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On June 04 2024 14:02 Trfel wrote: Oh hey, long time no see! Howdy, you too  I have been watching Traitors recently and got back the mafia itch. What perfect timing for a game to start ! | ||
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Hi On plane about to take off. I'm surprised by quant of posts and even more so that peoples essence is bringing back such strong memories. Pretty cool. Have skim read. Trfel stood out to me as sentiment over a few posts felt forced / overly processed. Not sure if that's his meta though. Certainly not a scum claim. Also felt a little similar with rsoultin. | ||
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Although I did read as you predicted. Yet not much to analyze You improved. Not sure why the tone changed but it did. And I like that rain observed at same time.i did Rsoultin I'm back to neutral Buzziest read to me is kelsier and alphazero I don't find alphazero insight that great. I.e. Scott defense was adequate to me And. Alpha is reading to immediately nitpick which I can't relate to I'm looking for scum.and town. Just weird so far His tactic of flag was a nice touch though. I will steal that for future | ||
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Buzzy would be like scummiest. Pinging me / buzzing me I want to read your post on Kelser but really struggling to concentrate into paragraphs lol.. what a convenient excuse In all seriousness will examine after dinner. | ||
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It's odd he needs to throw ina. Town read of rsoultin to justify town reading someone else.. to me that is much more scum motivated than town.. possibly moreso early game with not much to clutch onto My challenge point is ignoring vivax.. personally . It's super early game and I viewed his post on Scott as a neutral prod. It's pointing out a standard thing . Post about setup is usually more scum motivated as nothing to talk about.. either town or scum can point on this which is why neutral for me . I didn't take issue with Scott's subsequent post so view the whole exchange as neutral if anything I somewhat lean ever so slightly town on Scott as he stick to his guns in a calm non defensive manner. | ||
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Why does the read on rsoultin matter in regards to alphazero? | ||
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On June 07 2024 19:57 Kelsi3r wrote: Why does my read matter? Dunno i guess thats up to you Hi mate It matters as you referenced rsoultin to bias your read on alphazero as town What's the concern to embellish? | ||
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You have my vote now ##vote: kelsi3r For being intentionally obtuse . This shouldn't be this hard mate | ||
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On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote: roflI find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all. I find his entrance to be forced, like he is trying too hard to find something scummy. I am interested in why truffles thinks he doesn't want to lynch mocsta today? Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push? Weak moite | ||
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I retracted later | ||
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On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote: at first I thought that you confused me with trfel, and the last statement confirms you did not.I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all. .... Is it because Mocsta sheeped your push? What is that that i mischaracterized or nitpicked in kelsier entry post? | ||
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On June 07 2024 13:18 Trfel wrote: hey trfel.. what's the minus point referring toand is this fundamentally different to what kelsiEr said on entry?Post 125... I can see where AlphaZero is coming from, despite the minus points. Kinda like rsoultin as well, actually, surprisingly. | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:48 AlphaZero wrote: guilty of seeking to sound fancyIt would be a mischaracterisation of the post you quoted to say I said you mischaracterised. I don’t need to point out the specific instances. You can go back and look at your own filter and see that you were nit picking. For the record, I have no issue with nitpicking, but you claim to “not understand it” while also engaging In it. Regardless when I read what I wrote which was one sentence I found you to embellish if in disagreement. So yes I am asking you to point out | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:50 AlphaZero wrote: Further, doesn’t this imply you thought trfel was doing the above? No? | ||
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Twas reading his filter Nothing comes to mind in the same way which aligns with my retraction to be fair. I suspect it was related to his flow in the early game. I found it disjointed when read as a thread. | ||
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This is what I wrote.. which you proclaim to be nitpicking and iirc call me scum On June 07 2024 19:52 Mocsta wrote: Trfel I mostly align on the kelsi3r take It's odd he needs to throw ina. Town read of rsoultin to justify town reading someone else.. to me that is much more scum motivated than town.. possibly moreso early game with not much to clutch onto . | ||
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On June 07 2024 22:55 AlphaZero wrote: noSo you considered that statement and when you thought it was about truffles it wasn’t worth addressing? | ||
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Am I missing relevance? It's not like that is his final post? | ||
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Please respond to my post now | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:01 AlphaZero wrote: I think there is a very good chance mocsta is mafia. There is a lot of bluster and attacking players which on the surface could look town aligned , but it doesn’t seem like he is genuinely trying to determine alignments to me. Lol Talk about gaslighting Call me mafia and ignore *my* questions to elucidate Wonder who is more likely to gaslight between town and mafia..... | ||
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I much prefer his tone on most recent post since this so don't intend to talk about this comment any further. Just sought to stand my ground on a topic that matters in real life. No worries if you still disagree. | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:14 AlphaZero wrote: Careful, that could be considered a mild nitpick Marv. Lol! I did retort | ||
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And would assume.its making overall town environment worse than better given no one has endorsed Frankly I'm still cautious of you as I assume you are of me I just accept for now this is at an impasse Could it be possible.both of us are defiant in what we believe are valid points. Maybe. I'm not closed to this. Although I don't find that to be a town v town tell either. Hence why I'm ok to leave this alone for time being Is there anyone you are interested in my thoughts on (other than trfel or kelsier)? | ||
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After a filter read I didn't recognize all his posts relate to the mason stuff. Early game I was ok with the question as could just be a guy that got a whisper role and then next couple posts are in response to queries.. overall to me indifferent at that point But that mason talk continues when some other avenues started to open up makes me is a point of caution for me I will be paying attention to next 24hrs as i want to see more opinions outside of mason stuff | ||
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On June 07 2024 23:49 sandroba wrote: that's a fair pull upMocsta, what are the townie things about scott that are giving you mixed feelings? Mixed was a poor word choice for being in the middle/neutral Certainly I don't view his early game as scummy as what others have pointed out. I get setup talk is more.often scum yet this game does have unusual setup and in my mind that balances out. The rain agreement to me is also a minor point. Yes perhaps he is scum and just seeking to bullshit and close discussion or could equally have wanted a reputable opinion of a whisperer I concede if he is not a whisperer than it's not in his favourz and by odds that 12 of 13 or what ever headcount is.. so I can see after this response I'm.stixking up for a very very low chance outcome His end of filter I was surprised by.. I thought he shifted away from mason. So basically I don't have a town tell as I was too hedged on alternative worlds where could just be a whisperer which is too low odds to assume a defense point | ||
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On June 08 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: yeah I get this now and accept it's the most likely optionsBasically if the initial question wasn't fake, definitely what rayn answered is not enough to address the question. If it is fake you are either doing it to create discussion and you don't really care about it, or you are trying to blend in not create discussion. If you intension is the former which could be a townie agenda, you wouldn't try to cut it short when you got the discussion going, which was what scott did. It makes more sense it was the latter which points to mafia agenda. I was too focused on a third option which is too low odds (i.e. genuine role query) | ||
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On June 08 2024 04:31 Trfel wrote: well said mofo - hat is my sentiment precisely . @Alakaslam, it looks like you are posting as you catch up, but just in case that isn't true, here is the post you said you wanted to see. I also bring this up to make a point about Kelsi3r. Raynpelikoneet does a very nice job of explaining how he can think someone is town due a read he doesn't agree with. My point though, is, see how it requires a meaningful explanation? Like without the explanation, it doesn't make sense. I can kinda understand Kelsi3r townreading AlphaZero for his scott31337 post, but I really can't understand townreading rsoultin for being interested in AlphaZero's scott31337 post. If he had an explanation that made it make sense I'd consider it, but he doesn't, his explanation is pretty weak imo, and not at all insightful. It's not that what Kelsi3r did is inherently scummy, it's that the way he went about it doesn't make sense. Rayn rsoultin read is also different as it's a meta read based on direct experience. Also I interpreted marv read me as townie lol! | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote: dayam I chuckled.outnloud with thisCan you let me play or what What’s your vivax read Town slight lean for me right there Is this bravado in mafia!oats range? | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:04 rsoultin wrote: ehhhh nah i'm still not feeling marv. it would be super fun to lynch a scum marv throwing shade at me, but i can't get over that breezy playful tone Agreed , I don't remember him being that fun as mafia Marv should self-resolve by day 2 or. At worst 3 | ||
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On June 08 2024 07:57 marvellosity wrote: Also can I just say. If you all think I’m too smart to make a poor post on rsoul because she hadn’t posted after page 8. Then you need to be consistent and understand I am also too smart as mafia to make that post. Because I am now suffering the inevitable conclusion. I refer back to my list post once more as that’s where I actually stood having read the game. My bad for not contextualising rsouls filter. Touche Town and mafia can make this point yet the delivery is just too good Cannot lymch today | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:10 marvellosity wrote: aawwwwwwI can talk about this. I bought into what sand was selling me. So that’s why Scott and kelsier were where they were. Mocsta I was/am suspicious of, still primarily because I think he was making it up when he talked about the posts you made. Mate. I probably shouldn't have posted my first post Game started at 10 for me and earliest chance I had to read was 4 sitting on plane In short hectic mad day and I was so excited to make intro post for first time.in maybe 6years.. I see the length of the game and was like wtf I dont have time.to do this before take.off and lose reception. Quickly skim and rsoultin and trfel.poats were the ones where my mind just disconnected from. Could not engage So put it out there to just have out it out there I wouldn't say the post content was forced because it's how I felt at that moment, although the sentiment that I needed to post something , yes was forced It's also part of why I retracted once I landed and read thoroughly | ||
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 Now I have to read your filter 😂 | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:25 marvellosity wrote: Tomorrow I am going to re look at kelsier (through truffle’s eyes) because I think Trfel is town and I’m curious about the lack of traction he’s getting (I am well aware I am part of that lack of traction!) It's possible the lack of attraction is association with me | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote: Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta? Don't know Regardless of alignment people read me. Pull wise I'm in bottom third of game so would be better for me to sheep I am thinking rather than throw a vote away. If I had my way I still find kelsi3r intentionally unhelpful beyond me and am good with that vote to proceed. I dont have a strong/confident read so would prefer to get rid of the trash so to speak - which evenso could include me being in the bottom 1/3 from my point of view at least. Sucks to say. I would just do that die meatballs huh or whoever has literally 1 post.. hate that shit once in mid or long game. Maybe as well clear out now | ||
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On June 08 2024 10:21 rsoultin wrote: im ok with rayn at this point, mainly because the direction he is leading conversations seem to have aligned with my own points of curiosity. lol same regarding rayn well az reminds me of another player whose scum game consists of buddying top townies (and by this i mean the 'good players' the community here generally listens to) and crawling so far up their asses he goes under the radar. idk that this is the same player but the interchange with marv is giving me those vibes. tbc marv is good, but i guess i mean the people who have the most pull if people are reading them town now i don't know that az's the same person or not so that's not reason enough to scumread him at all. but his view of the game also isn't aligning with mine on several fronts so those two things together earns him the rayn tier of i don't fucking know. i'm hoping if he's town that'll become clear in further discussion lol >< on the other hand i have noticed he appears to be lurking a fair bit (i.e. post increase times with when upper tier players are around). that in itself is not scummy at this point in the game although should be monitored each day as it will increasingly become scummy if activity and direction of conversation diminishes. az, i havent changed my mind on, just view it as desctructive to pursue this cycle. | ||
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On June 08 2024 11:05 Trfel wrote: I should add, it's different if you have something to discuss about AlphaZero. I'm happy to discuss them if you have legit reasons. I just don't think this is the right time for nebulous, ungrounded paranoia. And I don't have any legit reasons. this is a nitpick, genuinely sorry.. what did you mean by "they" in your previous post | ||
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On June 08 2024 11:02 Trfel wrote: I don't have much to discuss about AlphaZero. I kinda think [b]they]/b] are town but it's a weak read. | ||
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to me: i assume scum received whisper and did not use - main reason being, either mason that is town i believe should have claimed to close out loop with scott situation. by now, there is sufficient reactions / discussion in place that this would be beneficial to town. i have to assume all town would recognise that. does this point out anything about the scum team? perhaps that upper tier / mechanic focused player is part of it? | ||
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On June 08 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote: awww man, i dont even understand why im not fitting in Mocsta has been bad so far but I don’t think it makes him scum. One thing I found particularly interesting is that he hasn’t engaged with Scott or vivax at all in his filter woe is me i haven't engaged with vivax because i find his playstyle really polarising which is not conducive to scumhunting.. to be fair with vivax i really need other people to make cases that i can then internalise scott thats a fair call. i do have on my agenda to review now that he has more content which is what i was waiting for.. i was left underwhelmed with his posts when i caught up but did get a spider sense tingle from it. (i.e. underwhelmed beucase of stringing together BS) the player that makes me uncomfortable in the pit of my stomach is AZ, so hes my top scum read.. again. i dont have it as an agenda to push today for reasons i have already stated and are unchanged. will do a deep dive review on scott later today and i want to re-read sandroba people i am not open to lynching today are: oats, trfel, rsoultin, rayn, marv.. i didnt include az as if there was a wagon i would be all over that. | ||
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On June 08 2024 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote: More so those were two pretty significant things that have happened in the game that mocsta seems to have missed hey mate, i dont understand yes havent posted to scott, however, my opinion on what happened has been stated numerous times. vivax though, i have no idea what you could be referring to that was significant? | ||
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On June 08 2024 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote: You literally say that your top scum read is az and a significant part of that I would reckon to be from the way hes handled vivax no? no? it was how he handled scott and then his reaction to me which i think is over the top for someone that presented as solid player the way he withholds information as well, could be townie/scummy, but i find it done in a passive agressive way which i associated more likely to be scummy again. unless a wagon is forming i dont want to build a case against az. im moreso responding to the nature of this question, and i didnt even realise he had a scum read on vivax to be fair i thought it was scott and me. | ||
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On June 08 2024 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote: because there has been resistance so it just clouds discussion when a few people were yet to post i.e. put into monitor basket.Withholds information how? Idk why people (trfel&mocsta) don’t wanna talk about az so weird I would summarise AZ style of play as pulling up inconsistencies and letting others draw conclusions. it is the missing conclusion that i refer to as withhold.. im not talking about withholding reads, those have been aired yet are all over the place and everything is contingent on something else which i associate as a scum thing to do. scott, trfel, Like one thing I cannot get past is that AZ is defending Kelsier as if he is a town-read, yet calls him "very null" to the point that anyone attacking is super sus.. I just struggle to see town being this hedged. On June 08 2024 06:38 AlphaZero wrote: Literally the only thing about kelsier in his filter is:Kelsier: anyone with a strong opinion here is sus. Very null. On June 07 2024 21:36 AlphaZero wrote: I find it funny that mocsta called me out for needlessly nitpicking before nitpicking everything about kelsier's entry post that wasn't bad at all. On June 08 2024 07:06 AlphaZero wrote: Rso can you explain to me why Kellsier seems to be scum read by everyone. Am I missing something here? | ||
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On June 08 2024 14:19 AlphaZero wrote: less patronizingWhat changed here? if this was real life, we would be handling this very differently - no, i dont mean with fists. you wouldnt be talking to me like you had been, leave it as that. | ||
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az started strong so i could also be guilty of holding az to a higher expectation; yet i reckon rest of filter is a mess (with a reluctant admission that there is some good stuff too).. like in my mind, if i removed the red flag posts out of his filter, it would be quite consistent actually so im slowly slowly reducing my expectation of az to betaone again a reason why im not going balls to the wall i still need to re look into scotts filter. will bbl | ||
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On June 08 2024 15:37 Trfel wrote: But that doesn't make sense wow.. new talk ey urban dictionary = true bro chill.. or more likely.. to be clear.. which does make sense | ||
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.your post #715 on oats I don't really get it I had a read of oats filter and didn't see the same things you raised. His filter is consistent focus and attitude/tone. He's kept prodding the same things regardless of buy in, which yes can be scummy. Yet. He's updating the read as the conviction increases which I find townie. There was a post early game about you and Ryan that stuck out to me and made me wonder about a scum duo of rayn and oats but that's really clutching at straws and nothing I intend to pursue. | ||
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Dmb filter is small and concise yet I find I have to really concentrate to not gloss over it.. it's like there is a focus/permission to concentrate on vivax and by extension oats and rest is playful interaction with no purpose that I can identify. May also fit into theory of not wanting to mason although that's not an argument as very hypothetical. Does dmb fit into town meta? I really can't be armed to dig through past games. Which then also is a point of curiosity that dmb made a big deal to requests Scotts past game history.. a glimpse of active and productive townie yet rest of filter doesn't align with that gusto | ||
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On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote: Not you. Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta? Have read your filter and like how you picked yourself up from all the mason/neighbour discussion in particular examining multiple players which from your situation I assume.tonbe more town likely than mafia. I'm slightly concerned kelsi3r could be a bad townie vote > mafia.. just because the way the wagon is building is a bit odd.. limited buy in (even though majority so far) and also no resistance.. it's possible wagons will take off in final two hours so meh?? | ||
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On June 08 2024 17:43 marvellosity wrote: well you've been building that since yesterdayThe push-but I’m not going to push from Mocsta gives me the ick We are both here. Let's chat My head space has been outputted in past couple posts. Where do we go from here? Btw. I believe people do change however you used to read me pretty good and go against grain to back me. I'm not scum calling you or being butthurt. More confused than anything hopefully chat helps that both ways. | ||
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Funny how objective reality distorts through each user! Copy copy I know what Scott asked me and that I didn't answer directly If I had mayor vote. I would drop AZ If I could lead a wagon I would consider kelsier/dmb If I wanted to take a gamble I would drop Rayn. I have to read sandroba / slam although I haven't been concerned by them to date I have not seen anything else I want to sheep at this point although recognize my current cred means I need to 🐑 | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:01 AlphaZero wrote: Well I mean that's predictable given me todayIt's probably mocsta/scott/xxx someone like vivax or slam What if it wasn't me? Would Scott/vivax/slam still be your group? | ||
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.that's a disappointing response form you. I extended an olive branch too | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:15 marvellosity wrote: nah not a dick, Cos I get what you are askingOh yeah. That vote from way earlier d1? I mean he reason it’s a disappointing response from me is because reading so many of your posts, that doesn’t seem to be the main driver for you. What I’m getting at is if your vote wasn’t there it would be really unclear what you were doing. And as for olive branch, I’m not being a dick am I? I just meant I put my neck out with that list in my opinion Not Cos of the names but how it's said and knowingly contradicts some stuff Look my dilemma.is simple as stated I don't see AZ being bandwagons this cycle..I'm only outting his name out as a response to others. I'm Not initiating In my book that's significant difference and makes it half ok. Az response has been different to what I thought. I assumed he would make a case so I'm a bit it taken back by it almost seems deflated Yes kelsier is early on and I don't view it as a bad lunch Maybe it's a higher chance of bad townie than mafia and I'm not even sure gives that much info I think other options are just a lottery draw. So if wagons form when I'm asleep I'm all good with kelsier.. that's about it really? | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:17 AlphaZero wrote: Not sure, I don't really work with teams much of the time. Just work on what is individually scummy and then if the team makes sense that's bonus points. I think it's possible rso is mafia for example, but I wouldn't make a wager that this was the case. Same with rayn. I think Scott and yourself are a pairing that makes sense if I was going to make associative cases. And you are both in the poe if I was going to eliminate the townie looking players. If one of you was town though I would bet you were town over Scott hands down. That's totally reasonable Thanks for responding in clarity | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:23 AlphaZero wrote: None of those apply to meAs far as I can see the argument for not lynching Scott is - he is lynchbait in the past ((although trfel disproved that somewhat) - alpha is scummy and is pushing a mislyynch - ??? Doesn't really outweigh the substantively scummy things he has done. Ignoring mason neighbour thing since he has since fully dropped it Rest of filter looks like active hunting to me I don't care he buddies to me. As town or Mafia it fits how the thread has shaped. I think he pulled up some interesting posts. He has no such limited cred can't start a wagon either so that's pretty much max output he can do as a townie. Would he do that as mafia? I genuinely don't think so. | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:26 AlphaZero wrote: Perfectly timed Mocsta can you give me an analysis of Scott from your perspective please Cna you please check out my post #735 re dmb | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:29 marvellosity wrote: didn't realize I was known for strong stuffSo it’s taken me way too long to find this, it’s precisely because I had read this I asked you who you wanted to lynch Mocsta. Your stance on your lynch target seems to be ‘he was very unhelpful’ and as above ‘could just be a bad townie vote’ It’s hardly strong stuff My perception of kelsi3r is mostly unchanged even with all players now posting. My consideration is exactly as drafted. The build smells to me like mafia are happy with this course of action. Maybe you don't play with those factors?? It is something I give a weighting towards I mean I get it's a shit defense mafia can easily throw out. But dude my mafia game is not about being 180 out of sync with dominant players. I don't really know what else I can tell you? | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:30 AlphaZero wrote: Can you post some hunting he is doing that isn't refrencing me (cause to me that Is a point against him) just curious what you consider active hunting. https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189181 reading it again it could also be a way to +1 onto you.. doesnt personally give me scummy vibes https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189185 fair call out, although could be town or mafia https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189222 this one is a little peculiar *because* on his summary list, he put sandroba as could lynch & rsoultin as town.. so i cant really imagine myself or town asking that question https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28189519 i personally think that question aligns with his game position i think its more likely for town to ask than mafia given my game position average heuristic at best but one i still give some weighting to i've ignored the posts relating to you | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:39 marvellosity wrote: ohh i see. i wouldnt know mate. have never played with him before and read a game with himThis is total nonsense btw. Last game scott went (correctly) hard at oats really early. If anything this points towards him mafia here, not town. copy, i will drop that weighting | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:36 marvellosity wrote: you know there was a post before you said.. it works both ways.. scum marv is too smart to do that as wellCome now. You’re smart enough to know that mafia need to fit in and town generally don’t care as they just want to find mafia. That’s not to say it’s a 100% thing else I’d have switched my vote to you immediately. But you know what I’m saying is true. As an aside that’s where the kelsier town read came from. He so blatantly wasn’t trying to pacify you or town. Again this is not 100% but it’s a townie trait and not a mafia trait. same with the fit in comment.. scum mocsta definitely wouldnt throw that out there i hear what you are saying, doesnt change both need to fit in. for me the weighting is a bit stronger cos i have a big ego | ||
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On June 08 2024 18:36 AlphaZero wrote: scott knows about mason, and is unsure about whisperer mechanicThis post is sus- how can you just ignore the points against him? It's like you aren't trying to discern what that means for his alignment. Even Ignoring his opening, his case against me was objectively scummy- Then you call his scumhunting a strong point. It's mind boggling stuff. people are conflating that in my mind.. like. i personally dont care about mason/whisperer differences, yet i dont see why someone else cannot care.. yeah its a weird post for town. i have never denied that.. BUT its early game and its not like he stood by that as activity so i dont view it scummy as a filter i dont know what else to say p.s. sorry to absolutely cripple you in pain but this post makes me feel most positive about you; enough that i would take you out of my mayor lynch category and back into normal lynch. some used to refer to my town game as "moc-logic" and you just stumbled into it | ||
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On June 08 2024 19:11 marvellosity wrote: different type of dominance trait. regardless. i dont think this helps solve the gameIf you have a big ego then you shouldn’t feel the need to fit in - makes literally no sense mate Does palmar, me, hf try to fit in? if you are genuinely curious can talk about it more post game. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:21 marvellosity wrote: I can follow your progression so it's valid just wrong unfortunately.‘The sentiment that I needed to post something, yes was forced’ Similar to what he said about (not) fitting in I don’t like any of it. I have enjoyed the vibe the past page even though it's about me. Exclude me fine but it all feels townie including alpha. I will respond to alpha once I finish date night so sometime before cycle. Just not now. One caveat I will add which unfortunately doesn't help anyone is.. my reads are highly volatile and my language is much looser than how others would.use the same phrases. I totally get why alpha says I justify conclusions. In my mind I haven't concluded anything it's just the..peak of my snapshot at that point. Is what it is. Would.like to be different and personally after 6years from this game.im.surprised.myself to see that come.out. I think I'm going to have to commit to a full re read which I really dont want to do but if alpha is actually town I want to remove that bias Right now. If you ask me who to lymch. My strongest inclination is to sheep onto something that I can relate to which i havent yet seen but am.expecting between now and end of cycle. I reckon this will push you more scum into me but again is what it is. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:39 Trfel wrote: legend mate, bing bing bingRaynpelikoneet, rsoultin, sandroba, maybe even AlphaZero? And sure, Mocsta said it was a mistake, but I disagree I think it's more likely that his perspective changed, causing him to interpret the same posts in a different way. I mean if you want to call that a mistake then sure, I wouldn't say that though. | ||
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On June 08 2024 19:46 AlphaZero wrote: its the heuristic about 'moc-logic'. i really dont expect you to get it cos of the history aspect.What about the post is meaningful for determining my alignment. What part can only come from mafia? its ummm.. the utter confusion which you later articulate in your "case" on me, about too bad to be town, yet too bad to be mafia. in the past, only town have been willing to consider what it means, so its a noteworthy thing to me when you talk about what can only come from mafia, i'm going to assume you mean something i wrote in that response could only be from mafia? in that case, you are wrong by default. if i hazard a guess its that i took you from mayor lynch to normal lynch? | ||
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On June 08 2024 19:56 AlphaZero wrote: i have accepted your interpretation, although disagree in particular about a closed mind. i reckon you are confirmation biased here, i mean, yes i have been firm on you up to past couple pages, yet, at least in my mind have been open about discussing points. disagreeing about a conclusion is not the same as close minded because without anything new introduced, why would the outcome change?Couple of thoughts after Mocsta interactions - it seems to me like he is drawing conclusions and then making really terrible justifications for them rather than acting with a curious and open mind to determine alignments - it seems to me he is cautious and almost apologetic when pushing me, despite being his 2nd? Largest scum read. Tracks as mafia lynching town, not as town who thinks they have got a lead on mafia. i can understand my push on you is unusual. im pretty sure i would find it weird too. i'm very certain my pushes on you are all in response to people, again, i think thats significant. we made 'peace' yesterday and i wasn't intentionally trying to break it. im very certain oats was pushing for my az reasoning so i said fuck it - his reasoning and justifications are awful and nonsensical. wont know until flips mate. although yes, im not an analytical player at the best of times so im ok with you stating this. doesnt make me mafia though unless its being used to push mafia agenda,, now this, i dont see you substantiate and again you would need flips to support. the problem I am having is I do t know why he would play like this as either alignment. i suppose one thing i - option 1 he is tying himself up into knots because he is pushing mafia agenda -option 2 he is town and he legitimately thinks these things.  ON'T like here in option 1 is.. you dont call me mafia.. you say im pushing mafia agendaironicaly i didnt realise this when i wrote about mafia agenda above btw.. i still think the purpose of this post aligns with town piecing together puzzles so its not a negative for me. i think it more points out subconsciously you know option 2 is true, and just dont want to admit it outloud.. its ok mate. i went through the same with you I view option 1 more likely through my lens of how the game should be played, and what is reasonable to expect from town and mafia. for the record im equally active as mafia and town. i have *never* been called up for 'moc-logic' as mafia, again, i cant expect you to acknowledge or recognise that.. i guess the only thing i can ask here is.. what is my tone saying across these posts to you and marv. internally i feel mentally the same responding start of day and now, so hopefully you see that tooIt seems trfel thinks the other option would be more likely. I’d just like to get some more thoughts itt about this. | ||
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On June 08 2024 20:53 AlphaZero wrote: i already said im getting townie vibes from past couple pages. like real collaboration buzzRight now. What do you think my alignment is? you are off my shit list .. kk.. good bye for real now | ||
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On June 08 2024 21:41 Vivax wrote: blatantly falseHis previous read on rsoultin was that he reverted to neutral but when he votes Kelsier it‘s because he expected him to easily see what made her scum after he stopped scumreading her. That‘s not only scummy in itself but implies also rsoultin or Kelsier as teammates if Mocsta is. But that‘s associative so meh. Kelsier was intentionally avoiding answering my questions so I phrases in opposite direction Should be bleeding obvious comparing the sequence of posts I don't like this push br0 | ||
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I still.dont see how you misinterpreted to begin with..dont believe this is day1 worthy though | ||
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My last game here I think was with her and I was mafia and buddied her. Maybe she forgot? But I'm like surprised she has ignored all the chatter on me and tunneled sandroba Like I recall that game her being both super collaborative and also quite paranoid. I'm not seeing any of that this game. I don't believe sporadic activity is a satisfactory answer Rsoultin, what is your read on me ? I'm not claiming a meta read here as it's a one off experience.. | ||
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On June 08 2024 23:59 Vivax wrote: Tinfoil theory: It's rayn, Slam and marv because rayn and slam so far have had suspicions on marv when nobody else had and they want to annoy him with the soft busses. Slam doesn't suspect Marv? There's on quote from Rayn and it's about rsouktin/sandroba- which is strange.. almost read to me like a scumslip So nothing to do with marv | ||
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I misunderstood his rsoultin comment one post prior Marv position holds thiugh | ||
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He doesn't looked bullied out to me as his tone is pretty consistent start to finish I still think his tone specifically to me is more unhelpful mafia than town, however the nonchalantness is somewhat consistent even after which I am.imcreasingly.viewing as townie ... I really don't want to vote Scott for mason stuff Is there a case outside of that? .... Rsoultin I will give sandroba a read | ||
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Remind me too please. Why are you voting kelsier? | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: I want to know what sandroba identified as weird in kelsier filter I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today On June 08 2024 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: also I'm surprised here as majority seem to view kelsier as town from thatwait how do you get town vibes from Kelsier in his Mocsta interaction? | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:18 Vivax wrote: the less he does is closer to a policy lynch to meI think the opposite the less Kelsier does the more I want to lynch him. Feels like a weird defense here if you don‘t have a particularly strong conviction outside of that. I will do it if no better candidates. I'm seeking to identify a better csndidate | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:46 scott31337 wrote: that was an unexpected lurkIf you do this, He's going to want to lynch me and I'll flip town. Only if you lynch him D2 is this a suitable outcome. Are you up to date with thread? | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:51 Vivax wrote: I was filter diving. You actuallyThere‘s people I think are around but just choosing not to post. Mocsta and him would be my guess. I‘m moving to Kelsier. He doesn‘t appear motivated anyway. Im not going to be around at deadline so going to have to lock in a vote in next 30min or so sigh I'm somewhat down for a sandroba shenanigan but I'm concerned if numbers aren't sufficient it will be easy for mafia to control majority | ||
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On June 09 2024 07:54 scott31337 wrote: cool coolBut to answer your question, yes I am. So kelsi3r is your number #1 scumread because of filter + lack.of activity? Is az #2 because of this push on you? What do you make of Marv agreeing with said push? Have updated your oats read? | ||
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I will say. The posts between az/Marv/oats/me that I took as super collaborative.. maybe 10pages ago. Oats was not really on sync for me in that grouping But.. i did not think he was a scum read before hand either In short. I'm.not open to reviewing or lynching oats today especially over shenanigans!sandroba or inactive!kelsi3r I could also shenanigans rayn but if town I would legit feel bad so dunno if the gamble.is worthwhile | ||
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Is this for Scott or are you shitting up the thread? | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:05 Mocsta wrote: cool cool So kelsi3r is your number #1 scumread because of filter + lack.of activity? Is az #2 because of this push on you? What do you make of Marv agreeing with said push? Have updated your oats read? Hi Scott chasing your feedback pls | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:35 AlphaZero wrote: i am warming up to thisThis is still relevant. His scum reads have no foundation and he can’t really explain how they formed. That is objectively a mafia trait. like i have struggled every single time i have read this post below On June 08 2024 08:29 scott31337 wrote: I've read the thread but I've had a long day at work as well, so am a bit tired. I searched my name in Alpha's filter - 20 times at the moment And if you have been paying attention - keeps calling me scummy. I search for Vivax - 20 hours ago The rest is quotes from Vivax or others saying his name. A post an hour ago Vivax I think is not consistently giving me good reasons to town read him And now he votes for him. But AZ has been calling me scummy all game so far. Seems suspicious to me. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing?What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing. Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote: salient notionat the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around alphazero - where does that sit with you? | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:58 AlphaZero wrote: Unless you think me and Marv are mafia or the mafia is afk while their buddy gets lynched. Mafia are voting for Kelsier here almost certainly. or not voting at all ;pOn June 09 2024 08:55 Grackaroni wrote: Not Voting (3): Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Kelsi3r | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds.Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott? | ||
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when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town. my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me. now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:30 rsoultin wrote: i am saying scott has a level of trust in me, which means that the mocsta/az interaction going from scum-scum to something else *should* be a meaningful point of discoveryi'm confused are you saying that your read on az should make scott read az town if he's town? yet its not even captured as a point of note, as scott continues go back-forth with az its not even mentioned until prompted by me (timestamps could make it coincidental i guess) tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:29 scott31337 wrote: i can accept not pushing az agenda.. this is similar dilemma i was in 24hrs ago.AZ is not the lynch today unless everyone expands their mind. So forgive me for not spending the energy nested into such. But he's my #2 still - so help me out - maybe I missed a point of yours. my concern is that you have provided up to date summary reads, which have included AZ, and in that process, ignored my interaction with AZ. you have paid enough attention to me in your filter, that i would have expected that you have caught your attention and meant something, whether to AZ or even me. | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:40 rsoultin wrote: i think he should be concerned that his biggest advocate me, shifted my read on azlike i get getting squirrely when one wagon has way more traction than another i'm just not koshi. or is it vivax? who by the length of a wagon alone that must mean something especially on d1 when scum's largely outnumbered certainly not when i'm townreading the other wagon i could be wrong on scott and i'm trying to keep an open mind on that, genuinely. the reads not changing much thing is legit it's honestly the only argument i've seen on him that i think is decent (sorry) idk tho which read of his do you think should have changed from a town perspective? so even though he is suspicious of kelsier, az and ?vivax?, maybe ?sandroba? the answer to this question is a re-evaluation of both me and az... both are lacking | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote: pay attention to this summary post.. in his world view:idk i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative to not reconsider the person pushing their lynch when others townread them, at least not in a vacuum, unless you have reason to believe that scott in particular would do this as town and not scum? 1. i am town 2. kelsier scum read has relation to me 3. sandroba scum read has extesion to kelsier which extends to me 4. az scum read has relation to me 5. other scum reads are policy: no activity in short. i matter so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. On June 08 2024 01:04 scott31337 wrote: My memory isn't the best - but it was more flagging the post then "Scott is mafia with red flags." Wouldn't lynch order [..] Mocsta - I see him as town searching around - he seems to have an accurate read on me. [..] Could lynch order: Kelsi3r - His back and forths with Mocsta was pretty bad when Mocsta seemed genuine to me. Alakaslam - nothing of value contributed die_meatbaby - not enough info sandroba - Stayed on the Mason bandwagon after reading the thread - read of Kelsi3r and others seem bad AlphaZero - I don't think this is HF. Maybe DP? But seems to be a experienced player shitting up the thread. Hinted at me then went after Mocsta So I'm unvoting Trfel and voting for Kelsi3r. to re-inforce: who else does he ask this to? answer no one.. i matter in his world view On June 08 2024 08:32 scott31337 wrote: Who do you want to lynch today Mocsta? | ||
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On June 09 2024 09:55 rsoultin wrote: thats fine.. although im not aware of any one that has a static readi see what you're getting at. i also am townreading az after waffling on him and also have been vocal about not lynching scott. i just dk maybe i'm hard scum-aligning here but i think static reads in general is more concerning than not re-evaluating you or az based on your townread of him specifically inactives dont count?? | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:06 scott31337 wrote: noted, will do my best to oblige moving forwardI don't mean to nitpick but don't use "he" "she" - use the persons name because it's more difficult at this time and in filters you see who you are speaking about btw, i have decided to settle on ##unvote: ##vote: scott31337 nothing to do with this post FYI, although it struck me as odd that for all the stuff i have said about you past couple pages this is what was raised.. maybe, just maybe you didnt realise it was you because of the "he" | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:19 rsoultin wrote: i still psoitively read you (todays chats were shifting a bit more towards that collaboration i recall you with), just disappointed. with a bit more time i reckon we would have settled on scott okay baby's up gdit okay i still want a sandy lynch guys i don't like not having time to reevaluate scott before the lynch but i'll go back to kels and switch to sandy if y'all go on him while i'm feeding the baby and get back in time i gtg now | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:22 marvellosity wrote: yeah but can lynch kelsi3r without you switching wagons?? I’m not in the best shape but: We need a flip I’m really frustrated with: slam, rayn, sand, kelsier (DMB) That’s a lot of players in a 13p game to not be playing in second half of d1. Very disappointing. Don’t join games if you can’t give some effort. I don’t wanna lynch sand for reasons people know but the absence is deeply, deeply annoying. Tempting to just lynch kelsier to get rid of the trash but it’s deeply unsatisfying. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:40 Vivax wrote: hes triedCase in point Az should be here pushing the hell out of scott given the opportunity. i genuinely dont think thats a fair assessment. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:47 Vivax wrote: i mean sure, although, what separates him from a deflated/dejected townie that has given up for buy-in - that happens to everyone at some point?Someone who wants the counterwagon lynched doesn‘t just point out superficially scummy things from someone who isn‘t the CW talking about someone else who isn‘t the CE while not wanting any of them lynched when his main priority should be the CW. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:48 Vivax wrote: i think this is the pressing concern and i have considered tooEspecially if they act like they have experience in leadership and know how to be assertive to achieve the outcome they want to see. People like that don‘t get distracted. is AlphaZero filter consistent if you remove the start with the red flags? at this point i find that entrance to be an anomaly. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote: not being a dick. i find it unlikely.I am sure I could get this lynch done on my main with full effort. But I’m not in the position to do that. half the problem is that half the game is afk if full town was here, yeah, agree | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:54 scott31337 wrote: talk to me about it?But I'm here and I think the reason from changing with me was a little weak. | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:56 scott31337 wrote: i have a series of posts over the past couple pages progressing my read on you.. marv commented on one recentlyJust telling you how to (if you are town) to input your filters to add quotes and be more specific. I know you mentioned it was more than such, but I thought we had a decent vibe D1 and it felt like a sudden cutoff for me speaking of how to play the game. how you appear to have glazed over i have no idea - its nothing to do with add names to posts. | ||
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On June 09 2024 11:35 scott31337 wrote: fck az.. i dont understand why you are glazing over my posts that led to a vote swap?I just feel this is marv town thinking or we're screwed. This is the marv posting we need in daytime. Which sucks Keis flipped town now AZ is going to be on me more that I'm mafia. Just think realistically. | ||
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can you please respond to the following which is why i voted you maybe you were looking for mosata and didnt see? ;P #1 = Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 08:45 Vivax wrote: What I like about scott is that he seemed pretty genuine as of late. He isn‘t really trying every trick in the book to keep himself afloat just doing his thing. Kelsier might have given up as either alignment. On June 09 2024 08:47 Mocsta wrote: town can also not want to be mislynched.. is this 'effort'notion a scott meta thing? On June 09 2024 08:58 rsoultin wrote:at the risk of answering for viva if scum's gonna keep posting they want to either 1) try to get the lynch off them 2) shit up the thread or they just roll over i guess there's the third option of trying to get more attention so it's off a scummate if you've got two scum up for lynch? i wouldn't say that's what scott's posting looks like. guy's been scumread from minute 1 and still is just bebopping around On June 09 2024 08:59 Mocsta wrote: salient notion alphazero - where does that sit with you? On June 09 2024 09:04 AlphaZero wrote: Well he is trying to survive, to me he just continues to exhibit the traits that o find scummy and I outlined above. Says things and can’t provide foundations or reasoning that can really be taken seriously. We can even contrast that with your own play, you have looked substantially more town aligned the more you interacted and explained thought processes and your reads have changed and grown as that has happened. Scott’s reads haven’t changed and he hasn’t looked any better. That is classic mafia trait imo. On June 09 2024 09:12 Mocsta wrote: i buy into this... there is an effort to convey he is up to date, and sufficiently active; yet this outcome in bold still holds. rsoultin or anyone else.. would you agree that reads are mostly the same throughout entire d1 for scott? #2 = so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 09:18 Mocsta wrote: one underlying issue i have with scott is that when he was getting heat and i backed him, he made some posts that soft buddied to me.. which i thought was completely reasonable if town. my issue therefore is that, as my read with AZ has shifted and evolved, hes not paid attention (publicly at least) to it.. no comments or impact on scotts AZ read is very weird to me. now scott says hes completely up to date, so its been read, and apparently not relevant - so again. i find this super super weird and struggling to identify how town would do that. On June 09 2024 09:45 Mocsta wrote: [..] tbc, i am not saying scott should townread az because i changed my read. im saying his relation to me should be significant to create a re-evaluation point, like wtf just happened. On June 09 2024 09:50 rsoultin wrote: idk i don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative to not reconsider the person pushing their lynch when others townread them, at least not in a vacuum, unless you have reason to believe that scott in particular would do this as town and not scum? On June 09 2024 10:01 Mocsta wrote: pay attention to this summary post.. in his world view: 1. i am town 2. kelsier scum read has relation to me 3. sandroba scum read has extesion to kelsier which extends to me 4. az scum read has relation to me 5. other scum reads are policy: no activity in short. i matter so my interaction with az/mocsta i believe should be significant to his world view - yet its not. to re-inforce: who else does he ask this to? answer no one.. i matter in his world view | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:13 Vivax wrote: help me out, im being dumb dumbThe flip doesn‘t automatically make Scott more scummy, if you were town in his situation you‘d understand why, so look at those who think so. the only reason i can see is this from marv https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=66#1302 like.. why cant mafia have wagoned kelsier to save scott equally? i get in marv of rsoultin, he is expecting the most likely answer is double-town wagon; yet, why cannot it not be an effort to save scott equally? | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:17 Vivax wrote: yep, but it works both ways? useful to mafia where town or mafia now..With the Kelsier flip and if he‘s town, Scott starts becoming useful to mafia. look, i get if a question mark, then chase the other 2. This i can get behind, as long as scott remains a question mark. | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:22 die_meatbaby wrote: because im going to jailkeep himOf course he is now usefull for mafia... still easy lynch material I am pretty sure we had t vs t lynch today. Thats a reason why he will not get nk tonight. But why do oats think that he wouldn´t get nk? | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote: i see which feeds into my ongoing concerns with how the kelsi3r train was buildingIt‘s beneficial to take sides as mafia here. Or maybe look undecided. They only have two buffets to choose from and don‘t have to be active so there‘s zero downside to being active, preferrably on the side of the one who‘s going to remain unflipped. Without accounting for players who are time constrained or just don‘t care enough. i dont want to blanket discard how d1 unfolded for you; heuristically for me, its really hard to not acknowledge the complexities of having 1/3 of town to barely post for the 24hrs before lynch. it makes it hard for me to then follow your interpretation. i am in agreement with the other post that there should be options outside of scott tomorrow though. | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote: mate was super closeSlam and rsoul were the last two votes on kel, didn’t realize it was that close literally if rsoul flipped, it would have been even wagon and a chance On June 09 2024 10:19 rsoultin wrote: okay baby's up gdit okay i still want a sandy lynch guys i don't like not having time to reevaluate scott before the lynch but i'll go back to kels and switch to sandy if y'all go on him while i'm feeding the baby and get back in time i gtg now On June 09 2024 10:22 Mocsta wrote: i still psoitively read you (todays chats were shifting a bit more towards that collaboration i recall you with), just disappointed. with a bit more time i reckon we would have settled on scott i'm onboard for pressure on koshi ASAP.. in tin-foil world where rsoul/scott are scum, then its going to be a mission to find third for tomorrow. | ||
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On June 09 2024 13:17 Koshi wrote: noice!That I am mafia with marv, mocsta and sandroba. hi koshi, been a while indeed | ||
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On June 09 2024 13:24 Trfel wrote: i have struggled with it too, and wont be lynching for information - yes i expect to be around d2If scott31337 is town, I guess I don't understand why this makes rsoultin/Koshi mafia? Imagine if the situation was reversed and we lynched scott31337 and (imagine) he flipped town, would this make AlphaZero mafia? I'm really not understanding this. objectively rsoultin was the swing vote. scott & rsoultin: the lack of bus * weird kelsier votes line up scott & rsoultin: nilburger scott & rsoultin: double-town wagon. no benefit to swinging scott & rsoultin: nilburger i settled on leaving scott as a qusetion-mark and focusing on other mafia leads | ||
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On June 09 2024 21:42 Trfel wrote: oh my dude.. I probably thought we saw the game so closest. *Shrug* both our positions could be trueMaybe Mocsta is mafia, definitely worth considering. I might not be scared enough of his scum play. I just have a soft spot for the way he posts tbh. It's hard to really figure out his alignment because we think so differently tbh. His willingness to switch reads and try different angles makes me think he is town, but I suppose he could fake that as mafia. Separately The stuff about could a town dmb be aware of tvt 1. From filter only reason I could imagine a kelsier vote is to sheep rsoultin whom dmb seems to town read. But vote is based on being a policy "inactiv" lunch when town read. Super scummy. 2. Why is vivax missing throughout filter whilst highlighted as critical focus at start 3. If Scott was scummy for setup talk, dmb is no different with a fair portion of filter focused on Scott history literally summarised as 'does small bs as town'; and other parts is az speculation 4. Dmb / rsoultin interactions to me.do.not look like mafia/mafia. Shame as koshi has been annoying and I'm liking dmb as mafia. | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote: I dont believe he was aroundHe is not really doing this beyond face value. He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that. The only active person was rsoultin who would not vote Scott iirc | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote: Dmb wouldn't vote ScottYou think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337? @AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it. It was literally in the post you last responded to me about I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy | ||
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On June 09 2024 22:57 Trfel wrote: I'm.certain we haveNot really a valid argument because I wouldn't really have changed my mind if I was around though. Side note, Mocsta, do you happen to remember if we've played together before? I think we played together once (and then apparently also End of the World Party Mafia but that doesn't really count), but I could be wrong. Probably similar outcome to this game. Town/town and you were fleeting in/out with me iirc | ||
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On June 09 2024 23:07 Trfel wrote: I think disregardThere's something very specific I remember. I was playing with someone for (I think) the first time we played together, and they were very impressed with my analysis, and then I sheeped rsoultin on a toneread of someone and the other person flipped out and instantly hard scumread me because they couldn't possibly imagine that the same person who could provide such detailed analysis would be swayed by a simple no-analysis tone read.Looks actually quite similar to the thought process displayed here, which is why I bring it up. If my memory is incorrect then please disregard  I may have confused you.with tictock.for synergy I went through my last set of games and we played together town/town in vendee mafia Some.of.the.dialogue is.fuckn on point to this game. Made me chuckle. It's literally you saying. I don't get what you mean but it's town. Lol | ||
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She's saying mafia!oats tunneled town!dmb as a weak/easy lunch It's clarified with rsoultin On June 08 2024 09:57 die_meatbaby wrote: No not at all. V already played a lot of mafia games on many different websides and some of that are really good. It´s just my thing that I am always try to read him first. And this was more like a general question to oats, because in his last game (mafia Oats) just posted kill dmb. vote dmb. scum dmb... and he came almost through with this bs on just hitting on the weak players, newbe or how ever you want to call me | ||
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As town can feel.obliged to say it when butthurt - which seems a legit possibility As scum.its really easy and beneficial to say it.too | ||
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On June 09 2024 23:27 Vivax wrote: are you satisfied with how dmb has progressed her read on you given you were her top.priority?Well that was cathartic | ||
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On June 09 2024 23:29 Trfel wrote: Unless I'm misunderstanding Oatsmaster that doesn't contradict what he is saying?Like if you take marvellosity's view here to be true, I could see it making sense, where die_meatbaby is so focused on not going for easy lynches that she's willing to go out of her way to warn someone not to do that, even if them doing so would actually benefit her. If that makes sense? It doesn't because she votes kelsier for being inactive which is a policy lynch of someone she thinks is town... Where is town motivation in that? She had a scum read on az.. coulda just parked a vote there I mean as tvt , her vote is pointless regardless | ||
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On June 10 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote: you should hate itAz, scott mocsta Maybe but big maybe sandro In that order. And I hate that I have to put Mocsta in there | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:00 Koshi wrote: Definitely not scum togetherSandro, Slam, Mocsta (AZ instead of Mocsta but only because so many of you say it, they are not mafia together) Like can you at least read my end of day1 filter if you are going to keep this up Yes where I transition to my former townread and your current townread scott | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:36 scott31337 wrote: sorry I was being selfishSo do you think none of them are mafia? Obviously you aren't going to include yourself, I get that. I meant az and me I gotta break out of this habit! Thanks for the follow up | ||
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On June 10 2024 07:26 Koshi wrote: yeah yeah all this is a setup to say I'm playing very bad when townMocsta is playing very well if mafia. My initial ping was that I read too many posts from him that didnt help me solve the game. And after reading his filter I didnt change my mind. If I would pnly fead Mocsta his filter I would probably have a very bad grasp on this game. Way worse than for example scott his filter. Hopefully see you on d2 | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:05 Vivax wrote: mate you have been a town read for me probably from around the tail end of d1 when we were the only actives with rsoultin collaborating on the lynch.If Koshi dies and you‘re mafia you win an Oscar for that last part What's changed? I mean you said something about wanting to vote out Scott, yet I agreed with you Scott is not a good choice d2?? Have you missed that? I think rayn asked who I think is mafia which is lazy I have intentionally dropped my post count and what I do have points to dmb | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:23 Oatsmaster wrote: 👍 I really don’t like this post tbh, he comes back to the thread and just randomly quips this when a million other things have substantially happened I don't care if people want to call me scum It's the pairing of me and az or me and marv that's ridiculous Haven't posted on other substantial stuff because as you have pointed out, it's substantial You are doing the same thing btw but I still love ya | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote: nah have read thread it's too overwhelming to draw insightsAs far as I can see your priority is checking out who‘s calling you scum right now. Not an issue unless it‘s the only priority you have Want to sheep day2 So limited a couple posts to my town reads commenting ridiculous stuff . Intent was to help them. Backfired it appears? | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:44 AlphaZero wrote: If you flipped scum.it would be like the great hood wink.. shoulda coulda wouldaThere are several people calling me mafia, or at least alluding to it and they haven’t posted one tangible reason why that read exists. It’s fucking annoying. Your scum hunting insight is consistent to me But your communication delivery is inconsistent and falls into almost polite demanding at times - something I would like to be better at in real life btw. So kudos to you I am guessing that is leading people to be wary of the if you flipped scum thing Either that or mafia agenda to discredit obviously | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:46 scott31337 wrote: hi Scott is this intended for me. Like I am not sure how to respond as I was talking about other people?Trfel I tabbed your post to me on the case - I'll get to it here in a bit. Mocsta - I ask people who they believe are mafia all the time - it's not lazy - it's to get people to make decisions. Town usually does not have an issue with this - it forces mafia less outs though among other reasons. | ||
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On June 10 2024 08:49 AlphaZero wrote: toneWhat’s inconsistent about my communication particularly? There's an anger/frustration that comes out that makes you feel like being back at school lol Part of why I found you scummy originally But I can understand in your smurf situation this being the case too | ||
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Even if you want to consider me mafia Surely I could not be the first mafia candidate to be launched Qed. Pointless | ||
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Youre not on my radar. Surely I'm not at the top of yours Let's see how day2 goes please | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I can't retract itYou can always retract your statement. I’m also waiting for your thoughts on the significant stuff you missed I'm town so looks garbage to me You won't get the thoughts on significant stuff I have accepted being a sheep this cycle So will review wagon cases. Just need to wait | ||
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On June 10 2024 10:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta why did you leave lmao I'm at work. Not even meant to be on lol When I woke to like 30pages over 6hrs of sleep I knew today was going to be rough! | ||
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On June 10 2024 11:08 die_meatbaby wrote: I don´t understand mafia here right now. If somebody claims blue... why do they not kill mocstar. Marv is always strong Town. But mafia shouldn´t be that scared of him on the n1 So you could post this What's your read on vivax btw? Sry if you posted it overnight I don't recall an update since early game | ||
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On June 10 2024 12:30 Trfel wrote: look I canHey Mocsta, can you talk to me for a bit? I feel like I'm going insane and need help to not do that >< It's going to be review the case though right? That's something will have to wait till I'm back from work | ||
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On June 10 2024 12:38 Vivax wrote: nahWe have the marv flip. Trfel suddenly pushing mislynches and ignoring the NK and generally not looking very believable. AZ sitting around like some kung fu master sorting people into japanese fighting game tiers. Oats being Oats. Marv flip doesn't count for team combos | ||
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On June 10 2024 12:48 Vivax wrote: This made me raise my eyebrowsI disagree. It tells you who was actually leading vs who was just pretending. Help me understand. Lead what? | ||
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On June 10 2024 12:45 Trfel wrote: I feel ya and see that tilt play outI'm actually getting incredibly tilted, I'm looking at things and trying to figure things out and posting my thoughts, but pretty much everything I say is either ignored, disagreed with for no reason, or disagreed with for blatantly illogical reasons. It's frustrating the heck out of me, and I have no idea how to get past it. Maybe I could lynch the people who are acting like this, but it's a lot of people and they may not be mafia? So that's not a good method at all. Maybe I could take a break, but I don't think things will be any different when I return. I really really rely on having a sounding board, like someone to check my sanity, but if my "sounding board" says I'm insane, without reason, every time, then it's pretty counterproductive. I'm trying to simplify my suspicions into concise arguments, can you help me figure out which of these (if any) make sense? My view is that if the reasons are legit, I should be able to state them very simply. die_meatbaby: seemingly no drive to solve the game or contribute, constantly hiding behind excuses Alakaslam: said marvellosity is mafia but then later said he is town, said scott31337 is mafia, and that's literally it (for clarity, the reason is that he isn't drawing conclusions about the game) raynpelikoneet: seems to want to talk but doesn't want to figure anything out sandroba: lack of activity/involvement I'll even not talk about Vivax for now, can't put it concisely enough. Step back is my suggestion cos town culture has been set and you are seeking more than it seems willing to give. It may not change but you may be less frustrated. I'm not going to be offer more than that right now sorry dude I am wondering if this town ignore environment started with mafia or town. I'm guessing town because it spans to too many player. So it piques my interest whom is perpetuating it unnecessarily (e.g. association flips) | ||
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Last post greater than 48hrs ago. On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: xxxx | ||
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On June 10 2024 13:01 Trfel wrote: can we ditch the cases for a secondMaybe the reduced posting style is better after all. Maybe it makes people more willing to read your posts and take you seriously if you aren't posting so darn much. what do you view as the significant puzzle pieces in this game? im asking as that may unlock what is holding back town from uniting. e.g. sandroba is a puzzle piece with a lot of push-pull tension scott is another controversial push-pull are there other parts of the game like this? | ||
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On June 10 2024 13:12 Trfel wrote: ok, do we need a scott flip to draw out conclusions?I think scott31337 has (by existing) caused the most division, and it's not close. what is likely to be the case if town, or scum? this would hard confirm az yeah? what about the shitpile of reads? what firms up? to me this is different exploration than association team spits. | ||
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On June 10 2024 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote: nah im really glazed over with info overwhelmNot yet. You gonna give some real thoughts anytime soon? my committment is to later read the trfel vivax + rayn posts very seriously https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906 https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=110#2191 going for real now | ||
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On June 10 2024 16:27 Koshi wrote: yeah i know that pain.. Just checking in to let you know I am at work, I can only phonepost because TL is flagged as a gaming site, and because I don't want to play on my phone while working, I wont be doing anything today. Tomorrow I work from home. But the game feels like a clusterfuck atm. marv died. Last time I sheeped 2-3 dead people and they were superwrong. Bexause it is marv I will do it once more but not fanatically. Will need to reread his filter first. possibly one of the more key posts in marv filter https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=96#1906 im yet to analyse the case yet clusterfuck indeed | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:58 Trfel wrote: wow this is great. Love the pick up about appeal to majority consensus as well. Very scummy yet didn't register to me in when reading in the momentVivax Vivax seemed to scumread both scott31337 and Kelsi3r. He spent much of his day 1 trying to figure out which was the better lynch (while suspecting both). See these posts (for example) about his increasing desire to lynch Kelsi3r:Then Vivax has this reason to vote for scott31337:And then this?He sounds so sad about lynching Kelsi3r, who he was very content to lynch for much of the day, and was getting increasingly happy to lynch until scott31337 did something that stuck out to him as especially scummy. This doesn't add up from the town perspective, Vivax ought to be at least content with a Kelsi3r lynch. Then, Vivax has a series of posts after the deadline about scott31337 being town:Which makes absolutely no sense given that he still strongly believes that scott31337 is mafia. How is not lynching scott31337, who is mafia, a bad thing? That's absolutely a bad thing! Vivax was seemingly frustrated that he had to settle for the Kelsi3r lynch instead of lynching scott31337, why is he suddenly accepting the "majority-decided" verdict of keeping scott31337 alive and why is that a reason to focus on other people instead? It's not that what Vivax is saying is wrong necessarily, or in other words, it's completely fine to have alternative lynch options to scott31337. But from the perspective of someone who thinks scott31337 is mafia, and just missed out on lynching him, why is his focus on finding other people to focus on (besides scott31337) and what it means if scott31337 is town? Why isn't his focus on scott31337 being mafia? If Vivax was no longer scumreading scott31337 then this makes sense, but that isn't the case at all:The end result is that Vivax is very suspicious. There hasn't been the normal insightful thinking or tinfoil, he seemed very happy with the two wagons day 1 (scott31337 and Kelsi3r), despite the odds of both being mafia being quite low. I would have thought this was even more suspicious for someone with paranoia like Vivax, but instead he seems quite content with the gamestate. Took me like 3-4 blocks to go through this because of all the quotes. I will probably clean this up for you a bit later today so reads cleaner ##vote:vivax | ||
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On June 10 2024 18:47 AlphaZero wrote: I'm.hoping for the modkill.tbhSabdro too. He is probably the smartest lynch if we play the percentages. | ||
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On June 10 2024 19:21 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure scott is 100% town. No way he puts marv in black before shooting him. In addition to everything I said about him and marv townreading him That's a good point too | ||
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On June 10 2024 19:37 Koshi wrote: marv was the more obvious nk. But not going to theorycraft too much on it. Maybe jailkeeper did an aggressive block. Or roleblock - no noti | ||
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On June 10 2024 20:02 Trfel wrote: fair enoughIn all honesty I don't even get how this could possibly mean anything about scott31337? For example, I know I've dropped an end of night case on the person I was shooting before. Why would scott31337 not null-read marvellosity as mafia? Truly confused. @Mocsta, I don't ever think lynching for info is worth it tbh. I think we'd gain a lot less clarity than expected. I can't recall a time I have seen someone burn effort like that I guess koshi point is that scum would more likely polarised by calling marv scum It's the null territory that's unusual At least how I understood it | ||
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On June 10 2024 20:52 AlphaZero wrote: Who is Alan?I’m worried I’m tunnelled so I’m going to take a step back. I want to spend some time reviewing things when I get a chance. Not sure when that will be. I would probably lynch him if I had my way because then I am either visited or I can move on and clear my mind a bit. I’m trying to do that anyway as basically everyone except Alan and vivax are not interested in lynching him and that’s not great company to keep. I’d be interested In a Sandro, dmb or Rayn lynch right now. But I’m backing your play here and seeing how things develop | ||
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On June 10 2024 22:02 sandroba wrote: I appreciate you chose to prioritise the other wagon although I don't support the town read from that first post.I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: This kind of attempt to collaborate and negotiate comes from a townie mindset, extending an olive branch and hoping the other person is not mafia. This comes off as genuine and I believe it's hard to fake, especially having no reason to believe knowing people will pick on this as a town indicator. This type of night post usually comes from townies as well - of course mafia can fake something like this but when they do it normally comes off unnatural and either too low or too high effort. This one hits right to me and seems genuine. I'm willing to go and say I feel scott is very likely townie and I'm hoping there is obvious mafia that we can focus on today instead. Firstly the olive branch approach is influence technique. All alignments need to influence.and is null in itself. Scott.is a wagon candidate so I don't agree employing this discerns town over scum. is not a townie trait . Secondly, contextually rsoultin was responding to me being wary of Scott because scott didn't talk to me about my changing read on AZ - relevant because scott wants to lynch per the post you shared and Scott was buddied to me at that time. If anything that approach you refer to should have come.to me if Scott was town. No I'm not butthurt. Regarding the second post, I don't see what you are valuing to assign it as genuine or the right level of detail.. I mean the marv null read is purely association to az. My curiosity is why you ignored Scott's case of AZ in this analysis? After all, az.is his top top scim.read and should represent his most genuine effort in the entire.filter no? Note I didn't say accurate, just genuine. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=104#2076 | ||
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On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote: I understand the pain and am amazed you can draw /connect with that intuition in a communicable way.I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. I sto continue to disagree about the first post being a town tell but it's ok and not relevant for now. Carry on with the read and we see where it goes It would be great for your intuition on Scott's case of AZ too | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:43 sandroba wrote: I'm getting weird vibes from kelsier too, but it's not overriding my town read from the mocsta interaction. I'd say I'd prefer if we left him be for today | ||
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On June 10 2024 23:20 Mocsta wrote: Hi sandroba.. what were you referring to here? Sorry to clarify What is the weird vibe from kelsier | ||
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On June 10 2024 23:24 Oatsmaster wrote: az is town. The case is wrong by defaultThe question is yes/no + why lmao. Why don’t you wanna answer it What's your point? | ||
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On June 10 2024 23:22 Mocsta wrote: Oats. Will you be joining the vivax wagon? Oi Don't cock block my question to sandroba and then fuck off without answering mine Love you too | ||
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I cant stop thinking about rsoultin 'bebop' comment on Scott It's really apt and I still see him approach like this. I know you prefer cold analysis which I don't have in my wheelhouse, I'm starting to see the game as him not being scum More an fyi and perhaps a discussion point for others too? | ||
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Light hearted .. sort of I'm not getting the joviality I remember you with Yeah 6years is a long time I know. Mortgage taxes relationships get in the way and harden us all up Yet beneath the surface the joy I don't see Anyhow on my wagon list you were my lowest consideration so gfy | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's also very nice none of the people who are calling me scum cannot actually tell why i am scum. Is that not symptomatic of scum well played? | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:11 Trfel wrote: this is about Scott right?Sorry I don't really have much to say. I think the arguments are out there and I can't really say anything more to add, they're about as strong as they can be. Just waiting for something to happen I guess. And taking potshots at Koshi or raynpelikoneet as opportunities present. | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote: like even then, I'm not filled with that laughter I get from a town koshi, even when being an absolute dick, there is a charm to get away with ii.. I don't see it hereHey. I am willing to lynch you as last. That must count for something? | ||
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On June 11 2024 07:39 Koshi wrote: ftfy I am sad I am not entertaining my (only) fans. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:12 AlphaZero wrote: coolIm dropping scott for now, I think its pretty clear that I am missing something, because all my big town reads think he is town. (trfel/marv) I like oats as mafia if im being really open and honest. he seems to be flying under the radar a bit too much Scott is looking better to me. Glad there is alignment there to not focus today on Scott. I still like the vivax lynch and there does appear to be resistance today from the bottom end of the group which to me is much different build up to kelsier. I will vote rayn if there is enough for majority Oats. I'm still giving a town pass today although he is progressively coming across to me as shitting the thread. I want to give benefit of the doubt he's as lost as me and is equally a provocative style player. | ||
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On June 11 2024 09:55 Grackaroni wrote: hmmmm stinky wagon build upDay Two Vote Count sandroba (5); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (3): Trfel, sandroba, AlphaZero Vivax (2): Koshi (1): Vivax, scott31337 (0): With 5 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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On June 11 2024 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote: vivax is on koshi, so i am struggling to follow your assertion regarding DMB wagon?From your recent posts you think vivax is your top scum read and me and Scott are townreads, why would you say that it’s a stinky wagon on Sandro when you want to vote for the dmb wagon your top scum read is on mocsta? | ||
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i mean if you wanna be up my ass for being indifferent between vivax, rayn, koshi, dmb, slam etc then do it. i feel its all a crapshoot and strongest and weakest reads are not separated by much. the most certainty i currently "feel" is: 1) Koshi vibe is not exhuberent and im not picking up that BD energy he excudes. I don't like.. enough to overule my rsoultin read 2) Rayn posting is opportunistic... timing, interests.. hes riding just the right level of memorable to not be forgotten as a player, yet drive anything i find to be meaningful given my town reads are notsupporting vivax i will drop that vote for koshi / rayn.. dmb feels more crapshooty to me thats where i am at dude | ||
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On June 11 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote: GFY . like if you are trying to convince me, then lose the condescending remarksRayns Sandro push is more meaningful than anything you’ve done this game. Otherwise the rest of that statement is pure waffle I don’t understand the rest of this post. You think that there’s no scummiest person, there’s like 5 murky people? Dmb feels more crapshooty to you than who? if you are trying to scum read me, then i dont know what to say to you. i read my filter last night to get a sense of what peoples issues are and i have no idea. i was left with smiles so in short: GFY | ||
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please help me understand your worldview is rayns action to kick off sandro "as meaningful in the game" if sandro is town? | ||
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On June 11 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote: no i did not say that. i said hes not driven anything meaningful to me.Yes? Meaningful doesn’t have to be scum or town. You are the one trying to say that being not meaningful is a scum trait, I’m just pointing out that you have to include yourself in that then if you are completely honest whether right or wrong, the posts i have internalised to drive town and scum reads. rayn is few and far between. maybe thats diferent for you, however thats my world. in that context, yes, thats scummy. is it not for you? | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote: no, instead im saying that his interactions with people have not led me to read those people as town/scum. so i find his filter meaningless and not seeking to solve the gameOkay so you are saying that rayn hasn’t posted things that either give you town vibes or scum vibes from him. Therefore it’s scummy to not be scummy? That’s my understanding from what you are saying. Please clarify if I’m misunderstanding your meaning i.e. hes not asking questions to others, that help me to discern *THEIR* alignment | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote: is this to me or trfel?Not that I’ve heard anyone play that way but you seem to think Sandro is town based on Rayns posts so that’s not even consistent? i dont know where i sit with sandroba.. i had a question that was important to me to discern alignment (re: genuinity of scotts case on az) which you cockblocked instantly. i concede it wasnt guaranteed for sandroba to respond to it though | ||
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On June 11 2024 13:32 Trfel wrote: i know we you have explained your reads here more than i, yet this does capture the essence of how i see/feel/internalise the game.I don't know for sure if raynpelikoneet and Koshi are mafia together, I don't like to work with unflipped associations. But there are plenty of reasons to scumread them individually, and I see no reason they couldn't be mafia together. Raynpelikoneet has been extremely illogical and useless. He's been discussing a ton but not showing any insight, critical thinking, or desire to solve the game. His town play is quite strong, this clearly isn't it. Other than sheer post count, I can't think of a redeeming quality in his play. Koshi has been solid at times, but I think he really gave himself up in the confusion over the Vivax lynch and then not lynching Vivax. He's just said enough things that make no sense. I guess maybe this makes me more confident in raynpelikoneet being mafia, but I still think Koshi definitely could be mafia. in my world we have said the same thing lol.. woe is me | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:29 Oatsmaster wrote: dude.. you are doing the same thingLike what is this absurd play where you just think that only people who agree with you are playing the game correctly this is all TvT, need faith i get you dont want to listen to me, im in your bottom half and its ok like.. mafia do not have to do anything right now.. the people here actually care.. we not just talking shit for the sake of it thats town br0 | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:42 Oatsmaster wrote: well you treat your town reads remarkedly different, so your actions convey this.How am I calling the people I think are town not playing the game the right way? | ||
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On June 11 2024 14:46 Trfel wrote: stopMaybe try reading a little? Just a little? I'm actually serious, if we are able to lynch scott31337 here and keep sandroba alive, I think that's absolutely worth doing. breathe and calm down stick with Rayn vote, and let it snowball theres only 3 active posters, so its ok to be 2 of 3 on rayn for now. oats may come around once rayn or others react.. i get we need oats on this wagon. | ||
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Slam is likely afk on Vivax, so need to assume this is a 10player vote, 7t, 3m (due to out-in-open afk request) Majority is 6,4 or as sandroba would be first to 5 can only afford 1 townie to vote with scum if 3m on a wagon; which seems impossible with oats having an impasse with sandroba. this really feels like day 5 on a day 2 its true. this is deflating and feels over trfel | ||
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On June 11 2024 15:24 Oatsmaster wrote: thank you oatsOkay let me reset because clearly this isn’t the way that any game should go. I apologize for any of the posts I’ve made that are inflammatory and not relevant to the game/solving mafia. I totally understand if your experience hasn’t been good and I am sorry about that. Going forward I just want to have fun and enjoy playing mafia and I hope to foster an environment that it will be possible to have fun, win or lose im really confident to the death that this group of actives (oats, trfel, az, mocsta) are town. we need 2 more for the vote outside of slam. its up to scott to prove himself as im really hoping hes the 5th then for the 6th someone of sandroba/vivax/dmb.. of which i am most town on sandroba (i listed this group as is to align with oats concerns with sandroba) | ||
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On June 11 2024 15:47 Koshi wrote: what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle?Unreal. Ok so mafia is split up. rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2 Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2 Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1 Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend. It is obvious Tfrel is town It is obvious Scott is town It is obvious Oats is town Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure. | ||
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On June 11 2024 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote: you're only saying this because sandroba could be a lynch majorityHere’s my current situation. I think Sandro is the scummiest person in the game currently. I’m not interested in the construction of the wagons on d2. To get me to vote for someone that isn’t Sandro, you have to convince me that the person is scummier than Sandro. Not any other way. if someone like scott comes off and its a tie breaker you are in a dilemma. | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:08 Koshi wrote: there's that bd energy. Go youI almost never type in all caps THANK YOU OATSMASTER FOR EXPLAINIKG EXACTLY WHERE I AM IN THIS GAME IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL WAY. AZ, Tfrel and Mocsta should reread or really consider that conversation as a goldmine inside my view on this game. He is almost exactly at the place I am. People around me wondering why I'm laughing out loud! | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:38 AlphaZero wrote: Stay on rayn pleaseI think rayn is a better lynch than DMB even. I'm really enjoying how this is creating some.push pull tension. Need more votes to bring out the rest of town Game is finally on! | ||
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On June 11 2024 16:38 Trfel wrote: Dude. Remove yourself from the echo chamber.@raynpelilkoneet: I'm sorry for upsetting you. That was not my intention. I'm just trying to understand your case, and right now I am struggling to do so. If you'd like to discuss this further, please feel free to explain where I am misunderstanding you, and I will do my best to listen. Otherwise, I am fine to agree to disagree. I'm not trying to misrepresent you, just to get a clear idea of what you are saying. Step away have a wank and enjoy the hardwork put in to date Sometimes town just needs to have faith and trust the process There are some.tone/behavioural shifts emerging. A sense of urgency finally coming out. That means better reads and insights Let it play and the come back to tell us all about it | ||
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Gtfo Can't remember koshi How did you go from mocsta as scum on n1 to choosing dmb over rayn over mocsta | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:03 Koshi wrote: I need more specificity pleaseHe was. Very briefly. But that's ok. I am also rude at times. N1 was first hour of the day for me. But I had you as mafia because I thought you were pushing a specific narrative in the thread. I thought you were not trying to solve the game as a whole. Just limiting yourself to a specific part. But I had doubts if I was correct on you. The Vivax excursion left me angry and I came back to what I originally thought. I drew a line before going to bed between the two camps. And the talk you guys had with Oatsmaster made me see that I was wrong and that there is a strong core in your side of town. Now we are here. Your camp has a strong towncore, I have Oats and Scott. The solution is dmb/sandroba and 1 more. What narrative are you talking about? As in what precisely stood out above all else, and why was that scummy to focus on given that as you said there was only one hour of gameplay notched on your belt. | ||
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Stop biting Im.sorry to say. It's adding noise Move on. Have a tug..come back and analyse what comes out of this Please | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:09 Mocsta wrote: trfel sorryTravel Stop biting Im.sorry to say. It's adding noise Move on. Have a tug..come back and analyse what comes out of this Please | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:07 Koshi wrote: Thank youI think there is max 1 mafia in Vivax, Tfrel, Mocsta and Tfrel. Potentially 0. So if you 4 want rayn, and rayn does not want to come to me and talk to me, I can vote him. You are welcome to come again any time | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote: yeah ok. That's acceptableNot really useful for me to go back to that. I think I wrote it down and marv agreed. Something about your filter being disconnecred from the game. I read your filter and I think scotts filter close to each other and your filter was less informative about how the game played out. Something like that. It's how I tried to catch up I just need the rayn vote for now Will check the marv thing in future if necessary | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:12 Trfel wrote: kiss and made up. How lovely.Okay, that's fair. I apologize. It was a culmination of frustrations of being asked things I've just said. I know it's natural for people to miss things, I miss things all the time, I just feel like it's been happening a lot this game, almost deliberately, to be obnoxious. You should vote whoever you think is most likely to flip mafia. I could be wrong. I'm trying to re-evaluate sandroba right now. Revaluate as you need just stay on rayn whilst doing it please. | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no need for any deceit. There is only need for not to vote for sandroba. Mocsta didn't do shit all, and when people started talking about lynching me he just rolled with it. AZ became dumb after being smart on D1. Trfel and Vivax are town. Idk what Vivax actually is doing and Trfel is just too tunneled to objectively look at any argument at all in the game, so he is lost cause. So you're arguing there was 4-5mafia? I dunno who the 5th is that koshi talks of | ||
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Koshi asked a yes/no question and I saw waffles Stupid, mofo waffles | ||
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Rayn answered neither Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe. Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely. Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way. This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset. | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:58 Trfel wrote: dude.. I'm crying hereThe thing is, I'm not sold on sandroba being town. I don't get much of an impression either way from his posts. But there is a distinct lack of them. I'm...... going to vote for sandroba actually. Are you serious about following koshi and rayn, your scum reads on sandroba. This town can't give.yoj the external validation you are craving. Can you at least stay on rayn till we get more feedback from rest of town.. it's coming.. patience. A little bit more | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:05 Trfel wrote: and more importantlyLike, I get it. I'm worried about some people on the wagon being mafia. But what if I am wrong? What if we're right! | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: you're.meant to be better, smarter wiser than thisliterally said i think there is 4-5 mafia, now says i actually gave 2/5 town read. Lol town read with a caveat don't count | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: shaking in my boots, there's a monster in my closet I call raynhow about you rather argue your case of why rayn is mafia? or did you get stunned? | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:38 AlphaZero wrote: You want to flip to sandroba too?I’m having the same thought. Sandroba flipping mafia makes the game a lot more straightforward. Is the mason logs going well or something? Like what does sandroba!mafia conclude such that the game is straight forward? | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:42 AlphaZero wrote: we? You're dead n2 most likely lolThen we can worry less about oats/koshi/rayn. I think if sandroba is town then game.is over effectively Yeah sandroba might be scum but I'm not voting with that block. I would rather assume they are bussing because sandroba was at risk of modkill and made just enough effort to keep the slot going but may not return | ||
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Sorry oats you were right to be that head strong I actually give up Trfel breaking up has fucked the very little chance to secure a town majority | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:52 AlphaZero wrote: Dude. You're an even bigger disappointment nowHonestly I’m not convinced Sandro is more town than Rayn .wither of them could be mafia. At least Rayn is here trying to play. Why are we defending Sandro when he isn’t even here to defend himself. Pull your fuckong finger out Day1 shit on everyone for policy lynch and now you do the same I'm one vote it's staying in rayn Do as you decide P.s. I do like you as a player this is legit hypocrisy though | ||
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Makes fake points about fake posts Blah blah blah So your game.is that I am mafia with sandroba, correct? | ||
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On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote: the only reason I would do this over rayn is if sandroba continues to afk and hope that's a free town vote to attempt majorityAnyway I think dmb is correct today. So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb Nothing further from me.till deadline | ||
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On June 11 2024 04:05 Trfel wrote: trfel..do you still hold this position?I mean if you guys still think Vivax is mafia and want to lynch him, go ahead I guess? Maybe you're right. I certainly haven't cleared Vivax, I just thought there was no further benefit from voting for him. I just think a few other people look worse. | ||
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On June 11 2024 19:09 AlphaZero wrote: azThis post is bad. And should not be made by town Rayn imo. Why should mocsta town reading obv town trfel mean anything. If mocsta is mafia why is this the case to make. It’s very fucking weak. .note half of rayn is about trfel fake casing vivax Regardless of where paranoia trfel sits now, this is a disingenuous take. Has town!rayn game stooped so low this is acceptable meta? | ||
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On June 11 2024 21:33 Vivax wrote: vivax for a reasonable take. Sanity restored and I'm not even exaggerating!I can see room for mafia rayn he‘s a lot darker than usual. Which is why I‘m unwilling to lynch sandro. And he‘s a great asset if town. Especially when sandro + Trfel agree. Ok. You are in dmb and there is a train for potential majority What's the hot take on why dmb would be a better lynch than rayn? Was there any 'a ha' post/case you can link me? | ||
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On June 11 2024 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I get your perspectiveI think we just keep it simple and lynch Sandro. I don’t see the benefit of trying to swing for a home run here with Rayn I can't vote Sandro because of rayn being on the train So I empathise with you being unable to vote where Sandro is Sorry i put you in the dilemma earlier | ||
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On June 11 2024 21:56 Vivax wrote: I saved marv so was rbLooks like fake dumbtell to me. No one would believe his claim at night. Genius if he actually is though lol | ||
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On June 11 2024 22:11 Vivax wrote: wow there's some real life expression I read here. I feel that sorrow and whilst.appicable to couples whether town or mafia, this specifically is giving me vibes of mental preparation to follow through. Almost like jedi meditating before the big battle.Hm. I think it‘s dangerous to lynch sandro here still. If he‘s town the game will crumble and we might be facing off with Koshi + rayn. My gut doesn‘t like rayn as it usually does but I don‘t have it in me to dig through him now. DMB would be a less harmful lynch to the game overall, if we‘re wrong. We‘d be arguing over the dumbtells all day, and it causes inner conflict in me while we‘re both in the game. I think it‘s fair to make this day about me vs her Super town post for me. You are in my circle.vivax! There's literally no need as mafia to convey this and I refuse to believe this can be faked. | ||
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On June 11 2024 21:53 Vivax wrote: what do you mean by' scum read Scott being too risky for him to be scum'?And this shortly afterwards. How does that compute with Koshi voting me if I scumread scott being too risky for him to be scum ? Should be like the safest play ever. Not sure if there is a typo but I'm struggling to understand the ' a ha' I see you and sandroba link up on dmb/rayn/koshi reads Then she goes OMGUS - which reads a bit forced Is this a couples tell? Is there something I'm missing | ||
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On June 11 2024 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote: How did you goI need to reread the dmb and Sandro interactions to figure out if they are likely scum/scum If vivax/oats/mocsta jump onto there is a majority Would mean you being on a wagon with sandroba though | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Ooo he’s back  | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:00 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m sorry I don’t understand what this means I was interested in mechanics of a dmb lunch You were going to review dmb/Sandro But.. Sandro is back so let's put on pause | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:01 sandroba wrote: thank youI commented about this, but Trfel put it together nicely. Rayn goes from sandroba was really townie, to arguing with himself and putting me on scum list without any reason what so ever. Then after the weekend when I come back and I'm catching up and posting, he doubles down with contrieved reasons for finding me mafia. This is just random posting with an agenda, grasping at straws to keep up appearances. Rayn is mafia. Can you please vote rayn with me | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:05 sandroba wrote: Dmb has most supportI'll vote any of rayn/dmb/koshi, whoever of these has the most support behind I'm game. But.. oats won't vote with you (currently) | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:14 sandroba wrote: I don't think oats is mafia. He's still investedI mean I suppose dmb is not 100% to be scum, just very likely. If I'm wrong about any of these I think the remaining has to be within Oats/AZ/scott? But they all have done things that make it hard to believe they are mafia. I guess oats and AZ could pull it off if they are just next level scum. Yes will not let go of you but it's an isolated game and everyone is clutching at straws. It's plausible and not that you can rely . I played a game with oats maybe 8 years ago where we were both town andnshitshow and his stubbornness is very similar Az.. look if he was scum it would be for setting the culture of this town day1 by being principle focused.. it's a annoying as he knew he wouldn't be here to continue it so town built in the founding father name and taken over by the child out of wedlock.. lol I have to think he's town..he could have turned on me easily so many times and importantly marv read him town during n1 | ||
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On June 11 2024 17:56 Mocsta wrote: my issue here is why is rayn dodging a simple.question.well rayn was asked 2 things. 1 direct. 1 indirect Rayn answered neither Direct. "Was their deceit" = there was no need for deceit i.e. reframed scummy by dodging the question Indirect. "But the talk was good.it felt like 5 townies" = mocsta shit. Az dumb. Trfel lost cause. Vivax lose causw I.e. gives 2 of 5 a town read with a caveat... Again scummy reframe. Now.. the counter argument is that rayn is defensive due to votes. Yet... This is both overly antagonist (per my comments above) and bear in mind, as a town!rayn, koshi has mostly been an advocate for rayn and asked very politely. Even oats for all his abrasiveness and bravado does not ignore and reframe in this way. This for me is a very clear approach that only comes from.mafia mindset. We have a town core which he refuses to acknowledge a town He won't talk to deceit being in place And is using language which conditions you to walk with a tail between your legs None of this is town Town would respond to the answer AND then switch agenda to their target OR ignore the question and switch agenda to target I repeat.. this is not town mentality | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:14 sandroba wrote: I think the best way to unite town is to have 2 wagons to gauge buy in and then merge into one wagon (somehow...)I mean I suppose dmb is not 100% to be scum, just very likely. If I'm wrong about any of these I think the remaining has to be within Oats/AZ/scott? But they all have done things that make it hard to believe they are mafia. I guess oats and AZ could pull it off if they are just next level scum. I will join my town reads if it leads to majority My town reads are Trfel Oats Sandroba Az Vivax And I'm willing to work with scott | ||
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Exactly the same bebop style and this lunch has resistance and therefore if mafia I would seriously expect a deviation Fuck yeah game is coming together! Stay strong see you closer to deadline Again will join where the majority of my town reads Sandroba.scott. oats. Trfel. Vivax. Az. Slam My preferred lynch is rayn or dmb | ||
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1. I'm trusting AZ primarily 2. Sandroba posts have made me feel like I'm progressing my reads.. I cannot take away that sandroba helped open my perspective back for you to be town and then you did the rest by being you 3. Of least consequence . Just hope.. it makes sense to me that the antagonizing culture of this game.is not just limited to afk and abrasiveness.. it makes sense to me there has been a lot of noise which fits into the rayn giant filter for day 1.. the koshi relatively large filter and no big dick energy 4. Rayn my biggest scum read (i.e. certainty and immovable) is in Sandro.sinxe early d2 so I rule.out a. Bus.. makes no sense. Like if the choice is legitimately two policy lynches in sandroba or dmb... Yes I said policy cos both afk.. then.. Sandroba has done more for town.. that's indisputable My #1 lynch remains rayn I'm going to bed so am realistic I may not wake up to a majority here Between dmb and sandro. It's a clear dmb vote if I have to | ||
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On June 12 2024 01:21 die_meatbaby wrote: yes please read my 5 page filter. I hope you have good glasses on, not that there is false news in the newspaper Why do you know your filter page count? Do you have to visit to remember your reads? | ||
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Some stuff in there legit blows my mind. Cannot compute. Guess there's moc-logic and the upgrade pack is smb-logic Appreciate you deciding early on Let's see what happens Where do you sit with rayn as well? Could you vote? | ||
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On June 11 2024 23:07 sandroba wrote: ##unvote ##vote rayn admittedly, if scum, there could be last minute shenanigans.. good info regardless i say. | ||
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On June 12 2024 02:04 scott31337 wrote: #3Yes - and there's three theories I have 1. Mafia DMB saw the claim believed the claim told scum buddies of the claim - scum team thought Marv as more of a threat - Mafia DMB keeps posting about the claim in the thread 2. DMB is town 3. Mafia thought the claim was fake Which makes the most sense? i dunno.. like. i dont want to get ego-carried away that the game is POE.. thats a recipe to lose its not LYLO, so i want to get a majority, hopefully lynch scum; or at least get some meaningful wagon movement data if its a mislynch. Importantly there is resistance to this lynch There *HAS* to be scum between DMB/Sandroba.. im going to lose my hair if both are town | ||
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On June 12 2024 02:32 Oatsmaster wrote: you're better than thatHas to be scum between dmb/sandro Votes rayn my pov: rayn is guaranteed has to be scum between dmb/sandro as for whoever noted the ZERO interactions between dmb/sandro.. like both are afk lets check who they have talked to (either question to player; or quoted the player) to be honest, im mostly surprised sandroba has not interacted with AZ this cycle.. doesnt feel legit so i double checked the filter and its true sandroba -> oats: d1 no, d2 yes -> trfel: d1 yes, d2 yes -> rsoultin: d1 yes -> koshi: d2 yes --> scott: d1 yes, d2 yes -> dmb: d1 no, d2 no -> slam: d1 no, d2 yes -> marv: d1 yes -> kelsi3r: d1 yes -> mocsta: d1 yes, d2 yes -> vivax: d1 yes, d2 no -> az: d1 yes, d2 no dmb -> oats: d1 yes, d2 no -> trfel: d1 yes, d2 yes -> rsoultin: d1 yes -> koshi: d2 yes --> scott: d1 yes, d2 yes -> sandroba: d1 no, d2 no -> slam: d1 no, d2 no -> marv: d1 yes -> kelsi3r: d1 no -> mocsta: d1 yes, d2 yes -> vivax: d1 yes, d2 yes -> az: d1 yes, d2 yes | ||
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On June 12 2024 03:11 Oatsmaster wrote: @mocsta: Not really sure why you say Sandro is in your town circle then a couple posts later you say there has to be mafia in Sandro/dmb mate thats a good q i dunno its 2am. i need to sleep look. if majority was simpler.. sandro would be weakest townie / possibly null & maybe vivax null (as in.. maybe my relationship rea could be scum vivax lynching town dmb more than i weighted) its just so hard when every townie has someone they refuse to work with like me with rayn & you with sandro etc maybe info >>> majority control one assumption i hold is that mafia sandro returns from afk to avoid policy lynch / modkill.... i.e BARE minimum. has he done that? yeah.. i wuould say he has | ||
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My olive branch is that I will genuinely consider a sandroba vote even if rayn is on it Why? Because it's not MYLO and it may help resolve town disconnect. I.e. I suspect you to be around MYLO and you may need this resolved dto work with AZ as an example (doubt he will be alive though) | ||
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.yet his basis . A fake case on vivax. Is false He's misread trfel This is hilllarious | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:54 Mocsta wrote: wow. To everyones surprise rayn refused to be a one hit wonder and after much dedication and reflections form 'sweet summer mafia" released you must have sold a lot of copies of 'rayns how to play: town - dodge and reframe mastery' Chapter Ii 'rayns how to play: town - antagonise, lie and scowl' | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: lolsee Koshi? Who's picking fights? Chapter Ii volume 3 I see. Well done rayn. A scholar of your work. I also appreciated your take on chapter Ii volume 98 - how to ignore factual replies to fabricated cases | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:48 Vivax wrote: OiI‘m holding hands with someone I‘m murdering in a bullshit justice simulator this is fine You went all jedi meditating to go 1:1 with dmb What happened after.. eh.. eh?? | ||
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I'm going to keep my vote where it is This is just a waiting game to deadline | ||
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On June 12 2024 07:59 Vivax wrote: i'm serious with the questionAre you 18 br0 I guess sandro got lucky for not being here to opportunistically vote me like Koshi claimed he‘d do you wanted D2 to be vivax vs dmb On June 11 2024 22:11 Vivax wrote: is this what you meant by you vs her?Hm. I think it‘s dangerous to lynch sandro here still. If he‘s town the game will crumble and we might be facing off with Koshi + rayn. My gut doesn‘t like rayn as it usually does but I don‘t have it in me to dig through him now. DMB would be a less harmful lynch to the game overall, if we‘re wrong. We‘d be arguing over the dumbtells all day, and it causes inner conflict in me while we‘re both in the game. I think it‘s fair to make this day about me vs her On June 12 2024 07:16 Vivax wrote: If sandro flips town I‘d probably just copy his reads. If dmb flips town then I‘d start over. On June 12 2024 07:23 Koshi wrote: It screams "I have no conviction and will park my vote anywhere it benefits me" On June 12 2024 07:28 Vivax wrote: Well no, he didn‘t vote me while having the opportunity. You did. Dmb did. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Have you seen the vote discrepancy?Why aren’t you trying to convince me to vote someone else? It's pointless. Literally this game feels like being in day 5 Yes oats I've given up for this cycle. You got your lynch let's see what unfolds | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:17 Vivax wrote: So sandroba is getting lynches today 6 or 7 to 3 last I checkedThe point is that I hate having to handle dmb and I think we are both always overly self conscious in games we‘re in together. After my past experiences with DP I know I have to policy kill her or mafia can just generate endless bullshit in lategame when we‘re both alive and have legitimate concerns about conflicts of interest at that. At what point do you follow through to policy lynch Shouldn't you be on dmb >> sandroba then? | ||
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Scott's come in and won't change Slam came in and I assume wont change. Not even sure if here Trfel has been in and no change. Appreciate you are considering. That's a great sign. It's just it goes 5-5 on dmb but sandroba held 5 first and still is majority. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:23 Vivax wrote: and bedtime.performance lolThe night after Palmar lynch. You can‘t have finely nuanced reads as a couple you just can‘t. It‘s always a dirty read imo. Unless you stay away from each other for the entire duration of the game but it‘s always going to affect moods and behaviours in some way. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:24 Vivax wrote: man sorry. I legit thought you were on sandrobaWell I am. I‘m as suspicious of Koshi and rayn as he is. This game is killing me right now. 3hrs sleep sigh | ||
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Just likes it Bah dum ba dum dish Bad joke. Sorry. Not sorry | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:27 Oatsmaster wrote: well they are my scum reads..?? Wha tdo you expect me to doRayn koshi and me are here lol I really don’t get why you are being so defeatist There's not enough thread control to force mafia to side with town in my opinion | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I've explained why I find that important for oats moving forward but you are entertaining to vote for sandroba, and that i am mafia with him? | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:42 scott31337 wrote: Copy. You were pretty clear you will go sandroba >> dmbI'm here as well until deadline although I have some chores to do in between still and hopefully nothing blows up at work. Let's leave that Separately, can you walk me through your koshi town read? Is it based on koshi, or dependent on team associations?l.as an example? | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:58 Grackaroni wrote: majority say az is town and I think sentiment is mostly vivax is townDay Two Vote Count sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): With 7 votes, sandroba is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in On dmb lynch is max 1 mafia Therefore mafia control the vote and have chosen sandroba Go town!!!! | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=160#3185can you quote the post where you explain it? | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I knew I should have stopped reading chapter Ii !"have chosen" maybe it is just me but everything mocsta writes is in a scummy way | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think it's set in stone.Does that mean then you think DMB is town, if mafia "has chosen" to lynch sandroba? There was much better push pull lynch resistance today, although majority from my town reads. Maybe I have the game flipped upside down. I can cop that on the chin. But maybe I am reading the game by Poe well too In that case was dmb a legit counter wagon?.. I don't believe so. Dmb wagon never picked up and never got buy in to pick up so I don' believe the game go to the point of truly testing this. Mafia controlled this vote and sandroba is a mislynch. That's my take. The only small BS reality I could tinfoil entertain is sandroba was legit modkill and scum wanted bus cred | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:09 Oatsmaster wrote: maybe that's something I can improve in the futureI really don’t understand your approach. You don’t know any else’s alignment. Why are you so like “oh my scum reads won’t vote for my read because they are mafia and I’m sure that my reads are all correct” I mean I'm not 100% on my reads obviously.. it's just I'm at a point I can work with 9 of 11 players.. unfortunately the two willing to talk (who knows maybe move as well) happen to be the two I won't work with. Sorry oats | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chapter III town: how to microscope molehills and flatten mointainsare you now selling some bullshit on sandroba telling his scumteam "hey guys i am legit not playing anymore bye" and people like me (as his scumbuddy) then voting for him? | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't say that. I have 4 reasons for sandroba to be town and the primary was trust in az.. sandroba is in my town Poe , and stealing. From your book, the caveat is at the bottom of my poeThane why do you even say "one of DMB/sandroba is mafia", because in your world sandroba is NOT MAFIA!!! Lots of skim reading by you continuously Why everyone else ignores, Idk | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote: honestly, i never considered thatI don’t get it though, they might not follow you but you’ve seen how persistent I can be so why wouldn’t they follow me? its actually valid and let me know stew on it. im in a work meeting right now, so today is over. but if im around d3, yes, this is encouraging . thanks | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:13 scott31337 wrote: yeah I can see thatI did townlean rsoul, but rsoul is an extremely difficult read for me. Like her town/scum game seem very similar to me. So I go more on votes and actions/etc. But this info is in my filter. So when Koshi replaces her - he did have some things going on for him. Koshi came in wrecking ball trying to figure this game out and with the typical town dgaf Koshi attitude. He has mostly similar thoughts as I do (there's a couple variations, but the consensus is there). So that's the jist of it. Maybe this is something we can reevaluate after the flip .thanks | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:25 scott31337 wrote: Wait WaitNow I see I started by filtering scott, I wanted to see if my read would change from him being likely mafia to inform my reading of the rest of D1. These 2 posts in particular are a strong indication scott is actually townie: So disregard what I was thinking there One pint for scummiest is he came across as reading filter instead of thread Now you recognize he did indeed do that publicly How does that affect your read? | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:29 scott31337 wrote: reasonable. ThanksI'll let others chime in, but rsoul does a lot of overthinking or overtyping. I'm not the best at phrasing it - but I could see her going in circles - especially when I was leaning town on her. I wanted to be clear. I don't like swearing in mafia (or RL) either but there are times I still do it. | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: in my world.view sandroba is more likely to flip town and the by votes I need to look into slam and what led him to +1 sandrobasandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): Vivax, AlphaZero, sandroba raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: he said he wouldn't be available. Was open about it . I think his re entry with trfel going paranoia mode was unfortunate timing. I'm not concerned by az. If he was here d4 I would be.how can you color me and koshi read if you dont color sandroba green? what's your opinion of AZ not being here? I have wanted to spend way less time.here than I have yet can't let it go. The only element I could muster from this question. Is I'm.surprised he can separate.but maybe it's out of his control unlike me? So big nothing from me ---> Reminds me.ofnyour filter to be fair | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:44 scott31337 wrote: I know that you doWould I be on Sandroba if I really believed he was town? No. I can think for myself too. Not sure what you are getting at. It was the sheep koshi thing..I meant after this flip if sandy is town..does sheep koshi still hold water? | ||
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He's not null but I won't go to death with him like I would with you | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why is slam black when you said one of dmb and sandroba is mafia? with me and koshi wouldnt that always make 3? or do you think there is 4 mafia? This game feels like playing with 5-7mafia lol Slam is black per my comment at end A Poe flip consideration | ||
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On June 12 2024 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote: ermmm. If I understand rightBut you colored rayn and koshi red with the assumption that Sandro is green You believe I associate Rayn/koshi as scum be ause they are voting snadroba? If so..that's not the case They are red to me because of approach to d2. Sandroba is part of that because of their votes, but it's more than that too..contributions to culture, inauthentic takes, no big dick energy etc | ||
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I am pleased truly | ||
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I wonder why Rayn was asking about my read on az just before lynch I suspect this will become.important TMI or will I reevaluate. Wow. Great job all | ||
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An fuck this. Time.to step away | ||
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On June 08 2024 05:32 sandroba wrote: I might be biased, here but I like oats. I like his point here about vivax post's being substantially more conservative than what we've seen from him as town in his past couple games. On June 08 2024 05:41 sandroba wrote: Not calling oats town btw, after the last game I learned to reject all my oats inclinations. I said I like him and what he is saying. This is good interaction for oats post flip For vivax this reads more like distancing to me Will archive as a point of note On June 08 2024 06:01 sandroba wrote: I'm willing to have a think about koshi alignment if I'm around tomorrowRayn on rsoul: I had similar thoughts to her from reading the initial pages and had a town lean. Her random call out on me seems contrived because she herself does not comment on anything else besides accusing me of lack of commentary. If she really believes I missed something important or more telling than the stuff on scott I would expect she would have commented on that when re-entering the thread. She is in the null pile on kelsier his dismissive attitude towards mocsta's post and not making an effort to understand where he was coming from was totally carefree, it felt really townie This doesn't look like distancing to me And then add this On June 10 2024 23:40 sandroba wrote: Oats is either town or mafia with rsoul. If rsoul is town I don't think it's ever reasonable for oats to be mafia. There is just too much effort and insistence arguing against rsoul about her misrepresentation / misinterpretation of my post. I hate to say it I'm really inclined to drop my hard scum read on koshi Another string in the bow to vivax On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote: Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake. Damn I'm so bad at this !! | ||
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On June 12 2024 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote: I think dmb is town rn Same | ||
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Az hard town read on sandroba Could sandroba/vivax/az make sense I do blame az for setting d1 culture Ok olive branch I'm willing to consider the game through this lens Otherwise we had consensus and I can actually sheep next cycle too. Food stuff guys thanks for carrying me! | ||
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On June 12 2024 11:45 Trfel wrote: I think die_meatbaby is mafia though im gonna follow just asking.. you would choose dmb > vivax? | ||
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On June 12 2024 11:49 Trfel wrote: yeah good pointKoshi is very likey town imo due to rsoultin's desire to lynch sandroba day 1. On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): iirc rayn did not appear to deviate from a sandroba lynch which is probably a strong town indicator too. will need to fact check that of course.. information-wise, if it was 1 of rayn/az.. az has been most detrimental.. reads are scott and sandroba.. i cant believe where this is taking me.. rayns been quite humble so far about all of this if it comes to fruition.. maybe we all mature | ||
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On June 12 2024 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote: its ok. i can prot you this timeMafia pls kill trfel I don’t wanna die you earnt it | ||
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there is a constant push-pull of: "yes sandroba is scummy, and shoudlnt be here after N1.. BUT.. i want to vote someone else" its actually really really shocked me how long this has been running for. in fact: AZ scum, DMB town PULL Starts as a townish read On June 08 2024 07:46 AlphaZero wrote: Sandros catchup posting resonated with me. He seemed to be just comfortable putting things out there. Vivax im not sure anyone should how anyone could call him town right now. He looked ok initially. Recently pretty meh. PUSH 12hrs later flips read... On June 08 2024 21:31 AlphaZero wrote: I will say one thing. Sandroba needs to do things cause I’m getting antsy. Rso is right about that. PUSH - ~3days ago to Marv on N1.. Defends Sandroba On June 09 2024 17:36 AlphaZero wrote: The reason I’m reconsidering oats is that it’s all surface level. Like he is probing and poking stuff. But really he ended up on the really shitty kelsier lynch and didn’t do anything with the poking and prodding. I started to get worried it’s performative. Because to me at least it lead to a very underwhelming. Maybe I’m being pocketed but I think Mocsta looked very town latter part of the phase. I think the people who didn’t really consider Scott and who just defaulted to kelsier are worth looking at. As is sandroba to be honest. I know that you probably don’t like to hear that as you have this kind of ‘good player’ mutual respect thing going on. But he is someone who is a priority shot day one in previous games. Something has changed here. PUSH D2 Start.. locks into dmb, does not engage with other F Tier reads On June 10 2024 10:53 AlphaZero wrote: Tier lists S tier: Marv, trfel. A tier: koshi Mocsta B tier: oats C tier: vivax, Rayn, slam F tier: Scott, Sandro, dmb, PULL 24hrs later... active defense of F-tier sandroba On June 11 2024 16:35 AlphaZero wrote: IM not sure on Sandro. I think DMB is likely. PULL 2hrs later.. more active defense of F-tier sandroba.. further, Rayn was listed as "C-tier" read, where is the effort to discern what this weak case means for Rayn? PUSH-PULL5min later... flips F-tier Sandro read On June 11 2024 18:45 AlphaZero wrote: Lif anything sandros post on koshi being 100% mafia like that is an argument for him being town. I haven’t seen any good reasons that make Sandro mafia except he is worse than prior games. Now this is true. But I also saw him almost get mislynched for similar reasoning previously. I’d be more comfortable waiting it out another phase and flipping dmb. But I realise I don’t have the influence or time to get it done. PUSH 7in later - Sandroba is less town Rayn.. i.e. at best: null, at worst:scum On June 11 2024 18:52 AlphaZero wrote: Honestly I’m not convinced Sandro is more town than Rayn .wither of them could be mafia. At least Rayn is here trying to play. Why are we defending Sandro when he isn’t even here to defend himself. PULL1hr laterlets ignore all the sandroba push-pull and jump onto DMB, with no interaction or read progression On June 11 2024 20:07 AlphaZero wrote: PUSHAnyway I think dmb is correct today. So I’ll do that. Vote:dmb PUSH-PULL On June 11 2024 20:12 AlphaZero wrote: ]Doesn’t make sense cause if Sandro continues to Afk he is probably mafia. Later Sandroba returns (i.e. isnt afk), AZ returns... yet no interaction, and vote together after all this. AZ scum, DMB town | ||
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On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): I spend the entire D2 saying i wont vote with Rayn my top scum read.. yet AZ votes with Sandroba to lynch DMB.. crazy Rayn then PoE to certain town, theres just no benefit at all to bus Sandroba like this. On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): Applying this to D1 lynch On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Kelsi3r (7): scott31337 (5): sandroba, marvellosity, AlphaZero, sandroba (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Vivax (0): Mocsta (0): Trfel (0): [green] Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r | ||
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On June 13 2024 08:58 die_meatbaby wrote: Hi - your read on meSomeone here who wants to talk actually about the game? Is it purely contingent on a combination of sandroba and/or n1 jk? | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:14 die_meatbaby wrote: I'm glad you mentioned vivax oddness with the couple stuffKoshi town Scott town Rayn kinda townisch Trfl maybe town You maybe town Vivax behaving strange scummy and townisch but more scummy in my eyes Az scummy M scummy Slam too less posts to make a read on him First time.it plucked my heart strings.. now not at all If I'm scum with sandroba.. how do you view the interactions with sandroba and vivax? | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:28 die_meatbaby wrote: I like that praise line - good find. It's a lot more specific/intentioned as a post compared to the reststrange. I really can´t explain, but he just playing like never before and was reading a lot of games from him. It feels like he don´t want to have interactions if anybody or at least just short ones also this post feeling kinda scummy for me I think that he is praising himself here | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:53 die_meatbaby wrote: thats pretty close to where i have settled its basically (az + 1 of vivax/slam). more likely vivaxthat would be balls of zeus if thats fucking it koshi shot tongiht most likely | ||
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On June 13 2024 09:58 die_meatbaby wrote: dp might make everything possible; but not everyone else is DPBut it would just be so smart. We are all looking at least for one mafia at sandroba voting. Because its safer for mafia to vote on there and then they voting on me or rayn. That would be to insane. But DP was so insane in his last mafia game that now everything is possible i had to check out that game to see what the fuss was. obvioulsy didnt read it. but far out 80+ pages. thats jsut. wow. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:07 die_meatbaby wrote: cool move indeedMafia dp had extra shoot he claimed it as town and said seconds before the night kill that he shoots the afk mafia and shooted on his actual fucking mafia buddy and won the game because of this. in this game. yeah its a possiblity reliant on 1. mafia having vig 2. mafia not shooting n1 3. mafia did shoot n1 and hit a vest role that isnt notified maybe a few others that go even more esoteric its not what you are saying is impossible, its that its improbable. we will know more in 50min i guess whether theres 1 or 2 kills. im banking on 1. | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote: are you asking me?Yeah that's super conspiracy theory world for this game. Save them for D4 and beyond. Who's AZ's mafia teammate? umm. im gonna be a dick. i have posted barely anything this cycle and would prefer if you read what i produced than me give a blanket list i think its on p171 the team im sitting on is clear if thats too much. i literally posted my team combo i think on this page as well | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:23 scott31337 wrote: yes, maybe you are tired?I've read your filter like twice this "night". I just did again - still not seeing it. I mean a half an hour ago you posted " thats pretty close to where i have settled its basically (az + 1 of vivax/slam). more likely vivax" So just verifying. Are you warming to rayn? On June 12 2024 12:04 Mocsta wrote: yeah good point iirc rayn did not appear to deviate from a sandroba lynch which is probably a strong town indicator too. will need to fact check that of course.. information-wise, if it was 1 of rayn/az.. az has been most detrimental.. reads are scott and sandroba.. i cant believe where this is taking me.. rayns been quite humble so far about all of this if it comes to fruition.. maybe we all mature i also colour rayn green in this poe here On June 12 2024 14:05 Mocsta wrote: Updated I spend the entire D2 saying i wont vote with Rayn my top scum read.. yet AZ votes with Sandroba to lynch DMB.. crazy Rayn then PoE to certain town, theres just no benefit at all to bus Sandroba like this. Applying this to D1 lynch | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:41 AlphaZero wrote: wow wow wowNo, what do you think I should respond to? there is nothing to respond to. the only argument that I am mafia is that I didn't want to lynch sandro last phase. But I am not sure that makes me more likely to be mafia than town. Do you think someone who is capable of posting 20 pages in 2 phases as mafia doesn't know how to bus their inactive teammate? i cant beleive there is a new reader of rayns volume I - Dodge and reframe very impressive synthesis AZ, perhaps you are an uncredited contributor?!?!? Firstly, the case is not about you ""didnt want to lycnh sandro".. its about HOW you didnt want to lynch sandro. Convenient you have dodged and reframed into a hypothetical for others to construct i shall take you up on your offer to lynch first | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:45 AlphaZero wrote: this is irrelevantanyone calling me mafia needs to reconcile this fact btw. no one is asking whether you are skilled to bus undected or not the first question that should be asked is whether there is value to outright bussing; or to push-pull constantly. like you, i will leave that with the group to decide for themselves | ||
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On June 13 2024 10:57 AlphaZero wrote: this is so misleading. our approaches to the game, the cycle and the lynch are dramatically different.Thats fine, so why does scott town read mocsta and scum read me? Think about why that would be the case for a townie? scott has to furnish his interpretations himself however to posit that a town~scott must read you/me the same is a ridiculous assertion | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:11 scott31337 wrote: I can talk to youSo Mocsta If you want to wait until other townies have more intel/info for today or even until D4 I'm fair with But are you hard claiming? That's the part I was speaking we were going to have a convo about i mean. i dont see how a claim changes anything? | ||
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On June 13 2024 11:22 scott31337 wrote: wait until d4 I sayBecause if you haven't been CC (counterclaimed) you are probably confirmed town and things make more sense But like i said it can wait until D4 I'm glad koshi is here though Replace idea for colours makes sense Although I'm working off phone. Maybe that has it Bloody hard I will have a look into your n2 post now | ||
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Push pull as thread sentiment evolved is labeled as inaccurate representation. Yet the case is your posts with colours for emphasis - nothing more Dodge and reframe Accuses me of being teamed with Scott for voting with a former scum read even though we have only aligned when I have town read Scott Worse this point reflects to alphazero as a hypocrite who voted with his "actual" scum read sandroba | ||
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I voted with sandroba? Lol.. the end of day count clearly shows you are talking about yourself along with vivax | ||
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On June 13 2024 12:59 AlphaZero wrote: nothing I have done is unchanged from my vote count with colourswhen did you town read scott, and what happened for this town read to develop? The rest is just bluster I have constantly talked of Scott beboping around being a town indicator for me And his shift over the past 24hrs to not bebop makes absolute sense as town because more information means the game.feels closer to being solved | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:03 AlphaZero wrote: your scum reads have barely changed eitherHe hasn't done that. His top scum read hasn;t changed all game really. What are you saying, lol | ||
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Sure EoD2 vote count.. colours are purely to stand out in response On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): Sandroba and AlphaZero voted together In AlphaZero world, Scott, DMB and Sandroba are F-Tier scum reads = guranteed scum I get there is a difficult of an F-tier on each wagon; yet alphazero never talks about this, such that its not even a consideration. and me identifying a blatant lie is in response to this: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=183#3644 On June 13 2024 12:51 AlphaZero wrote: 2.) he is not considering [red]mocsta[red] as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. if alphazero seeks to distort his post to at a point of time in d2, i shared the same vote destination as sandroba. this is true. i voted DMB and it had nothing to do with sandroba - ignored by alphazero Sandroba voted Rayn with me, as did AlphaZero & trfel - again ignored by AlphaZero | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:16 Trfel wrote: contextually yes;thats probably a good distillation.Mocsta, why is die_meatbaby town again? Your posts seem to indicate that she is town because AlphaZero is mafia? Is this a "the two wagons won't ever both be mafia" thing? firstly my world was flipped upside down, and im viewing oats read of the game as legit (who was pro DMB) then i read sandroba filter and am viewing the interactions with vivax as scummy. In that world, who is the partner.. could DMB/VIvax be a couple scum team? I just havent seen the game like that, and world upside down or not, being a married person myself i just dont see it regardless. so im thinking 1 of dmb or viivax. whatever az says of sandroba, my internnlisation was that he was pro-sandroba like me. so when i filtered sandroba to get a feel if anything indrect linked to DMB, i noticed the push-pull with az i was like this is weird because i dont recall.. but ctrl+f reveals all i then went through alphazero filter and was like whoah, this has been going on for way too long. extremely scummy. just the right amoutn of tension to pick a side.. only mafia does this when the noose is not on the neck. so if you ask me to logic why DMB is a town read. i would say. DMB is a leaning town read by PoE & i cant see DMB/Vivax as a scum team. thats the best i can give you | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:20 AlphaZero wrote: could be, i have guilty of a fewmy read on sandro evolved since the tier post (he started posting again) and my reasons for not wanting to lynch him yesterday are in my filter, which apparently you have read. The second part you have in red is a comprehension fail, I am saying scott is voting with you. i really dont see the fail though and i have re-read multiple times "scott (he) is not considering mocsta as mafia who also did not vote for sandro, and in fact was the most vocal opponent of the lynch and is in fact voting with him. the 3 ident lines all relate to "mocsta as mafia" | ||
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as i have written a response.. i've gone.. damn. thats stupid from me and very fair points from you. what can i say. anti-town award for me? On June 13 2024 13:28 Trfel wrote: Mostly correct. Paraphrased its about the byproduct of AlphaZero posts/votes create voting optionality, and applies whether voting a town or scum flip. Mocsta, can I break this down with you? If there is something I am misunderstanding, please point it out. It is very possible that I am missing something. You think AlphaZero is mafia for how he posts about sandroba but doesn't end up voting for him, right? Basing this off of post #3410. Yes, town change reads and votes (I'm proof), and typically new information is the driver (or being stupid for me). Whereas, pursuing optionality, in particular without applying new information, is mafia mindset. The push-pull was about demonstrating through AlphaZeros quote history, the optionality kept open on Sandroba over 72 hours and 120+ posts that presented during that time; and bear in mind, this is for an F-Tier hard scum read so i attribute the optionality as opportunistic and therefore scummy. Why would AlphaZero, as mafia, share so many suspicions about his mafia partner sandroba and then not bus him when it becomes obvious sandroba is being lynched and sandroba gives up? (I mean, good mafia play is to bus him before it becomes hyper obvious, but at the very least he should do it at that point) It looks to me like your argument is that AlphaZero is mafia because he set himself up to bus sandroba but then just decided not to. I could buy this if there was any hope of keeping sandroba alive, but there clearly wasn't? We could be viewing two sides of the same coin? For example, in poker, there is the mathematically optimal way to play a hand; yet, that doesn't gurantee you win the pot. Somewhere along the lines, other human factors come into play. Some players, like yourself & Rayn veer towards the analytical approach to the game; others like town!sandroba veer towards the human intuition side, and then occasionally you get muppets like me that create lots of noise. BTW, my argument is that AlphaZero used push-pull to save Sandroba and maintain distance.. I read all his pushes as soft and I personally view AlphaZero push-pull defense of Sandroba as preventing him from bussing if that was a desired outcome - i.e. to jump in the last 5 hours would be sus.. and perhaps only rayn can resolve this via discussions from mason log Like, why does this make AlphaZero mafia when what you (Mocsta) did, defending sandroba and looking for alternative wagons, presumably comes from town? How is what AlphaZero did any scummier or more mafia motivated than what you did? yep, after the fact, my play is anti-town.I reduce this to: 1. not trusting town, that they would come together and stick. like, what game locks in wagons 5 hrs before lynch. 2. being overly concerned about last minute majority flips i mean, if you examine the whats, perhaps there is an argument of similarity much like what you have poited. I know my why, i shared it. you can choose to believe it or not. It has become anti-town, and thats not the same as mafia up-side either. The elements I have identified consistently across 72hrs with AZ, for me, if i implemented that optionlaity opportunisticly, the why is mafia upsides each and every time. | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:44 Trfel wrote: uhh this was funny.. logistically valid, yet practicably useless Okay, from your perspective, AlphaZero is mafia and his not voting on a strong scumread is a sign that he is mafia. Why are you mad about your strong scumread, AlphaZero, doing something that shows that he is mafia? Shouldn't this make you happy and excited? im still laughing | ||
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On June 13 2024 13:57 AlphaZero wrote: putting the game asideSo your reads are a weapon for you to wield? Rather than a reflection of your thoughts about alignments. Was obvious to me from day one, but I’m glad you are showing your true colours here. im truly impressed with your ability to hurl insults with just the right level of candour and joviality to get away with it each and every time. my vision of you is like the bully in adam sandler movies that get their moment eventually. the point and compliment being that it has to come from a movie to get that moment. | ||
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On June 13 2024 14:55 AlphaZero wrote: i suspect scott is playing up the drinking thing to wriggle out of that mess, he only mentions it after he fucks up. hmmm. it is realy a weird build up. i hope hes ok whereever he is | ||
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possibly town read by all which is great and could be as simple as that i really would have expected koshi, trfel maybe rayn to be shot | ||
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On June 13 2024 15:18 Trfel wrote: i'm going to give you benefit of the doubt and unvoteYes, it's possible that AlphaZero is mafia and realized too late that he should bus sandroba and then decided it would be too suspicious to switch and just ended up not bussing him. I think AlphaZero is clearly a better player than this, but I can't entirely rule out the possibility. Even if you think "well Trfel, someone's gonna say that same argument you just said about why mafia would bus and how AlphaZero not joining the wagon doesn't make him mafia," you're not wrong, but this doesn't give him a reason to do this as mafia. AlphaZero not switching to sandroba didn't change the fact that sandroba was going to get lynched. In contrast, if AlphaZero switches to sandroba, he avoids all the knee-jerk "you didn't vote for mafia so you are mafia" scumreads. That's generally well worth it. Sure, AlphaZero could have realized he should bus too late, and maybe thought it would look too suspicious to switch votes late and decided to deal with the knee-jerk repercussions, but.... why? The point though is, AlphaZero as mafia doesn't gain anything by any of this. He didn't really attempt to defend his scumbuddy sandroba, and he didn't get any town credit for bussing. I don't think any of this is alignment indicative at all. If you want to scumread AlphaZero for being wishy-washy on flipped mafia sandroba, this makes more sense to me. I don't think it's super strong or anything, but I think it's at least a reasonable argument that you can make. I don't think that you can conclude anything from AlphaZero not ending up on sandroba, however, because AlphaZero and sandroba (and presumably also mafia #3) didn't try to defend sandroba. I'm not trying to bash you for being wrong, my point is, I think it's distinctly possible (in fact, I think it's extremely likely) that AlphaZero is simply town and was wrong day 2. I don't think the argument for scumreading AlphaZero due to not voting for sandroba holds any water at all. I don't think the argument for scumreading AlphaZero for going back and forth on sandroba is very strong, though it's at least got a little merit. With those things being unclear, I think AlphaZero's day 1 was a very strong indication that he is town. So that's how I am reading him. Sure, he did a bunch of stuff that's not alignment indicative, but that's not going to change my townread because it's not alignment indicative. i have considered a possibility that, in the same way, on d1, AZ couldnt write i was mafia, instead, accused of pushing mafia agenda. perhaps subconsciously he was hoping sandroba would be town (like i was) and MAYBE... that could be an internal resistance creating push-pull my plan for today is read the sandroba cases, figure out whose i liked and understand the most and i will sheep them queation.. in the same way that you believe scum!az should have bussed scum!sandro. why would scum!sandro attempt to bus DMB? how does this pairing work? | ||
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On June 13 2024 15:40 Trfel wrote: yeah noted, and im dropping it for now or i risk being tunneled this cycle.. i thought during n2 today would be easy, but we are disjoined as d2. i never to approach with open mind.I mean if you're seeing something I'm not seeing, by all means please explain. I could also just be wrong about my townread on AlphaZero. I'm merely saying that I don't think the day 2 stuff with sandroba is a very compelling reason for AlphaZero being mafia. Why would you care about who had the most convincing case on sandroba being mafia? In a world where sandroba is being bussed, which I find incredibly likely, it's to mafia's advantage to make a convincing case as they bus, no? In fact, they know they're making a case on mafia, so if anything that gives them a slight advantage compared to town? If anything, you should sheep whoever contributed the most to getting sandroba lynched. That'd be more like, who voted for sandroba early and convinced others to join, or who was the tipping point, or something like that. Personally I think you'd be much, much, much better off playing for yourself, and that would be much more aligned with a town mindset and win condition, but I suppose it's your call. As for sandroba and die_meatbaby: sandroba voted for die_meatbaby at a point when only raynpelikoneet was voting for sandroba. At the point when sandroba did so, it's pretty obvious that the wagon on Vivax isn't going to stay around, which is where all the votes are, so there's a bunch of votes that are going to need to go somewhere. Assuming sandroba and die_meatbaby are mafia together, die_meatbaby isn't in a great spot, since not that many people townread her and I am voting for her. Sandroba also left himself in a spot where he could switch votes to raynpelikoneet or Koshi, which for a while seemed like possible wagons (raynpelikoneet moreso than Koshi in the end). I think it's maybe a slight indication that they aren't mafia together? But I don't think it is anywhere near ruling it out, I think a non-associative read on die_meatbaby has much more weight. The reason i said best sandroba case *TO ME* is because i know they are speaking *my* language. Like, i get you are a complex thinker, and typing processed throughts which i appreciate, but boy do i have to concentrate when reading your stuff. honestly. i hope the best sandroba case is not yours sorry, had to say it you do raise an excellent point it could be a mafia writing on mafia to justify, which feeds into why you examined scotts case. as for who contributed to sandroba being voted off.. im not sure.. the whole thing seems like a blur and i never understood for example why dmb jumped onto sandroba. i will agree with you that non-associative read on DMB is better . ok. heading out. park fresh air. this game off the mind. will be nice i will deep dive DMB when i get back. cos everything i recall is emotional plea.. i need to know why she voted sandroba and what was happening in the build up to her vote.. i mean. my mind just lazily goes she jumped on the coutner wagon | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:21 Koshi wrote: I think I am wrong because he is pushing an agenda now. No. There's different replies Colour was to Scott about posts in notepad | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:29 AlphaZero wrote: Fair enoughI think mocsta is mafia, so there is the active mafia. See there isn't push pull tension with me It's just push or pull You mentioned Rayn masons Is that historical or are you 2 paired again? | ||
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On June 13 2024 16:10 Trfel wrote: perhaps this is what az meant by the afkDon't worry Mocsta, I didn't have a reason to vote for sandroba. I was doing the thing I did with Vivax again Key difference is that Vivax kept playing when there were votes on him. Sandroba didn't. Had sandroba shown fight and defended himself and worked to find mafia, I would have voted for someone else. As he continued to not do so, that told me he was mafia. Very very slow to figure it out but better late than never I guess? see what you said makes sense to me.. present but not resisting whereas, when i see afk. i took it literally as not present afk is pretty careful with his word choice though, so im really going out of my way here to view favourably for az | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:16 Trfel wrote: only scott should answer thisI need to go to sleep soon. I will think about scott31337. I guess it has seemed like he's been much more focused on getting AlphaZero lynched than he has been on finding mafia. Is this reasonable? In his eyes, AlphaZero is mafia because AlphaZero was scumreading him. But Day 2, when AlphaZero stopped actively pushing the scott31337 scumread, scott31337's view didn't change at all? its probably relevant where his sandroba read sat on day1 as well you have tickled my curiosity about writing the sandroba case enough i may look at some past games to see if acts similarly | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: whats with the tone? are you calling me scumVery safe thing to say. I will let you do your useless search though. if you think its a waste of time, what do you suggest i examine? | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: well that was before the flip. maybe you changed like meYes i am calling you scum. Not for that, but you should know i sm calling you scum aleready. look. you want to put me in your pool. go ahead no need to shit the thread up with this stuff im trying mate, doing the best i can (yes as town) you go take that however you want to. | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:41 AlphaZero wrote: hmmm. i imagine soMocsta would you say you were capable of posting 18 pages as mafia by day three? maybe 12-15 is more realistic i am ok with heat, but not this much. i mean. i see its anti-town and i couldnt cross that line as mafia so 12-15 i reckon | ||
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his take on sandroba has been pretty damn consistent and lines up with thread evolution.. all his stuff with sandroba has been reactive too, and has maintained his top reads. I dunno, really does come across to me as a townie working across multiple suspects | ||
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On June 13 2024 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: dude you may not see eye to eye with my approach and thats okYou even do all thir research on who sandroba interacted with D1/D2 an you leave me out ofd that research. like. i dont have the brain capacity to check every single fuckin player eveyr single time info changes. i prirotised DMB to validate whoever said zero interactions, and then noticed AZ read on sandroba was not what i had in my mind it was which puzzled me, and as per that post it went back a lot further than i realised like do i townread you by filter. no. you are remarkably different than what i remember.. which i accept could be on me as well, or that both of us have gotten older and differences do come with that. do i townread you by association to committ to sandroba vote on d2. yes which does come with a scummy caveat. if dmb flips scum, i would drop you to null and reexamine. Theres 2 scenarios i can think of where scum!rayn dees commit to the sandro bus, and both involve scum!dmb 1 = maximise cred 2 = save power role but again, the game isnt there, its not a consideration for me part of why im also talking to you nicer like i got nothing else mate? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: that was before the flipThe problem for me is, that you still made a post where you said "rayn is 100% mafia and then one of sandroba/DMB is mafia". When sandroba turns out to be mafia, why does that change your opinion on me? Because it should not, if your opinions during D2 hold water. now the flip doesnt mean you become town.. it was because like i said. you were first on and had A LOT of time to get off or create other opportunities the point is i re-evaluated now, if you want to call me scum for doing that. then do it. its a policy lynch. admit it, and i wont hold hard feelings like i said, the only situation i would re-evaluate you now, is based on DMB, and i didnt say you would be scum. its null. and i would have to go through you 20+ or whatever it is filter | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: to me, you can only be mafia if dmb is mafiaMy point is, from what i read of your posts during D2, you thought i can be mafia with sandroba. When sandroba flips mafia, why can't i be mafia with sandroba? theres what 9 players left? so theres a 7 in 9 chance to be town like. i just dont believe in this game that mafia go out of there way to bus you were first on sando, stayed on, didnt deviate or create opportunitie to deviate why wouldnt i recognise that as 7 in 9? i dunno what more i can tell you | ||
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dude. its already there, i gave 2 specific scenarios that only unlock based on dmb because dmb was the counter wagon i know you read good too, what is this? | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: hmmm, i dont think so?If i get it right what you are saying, you think there is a chance that mafia!rayn went to fuck up mafia!sandroba because there was a wagon on mafia!dmb? That's your interpretaion? i'm saying the mafia!rayn is a good player and recognises the preferred outcome is always to mislynch than bus so why bus? theres only 2 scenarios i value; both contingent on DMB being mafia.. thus, both wagons are mafia, and there is not insufficient thread control to push onto mislynch scenario 1 = Sandro goon, DMB power.. mafia decide to prioritise keeping the power role scenario 2 = Sandro notified of AFK.. rayn decides to bus.. because DMB is a counter wagon, is forced to commit to the bus and ride the cred i genuinely believe mafia!rayn hops of the bus at some point if DMB is town is this breakdown actaully diffferent to what i wrote before? to me its the same thing with more words? thats a real question | ||
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On June 13 2024 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: i would say the majority disagrees based on comments they have actively made of meTrfel thoughts on Mocsta? Can you fucking see he is only working with whatever the thread sentiment is at times? i dont think i have yet been accused of FOLLOWING thread sentiment.. following /working surely is the same meaning? | ||
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even from way back its very processed, nuanced conclusions. and i just cant fill the gaps to reach or follow the points you make sorta like a chess player talking about optimum moves at a GM level. you just see the game differently and rule out a lot of mechanisms to even get close to the relevance/essence. now you being you are going to throw that back at me and say why havent i queried well fuckn, i have been focused elsewhere and you have 20 pages of 20 posts i would have to query.. stAAWWWP IT! not gunna happen unless i have to | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: yo're really misinterpretting thisyou know i voted, and advocated sandroba lynch BEFORE dmb became a wagon? Everyone was on Vivax when i voted and advocated sandroba lynch. Everyone at the time was saying sandroba is town. Why do you lie about me? im commenting on the 1 in 9 chance that you specifically asked me to talk about i have said repeatedly, this is not my frame for talking to you. *i dont believe this is the case* like wtf is this? | ||
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On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: is this the post you meanSandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list. That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list. Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"????? theres such a lag between votes. i've never looked at this as momentously as you did to be fair. i have never understood this point ithis is an example of what i meant i said to trfel i wanted to find a sandroba case i could understand | ||
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On June 13 2024 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: i dont understand manhttps://tl.net/forum/mafia/626711-sweet-summer-vote-thread?page=3#41 why are you telling me i "had to bus"? Sure there should be some other reasoning behind it, than what the vote thread says. im saying you are town, and if dmb flips mafia there is a consideration i have to go through i really dont get what your problem is you're hanging up on something that doesnt matter today at all? and is unlikely to matter lets say DMB flips mafia.. well. we actually have real interactions now, so i can replace associations with that and see i dont know. its why i call it a consideration im going to have dinner chill out. i hope on a re-read you realise where im coming from. town dude i coloured you green | ||
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early d2 was an absolute shit show no one was collaborating. oats refused to work with trfel trfel shit the bed and became paranoid who was the glue keeping it together... fuckn me this i believe and i did that all to go vote by myself keep being OMGUS all you want like. on this specific topic i have nothing more to say i want to be useful im lost, im willling to be pointed in a direction and discover now im going back to dinner | ||
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i dont care. i dont play the game as 1+1 = 11 as you do | ||
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again. a big reason he changed his tune is because of me dont care if you disagree i cant believe you have sucecssed in agitating me. well done. i will give you that credit *clap clap* | ||
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Go ahead and vote me off Last post Which you can reread after my town flip I am not voting this cycle either as a fuck you to Rayn He's just butthurt he got a few votes last cycle. That's it Putting this game on pause for half a day was really good to crystalize some thoughts Firstly, I stand by this for post game that the rayn/az mason is an important parcel.of information for how d2 went down when talking about bussing optionality. We very likely expect d1 mafia received whisper and did not use. Presumably it is the same d3 as no one has said they are masoned. I conclude d2 Rayn/az is either town town or one is mafia. Why is this relevant. We don't know what was said but we know both players must remain increasingly consistent and cautious compared to theead-only players. My point is this. I thought alpha townread sandroba regardless of what was in filter Even Rayn my biggest antagonist agrees he thought alpha townread sandroba because of filter. I don't believe Rayn is scum at all. He will say it's to save my neck I will say it's because I have seen what I expect from town Rayn which is an intelligent player that likes his butt being licked real clean and I just won't do that. I never agreed that one post was a good reason to lynch sandroba and here I am now burning as if a witch when I bleed the same as the rest of yoh. That's precisely why I think Rayn is town. Alpha is scum. His game is a fancy take on poilicy ynch.. you are not playing with correct principles.. even burn as a witch Rayn does not take it that far. Alpha because he started captivating with some red flags has been a big contributor for the shit town culture of d1 and d2. Again I stand by that if somehow he was town. His game has already allowed him an out which he throws out ready to go.. again. Town might like this because it feels good yet who else is doing this? Fuckn no one else because it's scummy and defensive instead of solving the game. I'm not sure why koshi thought alpha rage fuxk you was legit. The post was clearly manicured which completely goes against the idea of rage. Alphazero is my top scum read. I don't know who he is partnered with. Probably one of dmb or vivax. I don't know how to choose. I agree with sandroba here who agrees with trfel that dmb could be beneficial to take out regardless of alignment when you to the last scum. Not this lynch. Lastly Scott who is controversial. I spent this morning reviewing past game. Firstly his games are really low post count yet even going to d4 mafia in some his style/meta is very clear.. Again read this through eyes of town once I flip. Scott is town. His mafia game is fundamentally very different and more narrative driven. Yes Scott has shifted since n2 and I believe it's completely town plausible based on: 1. He feels vindicated with sandroba lynch 2. Was assuming less heat in him accordingly 3. Felt more puzzle pieces in place to solve game It's a natural confidence boost. The mental state 12 hrs ago no idea.. like trfel i ignore it I will vote alpha for those who see the light I have no response for Rayn. I'm town I've been completely honest with him and he is tunneled. I don't have the time to prove to him I'm town so here I burn.. like it doesn't matter what I say to Rayn. He won't take it I and accept. Rayn again because of this. I believe you are town. Yep that's the type of player I look at you as even though yes I respect you are very good. [B##vote: alphazero[/b] The alpha push pull plus mason logs combination should not be ignored. | ||
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I wake up 4-6hrs before lynch on a Saturday I'm have committed too much time to this game and will be with family so I can't influence an outcome My only time is today and I see it as futile I'm moving on with my life. Take that as NAI if you will Don't care. No one has offended me vivax such that I would host it personally. it's a bloody game. It was insulting for Rayn to take my contributions to bringing people like oats on board working with other town. Maybe he felt the same way when I mentioned his contribution to sandroba. But I mean.i wouldn't leave a game for that. I genuinely feel this is a witch hunt and Rayn will keep peppering me constantly and I just won't give time to address Hopefully I'm not forgotrem after flip. Alphazero Best meme I can think of is like jafar in alladin to the sultan Or a set of stalking eyes in the darkness | ||
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On June 14 2024 10:53 Vivax wrote: Meh Mocsta. The post doesn‘t read as genuine as I originally thought. Just chill out, have a wank idk K. C ya for real | ||
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It's not quiting per se There's a nuance I won't defend myself. I have explained why I find it pointless to suggest alt. As it's a huge time commitment and I'm don't see it exhausting my lunch I am still reading though and happy to work with you if you want my thoughts on anything That's about the max committmentim willing to do in this situation I don't see a point discussing az. Like if you feel good he always has a post prepared to defend his actions. That's on you and I highlighted it as my biggest scumread on the game. Anything else. Go ahead | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:27 AlphaZero wrote: of course you would notI'm finding it odd that mocsta 'rage quit' and wasn't going to vote, but then is not actually quitting and is actually still pushing for a vote. I don't think that is a normal town rage quit. ![[image loading]](https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/jafar.jpg) | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:39 Trfel wrote: AlphaZero, you want me to explain why I think Mocsta is town because you disagree right? Not to convince everyone else? I am also willing to vote for scott31337. Whatever seems more reasonable. Re: Scott Mafia game 2015 https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1063&topic_id=474146 A list summary similar to a couple in this game. Note: 1. Celestial is a scum partner that survived end game. Tone is very factual/content and leaves optionality Note. 2. Half the Sky is a scum partner that is a godfather. Scott plays to the setup which applies to a persons preference mafia or town. The mason whisper stuff is largely NAI as a question in itself Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum Half the Sky – she shows intent to solve the game, gives reads, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=32#633 is a good example of trying to solve the game. + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote: I want to give off my reads in case I get shot - From Town to null - Tubesock- He’s actively trying to solve the game. A good insomnia post of his - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#659 with good reads. Half the Sky – she shows intent to solve the game, gives reads, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=32#633 is a good example of trying to solve the game. Rsolutin – Asking questions, trying to steer us in the right direction, warning others about bluefishing (a scummy trait) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=14#278 – --slight town Exo_ - Seems to be reading and solving and giving his reads as well - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#641 – slight town Scum – In order from least to most scummy Jarjarbinks – Although he is giving reads, He’s a mixed bag with a lot of fluff. null/scum lean for now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=43#851 Silverarte – Asks a bunch of questions without responding to ones they are asked. Trying to fly under the radar. Leaning scum Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum The Shining – scum – refuses to move his vote for both mislynches, tries to lay under the radar, says he’s solving the game but is not. Lets see how scott refers to sandroba this game N1 when sandroba was not a wagon for D2 https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=2238&topic_id=625928 Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2024 10:59 scott31337 wrote: Scotty's magic N1 post So - first - Now I know scum had to have seen this and someone put it in their chat. And I have two theories - 1. Mocsta is the JK and will protect someone tonight (Said oats in the post) I think this is the most realistic answer - but I do have some doubts. I believe Mocsta will get shot tonight. 2. Mocsta fakeclaimed Now Koshi has been going after Mocsta since he joined. The other thing I want to ask this day also Koshi - And afterwards, you still call him mafia. So if you read his filter, you saw the post - and you still want to lynch him. So that tells me something. And I'm willing to listen. Order list - not lynching today Trfel - Probably still top town. Still thinking things out even at night. I hope he was protected. Very curious who he wants to go after today also. Koshi - I townread Rsoultin and I really townread Koshi. I want to hear Koshi's thoughts on the above first. raynpelikoneet - He's asking questions and thinking about the game as well. I did read Trfel's post on him though and is worth reviewing. Oatsmaster Oats is playing a lot different than his last game, and he also seems to be investigating/scumhunting. Mocsta - I still feel he's town. Depending on Koshi, this could obviously change. Vivax He's been acting a little weird N1, but has some good posts here and there. Weaker die_meatbaby - I'm still townleaning DMB, and the Vivax/DMB posting feels TvT to me. But you need to step it up and scumhunt today. marvellosity - This is so tough. I don't know any recent marv games, but back in the day when we played, he was very timid as scum. This marv is not. But this marv also comes up with indifferent scumreads and is in the bed with AZ. So weird. Would lynch order Sandroba - enough said. There hasn't been any new posts from Sandroba from my last one. Alakaslam Filter is very meh. Marv townread, AZ townread, scumread me. Had one okay post and the rest has not been. AlphaZero A very good player that has my spider senses on alert. A few other townies have a bit of suspicion also on him, but not enough to really matter yet. I'm very curious of who he goes after today. here is another mafia game 1yr later where he seems to have IRL issues but there is one post again similar to his style of summary/catchip in this game https://tl.net/forum/mafia/498066-haunted-mansion-mini-mafia?page=16#303 + Show Spoiler + On November 25 2015 14:55 scott31337 wrote: Allright, so I'm thinking the FF smurf thing is NAI - I'm glad it got the conversation started though. Please don't encourage the Koshi - I don't know how many games of his that you have read of his, but, ........ Is this the post you are referring to GB? I'm just not seeing it for being a scumread - I see there's a lot of fluff there, he comes up with a superweak conclusion - is that what you are referring to? Ninja'd This makes more sense - I wouldn't throw him in the scumpile for it or anything yet, but I see your point, and it sounds like you are trying to critically think about the game.. I like it so far. Well, in a vanilla game, it's kind of a given, eh? i find the style much more narrative driven ->which makes sense as he is working within known information comapred to for example from this game: https://tl.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1000&topic_id=625928 + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2024 05:46 scott31337 wrote: This is defintely on my mind as well... What kind of rainbows would you like to see? This was something I noted as well, and one of the reasons I would like to lynch Kelsi3r for the time being. He has not posted since you wrote this message either. The timing was AZ going after me and changing his vote to someone else. This would be better read in context (post link) instead of filter. I still am lost about the "Vivax read" stuff. What town agenda is this from? It's extremely rare you find two mafia D1. And I know I'm town. Like to me posting this is just muddying the waters and shitting in it. the point of this is to show that scotts game is a more focused version when scum. i just dont see him and sandroba bussing that hard even though scott had low cred as a wagon d1 candidate. to conclude this is a possibility i think is ignoring the simplest answer, in that sandroba found a logical inconsistency to attack with 'truth' which you are always seeking for as mafia. | ||
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On June 14 2024 14:43 Trfel wrote: thats fine .. the game has been draining and i just cant force myself to re-read it.I'm sorry Mocsta, I know you just said you don't want to talk about AlphaZero but can I at least make sure I am understanding you correctly? You say AlphaZero is mafia because he always has an explanation that defends his actions? Also, do you think die_meatbaby or scott31337 might be mafia? Sorry I know it's probably in your filter but I am worn out Lets not say X guarantees Y as per your simplfied statement (re: AZ) Im saying that is a "always having an explanation in writing" is a contributor to being "mafia" then theres other factors as well, such as - the low committment with sandroba, such that others like me and even rayn mentalised AZ to townread sandroba; - there is the pursuit of policy lynches guised up as not playing the game right way; - and i cant remember whatelse if the bussing query is a pressing item, then it should not be ignored that AZ was masoned with Rayn as well. Its not a point i would ever press as mandatory, but should be taken into consideration as optional. i do not consider scott scum. His meta is very limited, yet I think is telling enough. I don't see his more direct approach this cycle a reflection of scum trying to close out the game; rather, he feels vindicated by sandroba being off his neck (that he in his filter has pushed since d1) & that the game is one step closer to being solved. DMB. i dont have a read. or know how to read I'm inclined to think town, purely because Sandroba sheeped you onto DMB when rayn started the sandroba case Like. why sheep onto a scum counter-wagon that was likely to cop heat given DMBs overall cred I mean.. look. i know its been pointed out that sandroba did not ask any questions, yet there is a clear progression from the start that DMB was scummy.. *maybe* sandroba wanted to be consistent.. i just don't buy it In short, i might be like 55% leaning town for DMB.. it could be realistic one scum sits in DMB/Slam and i have no idea how to read either. On June 11 2024 05:06 sandroba wrote: Wow, I like this analysis, the high incidence of the excuses and the not knowing what to do theory explains her mindset from a mafia perspective very neatly. Furthermore I am inclined to agree with the argument that she even somehow townie we won't even be in a better spot to figure out her alignment, as opposed to koshi and rayn, who although are very high ev lynch we can assume our accuracy on them as the days go by will increase. Let's drive this one home. ##unvote ##vote: dmb Sandroba has 4 posts talking about DMB prior but never to DMB At the time of Sandroba DMB vote: On June 11 2024 04:09 sandroba wrote: I mean koshi + rayn makes too much sense. The random town reads, the weird interactions, it all fits! I think trfel is right about dmb being the third as well. On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote: Listen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake. On June 11 2024 00:06 sandroba wrote: I'm around page 70, the beginning of N1. My worldview right now is: Town: trfel mocsta oats scott Likely town: vivax AZ Mafia is here: rsoul, rayn, dmb, slam On June 08 2024 03:16 sandroba wrote: I'm not over scott. That single post by dmb then fucking off does look really bad, could get behind that. Rayn liking your terrible reasoning without knowing what it is also moves him away from my townie lean | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:06 Trfel wrote: Mocsta, why would you ever post like that >< If I go to any of those links it quotes it in a TL.net post preview. C'mom man, I just wanted to read what you had to say In all seriousness though, I'll try and work through that. I appreciate it. AlphaZero, I get that. Did my discussion with Mocsta about your alignment have any effect on your read of Mocsta? awww man. didnt realise. that sucks badly.. copy for next time | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:29 Alakaslam wrote: BingoBut wait day 2 right? Kelsier was day 1? | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:32 Trfel wrote: That's fair and understandable. Read your first post. I respect the work you put into it but I'm honestly not sure if there is a distinct difference that I would put a lot of confidence in. This may be due to my aversion to meta reads though. I just don't like to clear someone if I am not 100% sure. I've seen so many games go awry due to clearing someone for poor reasons and then making up reasons to find other people mafia as a result. Imo if you just keep most people on the table and look for reasons to suspect people instead of reasons to clear people, you're better off. I think the most important part was the last paragraph about sandroba this game though? Do you disagree? | ||
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The way I weigh up his filter and sandroba interactions I like as town I mean let's be real. The guy has been in the block for one week non stop. The game has been so disjointed it would be easy to throw votes around. That's my perception personally So much low hanging fruit and sandroba was there only because of afk I combine those things and it's hard for me to say he is suspicious which makes him a town read for me | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:41 Trfel wrote: yeahi agree about voting early in the day -> you are talking about optionality.. and to me, AlphaZero goes about optionality slightly differently.I think it makes sense in the context that sandroba probably didn't expect to go afk for so long. I think it's quite reasonable for mafia to vote a partner early in a day tbh. If they can defend themselves, great, just say their defense makes sense and you changed your mind! If not, you have an early bus, and they probably weren't surviving anyway. Scott31337 being mafia doesn't feel right to me so I am open to that being wrong. I do have a little more confidence in the die_meatbaby vote. i mean, i know people say they dont understand my read progressions. yet, this is completely different to AZ where people distill his sandroba read as town, even though he has posts to defend he thought sandroba was scummy the actions do not line up with the words & it is the actions that i believe led people like me (maybe rayn) to mentalise that az townread sandroba | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:53 Trfel wrote: damn right its a reason to be suspicious of anyone whose words dont match behaviours. that applies in real-life and in this game we call mafia.I'm sorry, could I ask for clarification about what you mean here? Is this supposed to be a reason to suspect AlphaZero? Is it because he says things about being suspicious about sandroba but also is defending sandroba? Because that wasn't my interpretation of what happened tbh. we all saw in d1 how calculated alphazero can be with his approach to [b]command[/b[ attention. the expectations for words and behaviour *should* be higher for az than in comparison to for example slam its inexcusable that a player who command attention can have multiple people misread his intentions in such a push-pull way. Again, i stress this is not the same as me. with me, people do not understand how i connect A to Y (chose now to right Z for AZ lol) And yeah, i tsbecause clearly i seem to skip every letter inbetween and go ta-da I'm not accusing AlphaZero of that at all. I am accusing him that the pathway from A to B to C is too clean, meticulous and curated Thats not town play. | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:56 Trfel wrote: Also @Mocsta, if at any time you want to focus on work or family or other things I completely get it and respect that. I don't want to interfere with your life, you've already put a lot of time into this game with a 19 page filter and lots of analysis and all. While I appreciate the help, I don't want to interfere with other things you have going on. kids come home in an hour and then thats it i wake up, enjoy the morning and see who gets voted i do hope its not me but will be what it is appreciate you took the time to talk to me and help me to show my thought process to the others i needed that. thank you | ||
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On June 14 2024 15:59 Koshi wrote: i dont want to be an outstander like last voteLook guys. We need to kill the girl. It's simple. Tomorrow we decide if it is AZ/Mocsta/Scott as third. I said it before. Kill small fishes first. trfel is my best town read, and im going to sheep him today if he chooses to vote me, i will stick with az | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:14 Trfel wrote:Complete side note but... what if something stupid happened, like sandroba saw his role PM and was like, "this sucks, I don't want to play as mafia" so he went to his mafia chat and was like, "hey guys I don't want to play as mafia, I'm gonna do next to nothing, just bus me" and then rsoultin busses him and we're so bad that we still don't lynch him and eventually sandroba flips and there are a lot of associative reasons to townread mafia members, just because sandroba didn't want to play as mafia? you've made your point very clear and I do agree. I don't mean to say that this is particularly likely, but I'd also say it's far from impossible, no? Maybe it's just me being bad at associate reads but I'd much, much, much rather read people mostly based on their own play. I just think there are so many fewer ways to screw it up. In that regard, slam/dmb i just dont know how to read. removing any associations, dmb play this game makes me want to lynch her which is what im finding hard to reconcile, as what i recall are her tunnel focuses have not resolved. again, removing associations, i find AZ scummy as fuck. yes, you've been really good to highlight to you dont see what im seeing. i dunno, could i be tunneled? Maybe, i dont think i should feel the way i do about another townie though. i dont mean to be disrespectful, its possibly a life experience thing but thats way too broad an assumption? i dunno. as im not really sure how to describe it further without resulting in accusations that could genuinely be insulting and are not intended as such. I guess I thought AlphaZero's stance on sandroba was pretty clear, but maybe I'm somehow the only one? I have a really hard time thinking about this as AlphaZero's fault instead of the rest of yours though, tbh. i dont know what you mean by fault? my distillation of how az is playing?Again, i cant figure out the impasse we have to figure out how to adjust the message. My recollection is along the lines of: AZ: Sandroba is an F-Tier scum read --> is that not lock scum? AZ: Sandroba has posted dont lynch today -> why does it matter.. what was posted that was relevant to adjust read AZ: if sandroba is afk, then mafia how can this be anything but advocating for a policy (inactivity) lynch? -> that is within sandrobas power to control. do not forget, this applies to a F-tier read.. i mean.. c'mon. even i dont go out of my way to avoid voting someone like this Unless that's not what you're saying, I'm a little confused because for the first 2/3 of the post you seem to be saying that AlphaZero is scummy because he failed to communicate his view on flipped mafia sandroba in a way that others can understand, and in the last 1/3 you seem to be saying that his play is too clean and that makes it look fake. I guess I'm just not sure which one it is, or is it both? But they seem a little mutually exclusive, no? i dunno what else to say.. what is sleight of hand?look at my left hand, whilst my right hand does something different. then lets all laugh together and enjoy the magic. AZ defends the D2 lynch and is quick fire to post that he indeed had a scumread on sandroba (i really hope this is correct as my memory is hazy now) That the left hand.. but what is the right hand doing? The votes say the right hand joined me on Rayn.. fuck DMB wagon.. why rayn which could have been a legit counter wagon to Sandroba at one point - and is a part of why rayn talks about about sandroba wagon being so hard (i hope at least) You are being razzle dazzled because AlphaZero is able to plug gaps that give you a sense of solving the game, but its all about him. I dont know what else to say.Maybe some super analytical players can backup every decision as clean as AlphaZero, yet i find you to be significantly more analytical than Alpha, and somehow have a messier filter.. how does this come about? This is all with associatives removed. If i add the associatves, the rayn mason log i think is important as it restricts a lot of freedom AZ has, because rayn has separate dialogue going on and potentially is even the main cause of push-pull i identified.. obviously this is too imaginary for you to walk along with me, so ignore as you need. Also, I really wouldn't recommend sheeping me, I have no idea what's what. You have been much more present and involved than I have for a while now, trust yourself. You're more than capable, you've got this. presence isnt related to finding mafia.my point is, i dont want to throw my vote away again. i respect the way you are going about the game and thats why i said what i did. | ||
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On June 14 2024 16:34 AlphaZero wrote: twas not expecting thatScott is 1000000% mafia. im less sure on mocsta. he is like 60% | ||
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appreciate you talking it out with me im scooting now will see where you are voting closer to deadline and make a decision from there | ||
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Sandroba / dmb /vivax can work Az, trfel put a thought that has lingered in my mind I do agree with trfel we were collaborating How did you change your read on me? It seemed to come about after my n2 case. At least from my perspective. | ||
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I need to filter dive to come.up.with a question For now.. who is partnered with az? | ||
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On June 09 2024 08:41 die_meatbaby wrote: Tbr i would like to lynch az. Also I hate the first lynch after it it always gets easier. Most of the time lynch 1 is misslynch anway. I am stucking at work with a group of austrian mafia, good that tomorrow they are gone. Scott i don't really townread you but for now I don't want to lynch, I rather take K who is more inactiv and I think it would be a more logical lynch. I am really sorry for beeing this inactiv today. Tomorrow I will be here ##vote k Hi dmb You thought the d1 wagon was town town mislynch and threw out as You have some banter with rsoultin about az and talk about him immediately giving you cold on the neck What specifically was scummy for you with az day1 Supporting quotes would be handy | ||
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On June 09 2024 12:09 die_meatbaby wrote: I don't get the.obsessiin with azhow about giving a look on ninja rayn or az This is maybe the 10th post I have seen you imply he is scummy and I'm only up to you in n1 But you haven't asked a single question or.queried him.yet you do this with players that are not scum reads Why is this? | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:02 die_meatbaby wrote: that was so early on d2 at that time people where still on vivax wagon. Me too btw because I saw nobody was interested in that so i stay with wagons town decided to have. becuase when i make a only vote on somebody I am scum as well. What I have learned because of you But vivax was a scum.read in that list? | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:03 AlphaZero wrote: I will be voting dmb most likelyCurrently I have Scott Mocsta, vivax and dmb on my wagon. The most scummy wagon possible. Feels good. And somehow Mocsta is being the most reasonable of the three and he literally wrote a ragequit post. This game is hard because everyone looks trash. I just need.to.process what that means for you What you wrote for read transition on me seemed quite reasonable and I hadn't considered somehow that snadroba flip could have impacted your read on me yet it's completely fair | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:55 die_meatbaby wrote: no. It's that you have been as accurate as Nostradamus yet no filter posts to back up how you derived the conclusionsThe only thing thats makes me look like scum is not beeing sure about Vivax alignment and it pisses me off. Tmi | ||
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On June 14 2024 21:26 AlphaZero wrote: I was expecting koshi to be shotKoshi could be mafia because he is kind of subtly trying to pit me and Rayn against each other here. Usually this guy likes to fork town circles. Unless I’m completely pocketed I think Rayn town. So he is kind of undermining collaboration here. He’s also kind of doing it on a broader level with changing reads all the time. Just noting for later. I'm really surprised by the oats kill,.no disrespect to oats there either. Note, I see reasons koshi could do that as town as well. Especially if he foresees a mafia!Rayn or az lunch being extremely difficult to achieve. I'm somewhat warming up to you associatively 1. Trfel stuff today 2. Your change on me is plausible 3. Associatively i'm imagining a world where mafia!dmb is comfortable dropping 'heat' on town!az because you are a Smurf I can drop this in pursuit of #3 Dmb is playing too scummy to be scum and has to be lynched - filter reads disengaged throughout - filter is conclusions, no method to reach conclusion - filter is confident on all things flipped.kelsier and sandroba and I suspect Scott I just feel bad Cos it was literally a pile on 1 hr a go. I hope she's willing to play again I really.do ##unvote ##vote: dmb | ||
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On June 14 2024 23:01 Vivax wrote: It's not impossibleI‘m assuming they could be a team so he busses one while pushing the CW | ||
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On June 14 2024 23:04 Vivax wrote: I have given all I can to trfel regarding azI assume if you are voting mocsta and say you‘re town you should be trying to pick him apart not dmb How about comment on that instead? I take it you are town reading dmb to say this? Which makes.me confused as I thought you meant before dmb could be mafia with az? Am.i mistaken? | ||
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On June 14 2024 23:09 Vivax wrote: But that can change. I think Az is triangulating here What do you mean? Is Scott is the triangle? I'm taken slightly back you think me and dmb or Me and az could be a duo Maybe me and dmb There's like no way me and az can be mafia/mafia There's no upside to have it's been playing out | ||
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Vivax so you're telling me If dmb filter was a smurf You would read the past couple pages and go. Dayam that's townie as fuck? | ||
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On June 14 2024 23:19 Vivax wrote: Ok yet I am.syruggling to computeNo I think all the fuckfucks flying around are a good sign they’re nervous Vivax left hand = dmb is nervous -> implies scummy Vivax right hand = mocsta you shouldn't vote dmb. Press az instead I can't reconcile this? | ||
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On June 14 2024 23:38 Vivax wrote: well it could be read either way (me.or az) in particular as you said I could be a bus or maybe I misremember already..super tired. Thanks for clarifying thoughI was talking about az voting you but pushing dmb you git On June 14 2024 23:04 Vivax wrote: I assume if you are voting mocsta and say you‘re town you should be trying to pick him apart not dmb | ||
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On June 15 2024 00:05 scott31337 wrote: I switched before I saw a vote countI'm still down for AZ if anyone wants to come back, but I'm skeptical. Although I was happy DMB switched. I was thinking last night, who could I possibly convince? Maybe DMB maybe Koshi. I didn't think Mocsta would change though. Although Mocsta did once AZ was ahead. Hmmm I have a couple hours and then I'll be doing secondary job stuff until a few hours before deadline. I thought I still had 5 Not that it matters or is proveable If you think I'm scummy for switching on your tunneled read that's nuts I didn't say I said tunneled because there's 2 players left Yeah I get az is your preference, but I have some doubts which you can agree or disagree with Like .. you need to explain please why you are ok dmb jumped on az I take it you are caught up Do you townread dmb based on past few pages? | ||
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Alpha should still be lynched as it stands as he would be first to 3 Obviously any vote movement to others will change that | ||
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On June 15 2024 06:35 Trfel wrote: He's in the pool.fo shoAnyone else think Vivax is mafia? | ||
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Calling me a bus with AZ. I..e dmb town Then 12 min later yeah dmb could be nervous which infers scum The couples dilemma has weighed on my mind yet the way the two have both gone about it is so peculiar. No true effort from either to discern alignment in a thread transparent way. On June 14 2024 23:07 Vivax wrote: Well tbf I was thinking you‘re the bus and dmb is the cw On June 14 2024 23:19 Vivax wrote: No I think all the fuckfucks flying around are a good sign they’re nervous | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:10 Trfel wrote: i will listen to you about vivaxOh, look at the timing. Seriously, can we lynch someone else? I'm sorry for being bad but I will try and compensate by being random and unpredictable and catching mafia off guard at least. going to have a look now how his sandroba progressions went | ||
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On June 11 2024 18:17 Vivax wrote: im struggling to reconcile thisI might come around. I just really dislike having sandro as mafia early because he‘s n1 or n2 kill material. wouldnt this be awesome as town.. if hes still around, hes scum. easy/simple this is the second time i can think of that vivax has said something that come across like a memoir dmb pointed out the other one theres fuck all sandroba stuff before this point too he does slightly attack sandroba once --> but its based on association with kelsier | ||
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On June 12 2024 09:19 Vivax wrote: @vivax.. what has changed between d2 vote and d3They‘re definitely putting on a fight here. But I know that‘s a bad argument. you were all good to vote off dmb before? | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:22 Vivax wrote: I‘d rather lynch powerful people first but at one point your scum team as rayn/kosh/dmb/slam did you prioritise rayn and koshi scum hunting? i really cant remember much of what you write, as was shocked you are 27p | ||
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On June 14 2024 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am uncomfortable how simply rayn has dropped his vote off me to get dmbno i am voting for mocsta who is 100% mafia. why not continue to push me as a lynch | ||
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i get he doesnt have to stop anyone pushing, and thats probably a good thing to scum hunt its more the end line which implies he would let it go to majority? am i reading too much into this? On June 14 2024 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think AZ is town. On June 14 2024 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: [/i]For the record i am not gonna stop anyone pushing ii]"AZ. You did the same to me to me D2, letting me take all the shit and no help other than Koshi (and Oats). You may have all the shit today, we'll see where we end up. | ||
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On June 15 2024 07:59 Trfel wrote: wait.. whats different to the sandroba lynch?The lack of activity suggests to me that die_meatbaby is town. I would now like to lynch scott31337 or Vivax instead. that was settled 5hrs before deadline | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:36 die_meatbaby wrote: no one is lynching you for inactivityI will filter scott fast again. I am still to unsure of vivax and actually would prefer to lynch me for less activity then him, because if he is really town he could help you all later better then I could. Rayn is always gets nk when he is town or at least in the last few games I have played with him. If he is not getting nk soon. He is maybe scum, but for now also not my prefered lynch you need to stop with this "please pity me" thing | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:39 Trfel wrote: Before the day 2 deadline: 30 minutes/page 1 hour/page 20 minutes/page 40 minutes/page 20 minutes/page 40 minutes/page 40 minutes/page 12 minutes/page 30 minutes/page I think you see my point? Compared to here, until I posted that I wanted a different lynch: 3 hours/page 2 hours/page 2 hours/page thats compelling farq ##unvote im going to stew on this if im not going dmb, im not prepared for vivax today i dont think there is enough support its either scott or az.. unfortunatley we have 180 reads on both | ||
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im going to back myself and vote az i need this resolved ##vote: AlphaZero c'mon scott/vivax join me | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:51 die_meatbaby wrote: kinda looks weard to me that scott is always in the safe vote wagon. Like always to the one were are more people at. | ||
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On June 15 2024 08:39 Trfel wrote: @trfel you are a legendBefore the day 2 deadline: 30 minutes/page 1 hour/page 20 minutes/page 40 minutes/page 20 minutes/page 40 minutes/page 40 minutes/page 12 minutes/page 30 minutes/page I think you see my point? Compared to here, until I posted that I wanted a different lynch: 3 hours/page 2 hours/page 2 hours/page this is truth. looks whats come out of the woodwork wtf | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote: For me it’s not the worst if I get mislynched. It would def help me irl. Just please lynch vivax and Scott afterwards. And lynch whoever out of koshi and Rayn if either are alive at lylo holy shit.. wow wow wow ughhhhh theres no way mafia says this.. only i can know this because i know im town ##unvote i need to process this. going to leave game for a bit | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:08 scott31337 wrote: there's zero benefitYou really don't think he has the ability to do this? He has a filter that clearly supports him going all in on me right now Let's say he was lynched as mafia. Theres still enough sentiment where people think we bussed each other Nah I reject this coming from mafia | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have given my reasoning for why Mocsta is mafia and i don't really care that much anymore because i am talking to bunch of rocks, so i am just gonna see what is the best options of what is "available". Already spent too much time D2 talking about why obvious mafia is obvious mafia, and even that almost went to waste. If people wanna throw the game be my guest. I am not staying up until 5am every day just to get ignored asnd called stupid. Hmm didn't realize this deadline was so bad for you Sorry to hear mate N3 it would be good for you to catch up | ||
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At worst (town) it will help change the trajectory for dmb which may be pivotal. Is next lynch possibly mylo? At best, (scum) it will help bring clarity to town at war (like Rayn to me) ##vote: vivax | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote: It's nothing to do with thatYou realize I stopped sheeping rayn on you yes ? Your play with trfel now is wank talkkeen to respond but not substantiate Vivax.. me want the jizz There's no jizz | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:34 scott31337 wrote: I was reading the thread here and there and then had a long work phone call. I'm done with work now Ahhh sat for me. Maybe Friday for you Will you be doing one your summary catch up posts at some stage? I want to know how your reads have progressed with all this chaos Even if the outcome.is the same.. there is new info to reinforce or destabilize | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:43 scott31337 wrote: Depends if we lynch mafia or AZ. If we lynch mafia and AZ is left, it's pointless, because it'll basically be "Lynch AZ Tomorrow GG Town" If I believe it'll be helpful, Yes I will. I can't follow that If vivax is scum Then town need to evaluate if sandroba/vivax/az pairing fits how 230pages have unfolded | ||
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On June 15 2024 09:54 AlphaZero wrote: no. It is a concerning observation for me tooDoes anyone know why town Scott refuses to reevaluate his reads? | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:16 die_meatbaby wrote: guys is this really mafia? Is this fake? There's still no jizz | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:18 Trfel wrote: I don't see.itSo I don't believe in scumslips but did you just slip that this is a mislynch? Dmb frame.is.ita a mislynch | ||
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On June 15 2024 10:27 Vivax wrote: And 7) Scott might be painfully aware of what I was doing and is avoiding to have an opinion But I think he‘s blue tbh Hmm I thought it was koshi | ||
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On June 15 2024 11:14 AlphaZero wrote: Hahaha I’m going to be mislynched next probably. This is a loss. 5-2 if nk lands Not yet mylo One of rayn/koshi has to be shot this cycle | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:16 Trfel wrote: I'm preparing my mind to become confirmation biased when I start my rereadSure, I think he's mafia. You? Lol That aside His approach to eod3 lynch was questionable And certainly one of the lurkers that coincidentally timed activity with a vote swap I look at this game and what's the summary? There's been arguing every single cycle There's been ignoring every single cycle Mafia can kick that off. But can't be the source for that to continue snowball This combination of town is doing that this game Associatively it's relevant because scum have no reason to stick the head out when everyone is in fighting In that regard it's highly likely those consistently present can only be town, which also ties in with vivax This game is either a fuckn one in million dual bus via Rayn/koshi and everyone remembers it 10years later... Or It's the more likely case that scum never had thread control and are outliers. I.e. Scott Slam Dmb | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:22 Trfel wrote: he didn't help himself with all the politicsAlso it's kinda funny, if you lynch someone you have a whisperer chat with, you can keep using it, but they can't say anything back. This would be useful if I were mafia, I could taunt Vivax and rub it in his face and he couldn't do anything about it But as it is, all I can do is apologize for being bad. Ah well. Maybe I'm bad town for saying this If he did his list post of 6 points before he was going back and forth with you. It would be ok The problem is. The way he went about trying to save dmb always had too much drama in to be sure if town motivated.. could just be IRL which feels mafia as it's not town either | ||
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Slams reads have evolved. Scott and dmb have been static all cycles Alpha has sorta been static too but certainly has adjusted weighting as game has gone too which is a big differrence | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:31 Trfel wrote: so if you dive one player and can't readYeah, I had been more inclined to switch to scott31337 then Vivax. But Vivax posted and scott31337 didn't, unfortunately Vivax's posts made me want to lynch him more. I want to at least respect Vivax's reads, particularly die_meatbaby being mafia. But die_meatbaby being mafia doesn't make perfect sense to me? Like it's far from unreasonable, but it doesn't make me feel like the game is coming together, you know? Like one of those puzzle pieces that kinda fits but you're kinda forcing it and you're just not sure it's the right one. I've been in die_meatbaby's filter for over an hour now and I haven't made any progress towards figuring it out. Is that more likely town or Mafia? I would say as a heuristic If actively engaged, it's more.often town Does dmb read as actively engaged? | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:34 Trfel wrote: Well feeds into her being unlynchable so farNot only are you sure die_meatbaby was mafia but you also know she's the roleblocker? That's next level. | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:39 Trfel wrote: I had considered oats was a big shot....Honestly, this is a weird situation for me. Usually when I spend a lot of time in someone's filter, I get a decent idea. Maybe it's wrong but I at least have a theory, you know? Maybe I differ from others but I don't value mafia roles very highly. IMO you play to keep the player in a better position alive every single time, regardless of who has which role. If they happen to have a good role, that's just a bonus.Side note, I can't help but noticing that this setup includes potential for a mafia vigilante. I've never seen it actually happen but theoretically, mafia could be saving a vigilante shot, and then if we mislynch tomorrow, use it to close out the game without actually going to LYLO. That'd be brutal. So slightly different order to what you said | ||
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On June 10 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote: this Scott town case on one post still holds though1) In the nested quote you see him playfully attacking Tfrel. Which is difficult to do as mafia. It has a good balance between get off me, + applying pressure to Tfrel to gauge a reaction. 2) Seeing the scumslip here is more likely to come from town reading and interpreting things to a maximum. As mafia things like this are way harder to do on the fly, if one is really good at playing mafia maybe it is possible, but the last part "I know I am town" is an unnecessarily lie at the end to make as mafia. I can't even explain properly why he added it at the end, but I think he tries to be witty with the truth but butchers the joke a bit. 3) He overestimates his own contributions to the thread but again, I can see a townie scott believing he is driving the town into victory more than a mafia scott bluffing. (I will quote some more but this analysis should be teached at schools.) | ||
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On June 15 2024 15:51 Trfel wrote: mafia vig..that was what were talking aboutMafia vigilante you mean? Or town vigilante? I really really wouldn't expect Oatsmaster to have been shot by a town vigilante. There's extremely little reason to shoot Oatsmaster there, and typically, the town vigilante claims after shooting. It just feels incredibly unlikely, not worth considering, and even if somehow this is what happened, the vigilante will eventually let us know. If it's a mafia vigilante, how would we know? What happened to the night kill? Also, why would the mafia vigilante shoot Night 2, of all nights? Like if we end up having a way to have blocked a night kill, maybe it's worth considering. But idk. I've never actually seen a mafia vigilante hold their shot, I guess the thinking is that it's too risky because if something happens and you get lynched it'd be bad? I just think it'd be absolutely devastating to town to save the shot and use it to avoid LYLO if you are in the position to do so. Also a mafia vigilante in a 13 player game would be a weird choice. So I'm probably just being paranoid. But it's right there in the setup... Makes me want to just get two mafia lynches and avoid LYLO tbh. If there was no mafia vigilante possible, I'd be happy to mislynch of course | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:05 Trfel wrote: lets explore this further becauseHonestly I think it makes him look more town. Not necessarily due to the fact that he threw away his vote itself, but the reasoning. He voted for me for fishing for thread sentiment, apparently. Seems weird, but I think it's a risky stance to take as mafia. Why would you vote for someone who isn't going to be lynched if you are mafia, and stand out from the rest? Just feels like you're drawing extra attention to yourself and extra risk for no reason. What if I turned on him, for example? Plus it means that if he is mafia, he didn't care about his vote. So if he's mafia, it's probably not with any of the Day 3 lynch candidates. i went through the timing of the vote, and then all the related posts around that time (circa p229) and if it is direclty related to you, you had that post with the page count before deadline; and another one to vivax. it makes no sense to me as you point out. too weird/unpredictable to be scum is fair from this dimension. But what if his vote didnt matter at the point in time (because this was *before* the chaos erupted) On June 15 2024 08:54 Grackaroni wrote: he already has a dead vote on scottDay Three Vote Count die_meatbaby (5): Koshi, AlphaZero (3); Scott31337 (1): Mocsta (0): wagons are dmb and az.. how does slam read these 2? slam seems to be quite aligned with az as early as June 10 and has maintained a pretty consistent tone and re-quoting in agreement through; so completley plausible that slam wont vote Alphazero. What about DMB? June 13 Null On June 13 2024 16:44 Alakaslam wrote: How is DMB not null? I can't make head or tails of her, and, well, that may not be saying much actually. however, here he states he wont vote dmb this was good. slams actions / behaviours are congurent and i think reasonable. his vote wasnt necessary to finalise a wagon so why vote players he didnt believe were scummy. when he did think they were scummy (like me) he dropped on pretty quick, so the counter-case is true as well. i agree, town qualities shining through and through | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:30 Trfel wrote: I'm getting tired, but can I ask about Vivax's reasons to suspect die_meatbaby? Is it accurate that Vivax's actions greatly contributed to getting die_meatbaby through the lynch? To be honest I hadn't thought of this as the case, but if this is true I think it's a strong point. Looking at page 228+, Vivax was the third one to consider a wagon change (after me and Mocsta) and the first one to unvote die_meatbaby. I guess then it becomes subjective, how much did Vivax actually contribute, I'm curious what people's impressions of this are? I think this is a reasonable point tbh. But it's subjective and it'd be great to hear others' thoughts. I'm not sure what Vivax's point 5 about Mocsta "ignoring the relationship component" (post #4736) is about? Does anyone know? Maybe tomorrow I can look it up when I have more energy. Looks like Vivax started to get a little more suspicious of AlphaZero after this happened but I'm not sure if there is much to make of that. trfel vivax wanted to save dmb he didnt know it would mean counterwagoning himself he sacrified himself for love .. point 5 is about him commenting on the torment he is having in this game with dmb it emotionally connected to me as authentic.. i think i surmised it as a jedi meditatining in prep for the final battle. i later drop this read because the actions werent following through, and in fact, had a change of heart per the end of day 3 antics. | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:19 Trfel wrote: really tinfoil point no3. but you know its trueI'm actually pretty surprised to see that die_meatbaby voted for scott31337, even if only for 12 minutes. I'm not sure if that means anything, but it goes directly against everything die_meatbaby had previously said about scott31337. Post-lynch, die_meatbaby says she's sorry for not believing in Vivax, and that she will find whoever is responsible for the Vivax lynch. But then she says that she'll take a closer look at scott31337 in response to AlphaZero's post. Seems.... off? If she's truly upset about the Vivax mislynch and wants to hold people accountable, wouldn't AlphaZero be one of the first places she'd look? Note that I'm not blaming AlphaZero, everyone's wrong sometimes, and it's at least as much my fault as it is his. But if die_meatbaby is looking for somewhere to put the blame, I wouldn't expect her to follow AlphaZero's read to suspect scott31337, who made it clear he didn't want to vote for Vivax. I think die_meatbaby's alignment is key here. Before I screwed everything up, did we have a wagon on mafia/were mafia bussing? + Show Spoiler [inconclusive analysis] + Before I posted about shenanigans, the vote count was as follows: die_meatbaby (7): Koshi, Trfel, Mocsta, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, Vivax AlphaZero (1): die_meatbaby Mocsta (1): Alakaslam If we assume for the moment that die_meatbaby is mafia, and therefore being bussed, someone in the middle of the votes on die_meatbaby would be the most likely candidate for a mafia partner. This person would also have to be someone who moved off of die_meatbaby easily, but perhaps not someone who was very forceful in moving off of die_meatbaby, if that makes sense? Like someone who is very willing, eager even, to move off of die_meatbaby, but didn't want to make a big deal about it to make it look bad if one of them flips. Is there anyone like that? Scott31337 stayed on die_meatbaby, if they are mafia together then that means I managed to find almost the only way to screw that up, helping a bussed mafia survive a mislynch and even letting mafia stay on mafia for cred. This is a really depressing thought so I hope it's not true. Alakaslam was on Mocsta, and never voted for die_meatbaby. Seems a bit risky for Alakaslam to not bus given the 7-1 vote count, but idk. Unlikely. Raynpelikoneet does fit this description. Mocsta was a bit vocal about not lynching die_meatbaby but I could see this being possible. AlphaZero maybe fits this description as well. Basically it's possible for die_meatbaby to be mafia here based on potential associations, which doesn't say much at all, but I figured it'd be worth a try. Grasping at straws. Voting patterns are a bit weird for day 3, it was a complicated day. We had a lot of votes on Mocsta, then a lot of votes on AlphaZero, then a lot of votes on die_meatbaby, then eventually Vivax. Come to think of it, there's another angle. If die_meatbaby is mafia, she has a mafia buddy, and she and her mafia buddy had to have been bussing mid to late day 2. Would die_meatbaby/raynpelikoneet or die_meatbaby/AlphaZero really bus there? Or even die_meatbaby/Mocsta? I feel like these people have enough influence that they'd be less inclined to bus, in all honesty. I think die_meatbaby/scott31337 going for a bus makes sense. Once again assuming die_meatbaby is mafia: Would AlphaZero have bussed? First thought is that he'd be the most likely of the three to have done so, since he hasn't had the activity to really get his own way. He voted for die_meatbaby late, and wasn't really talking about lynching die_meatbaby, he was discussing other options. I could see this being a bus, in theory. Raynpelikoneet voted out of trust in Koshi. Theoretically I could see this being a bus I suppose. So much for that idea, the candidates match. End result is that die_meatbaby could theoretically be mafia with scott31337, raynpelikoneet, AlphaZero, and maybe Mocsta. Which is enough people that it's not very indicative either way Tried a bunch of shortcuts to see if I could get an easier read on die_meatbaby and they all failed. Guess I have to do it the hard way I just don't really have any good ways to read die_meatbaby. But I also can't end up unsure, I think we really really need to figure this out. Is it possible to look somewhere else and come back to die_meatbaby later? Maybe it'll become more clear? From my perspective, it's either die_meatbaby and scott31337 or we have a very very serious problem. But if I had to guess I'd guess that we have a very serious problem. When I look at die_meatbaby's filter, I see a lot of things I think are wrong. For example, there's the warning to Oatsmaster, there's complaining about other people being inactive, scumreading Mocsta seemingly before seeing that he wasn't the night kill, townreading scott31337 because he looks suspicious as town, etc. But does that mean anything? No one else has been very convinced by these arguments. Well, I've got another little thing.Note that until this point, die_meatbaby's read on scott31337 was town. So if die_meatbaby is considering scott31337 as mafia, can she seriously consider AlphaZero being mafia? Of anyone in the game, I think those two would be the absolutely least likely to be mafia together. If she was more sure in scott31337 being mafia this would be more incriminating, as it is I don't think it's a big deal, but it is interesting that die_meatbaby didn't seem to follow up the questioning over scott31337's alignment. Even if she didn't consider it super urgent, if she's town, she ought to, no? Since it affects her decision between Mocsta and AlphaZero, which is what she was focusing on?Also, what happened here? Die_meatbaby said she'd rather have herself be lynched than Vivax, but clearly she changed her mind? Looks like this happened due to AlphaZero's point about Vivax dumping his scumreads before getting mislynched last time and seemingly not doing so here. I also have no clue why die_meatbaby unvoted from scott31337. Context shows that I said I preferred lynching Vivax to scott31337, then die_meatbaby votes for scott31337, then AlphaZero says he thinks Vivax is more likely mafia than scott31337, then AlphaZero votes for Vivax, raynpelikoneet follows and votes for Vivax, and then die_meatbaby unvotes. Huh? Just doesn't feel like a sensible reaction. My best guess is that die_meatbaby unvoted due to not thinking that scott31337 would be a viable wagon. In this case, however, she'd be choosing to vote between Vivax and AlphaZero, and while I can't say she didn't do this, she didn't mention considering the AlphaZero wagon at all. Feels like she unvoted scott31337 and then.... waited to go onto Vivax for some reason? It's hard for me to know if this makes sense from town or not. For die_meatbaby to be town and do this, she'd have to be investigating scott31337's filter and not be sold on the Vivax lynch, then see support for the scott31337 wagon (that she was convinced enough on to vote for it) go away and then unvote without a new place to put the vote? If die_meatbaby is town and actually cared about scott31337 being lynched, I would have expected her to protest the wagon losing support, or at least leave her vote on it until she found something better, no? Why would she remove her vote when she doesn't seem very excited about any other option and there was no reason to go back on the read in the first place? If that makes sense. It's another little thing that isn't super incriminating, but it's the best I've got. Conclusion More little things. Not sure if any of it makes die_meatbaby mafia, but here it is anyway. 1. Die_meatbaby post Vivax flip said she'd look into scott31337 again but also wanted to hold the people for lynching Vivax responsible (presumably including AlphaZero, who was the one she was responding to about looking into scott31337). This doesn't really make sense from the perspective of someone who knows that AlphaZero contributed significantly to lynching Vivax and also knows that scott31337 didn't do so. As in, if die_meatbaby is aware of these things, which she really ought to be, then I have a hard time seeing how both of these post-flip comments can be made from the same mindset. 2. Die_meatbaby didn't seem to try to figure out scott31337's alignment day 3, despite it being key to other reads she seemed much more interested in. 3. Unvote timing on scott31337 doesn't make much sense you have game bragging rights.. and then in-real life bragging rights town or mafia dmb can gloat over being part of vivax mislynch.. realsitically, only one of these alignments views it as a gloat... perhaps the cards were directly revealed by that very action... i know you hate speculative, yet, that is equaly human nature that cannot and should not be ignored for special cases like that pairing this game. | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:34 Trfel wrote: haha. i wanted to have a level of confidence myself in the readI feel like you were testing me here At least I seem to have passed?i think the one weak part of that anlaysis is accepting the reason to not lynch dmb is adequate i just.. well its slam. im not even going to bother try to understand? so let it go | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:36 Trfel wrote: the main thing i wanted to respond to was the point 5 that you queriedHm? Vivax said he wanted to save die_meatbaby but then after the wagon on him came, he said die_meatbaby was mafia and the turn of events helped him see that. Or is this not what you are referring to? to address your question: vivax and you in-fighiting + timing of mafia happy with dmb, led to alternative wagons forming im saying, vivax had no idea it would land on him --> perhaps back on az unforutnately it landed on vivax, and again, i believe this became possible because of the conflict you two had about DMB. i think during that drowning period of awaiting the lynch he wasnt satisfied with how DMB approached the situation which led him to see the light https://tl.net/forum/mafia/625928-sweet-summer-mafia?page=234#4671 On June 15 2024 09:15 die_meatbaby wrote: @Trfel whats your opinion about everyone here is changing vote? Which vote swapping doesn’t make sense do you. Looks someone more scummy here? This drives me fucking crazy here. On June 15 2024 09:17 Vivax wrote: I only have one question for you. Am I town ? On June 15 2024 09:20 die_meatbaby wrote: I have read many of your games. Green, blue, red.... In none of these games have you ever done as little scumhunting as here... It's not comparable to any game you've ever played. On June 15 2024 09:22 Vivax wrote: Yes or no On June 15 2024 09:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Do I really have to tell what I think of you right now? On June 15 2024 09:24 Vivax wrote: That‘s one wrong answer too much. I think you‘d always have to townread me here. So I‘m voting you again obviously we know vivax is green now and this is legiitmate thought process and evaluation in the moment & should not be ignored either as a valid meta read on DMB | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:43 Trfel wrote: does it?Hm... A few games ago, die_meatbaby was mafia and literally tried to save town!Vivax day 1 in the lynch with another townie. I think that disproves your theory? im talking about IRL bragging i'm not sure you are? to your point, i mean. speculative so no need to drve this home cos the other post i just made with vivax quotes is much better and relevant to game I htink contextually D1 vs D3 is completely different expectations and filter progression so not the same. dmb and vivax should be focused on each other d1 regardless of alignment. | ||
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On June 15 2024 16:59 Trfel wrote: i would say yesI'm sorry I guess I'm getting confused and am not sure what you are trying to say. Is it that Vivax's read on die_meatbaby being mafia due to her lack of read on him has merit? im tired too too and shaking my head in uncertainty as well will take a break. catcha | ||
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On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Kelsi3r (7): scott31337 (5): Sandroba, Marvellosity, AlphaZero, Sandroba (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Vivax (0): Mocsta (0): Trfel (0): Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, Koshi, Scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): Mocsta, Vivax (0): Koshi (0): scott31337 (0): On June 15 2024 10:33 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Vivax(5): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (3): Koshi, Trfel (1): Alakaslam AlphaZero (0); Scott31337 (0): Mocsta (0): Mocsta speculative + Show Spoiler + town 2) Trfel 11) Mocsta 13) AlphaZero --> as mafia, had every reason to shift wagon back to me - but did not. adjusted reads from a town mindset during moment of crisis 3) rsoultin replaced by Koshi --> both players pushed sandroba. town 6) Alakaslam --> EoD3 actions are consistent and plausible from town mindset 7) raynpelikoneet --> sandroba is selling point. way rayn has attacked me is selling point. however, if this game was the lower probability mafia has a mastermind game, its got to be rayn. For the record, would only visit at MYLO/LYLO. rest 4) Scott31337 -> EoD3 actions are opportunistic + PoE 5) die_meatbaby -> Vivax called it. On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Kelsi3r (7): scott31337 (5): Sandroba, Marvellosity, AlphaZero, Sandroba (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Vivax (0): mocsta (0): Trfel (0): Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, koshi, scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby , Trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): mocsta , Vivax (0): koshi (0): scott31337 (0): On June 15 2024 10:33 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Vivax(5): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, mocsta , die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (3): koshi, Trfel (1): Alakaslam AlphaZero (0); scott31337 (0): mocsta (0): now i can take a break | ||
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On June 15 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote: I qulted that post because it looks like Scott was looking for the correct lynch and not going off dmb to get off dmb. you are going to have to talk to trfel then cos hes extremely stubborn about dmb - that is said respectfully too. i perceive the stubborness is because the facts are not there; without appropriate weighting that by now, the lack of facts may be by plan. re: slam how do you assess his non-vote to trfel? re: rayn im happy to talk about it? | ||
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On June 15 2024 18:18 Koshi wrote: im not sold your interpretation is the only answer. Why is it not concluded Scott could be sussing out which wagon would stick? Hes clearly concerned about close wagons leading to end of day wagon swaps. Alpha does pull up a good inconsistency, because he shouldnt be thinking that scum would jump to bus DMB.. HOWEVER, its also possible with benefit of the doubt the wagons should stick.I qulted that post because it looks like Scott was looking for the correct lynch and not going off dmb to get off dmb. i dont have an issue lynching DMB first btw. but scott is going to be a painpoint to resolve with trfel + alphazero assuming both are around tomorrow. On June 15 2024 09:54 AlphaZero wrote: Does anyone know why town Scott refuses to reevaluate his reads? On June 15 2024 10:01 scott31337 wrote: What's there to re-evaluate on you? On June 15 2024 10:03 Trfel wrote: Dude, are you serious? AlphaZero's playstyle itself has completely changed from day 1 to day 2-3. His reads have been changing as well. His pushes have been changing. Maybe to you, there's nothing to re-evaluate, because your only reason he is mafia is that he thinks you are mafia. Convincing. On June 15 2024 10:07 scott31337 wrote: And he keeps voting for townies (In my opinion). So there's that too. That hasn't change today. On June 15 2024 10:13 Trfel wrote: To be fair you asked why you should re evaluate. I gave you reasons. Another reason why you shouldn't doesn't invalidate the reasons I gave. But whatever, you clearly made up your mind long ago. On June 15 2024 10:16 scott31337 wrote: AZ isn't going to be lynched today - that ship has sailed. So let's try to find the other mafia, okay? I don't think it's Vivax though. On June 15 2024 10:13 AlphaZero wrote: Why is vivax town? On June 15 2024 10:30 scott31337 wrote: So I'm reading his filter again. His D1 is a majority of thinking about the game posting. Asking Oats how you top town read him and Oats went over it/didn't comment on it. Like he doesn't get into all the political/shit posting until later in the game. He didn't vote mafia D2 either, so there's that. On June 15 2024 10:37 scott31337 wrote: So at 5 -3 the scummies could move from Vivax to DMB although ballsy Are ya'll sticking with Vivax then? On June 15 2024 10:37 AlphaZero wrote: wtf are you talking about, you think DMB is mafia and Vivax is town right? so why would scum move from your town read to your mafia read. Classic mafia fearmongering. On June 15 2024 10:40 scott31337 wrote: Because there are only two people that have full knowledge. Oh yeah, if one is mafia, only one could move since there's only two left. I got you, I had to rethink what I said. My fault! | ||
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On June 15 2024 19:04 Koshi wrote: ok dudeMocsta I dont care anymore. Do what you guys want. I launched 2 mafia lynches and you pussyfucks waited for me to sleep to waste the work I put in during the day. Lynch who ever you want. Dont pretend you actually want my input. Be the baddies you guys are in your baddie circle. I am out. Man this game I just don't get it Is it me or something or this this the new meta? | ||
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town 2) Trfel 11) Mocsta 13) AlphaZero 3) rsoultin replaced by Koshi town 4) Scott31337 rest 5) die_meatbaby 6) Alakaslam 7) raynpelikoneet On June 09 2024 10:21 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Kelsi3r (7): scott31337 (5): Sandroba, Marvellosity, AlphaZero, Sandroba (0): raynpelikoneet (0): Vivax (0): mocsta (0): Trfel (0): Not Voting (1): Kelsi3r On June 12 2024 08:57 Grackaroni wrote: Day Two Vote Count Sandroba (7); raynpelikoneet, koshi, scott31337, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby , Trfel, Alakaslam die_meatbaby (3): raynpelikoneet(1): mocsta , Vivax (0): koshi (0): scott31337 (0): On June 15 2024 10:33 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Vivax(5): AlphaZero, Trfel, raynpelikoneet, mocsta , die_meatbaby die_meatbaby (3): koshi, Trfel (1): Alakaslam AlphaZero (0); scott31337 (0): mocsta (0): the way the game has played out, i am warming up to a DMB + Slam + Sandroba combination. Voting is at tail-end of wagon, which aligns with my theory that a lot of the arguing is TvT induced. Definitely triggering me to filter Slam to understand why even as early as D2 he wouldnt lynch DMB. | ||
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On June 15 2024 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: You're meant to be a better player than thisIdk why we arent lynching the people who actually say very scummy shit? I mean i am partly to blame for yesterday, but thread sentiment was switching to az vs vivax from dmb and then az told me to go to sleep instead of really trying to get me on vivax, when i already said i am not voting vivax over dmb. I found that townie. AZ was leading the vote. I had to go. Fuck me Pleas just consider mocsta and scott, people who actually act scummily!!!! To have caught up and kept your read one me is definitely building heat your way Be ready to justify your read progression | ||
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On June 16 2024 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: read on meWhich read progression are you talking about? I have a nice IPA beer here in front of me, as well a a whisky. So i have a little bit of time. Tell me. It's literally stated Nothing subtle at all | ||
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On June 16 2024 08:23 Mocsta wrote: you clarify after that "apparently" you have not read d3read on me It's literally stated Nothing subtle at all Better catch up real quick | ||
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On June 16 2024 07:49 AlphaZero wrote: Ia dmb partnered with Scott?I’m lynching Scott tomorrow. The end. If so, what's the problem to do dmb first? | ||
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n1 check sandroba n2 check scott d3.. scott is town, no questions asked n3.. scott is town, no questions asked plausible if not RB'd alternatively, is koshi any blue d3.. there is a RB, no questions asked n3.. there is a RB, no questions asked takeaway--> if koshi flips & is cop - scott is almost certainly town (dont go for this godfather crap, keep it simple) if koshi does not flip, then we are in interesting space trfel/az are pro scott lynch, anti dmb koshi/mocsta re pro dmb lynch, anti scott if the trfel/az pair is shot, it points to scott being scum if the koshi/mocsta pair is shot, it points to dmb being scum (i dont think a bluesnipe on either of us is that important because of the RB) if the rest is shot DMB -> Mind blown and not considering a possibility Slam -> Would give me serious credence to consider we are in a mastermind scum game => Someone like Rayn is keeping enough TvT tension is in place to distract Rayn -> falls into standard/default gameplay and probably more likely to come from Scott. | ||
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if the trfel/az pair is shot, it points to scott being scum thats really interesting | ||
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you did well to establish innocence and keep an open mind I still was expecting one of rayn.koshi to be shot.. very condemning i feel | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:00 scott31337 wrote: Scott, why do you interpret this as following thread sentiment?Mocsta: One post from AZ makes him give up on him, which to me is amazing. I feel a lot of follow-thread sentiment here. Do you disagree that mafia!AZ would not have dropped a scumread on me at that moment of chaos? | ||
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[quote[DMB: DMB was kind of pissed off after the lynch and noted, "I'll revenge you, Vivax," in so many words and not much else. Koshi's main scum read.[/quote] Technically, if DMB is mafia she enact revenge by shooting Trfel... This is an interesting association i had not considered hmmm sheep koshi or not that is the question | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:13 scott31337 wrote: I'm willing to hear . I don't see it closing up today's discussionYes. Are you willing to hear? Because I mentioned I wasn't going to talk about AZ. Like for me you are only scum by PoE I haven't agreed with any points about you being scum Treat that however you will with optionality etc Just being truthful | ||
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On June 16 2024 11:41 scott31337 wrote: no was not awareI'm not suggesting it, you were it when you left your vote. You were aware of such, correct? this is either a really confirmation biased assessment, or intentionally malicious. The sequence is below - how about you tell me which of the two it is. On June 15 2024 08:41 Mocsta wrote: thats compelling farq ##unvote im going to stew on this if im not going dmb, im not prepared for vivax today i dont think there is enough support its either scott or az.. unfortunatley we have 180 reads on both On June 15 2024 08:50 Mocsta wrote: fuck this im going to back myself and vote az i need this resolved ##vote: AlphaZero c'mon scott/vivax join me On June 15 2024 09:03 AlphaZero wrote: For me it’s not the worst if I get mislynched. It would def help me irl. Just please lynch vivax and Scott afterwards. And lynch whoever out of koshi and Rayn if either are alive at lylo On June 15 2024 09:06 Mocsta wrote: holy shit.. wow wow wow ughhhhh theres no way mafia says this.. only i can know this because i know im town ##unvote i need to process this. going to leave game for a bit On June 15 2024 09:08 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count die_meatbaby (3): Koshi, AlphaZero (3); Trfel (1): Alakaslam Scott31337 (1): Mocsta (0): Not Voting (1): Mocsta With 3 votes, die_meatbaby is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Saturday, Jun 15 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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rayn has totally lost interest in the game, evidenced by his admission he still hasnt caught up on d3 and yet throwing out scum reads rayn is also demanding cred for what transpired. koshi not so much, hes more wielding it to say dumb dumb follow me. rayn is wielding it to say townread me one is a fair bit scummier than the other | ||
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On June 16 2024 12:20 scott31337 wrote: hahahI should not say if it's Koshi I'm willing to lose. If it's Koshi and it's D5, let's investiture. you know i almost typed the same thing then i was like. nah even if i feel that way, i cant say that very anti town im still expecting a response about the vote insinuation if you truly perceived me that way, i would have expected you to at least corroborate what was happening in the thread at that time | ||
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On June 16 2024 12:30 scott31337 wrote: Maybe tomorrow Mocsta. ##Vote: scott OK, will be waiting | ||
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Let's pretend Rayn is mafia Lurking lurking. Smells chaos of vote change. Peeks up head and gives you a big +1 sheep vote into town!vivax. Firstly has Rayna game given you the impression he holds you as close or the same as koshi? Secondly, Who is the more likely partner? Scott slam or dmb? You said it yourself, dmb Scott sandroba doesn't really fit the game Tommorrow is looking like MYLO. You want Scott..koshi wants dmb. This is a recipe for disaster. Maybe we can all agree to lynch the rayn / slam pairing? | ||
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On June 16 2024 17:32 scott31337 wrote: I get it DMB then lol On June 16 2024 17:24 scott31337 wrote: ##Unvote Vote: Alakaslam gonna change or what jub jub i tell you what AZ if DMB flips red, scotts instant reaction to choose anyeone but slam > DMB is enough to lock in my next vote | ||
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On June 16 2024 18:43 AlphaZero wrote: koshi did well indeed. Yeah. I think that is the team. Kinda sad it took a red check from koshi, Other team is slam/ rayn like koshi says. Koshi carried hard. He deserves to flame us. Unfortunately I picked up rsoultin was cop d1 and forgot; although the Scott is town thing could have bit real bad if he is indeed mafia. The Scott/dmb pair makes sense why the lynch was so quiet d3 as well. No thread pull. Assuming rest put majority on dmb I'm pretty happy to snooze and get back some.irl time Woo hoo | ||
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Not sure if slam will vote Rayn though? Does this means you would drop Scott read? Like I'm.wondeeinf if best move is yolo and vote Rayn today? | ||
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On June 17 2024 07:50 AlphaZero wrote: yes you are rightNo we lynch the red check. cause its not deterministic that it is DMB I shall stay strong! | ||
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On June 17 2024 07:55 AlphaZero wrote: Exactly. Thats why I flipped my readRayn kind of got me back onto scott after I dropped him in the mason chat. I think his mocsta scum read is suspect as well. Mocsta should look townier to him as he was to me and trfel. Then he conveniently states he isn't caught up If so. Shouldn't be pushing agenda then I can wait till next one Not sure why koshi thinks he was saved Because that would mean mafia had 2x shot | ||
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On June 17 2024 07:55 AlphaZero wrote: Rayn kind of got me back onto scott after I dropped him in the mason chat. I think his mocsta scum read is suspect as well. Mocsta should look townier to him as he was to me and trfel. Wait wait Whoah. Rayn out you into Scott That's fucking interesting Can you please summarize? I want to cross reference if Rayn filter articulates the same | ||
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On June 17 2024 08:36 AlphaZero wrote: Copy copy thank youI ask about the last mafia presuming you are mafia (which he pushed quite strongly in the chat) I raised DMB and slam and scott. He says probably scott right now, and that DMB had quite good reads. Rayn will come in flaming at some point soon enough *Praise master koshi* | ||
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June 14 Rayn implies Scott is town and then based on slam agrees mocsta/Scott = scum | ||
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On June 17 2024 09:33 AlphaZero wrote: yeah.. unfortunately I get it as disrespectful as it isRayn will be forced to scum read me or Mocsta incorrectly. Or try and lynch Scott here. And honestly that is another option that makes sense. But I feel like the night kills and the koshi rb a bit too smart for Scott dmb team if that makes sense. let's say there is a medic Why not save Marv? So weird.. maybe that's why Rayn was blue hunting slam. I can't remember his Marv read n1. It's irrelevant I suppose unless dmb flips town somehow | ||
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On June 17 2024 09:32 AlphaZero wrote: 10/11 June or 11/12 June depending on timezones. Day 2 + night 2 basically. Interesting I didn't read that far back Something to check for next lynch I guess Will be pretty bad if he read Scott town in thread those days but pushed him in mason log | ||
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On June 17 2024 18:07 AlphaZero wrote: DMB could also be mafia. Meh Mia Br0 Stay strong | ||
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I can see mylo Rayn Scott / slam Mocsta Gonna be total bullshit if that happens. Right now would be auto lose for town I'm.hopeful whoever is town in that group will be remotivated to give a shit and update read on me ffs | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: An how is that gonna be auto lose for yown? If it's slam and you Slam is auto vote me Rayn is auto vote me Game is over _----- Let's just go with dmb scum D3 dmb 5-1 N4 koshi 4-1 D5 Scott (town) 3-1 N6 az 2-1 Mylo Rayn slam mocsta But you're right..perhaps scum!Rayn is still sniping for a medic and I get shot tonight. Who knows | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: What a surprise no answer.. Lol. It's a work night dude. I'm going to bed soon | ||
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Everyone shot has called me town Yeah great scum strat Rayn. Just shoot everyone that won't lymch me | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol Are you stupid? There is no protective role, i hve known ot since N1. Rayn denies bluesnipe But doesn't Deny mafia Hillarious | ||
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On June 17 2024 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who are you even scumreading? You just said we laynch AZ tomorrow.. Where did I say lymch az? | ||
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If you are town it's just super disrespectful to waste my time like this Read the fucking game instead of bullshit me around here If mafia. Keep it up Night night in boo boo | ||
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Koshi still gets shot tonight. Rayn running a discredit campaign. Lots of lies / poor reading comprehension. Alpha my guess is that you are viscera eyes It's Scott or Rayn. And I'm lynching Rayn tomorrow | ||
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On June 18 2024 11:23 scott31337 wrote: what are you on about?If I just look at votes - I would say Best raynpelokineet AlphaZero Mocsta Worst Koshi said DMB flips RB it's Mocsta Trfel derailed the dmb lynch and was town Why do you ignore a bus on sandroba? | ||
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He also said Scott was town I'm just saying ignore anything non flipped and go back to first principles What makes more sense Sandroba dmb + Rayn / Scott / mocsta / slam / az / koshi? Do you think sandroba pushed mafia Scott d1? Did sandroba scum or town read Scott at time.of lynch? Was sandroba setting up to lynch Scott d2 or keep a scum buddy safe? Why would mocsta shoot all the people that townread and stood up for him. Where's the benefit? Would a scum alphazero just vote mocsta when the first dmb wagon collapsed and the shifted onto az? Why didn't he go OMGUS? Was Rayns 2 sentence to vote sandroba really that great like he says? why did it take koshi to get the wagon going Ask yourself how did early sandroba voters use their lynch.. one person said look how town I am.. the other said sheep me to vote more scum.. can you guess which is scummy and which is townie? Can you guess who said which? Who gains the most by keeping shooting clear town reads (oats/trfel) instead of big players... Rayn said it himself. He does not believe there is a protective role in the game... Ask yourself why would he know? It's certainly something you can infer if you know the mafia team setup...how else? I know my answers and I'm voting Rayn next cycle | ||
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On June 18 2024 18:25 AlphaZero wrote: you slightly disappointed me yesterdaythere should be another blue if there was a roleblocker. its ok, im not holding it against you this game, was just disappointed and letting you know | ||
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On June 18 2024 00:05 AlphaZero wrote: This bit agreeing with Rayn even though it falls within his modus operandi to trumpet distortion as factsYeah that’s bad. But is it mafia bad? Rayn distortion (numbers added for emphasis): On June 17 2024 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he thinks AZ is gonna die after Koshi the only possible scenario why "slam/scott is alive" if rayn and mocsta are alive is if we lynched slam or scott. [#1] first of all if dmb flips mafia, why would we lynch slam? [#2] second of all, if we are not lynching az, mocsta or rayn, why is there a chance slam is alive? [#3] Mocsta do you know slam is mafia? The original post is below btw
The original post On June 17 2024 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: An how is that gonna be auto lose for yown? On June 17 2024 22:43 Mocsta wrote: If it's slam and you Slam is auto vote me Rayn is auto vote me Game is over _----- Let's just go with dmb scum D3 dmb 5-1 N4 koshi 4-1 D5 Scott (town) 3-1 N6 az 2-1 Mylo Rayn slam mocsta | ||
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Has the audacity to blame it on being stuck between az and vivax - how townie On June 15 2024 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. ##unvote ##vote vivax Ohh didn't realise there was a pattern pot calling.the kettle black On June 09 2024 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Im sorry i thought i had some time today, i dont. ##vote Kelsi3r Of course he couldn't swap.off sandroba cos counter wagon was rayn | ||
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Can't lie. The abrupt slow down has been difficult to adapt to. The post intensity becomes quite addictive. For me at least. Now it's beena few real life days. I'm enjoying the serenity Agree with you though. silence commences | ||
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If there's a chance to get koshi another check it was worth the try Lynch rayn if my plan worked Lynch rayn if my plan didn't work | ||
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On June 19 2024 13:20 AlphaZero wrote: We both see the game in the same way so thats good. Sick | ||
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On June 19 2024 18:10 AlphaZero wrote: We both think you are mafia or Scott is if you flip green. Only green rayn flips is godfather | ||
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I found your missing portrait! ![[image loading]](https://i.postimg.cc/50HfWFvn/ezgif-5-e8d4bd7ae9.jpg) | ||
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Is that not the best defense and suits the qualities you bring as town | ||
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On June 19 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: i glad you loved the portrait! how fantastic!I have a question for you Mocsta, if youre finally willing to engage me in any way other than taking shitty jabs at me: Would you think, if scott or slam (without the check), is mafia, if they had my filter? Which of your points are rayn-specific and which are universal mafia tells? Slam was town read before the check, because of his filter, not by inferring out-of-game behaviour. Scott doesn't have your filter so the question is contextually irrelevant. We have to piss with the dick we have I have no interest to seek your agreement for lynching you. Although.. With only 3 players to look at, you are welcome to dust off that expert scum hunting hat and show us how its done. | ||
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*Clap clap* An admirable numerous submission | ||
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Good post from az. Open question seeking to progress solving the game | ||
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Rayn. You aren't 100% mafia to me The catch is. I'm certain that of scott / az / rayn. That Az is town There is enough lynches for POE and I find you more probable to be mafia than scott. Scott/dmb in particular doesn't shoot oats in my opinion. Trfel is questionable too but at least has relevance for vivax. I don't care you took control of the messaging and said you wouldn'tshoot oats. That's NAI Az and me both lost influential support with oats/trfel at a point in the game we were vulnerable. Not impossible but so damn unlikely when the much simpler answer is that the NK benefitted rayns game the most. I think you have a higher chance to flip than | ||
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Rayn is still the best lynch this cycle regardless in my opinion Hi az | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:06 AlphaZero wrote: Yeah nothings happening. Will you tell us the primary account after the game? | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:33 AlphaZero wrote: I was supposed to take it easy and here we are with a 33 page filter and I really didn't play well. All in all a pretty middling game for me. Wouldn't have picked that up as you seemed to be in us timezone? Cool cool and hello . I'm not actually if we have played together as town/town before? I don't think we helped each other much at the start. I dunno how obs view it but I reckon it's actually been a good town game in the end (note: not great or a benchmark game) In my eyes, the fundamental challenge appears to have been heavily splintered factions that just could not align or collaborate. Every one harbouring a perceived fugitive lol And then.. If vivax had not fucked around in the masons. Trfel wouldn't have freaked out with him and dmb would have been lynched. | ||
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On June 20 2024 21:32 AlphaZero wrote: its kind of expected from both alignments, really want to see rayn work on unpacking sandro and dmb filter if he is town. I mean the only thing to unpack is why dmb threw out tvt d1 Let's wait n see | ||
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On June 10 2024 22:41 sandroba wrote: I just saw this post so responding to it now, and will resume my read. Of course any alignment can do and post anything, there is no law that says mafia can't post something. Most of my narratives about alignment are kinda of trying to put into words and explain my intuition about something, even trying myself to understand why I think something. In this case the perspective it comes from, the leap of faith towards a player with a slight caveat and the attempt not to rid of suspicion towards oneself but to direct thinking about his world view feels genuine and I can fully explain it from a townie perspective, while from mafia to me would take an amazing actor with very little to gain on this trivial interaction. | ||
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On June 20 2024 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: let's pretend you are townDo you, DP, of all the people find a problem with this post, a problem that is EXACTLY what i am trying to argue about Mocsta? Once you get my flip..are you going to eat your hat or something? I really want to know cos this is going full stupid now | ||
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I'm just waiting now for rayn to tell me I'm following thread sentiment lol Go on Trumpet distort rinse and repeat | ||
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Because you have not been pivotal all game Whilst preaching to us left how pivotal you were That's it in a nutshell Rest is noise | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:24 sandroba wrote: Hey rayn, how did you go from not seeing me as mafia asking questions to koshi to this without any answers? I wonder if this was ever answered Damn good call out too | ||
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On June 11 2024 03:45 sandroba wrote: talks here about vivax in same time and 'just trust me' vibe with scottListen, this is usually what gets Vivax lynched every game. Some sort of inconsistency or misplaced emotion that makes no sense from a town perspective. I don't think vivax is mafia this game, and even if I'm wrong about this and he is it's at best a crap shoot, because the game where palmar lead his lynch day1 looked exactly like this. Look I'm just as lost as the next guy, I'm thinking this has to be koshi + rayn + slam/dmb basically by poe - but I think going for vivax right now is a mistake. I'm not ashamed to say sandroba pocketed me Yet this commentary which has resulted from that pocket is nectar Let's drink together | ||
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On June 20 2024 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i also belieed DP could be mafia start of D2 just because him and marv were incapable of getting their lynch. Yet marv was town And DP was not known to be in the game I mean knowing AZ is DP I should be more cautious yet DP right now doesn't have the same desperation as you even when he was very close to being lynched a couple days ago And the kills are not optimal for DP either, and like me lead to him losing support and becoming increasingly lynchable. Rayn should be dead over oats at minimum. | ||
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Firstly 10 pages in and i get a different vibe / emphasis /purpose to this game. Perhaps meaningless because smurfing I did find this post hillarious as the roles appear reversed this game See. Rayn is super helpful, calm, transparent (and town) Dp is saying be back later (and mafia) On March 04 2024 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's very easy to follow Cake's thought process on your "problem" with her. If she is mafia, your reasoning is definitely not why she is mafia. It's not her problem if you didn't understand she called Trfel and DMB town, hell i can even easily follow her reasoning. Just because she is being abrasive towards you (or you think so) doesn't make her mafia. Slam has actually posted some scummy shit which i will come back to later. Also his town meta imo contradicts heavily his MO this game, yet you are somehow unwilling to make any conclusion about his alignment so far. On March 04 2024 17:10 DarthPunk wrote: I’m playing badminton for 3 hours or so. But I want to come back to this before bed. Btw.. rayn doesn't come across to me the same this game. Maybe similar.message but not the same vibe..much more anger now | ||
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Again. If he didn't piss off trfel it wouldn't have happened It was closer to a policy lynch than scum lunch. Shit happens during last minute swaps | ||
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At the end of the game so gimme some love ok Separately I appreciated I was on your call out before classy started | ||
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If the game continues i will bear that in mind Yes I was pocketed by sandroba. He came back to the game and spoke about stuff important to me when most of what l saw was nonsense. You were lurking or not around and can't understand. Oats/trfel/az and me were the only things moving the game after marv died. That's my take and I don't care if you disagree. I just don't view how AZ has played as pocketing me in the sense that we have been seesawing since d1 He has stood up for me in two moments, one small and one big when I just see no value to mafia alphazero doing so. If anything breaking his last read on me. He could have easily wagoned me yet didn't. Feel free to have a crack and explain that to me. I'm not professing to be good or great. I only point out that the single person downplaying my filter as sheep is you.and only you all game, flipped town said the opposite. How can you read be so out of sync even if doing just a dive. | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: main was was dmb wagon break before vivaxWhere do you feel like you would have been lynched if AZ wagoned you? I talk about it many times in my filter Maybe p130 odd | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: well several factors going through mind at that timeWhy did you Mocsta, decide to vote for AZ D3 instead of following your super townread Trfel on Vivax, or sticking with your lynch on DMB? 1) DMB wagon collapsed, whats the alternative 2) I don't trust my reads this game, Trfel wants Vivax -> I have been town and scum reading him all game. Feels like lottery draw 3) I dont want a lottery draw, I'm going to stick it on AZ who i did scum read 4) AZ does not OMGUS and instead doesnt know what to do with his vote either 5) I recognise this confusion and have an epiphany. I just dont see it being baked in the moment by scum. Maybe feels different with posts, but in real life, the timings are all 5-10-20s apart. 6) Without AZ, i backed trfel to a majority and took a punt with Vivax. I firmly believe Trfel would not have even been viewing vivax as a wagon that day if it were not for the mason longs. Trfel outted his frustration multiple times. | ||
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whoah. that is a slip and a half i genuinely have work meetings im going to be back about 1hr before lynch im willing to read with open eyes from comes out of this conversation. that one is pretty bad and hard to ignore | ||
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On June 21 2024 07:43 AlphaZero wrote: To me there is a clear desperation for you to live. But not to solve the game after. That is scummy cause it aligns with mafia win condition. So you should probably just make a bunch of posts that help the town at mylo in the case you are town. But really I haven’t heard anything compelling from you in that area. And that is why you are mafia. actually. its not as big a slip as i thought english phrasing hes saying. your top priority is to survive there is no apparent priority to solve the game. nothing further | ||
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On June 21 2024 09:48 AlphaZero wrote: i have nothing to add. waiting for flip outcome .I want to know what mocsta thinks because he should be around, as should scott. Go and try to convince them, im not sure why you are trying to convince me when you are voting for me. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: lets have mocsta confirmed town bout time lol | ||
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aside from slam replace question why is slam not a godfather? | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:35 AlphaZero wrote: its the constant pepperingim actually scared rayn is town and im going to be mislynched in lylo. Like i know that is the point of what he is doing when he is mafia, but fuck its working. like regardless of flip im going to store this for future strategy/tactics if rayn flips town, i am reading the rest of classy mafia filter.. i do stand by the tone is very different however | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta, if you are town DP is mafia did you explain why it cant be scott? i dunon so much flurry over past 10-15pages. im not really sure what has / hasnt been said im still at work too so only skim reading. | ||
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On June 21 2024 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: ohhh i seeI think you and DP are more likely to be mafia, so basically PoE, hmmm, thats unfortunate and undoes a lot of the suspcision/fear you have cultivated the past few hours | ||
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but i think the godfather question has to be legit considered why has slam dropped his scum read on me? it apperas DP hasnt swayed him im town?? | ||
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I know i aint mafia | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:03 iamperfection wrote: so why did you kill trfel instead of koshi i was wondering that too... was it revenge? | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:04 AlphaZero wrote: wow, you're right, in particular you and scott because you held those reads coming into this cycle.Very well played Mocsta. Us town reading each other was crucial. Same with Scott and I getting away from our scum reads. first game back in more than 5 years and the norm seems to be 20page + filters!! this was intense! | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:07 rsoultin wrote: you did greati literally had it as a too scummy to be scum that not wanting to lynch dmb while calling slam town that's mb but scott isn't scum so >> \o/ i get to make faces at marv. i consider this a win so this is what a dp towngame looks like. dude, idk if i can tell the difference other than i felt more heard by him this game while i was playing town read you so i could trust koshi even though he came in instantly swinging at me. | ||
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On June 10 2024 18:31 Mocsta wrote: for my own pat on the shoulder.. need to trust self more!Rayn keeps getting pushed by my subconscious Can't articulate. Just keep getting vision he is the key to this game | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:12 rsoultin wrote: awww in obs you mean? hmmm hopefully someone can explain what i was doing that came across so scummy?i'm so glad you were town <3 ppl kept saying you weren't and i was making a sad face cause you kept giving me the town feels | ||
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On June 21 2024 11:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: haha all loveso i scumread him FOR A REASON! sorry mocsta The constant peppering was real good Your tone in that one post I linked from classy was so different though!! | ||
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On June 19 2024 19:39 Mocsta wrote: Rayn I found your missing portrait! My favourite post Rayn could only be scum for ignoring it! | ||
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Nah Oats forwarded on a mason chat but doesn't show messages Hopefully grack wakes up soon | ||
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