whilst vague numbers such as "a" and "the" are not. They could be connected to numbers in certain instances, but like I said, I already did that and they're wildly different, whereas counting only specific numeric words adds up very well. 3: Day 2's total = 42. 42 - 2 = 40 Day 4's total = 44. 44 - 4 = 40 It's a very logical approach to the problem with the slight inconsistency, and it isn't even near a stretch because it uses the specific day number for each individual day. Why only some of them and not all? If I did that, it would be more like your "twist things to see what you want" story. Why do you keep criticizing without trying to point out where exactly I'm wrong and provide your own analysis? Honestly, you're either very stubborn or protecting MoC. I don't truly know which to feel is more likely. | ||
Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
You'll have to admit that what you found isn't exactly the most straightforward of clues, and that it might only be a coincidence. So don't be surprised and angry if people doubt you. | ||
Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On April 15 2008 21:46 Scorch wrote: One doesn't need to be stubborn or mafia not to believe your interpretation. qrs conceded he'll be stunned if your interpretation turns out to be correct, but he doesn't believe it does for now. Same goes for me unless a 46 appears in the next day post in a couple of hours. You'll have to admit that what you found isn't exactly the most straightforward of clues, and that it might only be a coincidence. So don't be surprised and angry if people doubt you. Day is in a couple of hours? ;o. | ||
MTF
United States1739 Posts
On April 15 2008 21:46 Scorch wrote: One doesn't need to be stubborn or mafia not to believe your interpretation. qrs conceded he'll be stunned if your interpretation turns out to be correct, but he doesn't believe it does for now. Same goes for me unless a 46 appears in the next day post in a couple of hours. You'll have to admit that what you found isn't exactly the most straightforward of clues, and that it might only be a coincidence. So don't be surprised and angry if people doubt you. Iii don't get how it isn't straightforward or is a coincidence. o_O Help me out here: - Only & all of the numeric words in those days that Cottonmouth was present. - A close sum total for both days, with a minimal difference between them. - They both meet at a single total when the days number they are on is subtracted from them. What exactly is missing to convince you and why would the next time convince you if two separate occurrences don't? | ||
qrs
United States3637 Posts
On April 15 2008 21:15 MTF wrote: *sigh* I hardly think it's necessary, but to make you happy I had a look to see what I could tweak and I noticed that you had inexplicably failed to bold "two knives met his hands". Oh, hey, now the numbers both add up to 44! They must point at str! (sarcasm, but that would still be marginally more convincing than your original version).1: Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he wouldn't. You say it's easy to twist the clues, but reading my bold/capitalized you can clearly see I haven't done anything but count numeric references. ALL of them that are specifically numeric and NONE that are not. And you've yet to provide any specific "tweaks". 2: If you wanna be stubborn about it... No, I don't want to be stubborn about it. I wasn't going to post again until you specifically told me to. I'm not going to debate "once" vs. "a" with you now, because it's not worth the effort. Neither one is a cardinal number. Both refer to single things. If you see a difference between them, that's great. Why do you keep criticizing without trying to point out where exactly I'm wrong and provide your own analysis? Honestly, you're either very stubborn or protecting MoC. I don't truly know which to feel is more likely. I did point out where I felt your analysis was stretched. I can't say "wrong" because there's no proof per se against your concoction (nor against any other 'clues'). I just don't find it very credible. I've said I'm willing to drop this. You're the one who's being stubborn. I know you're proud of your detective work, but that doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with you is Mafia. | ||
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