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I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.
I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town.
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On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up.
lol
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My work has made tl.net gaming again. So I will have to phonepost and phoneread on Monday/Wednesday/Thursday. Cruel.
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Ok so phonereading and posting is stupid and I wont do it a lot.
Why I should be mayor:
- Will be obvious town entire game.
- Mafia doesnt like it when I am obvious town. Proof: I have been nkilled a lot.
- I am tiptop active throughout the game even if it takes 2 weeks.
- If I am mayor, I will keep an open mind and do extra work to present alternatives, so town does not fall asleep. (Will just be to open conversationand activity up, not to cause confusion)
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##Mayor: Koshi
(I havent read a single post in the game yet)
(But funny there is not a single vote for mayor being cast)
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Vote Koshi for mayor 2024
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Can you vote for me while ignore me?
Only ignoring isn't fun.
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On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff”
Lies and slander
I will be town so you should vote me mayor
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On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:You don't think he is likely town?
I havent read anything yet from before I first posted.
Masoning marv is leaning town.
Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn.
That's ok.
I will battle him with scumreads.
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On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree
I disagree for what it is worth.
The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt
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On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way.
Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb.
Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16.
Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.
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If you are going to form town circles based on mason chat you can fuck off. I havent read anything but just putting it out there.
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On March 05 2024 04:09 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:08 Koshi wrote:
If you are going to form town circles based on mason chat you can fuck off. I havent read anything but just putting it out there. Good to know you haven't been reading
Kids to bed. Wife going dancing.
I am now taking a shit, will smoke after, then read everything.
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On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly.
It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that.
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On March 05 2024 04:14 sandroba wrote:
Last game I read koshi's post and got townie vibes d1 pretty soon. Not so in this game. The aim of his posts doesn't feel pro town here. Hmmmm
I havent posted yet
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On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.
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I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game
Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP
See this:
On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads?
In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats.
And
I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon.
So iamp lock town till D3
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Badly formatted. But I wrote the one sentence as responds so the mebaby post. And then saw iamp post the same thing basically.
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On March 04 2024 13:02 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:59 Vivax wrote:
I like Jacob shrugging it off that I found him a bit suspicious early, and I tend to read his writing style as scummy I think.
So for now I am at:
Maximum town: Me
Townish: DP, JS, iamp
Unsure: MZ
Very unsure: Trfel
Scummy : Oats
MZ is mayor competition and I believe would be an ideal mafia candidate. Can‘t pin much on him though. His focus pn conversing with Trfel is noteworthy.
Trfel seemed like he mistook MZ for me with the promise to vote Palmar. Strikes me as low confidence tone wise.
DP I think is actively looking for mafia already and I felt like I had a congruent thinking moment when it came to Oats. you got fooled by Dp´s mafia skills in your last game so I hope it doesn´t happen again if you are Maximum town 
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ffs I have cold hands. ignore last post.
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On March 04 2024 13:02 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:59 Vivax wrote:
I like Jacob shrugging it off that I found him a bit suspicious early, and I tend to read his writing style as scummy I think.
So for now I am at:
Maximum town: Me
Townish: DP, JS, iamp
Unsure: MZ
Very unsure: Trfel
Scummy : Oats
MZ is mayor competition and I believe would be an ideal mafia candidate. Can‘t pin much on him though. His focus pn conversing with Trfel is noteworthy.
Trfel seemed like he mistook MZ for me with the promise to vote Palmar. Strikes me as low confidence tone wise.
DP I think is actively looking for mafia already and I felt like I had a congruent thinking moment when it came to Oats. you got fooled by Dp´s mafia skills in your last game so I hope it doesn´t happen again if you are Maximum town
Again mebaby sowing distrust in the thread.
I am going to put Vivax on the not lynch till D2 pile. I think he helps town by posting these reads this early. I don't think he fakes the town mindmeld with DP.
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On March 04 2024 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 04 2024 13:05 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB what is vivax's alignment? EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A SUSPECT RIGHT now. How the hell should i tell after one hour who could be tip top town (for this shit mayor thing) and mafia. He is nothing as player right now. But he was so mad at you for getting fooled by you on mafiascum that it´s just strange how give you this fucking early a townread. the hell i am thinking already of you and Vivax togther. But still to fucking early to make any decision on any aligment. I will take the first day do find a tip top town to vote as mayor because we always get the first lynch wrong anyways but thats how find the mafia later. I just don´t know what will happen if we lose the game because if mafia will fool us that this one person is maximum Town and best option for mayor. What happens if we vote mafia for mayor? we can not just lynch our mayor or can we still? Do you have any game with mayor I can read so I would better understand how importend that role is? Because I think mafia will act and play differnt as usuall on D1 just because of this. This is actually a good point regarding vivax giving dp such an early town read
It really isn't because if Vivax is mafia, he would abuse the fact he can't read DP town because he was fooled. So why would mafia!Vivax call town!DP town so early? Way better to shade him.
The post nly makes sense if mebaby tried to make a joke while jabbing Vivax a bit. Which is ok for me. But I am not sure that it was that.
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On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:
dp being obtuse and ignoring me is extremely suspicious imo I literally just replied to you, and I am being super smart, not obtuse. Just FYI. i dont think your being smart at all. its a non post imo. You trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill is very suspicious. Why do you think its a non-post? because its basically just banter. Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore. excuse me. What has dmb done better.
You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP?
And with winning I mean looking pretty townie.
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On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
How do I make a mayor vote?
People who ask mundane questions to end their first visit to the thread should be lynched and or shot.
New to mafia playbook:
First throw out some not fleshed out reads to pretend they are helping town.
Secondly ask a question so the thread helps them be active and do something because they don't know what to do as mafia.
Seen it too much. Should be red throughout the game unless miracle play happens.
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I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)
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On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad.
But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan.
Look smart.
But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
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On March 05 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, how come you dropped your whole emo/trying to be scumread shtick? Is it the mayor election?
No because it is a big game. I am going to lead town this game. Being mayor or not.
I want to play at 100% of my capabilities.
Being mayor would just be a bonus to give it 101%.
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On March 04 2024 15:43 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 15:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:37 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:36 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:34 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:31 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 15:28 Alakaslam wrote:
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Well, Heyoka or whoever does it now was too slow
So I must be Alakaslam
Which is much closer to uncle. . . What was David Balfour's uncle's name?
Or maybe Captian Hoseason. The uncle is a cool guy, totally fits you 👏🏼🥂 I honestly forgot the name too 🤣 I am a fan of the Keira Knightley movie. Stop avoiding my question. I am not avoiding? My towncircle is obs dumb and truffle Why are they town? Ok mr. Fakey pretending to solve the game Why am i mafia or why am i town? Who is town and who is mafia? Answer my question and then I will answer yours. Which ones I ignored? Why did you think DMB and Trfel were town when you invited them to the tea party? I liked Dumb calling out how different you are playing here, the lack of macho bravado. She is flowing on her own. Trfl is the same, composed and trying to answer, giving different perspectives. Besides last game he was insane with his reads so he gets invited.
Our reads could not be more different.
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On March 04 2024 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel looks too clean, it worries me.
Damn. I promise I didn't read this till now.
Good stuff.
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So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely.
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On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny
On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^
If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv.
Just putting that out there.
0 fucks would be given.
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On March 05 2024 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:57 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads. Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately. I am unsure of why it should look worse for him to tell those reads to me privately rather than posting them in thread? Because i find it the opposite.
Sure bro. marv for the first time in ages is capable to form decent reads in the first hours in the game.
And they are so convincing you think this is the best way to play. By not telling town/thread.
Pretty sure you are insane.
I hope he is mafia and you are pocketed so hard that I can just laugh at you forever.
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On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at
page 36 and too angry to continue.
But
town:
iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor.
dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way.
Vivax I like him
MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way
Null
Oats
Mafia
DMB because bad start
TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance
Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe.
marv because he can die
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On March 05 2024 06:05 CopCake wrote:
Btw, this is a post SPECIAL FOR KOSHI
I like how you call out the bro gay whisperer shit out but I think marv is town. Just because how he approached me to think to not go insane with DP.
I am inversing your reads today so thank you for confirming marv is mafia.
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On March 05 2024 06:08 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote:
So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. Not sure why you are bunching me up with rayn calling marv town. I'm keeping an open mind. He has been townie in the mason chat but the lack of thread presence is worrying. Your commentary is less sharp than usual. Not sure I follow the outburst here, what exactly have we been doing that is anti-town? I also don't like it you are framing as we are acting a group.
Yes on page 36 you were interrogating rayn a bit about marv and I liked that. I just disliked how rayn responded to you that I am now angry and upset.
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On March 05 2024 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##UnMayor: Vivax
##Mayor: raynpelikoneet
Actually this is probably still better!!!
Explain this to me.
You believed Vivax trash claim? Why?
If you believed it. And still are for w.e reason. Why would it be still better for you to be mayor?
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On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree
Yes all the mafia agree.
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On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it.
So insightful. I understand why he is your mason god now.
Really. It doesn't look bad at all that he doesn't want to make a lock town mayor and instead wants to make rayn mayor (but preferably as late as possible in the game so the 5 mafia votes can do the most damage)
Slam claim is so pathetic that it is laughable we should just ignore it and revisit it in X days. So are we going to take it as a serious claim on D4 and be like... Well slam you claimed buddy, and mafia didn't kill you, you must be lynched now.
pathetic.
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On March 05 2024 02:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town Hard to argue
Game is solved then.
Ok bois. Lets go home.
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On March 05 2024 03:33 Vivax wrote:
iamp and rayn drop from the town tier holding hands
only rayn
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On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable.
Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn.
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On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die.
We shouldn't do tfrel first.
rayn or marv. Let's go big.
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On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:05 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. I’m inclined to agree I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor. Press x for doubt He didn't have any real pressure on him though
I'll answer this because you are tiptoptown.
I didn't know in what situation Vivax was, but as mafia doing a fakeclaim to convince town, is gamewinning. Town will never self admit of doing something that wrong so Vivax will be alive forever. Even if he falls of the face of the earth as mafia.
Now this is all moot because Vivax is town.
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On March 05 2024 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure if town Koshi can think i am mafia with marv.
I can.
I thought for a second that marv blueclaimed to you. So that would/could cement him town.
But then you would both go after Vivax harder because it just makes sense he is less likely town then. Maybe not, maybe yes.
Still you both believed Vivax so unconditionally I disregard the blue claim.
This marv I have been reading last 2-3 games is not capable to convince the thread he is town. Yet he was able to convince you he is town?
What a joke. You are either mafia with him, or really fucking bad rayn. Really fucking bad.
You are really bad for letting this happen, but really fucking bad for letting this happen and protect marv like this.
So yeah.
I can think that.
Also. I really hope he is mafia and you are town.
I really hope that.
So much.
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I have been reading for like 2 hours now and still only on page 48. What a fucking clusterfuck this is.
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On March 05 2024 06:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi, how come you dropped your whole emo/trying to be scumread shtick? Is it the mayor election? No because it is a big game. I am going to lead town this game. Being mayor or not. I want to play at 100% of my capabilities. Being mayor would just be a bonus to give it 101%. Missed this one earlier, apologies. Why is the size of the game important?
Dude.. I played terrible in the past because
1) I don't like posting too much and getting my mind clouded. There is a line between posting enough, and too much. When I post too much my reads get worse but I also become less lynchable. So in the past I posted so much to get townread and get my lynches through, but sadly the quality of my reads and posts went way down. Posting less is actually better for me.
2) I don't like being utter shit as mafia because I can't do the same thing as I do as town. I just can't fake reads. I can't. It's annoying. So I need to play as utter shit as town because I can't become better as mafia but I can become worse as town.
3) Big games are harder than normal games. So I want to see how I do when giving it my all, and I want to have fun. So I am making a lot of trash posts because that is fun for me. So this will be very different than previous games.
tldr: I just want to play this style this game. I don't know why. The reasons above might be it but also maybe not.
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On March 05 2024 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information? I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here. There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is: "I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better." I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play.
If it lines up with how they play on MS. Then it lines up with how he would play as mafia to pretend he is town.
Like what is your point here? He does something similar on a new site so must be town?
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On March 05 2024 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:13 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:27 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 03:17 Rels wrote:Voting ToTheStars, mainly for his last post. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission The rest of his filter is also nothing Would you vote for that if you played in mafiascum? I don't understand the question how would it change anything? rayn? Because he is from mafiascum. Yeah I got that, I guess my implied questions were, like, is it a normal post to make in mafiascum or something? Is what I said wrong because of this piece of information? I don't know. I know that they do RVS. He knows we don't do RVS here. There is not "so much words" in my opinion in his read. His read and justification for vote is: "I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better." I don't consider that "wow so much words", and it lines up pretty well with how people on MS play. If it lines up with how they play on MS. Then it lines up with how he would play as mafia to pretend he is town. Like what is your point here? He does something similar on a new site so must be town? I didn't say he is town. I said Rels' case doesnt make him mafia.
Ok. Fair.
Rels concern is legit. But I can see how it doesn't make TTS lock mafia in your eyes.
Still. TTS is hiding behind his other site. And doing nothing spectacular.
If he is overwhelmed by the amount of posts I understand. But that is not our problem.
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On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 iamperfection wrote:
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He didn't have any real pressure on him though Does this not strengthen Koshi's point? No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv.
Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody?
In that case:
In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always.
So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick.
But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him.
We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome.
I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing.
Not ever.
I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure.
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Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop.
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On March 05 2024 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you are fucking stupid. let it be known now.
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On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:
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No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume.
They are for sure not unhappy.
But it HAPPENED.
So what is the smartest move now?
Make the shitshow rayn mayor?
Or an actual blue role.
Do you want our bluerole shot on N?
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It is a no brainer to me.
I do not want our Jailkeeper dead on N1.
The only way to prevent that is by making him mayor.
Mafia is smarter than town and understands that.
Vivax is getting shit on even after our situation changed. And those 2 bigbrains in their mason should know better but want to make shitshow rayn mayor.
pathetic.
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On March 05 2024 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop. Or we could have a mayor that can steer town in a good direction without mafia being able to shoot him for a while. No offense to Vivax, but the reactions to his claim show that is not him.
The reactions are from mafia and an upset iamp.
I was also upset at first but now it is our only right play.
Unless we reasonable doubt the claim.
But he backed it up his claim once and I think we all kinda believe it.
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On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate.
out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player.
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On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey.
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On March 05 2024 05:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP See this: On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game upset that town are making town reads? In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats. And I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon. So iamp lock town till D3 I don't understand this "I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up" What follow-up?
Yes. That was badly formatted. I wrote 'Don't like this (from Mebaby) because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP"
But I didn't post it yet to see the follow up by dmb (if there was anything)
And then I saw that iamp post and felt like that was a town mindmeld with what I wrote.
So iamp is town for me because of that.
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On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground.
During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
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On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later
Why is Vivax bad at this game? Where is your proof?
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Do I really have to go and compare D1 reads from the past year between Vivax and rayn? I would be surprised if rayn is so much better.
I know for instance I have had some good D1 reads. Sadly enough my main suspect was often town but I was near mafia. Copcake once, DMB last game, iamp in the canceled game. I don't remember anything else though. Let alone Vivax and rayn reads.
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On March 05 2024 08:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:02 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later Why is Vivax bad at this game? Where is your proof? Because he just rants that people are stupid. It’s incredibly bad regardless of his reads.
Nha false. He actually posted the most reads this game. Way more than rayn. rayn posted that everybody is town though. Really smart to do if you want to be mayor. I'll give him that.
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On March 05 2024 08:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later Rough way to put it. But correct.
incorrect. I know where Vivax his head is way better than rayn.
Don't follow the mason shitheads.
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7 page Vivax with reads and reads progression.
And this ******** are claiming this is scum Vivax.
Come the fuck on.
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I am not going to adhoc anymore this game.
Please let me know when I do because it is not fun.
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On March 05 2024 08:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:04 Koshi wrote:
Do I really have to go and compare D1 reads from the past year between Vivax and rayn? I would be surprised if rayn is so much better.
I know for instance I have had some good D1 reads. Sadly enough my main suspect was often town but I was near mafia. Copcake once, DMB last game, iamp in the canceled game. I don't remember anything else though. Let alone Vivax and rayn reads. Who cares?
I do. Because there is an unholy push that rayn should be mafia because statistics.
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On March 05 2024 08:08 iamperfection wrote:
Nobody called him scum just not confirmed town you goof
THEN NOBODY WILL EVER BE CONFIRMED.
HE IS A 7 PAGE FILTER VIVAX WITH READS
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Oh ok. Mafia is going the Vivax is probably town and blue but idiotic for reasons so let's not make him mayor but this guy who calls literally everybody town and has amazing reads should be.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town
In the meantime I also got a townread from rayn.
DP went to mafia though.
So that is 2 mafia.
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On March 05 2024 08:09 iamperfection wrote:
Confirmed means by game mechanics he can't be scum you dolt
Ok if that is your only way to confirm somebody. Fair.
If I see a 7 page 24h Vivax I am putting him on the confirmed pile.
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mafia is rayn, marv, tfrel and 2 lurkers
Town misslynches pushed by mafia are VE
Town misslynches pushed by town are most likely TTS, MZ, DMB and CC
That's where I am now.
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On March 05 2024 08:16 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:15 Koshi wrote:
mafia is rayn, marv, tfrel and 2 lurkers
Town misslynches pushed by mafia are VE
Town misslynches pushed by town are most likely TTS, MZ, DMB and CC
That's where I am now. What is DP?
He is town in my opinion. I don't think he is being seriously pushed so he didn't make the list.
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Also. In my opinion mafia knows TownMayor!Vivax is a bad thing for them. They also believe the claim and they want to just shoot him N1.
I believe they are ok with him being ridiculed. I believe they prefer anybody else being mayor. They are content with his situation as it is. Not on track to be mayor and not taking seriously.
For some reason I can see Rels being mafia and being the exception. I don't know why. Maybe because he is pushing TTS wrongly and wants to also be right about something as mafia. I can't explain it.
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On March 05 2024 08:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote:
So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. Tbh I understand why you might think that about me. But I think sand looks really townie in the thread.
Yes he is confused atm but he will get there.
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On March 05 2024 08:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know why anyone cares what anyone claimed on D1, if they're real claims then they're making awful plays that ruin the game and we'll deal with that when it's relevant. Until then it's chaff and I'm tired of reading about it.
My friend, I understand what you are saying. But if it is a real claim, we need to adopt and flame Vivax after the game for being an idiot. If it is a false claim, we need to bring back the award thread and give Vivax a prize for best shennanies.
The question is. Is this 7 page Vivax town or not?
Like you said. Look beyond the goddamn claim. Look beyond what the fake!media tells you about Vivax. Is Vivax town? Is he playing for town, is he trying to solve the game? If he is. Just make him mayor. Like. Who the fuck cares. If he is town. Make him mayor.
He brought so much discussion in this game. I can genuinely say his claim made it easier for me to make reads.
Even scum!marv is coming out of hiding to stop the progression being made right here.
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On March 04 2024 12:59 Vivax wrote:
I like Jacob shrugging it off that I found him a bit suspicious early, and I tend to read his writing style as scummy I think.
So for now I am at:
Maximum town: Me
Townish: DP, JS, iamp
Unsure: MZ
Very unsure: Trfel
Scummy : Oats
MZ is mayor competition and I believe would be an ideal mafia candidate. Can‘t pin much on him though. His focus pn conversing with Trfel is noteworthy.
Trfel seemed like he mistook MZ for me with the promise to vote Palmar. Strikes me as low confidence tone wise.
DP I think is actively looking for mafia already and I felt like I had a congruent thinking moment when it came to Oats.
On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel
On March 04 2024 23:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel Forgot to include iamp to town. Considering adding DMB to the town pile. Let‘s make it so.
This guy is reading the thread. Keeping up with his scumreads and townreads. And playing the game.
rayn, I call everybody town, is not.
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On March 05 2024 08:20 justanothertownie wrote:
We would have to have a serious talk about the additional kill though.
Funny but I think it needs to be Vivax now. I just don't see any other option.
Unless anybody tells me he is mafia.
But literally everybody calls him town. Everybody.
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##unvoteMayor
##Mayor: Vivax
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marv vote between rayn and Vivax please. I want you to pledge your vote already. If you are town it would actually ease my mind. I don't understand why you would need more time.
Mafia has 5 members. I want this to be obvious before I go to bed tomorrow.
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JAT also still loves you unconditionally so it would help town to proceed with this Mayor vote.
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If you want yourself. Vote yourself. Just vote. Please.
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On March 05 2024 08:55 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:54 Koshi wrote:
marv vote between rayn and Vivax please. I want you to pledge your vote already. If you are town it would actually ease my mind. I don't understand why you would need more time.
Mafia has 5 members. I want this to be obvious before I go to bed tomorrow. You lose the right to make requests from me because you call me pathetic every game we play
Only before you are lock town. After that I am nice. That mostly happens on D2
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On March 05 2024 08:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:55 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:54 Koshi wrote:
marv vote between rayn and Vivax please. I want you to pledge your vote already. If you are town it would actually ease my mind. I don't understand why you would need more time.
Mafia has 5 members. I want this to be obvious before I go to bed tomorrow. You lose the right to make requests from me because you call me pathetic every game we play Only before you are lock town. After that I am nice. That mostly happens on D2
No it is mostly on part 2 of D1. So maybe already tomorrow.
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Rels is playing so good. Isn't he normally a guy who gathers a lot of votes on him as town and then comes back near EoD and tries to defend himself and fail?
I know he can play good. But mostly if he is left alone till later.
He upsets me but I don't know why.
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On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one?
I am null on you.
As mafia, you are doing well if your tactic is not to get a bunch of votes on you.
If you are town, I didn't find anything you said impactful enough to change my mind.
Would be nice if you could put yourself out there with some insightful information that tickles my brain.
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6) Trfel
8) Jealous
10) Palmar
15) Hapahauli
18) ToTheStars
Those are all good options to shoot or lynch into.
Personally I need to work out
1) raynpelikoneet
20) Rels
People like JLS, MZ, CC, Mebaby are not lynchable today imo
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If I get really really angry at rayn he is most of the time town. Maybe always even.
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On March 05 2024 09:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:36 Koshi wrote:
6) Trfel
8) Jealous
10) Palmar
15) Hapahauli
18) ToTheStars
Those are all good options to shoot or lynch into.
Personally I need to work out
1) raynpelikoneet
20) Rels
People like JLS, MZ, CC, Mebaby are not lynchable today imo I would kinda agree minus Trfel, for all the discussion on him nothing has really stuck for me. Could be information overload though. I think it'll be easier when there's less people in the thread. I like DMB not so sure on CC and MZ but probably not much point on an early lynch on mz (could lynch cop but they're active enough if they are scum it'll be revealed more later. I'm also thinking we don't lynch VE as it is true VE always dies early as town so.
Has something struck you in a townie way about Tfrel?
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On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
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On March 05 2024 10:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. This is fair, it is very safe play. Particuarly with it petering out. as someone reading it without any meta knowledge it didn't look sus but I'll take your word for it that it's counter meta. Oh also Unvote Koshi btw that was mostly a vote to see if I could rile you up tbh
tfrel first page 1 game ago:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/618165-winter-warfare-mafia?user=Trfel
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I'll read Oats tomorrow. I didn't do that at all. Even though I played this game for like 5 out of the last 6 hours lol.
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I am tired. So stupid to stay up so long.
Oh well.
Gameplan for today:
Lynch and shoot into people with <3 pages of filter
Read Oats & rayn
Reread tfrel in an attempt to untunnel
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Why Oats is Town or at the very least should not be lynched today/tomorrow:
1) Starts the game attacking everybody. I link that to a townie trying to form reads, trying to get involved. He doesn't do it in a contrived way, trying to sow distrust on a few lynchbait candidates. He just goes full out on everybody. I like it.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. This literally makes no sense
On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game
On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:23 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Finish the thought ? Scummy lol why is that not clear
On March 04 2024 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.
And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game Do you think the townreads are good or bad
2) He keeps up if somebody interacts with him. Both DP and Vivax attacked him, he didn't back down, didn't change tone. Just kept playing his game:
On March 04 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor Why would I not want to be mayor? What would that mean for my alignment if it was true? Getting mayor and yeeting town invites much more suspicion than otherwise which is obviously not something that you’d want to do as mafia
On March 04 2024 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:37 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
@grack how do we differentiate lynch and mayor votes 1. You forgot to greenfont 2. I don‘t like this post Don't you feel like oats was way more together in the game on MS. Like he was the one nit picking small details. Oats is smart and the acting dense shtick seems fake to me. He‘s spamming too much it forces everybody else to post more containment garbage. Ridiculous statement when I have way more useful content than you
On top I like that he is confident in his contributions to the thread. Town!Oats believes he is more valuable than Vivax at the moment.
3) Isn't willing to participate in 'useless" conversation. Called something wrong out, but then dropped it all together after MZ and tfrel talked about it.
On March 04 2024 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. Where is your data that the second wagon is more likely scum
4) He stays inquisitive when he is in the thread. Doesn't fall off after a good start.
On March 05 2024 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well.
I masoned marv.
There is not much in our chat, we've been brainstorming a little bit. Basically we both think sandroba is town and Vivax' push on him is not scummy, just wrong. That's pretty much all. thoughts on Marv then?
On March 05 2024 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” Lies and slander I will be town so you should vote me mayor Okay so clearly you are reading, any thoughts pertaining to the game at all?
On March 05 2024 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:50 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:50 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:44 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:41 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
##vote: Palmar To lynch I assume? Obviously Surface level, obvious townreads without Palmar-esque reasoning behind them. Trying too hard to be funny. Mafia A solid case Best in the thread tbh I will go with that for now. Its solid ev regardless of the involved alignments. What are you saying here?
On March 05 2024 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power. OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor. I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around. This is a softing scum read post, do you actually scum read iamp and why?
5) Unique player, unique views? Bit tongue in cheeck because I disagree with his 3 scumreads. Maybe I could be convinced on DMB today but then I would need to reread first. But I can see town!Oats have these reads.
This point does not make Oats town but I want to end my write up with this because it might help in the future to understand where he is.
On March 05 2024 10:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway here’s where I’m at
Town: koshi, iamp, rayn
Mafia: VE, jacob, DMB
I have no opinion on him not understanding the setup and his slam conversation about me.
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Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.
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On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.
I first typed less annoying but changed it because it is not annoying to vote out an inactive.
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On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.
That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up.
Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read.
Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar.
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##Vote Palmar
The game is on. I know you will try to convince us otherwise so I am happy to see it.
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On March 05 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up. Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read. Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar. What happened to town gets to decide who Vivax kills? If you do not trust him to keep that promise you should switch your vote back to yourself.
That's my point. It shows mafia agenda to lazily pile on Town!Oats now.
I started today and my first thing was. I need to reread Oats very carefully because our Mayor wants him out and we need to help our Mayor in case he is wrong.
Palmar should have done the same. Instead he delivered what he delivered.
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On March 05 2024 19:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up. Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read. Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar. I didn't filter him beyond what I posted, but ok. I don't really feel the need to be careful or thoughtful. I'm posting the things I notice in the thread. I'm not going to play this game like the last one that was a comeback game after years of inactivity. If I die, I die. I'm leading the lynch vote right now, so I kinda want to get my thoughts out, no matter if they're completed processes or not. And additionally, just doing that and being in the thread is very helpful to get an understanding and more insight into the game.
Fact. I am glad you are doing it and I am here criticizing it. If you think I was unfair, you can tell me why.
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rayn is not scumhunting.
On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think Cake is town?
I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town?
On March 04 2024 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel looks too clean, it worries me.
Great question by marv because I was going to ask you guys before I read this.
On March 04 2024 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:20 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think Cake is town?
I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town? I don't think he can't per se. I just think he wouldn't. Like let's be honest Slam is voting either Hapa, marv or rayn for mayor (unless he has to pick someone else), mostly Hapa. I can't possibly understand why he makes posts like: "Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor" or "Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch." Is he ever going to actually vote for either of those people for mayor? Especially VE for THAT reasoning? I just don't see the point of putting it like that. It's kind of a townread but still not really. And i can't possibly understand why he wants me for mayor, why would you EVER want anyone for mayor who wants to lynch you??? Just because i agreed with 2 of his reads like 3 hours into the game?
The slam read doesn't convince me. Point 1 is not something I would read slam mafia for. Not sure why rayn does. Slam has martyred as town a lot. At some point long ago it was a bit of a towntell.
Point 2 when asked about by marv doesn't convince me at all.
The tfrel read is throwaway and can be a bus even.
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On March 05 2024 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well.
I masoned marv.
There is not much in our chat, we've been brainstorming a little bit. Basically we both think sandroba is town and Vivax' push on him is not scummy, just wrong. That's pretty much all.
Nothing noteworthy in chat? Ok rayn.
On March 05 2024 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think marv is town.
Why is that then?
On March 05 2024 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Oh Trfel and marv also said iamp looks townish, i doubt mafia marv makes that read about mafia iamp, so it's a legit read from town marv or 100% correct read from mafia marv.
Ok. This started with a question from Tfrel to rayn which rayn answered with same lame meta. But then both iamp and tfrel reacted to it so he changes it to a weak association read.
Not impressed.
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny
On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads.
On March 05 2024 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:57 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads. Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately. I am unsure of why it should look worse for him to tell those reads to me privately rather than posting them in thread? Because i find it the opposite.
Here Sandroba senses the same as I do I think. There is bullshit coming from rayn and sandroba asks rayn why he is so weirdly ok with marv.
rayn is just dodging it in a infuriating way. Might be on me. But this shit makes my blood boil.
The thread has nothing. marv is not playing. And he is holding back information.
Why? Just why?
Anyway. Big dislike.
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On March 05 2024 20:13 CopCake wrote:
I think the game inside the game Slam was “less free”. If something to read Slam as town is not his “martyr” but his way of saying things not caring if he makes someone mad or not. Also the overuse of Hijole and random stuff unintentionally.
So you believe that Slam is not carefree enough and showed that by saying he might vote Tfrel?
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On March 05 2024 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##UnMayor: Vivax
##Mayor: raynpelikoneet
Actually this is probably still better!!!
How? rayn is smart. How is this better?
He isn't particularly mad at Vivax. He isn't concerned the claim is true and Vivax might die.
Him mayor is better? Really?
I think he is mafia and he knew the town play was to vote Vivax because he is smart. But there was so much hate coming towards Vivax from townies like iamp that he felt safe to vote himself again.
That is what I think.
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On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list.
I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town.
And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
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On March 05 2024 20:21 CopCake wrote:
Marv is Rayn’s second gay crush, so I dont see anything weird there.
I think Rayn said also that Marv have a similar reads before he shared his. I know this doesnt clear Rayn but it sounds like normal Rayn.
IF my opinion has some weight on you, I think rayn is more agressive and angry as mafia. Only once I think he has been happy as mafia is when someone sent him whisky for having a good scum game, I think that was Happa.
1) I sounds like marv posted his reads first, and then rayn townread marv because the reads are the same. Which does not make rayn town.
2) I don't think him being not angry enough cancels out what I pointed out here.
You think rayn is having fun this game? I think if he was town and he was happy and eagerly to play, his game would look different than what he is showing here.
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I need to talk to rayn so he can convince me he is town regardless of his alignment.
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On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top.
But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
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On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
I disagree with that mafia is on board.
When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was
1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone.
2) no town circle
3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that)
I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job
to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn)
to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch
to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start.
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and if we do all that. Mafia can only follow. But they can't control the thread which they would be able to do 15 hours ago
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On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that.
Last game I was so sure he was town.
What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive.
Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
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For me Palmar & tfrel need to go. You can swap them out for Hapa and Jealous if you want. But they should be modkilled. It's sad but just unfair after 0 posts. I thought everybody except 3 confirmed? I was one of the 3 that didn't join the discord yet.
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If you click a filter and see 3 or less pages. You can lynch/shoot that person.
I think that is fair.
Rels/JAT/VE/DMB all on 3.
Tfrel/Palmar on 2:
TTS/Hapa/Jealous on 1
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Lazy but effective strategy
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On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please.
Did you wrote what I said about Oats? I dont think he is mafia. I actually think he is town.
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Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot.
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On March 05 2024 23:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (6): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (10):
With 6 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Oatsmaster (3) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
ToTheStars (3): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Palmar (3) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Koshi (1) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
CopCake (0): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(8):
Jealous, DMB, MZ, Palmar, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes, Trfel
With 3 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Call it a wild theory but I'd guess there's already easy mafia to find among the nonvoters here, possibly multiple.
Same odds as by going on filter count probably.
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This is going pretty well.
Palmar and Happa
I am happy with that
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On March 06 2024 01:08 Vivax wrote:
For posterity I‘ll let it be known that if I had a say I‘d have lynched Trfel.
No worries though won‘t try to be a hero.
I am going to trust CC and Sandroba. Otherwise I would have as well liked it. But maybe not over Palmar and Hapa.
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On March 06 2024 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nobody wants to talk to me or what
I made a towncase on you
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On March 06 2024 02:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:53 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nobody wants to talk to me or what I made a towncase on you Thanks bestie But that’s talking about me not to me smh. Talk to me about marv pls
Not much to say. He decided to hide part 1.
He then came out and voted palmar which was at that time a good vote. He forced palmar to do things and put himself open to be attacked by a town Palmar.
The reasons why marv finds Palmar mafia are his own. I can't relate as much. But like I said, Palmar very lazily piled onto you and he should have done better there.
Can't be a lurker, get called out by marv, and then be lazy in the 5 serious posts you try to make.
So he was ok because the vote he made, then became more than ok after Palmar failed to deliver.
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Is it good or not good that this lynch goes so badly. No second wagon. So many people hiding their vote.
There is no reason that the main lynch isnt as one sided as the Mayor lynch.
I go to bed early today so would like to see some more votes.
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Should I send in a name? Seems unnecessairy.
I am going to be early today. Yesterday drained me.
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... This again? Just let Vivax be Mayor or call him scum.
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Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1.
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On March 06 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1. Palmar looks way better though.
He doesn't.
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On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting.
Is it?
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On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS.
hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
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For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar.
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On March 06 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
I just hadn't read the thread all that much Koshi when I talked about Oats.
I've backed off it now.
But you know, I don't really think I can convince you so I'm not really going to try. You have a hardon for killing me, did your best last game as well.
Which is why I always come back to marv, I SHOULD be able to convince him to at least think I'm town.
Will you do the hypothetical Koshi? Assume I'm town and flip, what changes in your stance on the game?
I didn't try to kill you that hard last game. I was sheeping marv and saying mebaby should be killed. Only during the night I went from mebaby&rayn to mebaby&you because rayn was nice to me.
You should be able to convince him. But you didn't try.
You are now trying. When he isn't here. And more likely asleep.
You should have tried when he was there. And you utterly failed and I don't blame marv.
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On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia.
Why now? Why not 2-3 hours ago
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On March 06 2024 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before.
So for the record. You say Palmar is town?
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On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:16 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before. So for the record. You say Palmar is town? What? How do you arrive at that conclusion from what I said?
Sorry. My brain is in combat mode.
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On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia.
Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar.
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On March 06 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw. Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much. No I mean, why am I not on this list.
because you townread palmar
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On March 06 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:28 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw. Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much. No I mean, why am I not on this list. because you townread palmar Brutal.
I laughed
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DP just stay the course on Hapa and Palmar.
If they are mafia or even 1 only, we get a lot of information. Lynching tfrel does not do that.
Palmar town is not horrible. Palmar mafia is great.
Hapa is a good shot. I am proud to be in a town that shoots idiots.
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On March 06 2024 07:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Why are we lynching either of trfel or jat? Kinda hard to be anything but cba in my position but believe me, I'm trying to be better.
Y'all have boomer levels of ability to think in someone else's shoes, by the way. I get that some of you actually are in fact boomers, but the crazy thing is they are the ones seeing my plight lol.
JAT because he sits in my ass and pzople dont like it. I also never liked it when he did it with marv.
Tfrel because he is underwhelming compared to his last game.
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On March 06 2024 07:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:35 Koshi wrote:
DP just stay the course on Hapa and Palmar.
If they are mafia or even 1 only, we get a lot of information. Lynching tfrel does not do that.
Palmar town is not horrible. Palmar mafia is great.
Hapa is a good shot. I am proud to be in a town that shoots idiots. Im not going to lynch someone I now think is town. This is how I get my town reads most games, and usually they are fucking air-tight accurate.
Ok fair enough. You do you.
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DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it.
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Oh marv is back. Ok.
I leave everything in his hands.
Gn.
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[b]##unvote
##vote: Trfel[/b
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Oh man. Just search for tfrel in my filter and you will read all the things why he is mafia.
oof if he flips mafia I will have to vote rayn next. It's all in my filter.
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Well didnt expect this.
Good read by sandroba and cc.
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On March 06 2024 16:37 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:13 Koshi wrote:
Well didnt expect this.
Good read by sandroba and cc. Art thou thy buddies in scum? I see thou art speechless at the gallows that hang before thee.
I am extremely thankful for your case on me.
The more people you get to convince. The more likely I survive the night.
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On March 06 2024 18:56 Palmar wrote:
Kinda important for town to not lose hope and devolve into bullshit though. No matter the outcome, at least one (hapa) of the lynches was a good play by policy. No reason to beat ourselves up over taking out trash on day 1. Plenty of time left so just keep morale up and stay positive.
This is so true. We are doing just fine.
2 good lynches.
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On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.
I actually like this list. I wasn't going to comment while catching up but this deserves some attention. Could just be the mafia team.
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We are going to lose if it is. But it is a nice list to fall back onto when things look grim during N2.
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Not gonna lie. I am still on page 131.
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On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:this is so bad it deserves to be lynched.
I dislike this comment from you. Do you have CC as town so much that you are disappointed in her scumreads?
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On March 06 2024 14:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 13:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its completely unreasonable to think those people are mafia for lynching Trfel unless you think Palmar is 100% mafia. My theory is that they wanted Tfrel out of the equation. I honestly do not know where to place Palmar there. Ie. Koshi wanted to lynch Tfrel but he respected other people’s view on him he contained (even mine) Here, we have vivax who called tfrel bad and mafia many times for not being active when I proved that Tfrel is not a spammer. 🤷🏽♀️ They only started the wagon because DP came in. DP knows about Tfrel good reads. It also bugs me a lot that Tfrel HAVE talked about his mental health issues before and there are several active TL frequent posters who know that. I have never also found Vivax to be pedantic? And in this game it feels so. He tends to fight the status quo but not here.
Vivax is never mafia. He is too active, too funny and he is making really good observations.
The other 2 are fair game if you want to pursue them.
I think DP could be mafia. We should limit his posts to 60 for D2. If he does more we policy lynch him.
I think he very well could be mafia shitting up this thread.
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On March 06 2024 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 16:43 marvellosity wrote:
Sigh. I’m just perpetually behind and I’m just tired from getting less sleep for 2 nights
This game is too big for little old me. I remember why I used to only join minis now
25 pages from you; you goddamn fucker. You are a mini on your own.
(I say this with love)
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On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR?
I like this.
We should be friends on D2. I only want to kill you on D3 so we should have a good 96 hours.
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On March 07 2024 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:we need to do this during night because koshi and dp are gonna throw, at least vivax is coming around
nono I am getting there
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On March 07 2024 00:27 iamperfection wrote:
I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too.
He puts in too much work to be mafia. If he is. He is insane.
He also carefully reads posts that I just skip.
I think he is a very organized person irl.
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Which is not compatible with this clusterfuck of a thread.
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Oats is town for the scumslip thing on Cake. In addition I like how he didn't vote Tfrel when iamp and DP went for him.
Vivax is so town for keeping up with the thread. And he saw the same rage after flip from CC as I did.
big oooooffff on iamp replying to tfrel on the mental health issues. That can't come from mafia iamp.
Copcake seems genuine upset after the lynch. Solidifies my townread on her. Also her scumreads are people who will be killed in the next 2 nights. It will be glorious to see her posts on D3.
JAT made a scumcase on my 2 scums. Good stuff.
Town!MZ would have been angered by the 2 townflips. His first post after the lynch is 2 pages further and starts with lmfo. He is a prime candidate for mafia.
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels.
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That's what I wrote down. It is worthless for you guys but good for me if I ever read my filter.
I think I can go with
MZ
Rels
and then outliers I didn't think about but seem very possible
VE
mebaby
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I don't think I want to lynch Palmar or DP till D4. Which means it won't be my problem.
I do believe we should limit DP his posting. 25 pages and it is getting too much.
If he is having fun that is fine.
But come on.
Even I am like "wtf bro"
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I only have 9. Knowing I have freely spammed I am surprised I can't keep up.
I read all 180 pages so far though. That is nice.
Really fun game. I hope I won't die.
I am still very puzzled on who could be mafia. MZ I think is a lock lynch.
But after that. No idea.
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I am pretty sure I wont die. But for shit and giggles.
MZ
Rels
Jacob
Mebaby
TTS
Because I hope you are town VE.
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I say we don't kill Oats but I haven't read anything. I always thought Oats was town when he posted.
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I am aware he is redchecked though.
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I'll check 1 thing. If it looks like Oats has convinced himself somebody is mafia. That is one thing that I dont remember from his posts. Even the votes
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Still havznt reread Oats.
But lynching somebody who seems townie is retarded.
Mafia needs to rb Vivax. So they cant keep slam alive.
Why cant we lynch MZ today?
Oats can be alive as long as we want.
Is the traitor a redcheck before recruited? Because that would also make sense.
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On March 07 2024 22:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 22:37 Koshi wrote:
Still havznt reread Oats.
But lynching somebody who seems townie is retarded.
Mafia needs to rb Vivax. So they cant keep slam alive.
Why cant we lynch MZ today?
Oats can be alive as long as we want.
Is the traitor a redcheck before recruited? Because that would also make sense. I like your contrarian position. I will be your devil‘s advocate. But why MZ ?
I also havent read MZ or thought of a case beyond. "He typed lmao after the 2 town flips during n1"
It's a bit more nuanced but not really.
I just dont understand why we are lynching a townread. Framer, miller or slam is lying (maybe not that)
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Strong pick by slam. Pretty sure it is legit after quickly looking at Slams post before EoN.
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On March 07 2024 22:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote:
Oats is town for the scumslip thing on Cake. In addition I like how he didn't vote Tfrel when iamp and DP went for him.
Vivax is so town for keeping up with the thread. And he saw the same rage after flip from CC as I did.
big oooooffff on iamp replying to tfrel on the mental health issues. That can't come from mafia iamp.
Copcake seems genuine upset after the lynch. Solidifies my townread on her. Also her scumreads are people who will be killed in the next 2 nights. It will be glorious to see her posts on D3.
JAT made a scumcase on my 2 scums. Good stuff.
Town!MZ would have been angered by the 2 townflips. His first post after the lynch is 2 pages further and starts with lmfo. He is a prime candidate for mafia.
Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels. I'm taking it your scum read is here, bc you didn't like the way I reacted to the lynch? I was extremely frustrated with people lynching someone I had a townread on and also frustrated that I've spent most of the game playing catchup on the thread. I feel like every time I've pointed out stuff that I view is scummy, nobody responds and when I ask people direct questions they just blow me off, Palmar not responding to the whisper is kinda the cherry on top. If you're gonna try to lynch me instead of a literal red check because I said lmfao in a post then I don't think I have anything productive to say to you to change your mind. It feels like the folks who have filtered me only do so bc they want confirmation to their assumption that I'm scum.
I remember you being supermad after a pretty good townlynch 3 games ago. This time you didnt even flynch.
Anyway. I still have to read your filter. And will quote the post I am talking about. And for completeness will add all other post flip reactions since then.
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On March 07 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote:
Slam posted a readslist and survived the night but that could have been rayn‘s doing. It speaks against a fakeclaim mostly.
I don‘t discount one of those to be additional scum KP.
They have 2 kp first 2 nights?
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On March 07 2024 22:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 22:46 Koshi wrote:On March 07 2024 22:41 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 22:37 Koshi wrote:
Still havznt reread Oats.
But lynching somebody who seems townie is retarded.
Mafia needs to rb Vivax. So they cant keep slam alive.
Why cant we lynch MZ today?
Oats can be alive as long as we want.
Is the traitor a redcheck before recruited? Because that would also make sense. I like your contrarian position. I will be your devil‘s advocate. But why MZ ? I also havent read MZ or thought of a case beyond. "He typed lmao after the 2 town flips during n1" It's a bit more nuanced but not really. I just dont understand why we are lynching a townread. Framer, miller or slam is lying (maybe not that) Be better than this Koshi. That's an objectively terrible case to lynch me on instead of a red check. If you were arguing for someone like VE I'd still say you're wrong because the chance this check is wrong is so low. Even if it wasn't me you're scum reading I'd still say this is bad.
Yes obviously it is terrible. But is it wrong?
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On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
If that last line is true. I must look very scummy in your eyes.
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Ok. So we believe slam is town?
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On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people.
Oh. Maybe I shouldnt fuck up and listen to rayn.
Ok. It's Oats or Palmar.
Think I'll vote Palmar.
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I dont want to waste this day because I might have not many left. But I admit my posts here are trash. Ok. I will think and come back with something better.
MZ not sure why you want to shade me for thinking and talking during this dead period.
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On March 08 2024 02:11 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? What do you think about my MZ post and dmb? It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it. Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people. I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment. RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then. I’m not really sure what you were trying to say with the first part unless you are saying that I saw that post and went wait wtf then filtered MZ, in which case that’s absolutely correct. That’s fine regarding dmb. You’ve spent a whole bunch of time looking at other peoples reads, can we get some of your reads? 1) raynpelikoneet - Was scum reading, flipped town. 2) Oatsmaster - Was town reading, have to assume scum. 3) DarthPunk - Still town reading. 4) Vivax - Still have to assume town read. 5) sandroba - Was town reading, flipped town. 6) Trfel - Was neutral, sheeped Koshi's vote reasons, flipped town. 7) marvellosity - Still green. 8) Jealous - I'm VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Was leaning town, still leaning town but not as confident as other reads. 10) Palmar - Was neutral but unimpressed, now thinking town is somewhat likely. 11) justanothertownie - Was neutral, had ups and downs, now back to neutral-ish. 12) die_meatbaby - Was neutral, went down, now I am just withholding judgment until further info. 13) CopCake - Still lynchable to me. 14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to believe roleclaim at this point in time at least. 15) Hapahauli - Guessed town despite policy lynch status, flipped town. 16) Iamperfection - Was town, still town. 17) Koshi - Was town, still town, but am less confident compared to before. 18) ToTheStars - Was leaning scum, that hasn't changed and they've been absent, good lynch IMO. 19) VisceraEyes - Was neutral, leaning scum due to PoE and relative reads to others basically. 20) Rels - Was neutral, still fairly neutral mostly due to lack of impressions on activity, will filter next. 21) Alakaslam - Was leaning lynch/scum/wtf, now have to believe claim at this moment.
Why am I less town? Thread sentiment I guess.
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On March 08 2024 02:13 CopCake wrote:This is not even questioned from my part. 1.- Slam´s personality is not the kind of the - plays - 2.- He is very stressed, I think he already shared that and joined last minute. 3.- His reasons to visit Oats makes sense. Even tho I dont consider he was being rude per se I understand why he could see it like that. 4.- Slam is not the kind to kill his - friends -, remember the game he kept chezinu alive? I think from these player base Rayn is probably his favorite person, I know mafia slam could be in a team BUT see points 1,2,3. I want to discuss the deaths if you allow me to
Yes. Just got home. Got time because for some reason nobody is home.
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If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane.
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Ahya
sandroba: maybe also reads?
Goddamn the combination is weird. So not iamp/DP/marv or myself. And I checked. Rayn didnt scumread Oats.
I need to reread sandroba. I didnt read into him except I thought he was town and he defended tfrel. But I dont think he was seen as town as for example me.
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On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam.
Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue?
But then marv is mafia.
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On March 08 2024 02:30 CopCake wrote:
Can someone the recent Mafia DP game?
This is the second time I ask.
It was 9n another site
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On March 08 2024 02:44 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:18 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:11 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? What do you think about my MZ post and dmb? It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it. Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people. I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment. RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then. I’m not really sure what you were trying to say with the first part unless you are saying that I saw that post and went wait wtf then filtered MZ, in which case that’s absolutely correct. That’s fine regarding dmb. You’ve spent a whole bunch of time looking at other peoples reads, can we get some of your reads? 1) raynpelikoneet - Was scum reading, flipped town. 2) Oatsmaster - Was town reading, have to assume scum. 3) DarthPunk - Still town reading. 4) Vivax - Still have to assume town read. 5) sandroba - Was town reading, flipped town. 6) Trfel - Was neutral, sheeped Koshi's vote reasons, flipped town. 7) marvellosity - Still green. 8) Jealous - I'm VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Was leaning town, still leaning town but not as confident as other reads. 10) Palmar - Was neutral but unimpressed, now thinking town is somewhat likely. 11) justanothertownie - Was neutral, had ups and downs, now back to neutral-ish. 12) die_meatbaby - Was neutral, went down, now I am just withholding judgment until further info. 13) CopCake - Still lynchable to me. 14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to believe roleclaim at this point in time at least. 15) Hapahauli - Guessed town despite policy lynch status, flipped town. 16) Iamperfection - Was town, still town. 17) Koshi - Was town, still town, but am less confident compared to before. 18) ToTheStars - Was leaning scum, that hasn't changed and they've been absent, good lynch IMO. 19) VisceraEyes - Was neutral, leaning scum due to PoE and relative reads to others basically. 20) Rels - Was neutral, still fairly neutral mostly due to lack of impressions on activity, will filter next. 21) Alakaslam - Was leaning lynch/scum/wtf, now have to believe claim at this moment. Why am I less town? Thread sentiment I guess. You've been lazy/busy but somehow still have the conviction to not lynch Oats, or at least claim to. Some little piece of me suspects you said that to get reactions, which is supported by you later saying it is terrible. Maybe you're playing around/holding your cards close to your chest. I'm not getting a good read on you recently, and I don't like that, but I'm also not good so I can't judge too harshly. Still, a lot of your recent posts are "haven't read your filter but X" or just meta-reads (like MZ). Asking questions but not offering too much besides that. It just doesn't feel good. But, not so bad that I'm downgrading you.
Probably fair.
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On March 08 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:39 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:30 CopCake wrote:
Can someone the recent Mafia DP game?
This is the second time I ask.
It was 9n another site I need a link
Need to ask DP then. I dont know which site
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I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar
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TTS is not a good lynch today. I have been disappointed by townies and this could just be that.
DP can shoot him.
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Oh there is also dmb. Bwaa she can stay alive. We let our Mayor handle that down the line.
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Oh wait. Jacob claimed gunsmith right. Ok. So swap Jacob with dmb then.
What a weird progression Jacob took on me.
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On March 08 2024 06:30 iamperfection wrote:
Did you see my point about his comeback post.
No I didnt read from my last post during night to when I came back yet. I think I saw something you wrote but I forgot.
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On March 08 2024 06:31 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar Do you think mz claims he masons his own scum partner and then claims they don’t say anything?
Well I didnt factor that in but my 5 names make me feel good.
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I havent done much today and wont have much time tomorrow. Maybe after 8pm I can sneak some time in.
This is the best I can do atm.
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On March 08 2024 06:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Well koshi is being shit tbh
Yes. I also had higher hopes for myself this game. But I think I will have time to redeem myself. Would be crazy if I died.
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I woke up today thinking I am going to vote Oats and we were all wrong on him.
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On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1.
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On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now
You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested.
I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE.
MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch)
Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch.
Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc.
My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck)
So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn)
And then TTS who could be anything.
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VE is likely mafia. He was lynched d3 recently as mafia and it was because he became too lazy.
So I would vote him before Palmar.
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On March 08 2024 17:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc. My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck) So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn) And then TTS who could be anything. Just saying your reads are almost exactly the same as mine lol
Ok, I am a bit behind so cant factcheck but I am voting VE.
I hope people stop being stupid and dont lynch you.
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On March 08 2024 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm so I took a gander through dmbs filter and I actually don’t see much mafia motivation there at this point. I can see what she was trying to say d1 now near the lynch and it makes sense with her not having 2 great candidates to pick
I disagree. I read the 3 last pages and she is quite reasonable.
I also think the why do we have 2 kills dumbness was kept up too long.
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On March 08 2024 21:10 CopCake wrote:
I know MZ asked me something, glanced it a while ago.
I considered odd that Slam picked Oats, as easy as that. It felt out of character tbqh.
Just read slam his read post during night and it is an ok check. Maybe he even crumbed it there.
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On March 08 2024 21:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:25 CopCake wrote:
Go ahead big boi, lynch me.
This is your town, no?
Or are you gonna start two trains out of thin air like with Tfrel and JAT? Can we park the whole CC DP business. At least till day 3 That goes to both of you
Let's make that d5. I should be dead by then.
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On March 08 2024 22:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. She could also be pretending to be traitor while you are the traitor tbh
I would be disappointed if mafia doesnt guess me at least once.
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On March 08 2024 23:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 22:15 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 22:11 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. She could also be pretending to be traitor while you are the traitor tbh I would be disappointed if mafia doesnt guess me at least once. Actually an amazing thing to say as traitor…
Yes I agree. But also as townie.
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On March 09 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote:
So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats Hi cake, what is this? Oh my bad, I forgot.
Why is rayns death important?
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On March 09 2024 00:19 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I want you to fight copcake over the right to be vigged first.
Hmm?
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On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
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If mafia found rayn without marv help and framed Oats as a gamble because they knew slam is cop I can only applaud them.
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On March 09 2024 02:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:22 iamperfection wrote:
Marv vote ve to give everyone something to think about. I’d love to but no As with the horrible Vivax election, today was always foretold.
Why not VE?
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Not sure why we are not voting VE and lynching our townread.
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Oats got to say. You did everything right.
If people complain about effort in future games I will post your performance. Solid through entire game and this town has no balls. Yesterday I was proud to be in this town. Today I am ashamed.
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Killing 19 pages Oats over all these shitters that dont care.
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(They care but are mafia)
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Worst math I have seen in a while.
If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
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On March 07 2024 11:55 Alakaslam wrote:
Reads from the S.L.A.M. fish! Yay! I really ought to ask to have my icon changed to a nuclear silo add-on...
Ahem. Of course, much of my incomprehensible nature comes from the fact that 90%of the time, I am phone posting. This has been true since 2012.
Please forgive any typos. I will keep trolling to a minimum.
Unfortunately, I have the random access memory of a gaming pc hopped up on PCI SSD hardware, but the hard memory of a commodore 64- so, what sticks sticks and what doesn't doesn't, so a lot of what and not a whole lot of why. This is almost as unpleasant for me as it is for you. I want to please, but I basically cannot.
That being said, reads!
By popular demand,
Die_meatbaby: Null to town. As Palmar sees me, so also I see Die_meatbaby. I can't actually read her that well. But whenever people have pedantic bullshit reasons for lynching, I get the heebie weenies. I have had them when lynching scum and switched off, so this feeling is unreliable. But dude Oats it's largely ESL and new and most game experience for her is with Slam, Chezinu, Copcake, and like, more trolls plus maybe Palmar and Marv just kinda dominating until Rayn starts yelling at them with her partner taking potshots as an equal opportunity confuser on a level to make me blush.
CopCake: similarly, her recent games have been full of trolls and gods with no Romans in between. That being said, she knows what Rome is like. She has seen it.
I think people forget that she is now doing as Romans do.
Null town.
For me, by the way, Null implies weak feeling. I can be unsure strongly, you will see when.
Darthpunk. That's when. There are times when I am certain he is scum, and times I am certain he is town. I can't call him Null and feel right. But I don't know which way ti call it.
Iamperfection is town.
Oats is pedantic. Pure unsure strongly.
Jealous is almost certainly town, or power scum. I tend to the former.
Rayn is lock town.
Marv likely town.
Please listen to iamp and lynch VisceraEyes. If for nothing else for pressure but ai think something else is there.
Shit 655 another post may be coming
So give some grace.
No sorry you didnt. Maybe some1 else did it in your post or I dreamed it.
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On March 09 2024 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait you are saying that the mafia team is playing THAT fast?
6:55 my time is 5 minutes until deadline
Ok first time I see the timestamp.
Ok ok ok
I admit.
I guess the chance is low but I dont believe Oats is mafia.
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On March 09 2024 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Like MZ that could be true but I am starting to build a team:
MZ Koshi Oats VE and ???
Rels and dmb. Dont forget those.
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On March 09 2024 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait you are saying that the mafia team is playing THAT fast?
6:55 my time is 5 minutes until deadline 5’minutes is plenty of time to submit an action. Normally people post end of night stuff like the minute before Fair point. Badass scum to pull you from that rather than DarthPunk
Next time you roll cop slam. Just
Dont claim
Play like you always do so survive till d3 or d4
N1 scout worst vet
N2 scout alternative wagon
D3 claim only if you had 2 succesful checks.
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On March 09 2024 07:43 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:42 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Like MZ that could be true but I am starting to build a team:
MZ Koshi Oats VE and ??? Rels and dmb. Dont forget those. Eh, I feel less sure on anyone else and you cleared this up ninja a little after I put it up.
Well I forgot which 5 names I have but it's those 4 with probably Palmar cuz rayn4life.
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On March 09 2024 07:44 Vivax wrote:
DMB, DP, JAT, MZ, VE
Koshi/Cop 1 traitor and maybe Koshi/Cop instead of DP.
DMB dumbtell was terrible and fake imo.
DP would be amazing. But I think he dies with slam tonight.
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On March 09 2024 07:46 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:44 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 09 2024 07:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait you are saying that the mafia team is playing THAT fast?
6:55 my time is 5 minutes until deadline 5’minutes is plenty of time to submit an action. Normally people post end of night stuff like the minute before Fair point. Badass scum to pull you from that rather than DarthPunk Next time you roll cop slam. Just Dont claim Play like you always do so survive till d3 or d4 N1 scout worst vet N2 scout alternative wagon D3 claim only if you had 2 succesful checks. This was my plan, but the 3 most trusted slam readers are Rayn, CopCake, and Chezinu. Rayn SR me immediately. I decided worst thing could happen is I get d1 lynch and Rayn (who I could already tell was town 100% and already wanted for mayor) would get discredited Didn't want that outcome and was mad he was SR me for less than usually good reasons for him
Well he docsaved you at the end.
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On March 09 2024 07:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:45 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:43 Alakaslam wrote:On March 09 2024 07:42 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:38 Alakaslam wrote:
Like MZ that could be true but I am starting to build a team:
MZ Koshi Oats VE and ??? Rels and dmb. Dont forget those. Eh, I feel less sure on anyone else and you cleared this up ninja a little after I put it up. Well I forgot which 5 names I have but it's those 4 with probably Palmar cuz rayn4life. Palmar scum would enjoy this too much to do so little. He'd go get wasted like MZ after such a blunder of a check.
I assume scumqt is having a disco party
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I think if Oats flips town marv is mafia over Palmar tbh. But maybe I am just angry he is voting his townread.
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On March 09 2024 07:48 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:47 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:46 Alakaslam wrote:On March 09 2024 07:44 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 09 2024 07:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait you are saying that the mafia team is playing THAT fast?
6:55 my time is 5 minutes until deadline 5’minutes is plenty of time to submit an action. Normally people post end of night stuff like the minute before Fair point. Badass scum to pull you from that rather than DarthPunk Next time you roll cop slam. Just Dont claim Play like you always do so survive till d3 or d4 N1 scout worst vet N2 scout alternative wagon D3 claim only if you had 2 succesful checks. This was my plan, but the 3 most trusted slam readers are Rayn, CopCake, and Chezinu. Rayn SR me immediately. I decided worst thing could happen is I get d1 lynch and Rayn (who I could already tell was town 100% and already wanted for mayor) would get discredited Didn't want that outcome and was mad he was SR me for less than usually good reasons for him Well he docsaved you at the end. Because I claimed? In a way this was a better result that what could have happened is what my wifom brain tells me.
If Oats is town.
We wasted all blue roles. And 2 out of 3 vig shots. And lost D2.
Amazing.
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Ahno rayn couldnt shoot. So only 1 gun wasted.
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On March 09 2024 07:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote:
I think if Oats flips town marv is mafia over Palmar tbh. But maybe I am just angry he is voting his townread. To be fair I'm voting a townread Oats as well
I hold marv in the highest esteems
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On March 09 2024 07:53 Palmar wrote:
It's 10v4 now with copcake doing some dumbassery on the sidelines.
It literally says 5 mafia in OP bro.
Dont try your fake ass dumbtell twice.
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Can I pls get recruited in the mafia team?
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On March 09 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:54 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 07:53 Palmar wrote:
It's 10v4 now with copcake doing some dumbassery on the sidelines. It literally says 5 mafia in OP bro. Dont try your fake ass dumbtell twice. I'm talking about the votes 10 on Oats 4 on VE
Ah
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Man if Palmar voted Oats all 5 mafia votes would have been on Oats. If this VE wakes up at least.
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They never vote together. I just want to see it once in my life.
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Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess.
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Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi
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On March 09 2024 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Copcake mafia would explain the rayn kill I guess. As would Palmar & VE.
Yes. That's why they are in my fab 5.
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On March 09 2024 08:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 08:00 Koshi wrote:
Also me being alive.
If cc and Oats are mafia I am basically playing for the mafia team.
Add in that I prevented a blue rayn from being Mayor.
Ohboi Wasn't that an accomplishment of your dear leader? What was your part in this travesty?
I feel bad about being mean to rayn.
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I can't believe it. I am in a happy mafia depression now.
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You gave us a chance slam. Cuz Oats was never gonna get lynched.
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If cake is mafia I better resign.
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Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter.
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Also Vivax is hilarious this game. Makes it easier to catch up.
My 3 are still
Rels
DMB
VE
But I will have to read what marv and Palmar bro moment was exactly about.
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On March 10 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:
Also Vivax is hilarious this game. Makes it easier to catch up.
My 3 are still
Rels
DMB
VE
But I will have to read what marv and Palmar bro moment was exactly about.
MZ is there as well still.
Ok 4 names.
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On March 10 2024 18:59 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 18:54 Koshi wrote:
Lynching Copcake is a mistake.
I would prefer ve or anything else that is consistent from marv and rayn filter. Marv and rayn were both not sure on cake. Marv last night even had doubts. Tell me why cake is town that is irrefutable, all of you did this shit to me last game.
Will do later
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On March 10 2024 19:57 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 19:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 18:20 CopCake wrote:
DP also consider this
From your perspective I am mafia.
You announced you want to kill either tts, dumb or me.
We know TTS was mafia. Why not block the person who was saying he would kill tts/mafiacake/mafiadumb.
Young lady, it breaks my heart. Why are you calling me dumb all the time? Might be autocorrect
Lolololololol
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On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Wait maybe dmb
Yup. Remove iamp and add dmb.
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On March 10 2024 20:08 CopCake wrote:
I think is a cute person
❤
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On March 10 2024 19:22 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Mafia roles this game if I was to guess.
Godfather
Framer
Mafia vig dp protected/or/goon actually cause tts role
Strongarm/or/roll blocker
Rolecop.
Godfather
Framer
RB
Rolecop
Goon
Sounds fair against what we have.
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I should put in some work but I am lazy.
Still think we should lynch VE now that Palmar looks town and marv flipped green.
Why was rayn dead?
Unlikely because they knew he was blue.
He kinda stopped posting second part of d1 so activity based alone seems unlikely.
So reads but those were Palmar and VE.
I will reread rayn soonish.
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On March 07 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP.
Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous.
If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia.
On March 07 2024 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp is also 1001% town, so what are you doing Oats?
On March 07 2024 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jacob comes off as really really townie on all fronts
On March 07 2024 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 02:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus Why are you playing like mafia rn?
On March 07 2024 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jat's case was actually good, on rels i mean.
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On March 10 2024 20:41 Palmar wrote:
As a rule I don’t think reading dead mafia is very helpful.
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Basically I thinkbrayn w1s correct on MZ DMB and VE.
Bit after that he attacks Oats.
And last one TTS was also in his PoE.
Palmar might have looked his biggest read and the reason he was killed. Bit I think that one might have been wrong.
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Oh there is no quote on Rels.
rayn said that a comment from Rels on Plmar was really good. So good they could be mafia together. That idea was strenghtened by the case from JAT on Rels.
Something like that.
I would say rayn was 50/50 on Rels.
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##Vote: VisceraEyes[/QUOTE]
Good idea tbh.
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Maybe Rels is town and playing a solid solitaire game.
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Vivax mayor is working out well. Thet keep rbing him for some reason.
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On March 10 2024 20:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, gotta admit that at least dp would probably not have gotten this shot off otherwise.
And the slam check. Even though slam might have claimed cuz vivax did? Not sure though.
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On March 11 2024 03:55 CopCake wrote:
I am here for an hour if someone wants to ask me something
Don't be sad and just keep posting at least once a day.
You dont even have to read the thread.
All info is already in this 200 page game already.
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Ah it's 300 even. Dafuq. You people are maniacs
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On March 11 2024 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 02:47 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 02:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 02:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
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I agree this is most likely.
##Vote: CopCake
/salute ##Vote: VE This one? The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely. well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well. If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon. That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart. I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up. But slam has to flip at some point yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing. Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday.
Well. They only need to protect their rb. Rest is not important anymore.
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Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
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Did somebody already analyse sandroba his filter? I will as well. Soon.
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On March 06 2024 22:37 sandroba wrote:
I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2.
Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town.
I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town.
By process of elimination here is what I'm at:
Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo
Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile:
mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam
This is where I'm at.
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On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.
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On March 11 2024 04:10 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:47 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 02:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 02:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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[quote]
This one?
The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely. well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well. If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon. That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart. I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up. But slam has to flip at some point yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing. Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday. Well. They only need to protect their rb. Rest is not important anymore. Mafia vig?
If there is one. He shot already.
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Sandroba spent a decent amount of posts calling me mafia, Oats town and copcake mafia.
If we disregard those, not that much is left except that list I quoted earlier.
So VE+Rels is mafia.
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On March 11 2024 04:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:16 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:10 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 02:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:47 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 02:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 11 2024 02:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 02:35 iamperfection wrote:
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well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well. If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon. That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart. I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up. But slam has to flip at some point yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing. Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday. Well. They only need to protect their rb. Rest is not important anymore. Mafia vig? If there is one. He shot already. How could that had been prevented by night actions? Rayn saving slam?
Yep. I think if they have a vig, that is likely.
But they might just be without vig and with a rolecop
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On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.
VE Rels MZ DMB
All other reads are silly.
But if you really want to go there I guess
Koshi
JAT
CC (only cuz sandroba)
Palmar (only cuz rayn)
Idiotic reads would be:
iamp
Jacob
DP
I forgot other people
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Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.
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On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him.
No Jealous is not town. Ok. He can join me/jat/cc
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On March 11 2024 04:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar. VE Rels MZ DMB All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn) Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP I forgot other people Ok yeah I miscounted how many people you had on your scumlist, that does work. I think you are very wrong about copcake, not to mention myself. I think you're wrong about DMB as well. You are very very heavily leaning on sandroba/rayn for your reads right now.
Yes. Because they are dead and I am not.
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marv would also always lynched VE over cc.
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Well ok. Let's say you are town MZ and you have a good read on dmb because you are both living in the side of town I never visit.
We have VE that needs to go.
Literally all stronger dead townies called this guy mafia. Had him in their top 2:
Sandroba
Rayn
Marv
That leaves
JAT
Jealous
Rels
For 2 mafia.
Cuz you protect DMB. I protect CC.
I think Rels and Jaelous is possible.
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On March 11 2024 04:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:31 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:26 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:15 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips? I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday. I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats. I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday. There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar. VE Rels MZ DMB All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn) Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP I forgot other people Ok yeah I miscounted how many people you had on your scumlist, that does work. I think you are very wrong about copcake, not to mention myself. I think you're wrong about DMB as well. You are very very heavily leaning on sandroba/rayn for your reads right now. Yes. Because they are dead and I am not. You're kinda cherry picking which of their reads that you want to sheep though, Sandroba also had CC in his list of mafia by POE.
Yes. CC is with me and JAT only because sandroba. I said that.
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On March 11 2024 04:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote:
marv would also always lynched VE over cc. I'm not arguing with you over VE, and I'm definitely not going to second guess myself again even though I think CC is also scum. We're essentially talking about where to go after today.
Let's make a deal on Rels Jealous and jat?
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On March 11 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:
Ohyeah. Vivax is 1000% town. (Because the rbs are missing)
And then Jealous is pretty town as well. No reason to scumread him. I think Darth is also pretty much clear, only way is if he was mafia vig that got roleblocked by vivax night one but considering he didnt move his vote from Oats and used the gunsmith a ability with TTS, that is clear town there.
Ohyeah. Him. Forgot he was in the game. He rarely posts.
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When you are dead I will consider it. But VE is more likely atm.
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On March 11 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote:
Copcake voting herself makes me think vengeful townie.
I also think she'd kill DP with it.
I mean, there's no reason here for mafia to kill a claimed cop over DP.
Lack of rb?
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On March 11 2024 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And Koshi I went into that filter dive with no idea where I'd end up. I tried my best to forget my TR I gave him earlier and just read it as objectively as possible given the flips we've seen.
Reading your summary made me even more convinced he is mafia with Rels.
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Jealous was in my blind spot as well for the entire game. So also makes sense why I am alive and performing terrible.
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MZ you point out very well that Jealous has a hard time scumreading his buddies.
You just have to TR CC when reading your own summary and you can see it.
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1) VE
2) Jealous
3) Rels
ezpzlemonsqueezy
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Basically Jealous keeps his buddies as null and always ends up pushing townies.
Maybe I will read his filter tomorrow myself.
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So fun. So many confirmed people I will be alive forever.
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Copcake; my love, could you please not vote yourself?
This game is in the bag.
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JAT or Rels 3 days from now. Will be a though pick.
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On March 11 2024 08:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Copcake; my love, could you please not vote yourself?
This game is in the bag. There's one thing that makes me think DP is mafia and it's that in my last game as town, I asked him for advice what to do to get shot when I rolled veteran. He said: 'Claim another role' Now he claims veteran??? I think cop should claim vengeful townie if she is and shoot him so we have a guarantee it's real. That's the only way I'm willing to lynch her.
More tongue in cheek?
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On March 11 2024 08:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:06 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:05 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Copcake; my love, could you please not vote yourself?
This game is in the bag. There's one thing that makes me think DP is mafia and it's that in my last game as town, I asked him for advice what to do to get shot when I rolled veteran. He said: 'Claim another role' Now he claims veteran??? I think cop should claim vengeful townie if she is and shoot him so we have a guarantee it's real. That's the only way I'm willing to lynch her. More tongue in cheek? No, dead serious. There's too many blue claims.
So you invent more?
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On March 11 2024 08:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:07 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:07 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:06 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:05 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Copcake; my love, could you please not vote yourself?
This game is in the bag. There's one thing that makes me think DP is mafia and it's that in my last game as town, I asked him for advice what to do to get shot when I rolled veteran. He said: 'Claim another role' Now he claims veteran??? I think cop should claim vengeful townie if she is and shoot him so we have a guarantee it's real. That's the only way I'm willing to lynch her. More tongue in cheek? No, dead serious. There's too many blue claims. So you invent more? Read marv's filter? I don't want to talk to you tbh cause you claimed traitor.
Yes. But now I unclaim traitor and am proud citizen.
Game is easy now.
Mafiosos don't want to read a lynchbait as town. That's why mz and I are town. And lucky for us we are right about our dmb and cc reads.
So we just made friends and now the game is solved
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On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
lol vivax Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly?
It is like the most anti town role bro
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On March 11 2024 08:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:36 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
lol vivax Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? It is like the most anti town role bro Wait why?
Because you can easily pretend to be supertownie searching for mafia and then join the mafia team
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On March 11 2024 08:38 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
lol vivax Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I am assuming that would mean there is 4 normal mafia and a traitor. Which would just make it worse than 5 mafia that can coordinate.
There is 5 mafia from the start. So traitor would be the 6th. Which is unlikely unless we have 5 blues. Then maybe I can buy it.
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On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
lol vivax Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I don’t believe self voting this early points to town.
She was upset. It wasnt fake.
She is town.
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On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:I don’t Think that would be balanced grack does traitor count as one of the 5 mafia aligned players?
It would be if you are a veteran. Which you arent.
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On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:26 DarthPunk wrote:
lol vivax Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I don’t believe self voting this early points to town. She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town. If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top.
Only if VE isnt mafia.
Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch?
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On March 11 2024 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:43 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote:
No it‘d be 5 mafias + traitor I don’t Think that would be balanced grack does traitor count as one of the 5 mafia aligned players? It would be if you are a veteran. Which you arent. Ffs did you have to actually say that.
(Quickly spam 15 more pages and maybe mafia skips it)
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On March 11 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:40 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 08:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 08:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 08:27 Vivax wrote:
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Why don't you want to lynch Koshi? There’s too many blues for a traitor to be in this game. Doesn‘t that balance it out ? Or your claim is fake. I don‘t get your preference for Copcake over VE here. Traitor is an anti mafia role. Why do you think cake is town so strongly? She‘s self voting over the obvious CW. But I have time for better posts after work. Traitor is an additional member they can gain how is it anti-mafia ? I don’t believe self voting this early points to town. She was upset. It wasnt fake. She is town. If you all get me of this lynch and I am correct that she is mafia I will blow my fucking top. Only if VE isnt mafia. Why go against rayn marv and sandroba to get this cc lynch? Because I will be dead tomorrow and then the primary driver will be gone. And you are going to fuck it up. I already said this
I wont. MZ and I are friends now. He will remind me.
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Can you make a Rels is town case tomorrow? Or Jealous town case? That would help me to look into CC.
Read MZ his post about Jealous. Quite obvious he is mafia from that.
Problem is you also think CC is mafia so you will gobble all those CC is mafia posts right up.
So try to read it with a cc is town perspective
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To what clusterfuck did I wake up to?
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On March 11 2024 10:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:
We should lynch koshi is good cooking though. The traitor claiming was wild.
Where did I claim traitor?
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On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them.
DP never dies early.
DP was not a target above others who have died.
I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc.
Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb.
Hmm that makes sense.
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On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck!
Good luck friend.
Hope you get both, and they have to tripple your salary outbidding the other company.
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On March 11 2024 13:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Koshi I know you accepted my defense of DMB but I am once again asking you to reread cake please.
It's fine. I will do so tomorrow if needed. Today you can lynch CC without me. So only if you say VE is town I need to rethink CC.
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Ok so Rels is town and played really good.
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On March 11 2024 14:23 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:19 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough. Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday Was actually 2 days ago On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr Ah well, Koshi hasn't answered yet either IIRC, but to be fair he might have just missed them. Vivax doesn't have that excuse. So, good point. @Koshi, can you respond to the above? Why did you push a VE wagon at EOD2 over red checked Oats?
I pushed against the Oats wagon the entire day.
I thought Oats wasnt be mafia. I was very sure about it.
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On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town
Mafia made a mistake.
Who knows why.
They fucked up
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On March 11 2024 19:25 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good. How is he town if he used the same game to call me town and scum at the same time?
What is his mafia motivation to do that?
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On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.
Meh. So basically because I strongly believed Oats was town. Bit weak VE.
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On March 11 2024 19:48 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:31 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia. AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum I am reading Rels atm but this is an important post.
Yes. Rels just played good this game.
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On March 11 2024 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:08 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Tbf if you want to call Koshi mafia just say that he thinks I'm town. Town Koshi never thinks I'm town. Ever. But I've decided to ignore that for now. I had a similar thought tbh. Out of a million games where we were both town koshi was calling me mafia in all of them except maybe 1. Since day1 he has also become quite agreeable. I am missing the zeal. This was supposed to be the full koshi experience.
I feel like you played too little d1 to get my attention. So I just tolerated you so far.
For some reason I have this problem with marv now. I always attack him early d1.
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The fact we got positive results from our blues is everything you need to know about Viv1x. In this catch up so many people talked about Vivax as if it is a 99% thing.
It is 100%.
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On March 11 2024 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up This is really fucking stupid. They could not rb dp without risking Vivax either saving slam or even blocking their shot directly if he used the JK offensively. Dp being left to shoot confirms absolutely nothing. Cake. We are lynching ve right now and not you. Please put the night action logic aside and just give us some reads that are independent from that if you are town.
Dont be mad. I know you guys discussed it at lenght in scumqt but you should have let Vivax protect slam, shoot and rb dp and shoot marv.
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On March 11 2024 20:51 CopCake wrote:
Koshi, if you are town hold my hand and tell me what Rels did is not bad.
What is bad? I did a bad thing defending Oats. Lynching Tfrel etc etc. But am I mafia?
Rels might have done some bad, but a lot of good as well.
I dont see the mafia motivation in what Rels has been doing.
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If you are mafia CC, you will fullfil my dream of getting lynched as town.
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Writing a towncase on Vivax is basically claiming scum.
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On March 11 2024 21:03 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:44 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.
Verdict: Mafia Koshi
Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages. Meh. So basically because I strongly believed Oats was town. Bit weak VE. Nah it's what i said - that you WEAKLY believed Oats was town, used some fake meta to back it up that you never checked, and pushed me as an alternative for no reason. As is written. You didn't strongly believe Oats was town, you even said at the TOP OF THE POST where you town case him "or at least shouldn't be lynched today/tomorrow" and then go on to say that half your points don't even make him town. As if you didn't know who the mayor might shoot in the night making UNMASKING YOU AS ONE OF THE TEN FOOLS!!! Anyway, I think you're mafia so I'm not trying to convince you - only answer your point in order to convince everyone else. I still think you're swell even if you are trying to make me lose.
I hope you find some amusemt in the remainder of the day
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On March 11 2024 23:45 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up maybe you know why?
You are protected by MZ.
So I will only townread you.
This was not a reply to what you said. But just an announcement.
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On March 12 2024 00:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 23:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:52 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 23:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up maybe you know why? You are protected by MZ. So I will only townread you. This was not a reply to what you said. But just an announcement. I could not get a Townread from you in the last 3 games. Why you trusting MZ so much that you give me a Townread, because of him? Ahh I get it. Safe the easy lynch. Maybe both wagons are Town and you don´t want that I get lynched because when we are about to lynch real mafia in the future ... you can push dmb wagon for lynch because that is as easier as taking a shit.
Ok.
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VE Jealous and JAT
My current team.
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On March 12 2024 00:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 00:14 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 00:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 23:52 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 23:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 11 2024 20:20 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 17:38 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 16:54 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 10:33 Vivax wrote:
DP alive D3 warrants a better look from any competent town player.
And I think he's scum then a bunch of townies show up and make me wanna omgus them. DP never dies early. DP was not a target above others who have died. I do not understand why DP was not roleblocked. Maybe they thought he would shoot town cc. Maybe they thought they had to get 2 kills so you had to be rb. Hmm that makes sense. Or town DMB Not just me The only reason the didnt block town DP is if his pool was full of town Mafia made a mistake. Who knows why. They fucked up maybe you know why? You are protected by MZ. So I will only townread you. This was not a reply to what you said. But just an announcement. I could not get a Townread from you in the last 3 games. Why you trusting MZ so much that you give me a Townread, because of him? Ahh I get it. Safe the easy lynch. Maybe both wagons are Town and you don´t want that I get lynched because when we are about to lynch real mafia in the future ... you can push dmb wagon for lynch because that is as easier as taking a shit. Ok. You never gave me a Townread in the past games? Why now? What's different? Why do you trust MZ so much that you see me as Town?
I decided to trust MZ unconditionally on you. On a whimp.
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Funny story. I, first time ever, got stuck in the mud with my car. Fml. Oh well.
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On March 12 2024 03:50 die_meatbaby wrote:I don´t know what do think about that. Would he vote himself out to give us a lesson about always reading his aligment wrong or does he give up and try to not give us any clues to his mates when he flip red.
Let's hope the flipping thing.
I just dont get why Palmar and I. We are pretty nullish but unlynchable I think.
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On March 12 2024 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 03:54 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 03:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 12 2024 03:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote VE I don´t know what do think about that. Would he vote himself out to give us a lesson about always reading his aligment wrong or does he give up and try to not give us any clues to his mates when he flip red. Let's hope the flipping thing. I just dont get why Palmar and I. We are pretty nullish but unlynchable I think. When/if he dies and flips mafia he won't have told us anything at all.
True. Palmar and I are right under dp, jsl and vivax I guess. Because they cant shoot us for another 2 days. Unless they really want to keep blues alive.
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I kinda expected more from VE. As either alignment. lol
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If VE flips town (i know)
Then that would be the firdt reason that I can see CC be mafia.
Because then the rayn kill makes it more likely that he needed to go because he can read CC.
Then the VE & Palmar scumreads were at least 50% wrong.
But I dont want to go there yet.
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On March 12 2024 05:37 DarthPunk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you are all voting against the confirmed town in jsl and myself?
That is a good question lol
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On March 12 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:You probably should then. The resistance to her lynch is insane btw.Like she looks terrible all game. Is called out by Rayn day one. Rayn dies night one. I still don’t know a scum read of hers other than Rels and palmar I guess. No idea why. Rels at least is a straight up omgus. The maturing and self vote were gross. I really don’t understand the town reads on her. Basicallly I’m putting it down to 1.) she is mafia or 2.) she is town and mafia are spewing tmi here.
I don't understand.
Some people townread CC (me and Vivax(maybe others))
And nobody ever in this game townread VE.
Like... What is your point?
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On March 12 2024 05:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi explain why cake is town please.
Based on evidence
I'll try. Fine. I really want to do other things though.
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On March 12 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:48 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 05:40 iamperfection wrote:
I would be fine voting cake You probably should then. The resistance to her lynch is insane btw.Like she looks terrible all game. Is called out by Rayn day one. Rayn dies night one. I still don’t know a scum read of hers other than Rels and palmar I guess. No idea why. Rels at least is a straight up omgus. The maturing and self vote were gross. I really don’t understand the town reads on her. Basicallly I’m putting it down to 1.) she is mafia or 2.) she is town and mafia are spewing tmi here. I don't understand. Some people townread CC (me and Vivax(maybe others)) And nobody ever in this game townread VE. Like... What is your point? Do you not understand the idea that mafia are harder to lynch because the other mafia aren’t too enthusiastic about joining her wagon?
Well. Now that I joined forces with MZ I think Jealous is also mafia and he is not on VE.
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28 pages copcake and she is mafia? jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz I am not going to read all that but I will do a bit of it.
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On March 12 2024 05:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 05:49 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 05:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi explain why cake is town please.
Based on evidence I'll try. Fine. I really want to do other things though. I mean this is kind of important if you are town and truly believe she is town no?
Can I claim traitor again?
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[The case on why CopCake is Town.
1) What is CopCake not doing this game that is most of the time typical mafia?
- She has been from the start out there. Doing the tea party with her lock townreads to form a town circle. She has called prominent, thread sentiment people mafia. She has commented multiple time that she wants to be heard.
On March 05 2024 02:14 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote:
Frustrating game so far, feels like talking to a wall. Talk to me The big boys have their own party.
On March 05 2024 01:41 CopCake wrote:
I love how MZ talks about me and doesnt even bother to talk to me directly.
On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me.
I can't find the post in which she says iamp Vivax and DP are mafia. But that was also out there.
2) I do not feel that Copcake is pushing mafia agenda in this game ever.
If I feel anything, that is that Copcake is trying to solve the game on her own. And she is not doing that badly. She attacks DP a lot early game because she believes he is just spamming without content. She votes Slam for lying. She votes TTS based on this:
On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late.
I can all see it happen in town!CC world in which she is trying to solve the game.
I also see a lot of casual banter posts that don't feel forced or weird in a "I am scum and I try to belong" way.
On March 05 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer. I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing. [And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur" So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war. If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game. GLHF. So what do you think my alignment is now? Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion. I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day.
She believes she might be night killed. I like to think she is genuine here.
She is also very snippy snappy towards people. She bites quite often and towards a lot of people.
Ok. I started numbering things but I cba to format this properly.
I also like this tbh:
On March 05 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
With that said
##Vote: Jacob
You are welcome.
On March 05 2024 14:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars He is voting for the scumread of his scumread.
To me this shows she is critical thinking about the game. It is not impossible for a mafia to make these kinda posts. But I like that a town!CC catches things like this. It shows she wants to solve the game.
Same thing basically. She is actually following up on what Vivax is writing down.
I am town and cba tbh.
On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok
Long conversation with Oats. Doesn't feel forced. Oats asks her. She answers. Nobody wants to disengage.
On March 06 2024 02:17 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 02:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 02:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before? And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead? How many votes have Tfrel gotten? On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (10): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (2): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (7): sandroba, Trfel, Jealous, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi
ToTheStars (2): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Oatsmaster (2) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Justanothertownie (2): sandroba, Palmar
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(5): Trfel, Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 5 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Do you not think that is weird? Why is it weird? If you have town attention because you are a PR, and you think this person is certain mafia, why not start a wagon there? Why go for an inactive? "Oh he was inactive" (I know Oats is not inactive anymore)
I don't know what to do with this but I just like Copcake.
On March 06 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I will also peace out if the thread wants to talk about something else besides my insane theory.
You do what you do.
On March 06 2024 11:57 CopCake wrote:
So, just arrived
You are going to lynch Tfrel when yesterday he had a cake on his username? So maybr he is absent for his birthday?
Ok.
On March 06 2024 12:09 CopCake wrote:
You are so bad
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
It has sass, it has insanity, like... how does this not read as somebody alone just playing the game; saying what she thinks?
Again sassy, against red Oats.
"You are not worthy to play with me"
But it just doesn't feel forced nor did she then make Oats mafia or something.
Oats played us all very well.
On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion.
Fair and thought out reasoning why she thought Tfrel was town
On March 06 2024 12:33 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him I glanced at the Tfrel list and I saw big names, I need to read the whole thread progession but yesterday it was discussed that Tfrel is “scummy” for his lack of participation of the thread. Some *big names* or big name deffended him also saying he was a good player. Need to see who it was and if he ended up lynching him. I made a comparasion of how he acted in the last game and saw the number of posts he made. So if “being inactive” is the reason and a big player did that, I think it is a very good place where to look for a mafia.
Still tunneled and therefore:
On March 06 2024 13:12 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia. Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar. With this, I mean, DP tried to put the Tfrel blame on Koshi.
This also felt like a very natural conclusion to the catch up she did. Because she was focused on everything around Tfrel.
On March 06 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote:
DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it. Town Koshi is invited to my party
She was hyperfocused on tfrel getting lynched. Her 3 names explained:
On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self.
Like... You can not agree with it, but it makes sense in her story and in her attempt to solve the game.
Would she type that before the rayn nk?
We are getting into wifom shit but I am bored atm
On March 06 2024 22:29 CopCake wrote:
Rayn, if you think I am mafia for that then I guess you are mafia.
You should know me better than anyone.
I was trying to understand Palmars approch because he came to me nicely trying to teach me “how to play mafia” so I put in the shoes to understand why he thinks DP is town if he is town.
So in that interaction, considering Palmar as town I said “you consider DP town because he pocketed you”.
Again shows she is reading and remembering. Trying to solve.
On March 06 2024 22:41 CopCake wrote:
For isntance, that list was based on how people acted to the end of the day before the lynch.
Ie. No one is questioning vivax:
Happa probably gave up because he is mafia
Tfrel is hiding because he is mafia
Rayn is crying in copcakes arms
Nobody touches my girlfriend because she gives good head
I am so right and you are idiots hur hur hur
When vivax was mafia with me he did the same. 🤷🏽♀️
He even said something like he would avenge Dumb.
she is also quickfiring here↑. At least 10 posts; always 3-4 minutes apart. Lot's of topics. I wont quote them but again. Easy as town solving game, really hard as mafia.
On March 06 2024 23:01 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand? You know I dont do that.
I believe CC.
Way later she is still saying the same thing about the 4 veterans. She just believes it.
On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar
On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:Darthpunk's last will and testament.Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads. And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward. Do not lynch tier:Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing. The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo. SandroIs just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost. OatsmasterHis play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me. VivaxBeen discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion. PerfectionLooked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch. Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that. Probably town tierKoshiI was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster. I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia. There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed. Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him. I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today. I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine. I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet. RaynHonestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia. I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad. I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct. So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that. I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town. SlamUn CC'd cop (fuck you VE  ) also looked town around the end of day chaos. MarvHas been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake. Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie. Possible mafia/possible townRels:He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch. lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia. Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh. MZI feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less. Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game. Needs to do more for sure. JealousMost likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt. TTS: Lurker.
JAT:Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one. I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it. Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that. His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn Mafia tierDMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence. Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me. I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game. Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no. In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else. I don;t buy that at all. CakeI am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night. She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere. I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here. I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard. JSL:Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip. Soft defending DMB. All the stuff sandro posted. Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him. VEI really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks. Ok one minute to go. GL if I don;t see you on the other side. You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia?
Again. Good observation and I need to double check if this is true. Because I will vote Jealous tomorrow.
Ok. she quoted DP and not Jacob so ignore the entire thing.
WIFOM but I like it more from town CC:
On March 07 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:
Rayns dead is weird
🤔
I quit here because enough is enough.
I will never vote CC.
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I don't understand how I wasted 30 mins on that.
You can discuss it with me in a next day if she is still alive.
I need to do something else than being stuck in the mud, eat and read mafia now.
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On March 12 2024 06:37 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:[The case on why CopCake is Town. 1) What is CopCake not doing this game that is most of the time typical mafia? - She has been from the start out there. Doing the tea party with her lock townreads to form a town circle. She has called prominent, thread sentiment people mafia. She has commented multiple time that she wants to be heard. On March 05 2024 02:14 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 02:09 Vivax wrote:
Frustrating game so far, feels like talking to a wall. Talk to me The big boys have their own party. On March 05 2024 01:41 CopCake wrote:
I love how MZ talks about me and doesnt even bother to talk to me directly. On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. I can't find the post in which she says iamp Vivax and DP are mafia. But that was also out there. 2) I do not feel that Copcake is pushing mafia agenda in this game ever. If I feel anything, that is that Copcake is trying to solve the game on her own. And she is not doing that badly. She attacks DP a lot early game because she believes he is just spamming without content. She votes Slam for lying. She votes TTS based on this: On March 05 2024 05:10 CopCake wrote:##Vote: ToTheStars On March 04 2024 14:55 ToTheStars wrote:
I also have a weak townlean on DP and Vivax
You guys are so slow with your day starts though, how can you make 0 votes in first 3 pages. On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads. You are very confident you are going to survive late. I can all see it happen in town!CC world in which she is trying to solve the game. I also see a lot of casual banter posts that don't feel forced or weird in a "I am scum and I try to belong" way. On March 05 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer. I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing. [And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur" So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war. If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game. GLHF. So what do you think my alignment is now? Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion. I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day. She believes she might be night killed. I like to think she is genuine here. She is also very snippy snappy towards people. She bites quite often and towards a lot of people. Ok. I started numbering things but I cba to format this properly. I also like this tbh: On March 05 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
With that said
##Vote: Jacob
You are welcome. On March 05 2024 14:18 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 14:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? Is this your auto response to pressure? Ok sell me on Jacob. On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn. I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars He is voting for the scumread of his scumread. To me this shows she is critical thinking about the game. It is not impossible for a mafia to make these kinda posts. But I like that a town!CC catches things like this. It shows she wants to solve the game. Same thing basically. She is actually following up on what Vivax is writing down. I am town and cba tbh. On March 06 2024 01:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote:
Like, I dont understand why is it so bad to question Vivax claim.
I have the right to do it if I wanted to.
Okay so outside of the claim, how is vivax mafia The claim itself is just stupid, how he wants tfrel dead considering the last game, I dont think he is scumhunting His reads On March 05 2024 23:13 Vivax wrote:
I think rayn has a decent chance to flip mafia by the way.
Cop says he can't be because he'd be angrier but there's nothing that says he isn't simply more restrained in this game.
I'm moving cop out of the mafia pool just because of what Koshi said about her and good intentions. I still think she was struggling back then and took way too long to join the chorus calling my claim awful.
Iamperfection has dropped off a lot and looks a lot like Oats at this point. I just don't see any motivation to find the right lynch here. Erratic play. I believe Oats still didn't deliver an estimation of marv and Sandroba like I asked.
I don't want to lynch Palmar. I think marv is doing jack shit, and he didn't try to run for mayor for it. The Palmar vote was his first meaningful contribution, and everyone treated it like some high priest tossed a piece of metal from a pyramid and they went wild chasing it while screeching like a bunch of teenies at a rock concert.
I also think marv is kinda avoidant of DP and I know that marv has to fear DP if he's mafia. Him masoning Sandoba over DP is bad and might explain DPs lower effort.
MZ, Rels reasonable and pro-town all around but also a bit synthetic and lacking emotion for now. Not on the table for D1 I think and they have shown that they know what it takes to not lose to a casino.
DMB I think town. I liked most of the placements in her list and she had a golden opportunity to fall into her meta of antagonizing me just for fun and blending in with others doing so. I don't think she'd want a JK as mayor as mafia either.
That's about it for now. Otherwise:
Hapa joined discord and didn't post at all so I think it's due we make him the main secondary wagon that I can kill but I also need town's consent for it. Jealous works too, just make it visible please. and an hour later On March 06 2024 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Slam, iamp, TTS, Hapa
Man this game is easy read progressions are not ok Long conversation with Oats. Doesn't feel forced. Oats asks her. She answers. Nobody wants to disengage. On March 06 2024 02:17 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 02:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:49 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:45 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Out of curiosity, have you played with vivax before?
And secondly, have you read the game you linked earlier? Yeah, I have played with Vivax and yeah, that is why I said Tfrel MVP there. So with what you linked, how is that not typical vivax? He literally does that that’s vivax I do not understand his claim, when he knows he might suffer the danger of getting misslynched anyways because the claim is just so bad to be true. Which makes me believe that he could be mafia with at least two big names. I want to rule out that probability, as easy as that. Yes you said this already. The question I’m asking is if you think he’s mafia then there has to be things other than the claim that he’s doing that’s scummy How many times has vivax said he wants tfrel dead? How many votes have Tfrel gotten? On March 05 2024 23:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (10): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (2): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (7): sandroba, Trfel, Jealous, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Palmar (5) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi
ToTheStars (2): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Oatsmaster (2) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Justanothertownie (2): sandroba, Palmar
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(5): Trfel, Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 5 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Do you not think that is weird? Why is it weird? If you have town attention because you are a PR, and you think this person is certain mafia, why not start a wagon there? Why go for an inactive? "Oh he was inactive" (I know Oats is not inactive anymore) I don't know what to do with this but I just like Copcake. On March 06 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I will also peace out if the thread wants to talk about something else besides my insane theory.
You do what you do. On March 06 2024 11:57 CopCake wrote:
So, just arrived
You are going to lynch Tfrel when yesterday he had a cake on his username? So maybr he is absent for his birthday?
Ok. On March 06 2024 12:09 CopCake wrote:
You are so bad On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. It has sass, it has insanity, like... how does this not read as somebody alone just playing the game; saying what she thinks? Again sassy, against red Oats. "You are not worthy to play with me" But it just doesn't feel forced nor did she then make Oats mafia or something. Oats played us all very well. On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion. Fair and thought out reasoning why she thought Tfrel was town On March 06 2024 12:33 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him I glanced at the Tfrel list and I saw big names, I need to read the whole thread progession but yesterday it was discussed that Tfrel is “scummy” for his lack of participation of the thread. Some *big names* or big name deffended him also saying he was a good player. Need to see who it was and if he ended up lynching him. I made a comparasion of how he acted in the last game and saw the number of posts he made. So if “being inactive” is the reason and a big player did that, I think it is a very good place where to look for a mafia. Still tunneled and therefore: On March 06 2024 13:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia. Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar. With this, I mean, DP tried to put the Tfrel blame on Koshi. This also felt like a very natural conclusion to the catch up she did. Because she was focused on everything around Tfrel. On March 06 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 07:55 Koshi wrote:
DP, can you do me a favor?
When closer to deadline, can you take a step back and feel the thread? Try to feel if the players that came back to the thread are pushing an agenda?
I think the last 12 hours town had control over the thread, I fear that the mafia let us be, and will come back once we are asleep.
I could name some people but that wont be fair to them.
marv should not be shaded during the next hours. There is no need for that. He left the masons and came to play in the thread, that is a positive thing.
My remaining nulls/scumreads went into hiding.
Do not shade marv until we see palmar flip town. There is no reason to doubt marv his alignment.
Remember marv posted reads in mason chat and rayn hard townread marv for it. Town Koshi is invited to my party She was hyperfocused on tfrel getting lynched. Her 3 names explained: On March 06 2024 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Like it makes a lot of sense in my head that DP wanted Tfrel out.
The way the lynch started was instigated by DP but the first vote was by Iamp.
Same with Vivax. He wanted Tfrel out but didnt move a finger until later when someone else did the Dirty work.
I think that Iamp have to do it because if not, the wagon wouldnt have started.
Anyways, I have problems only with DMB believing Vivax 100% claim but other than that she is being her usual self. Like... You can not agree with it, but it makes sense in her story and in her attempt to solve the game. Would she type that before the rayn nk? We are getting into wifom shit but I am bored atm On March 06 2024 22:29 CopCake wrote:
Rayn, if you think I am mafia for that then I guess you are mafia.
You should know me better than anyone.
I was trying to understand Palmars approch because he came to me nicely trying to teach me “how to play mafia” so I put in the shoes to understand why he thinks DP is town if he is town.
So in that interaction, considering Palmar as town I said “you consider DP town because he pocketed you”.
Again shows she is reading and remembering. Trying to solve. On March 06 2024 22:41 CopCake wrote:
For isntance, that list was based on how people acted to the end of the day before the lynch.
Ie. No one is questioning vivax:
Happa probably gave up because he is mafia
Tfrel is hiding because he is mafia
Rayn is crying in copcakes arms
Nobody touches my girlfriend because she gives good head
I am so right and you are idiots hur hur hur
When vivax was mafia with me he did the same. 🤷🏽♀️
He even said something like he would avenge Dumb.
she is also quickfiring here↑. At least 10 posts; always 3-4 minutes apart. Lot's of topics. I wont quote them but again. Easy as town solving game, really hard as mafia. On March 06 2024 23:01 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:58 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:55 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 22:49 CopCake wrote:
And if we go by that
Cake calls mafia Palmar and DP/vivax/iamp
You call mafia Palmar
So I guess you assume I throwed my teamate there just because?
You didnt call Palmar mafia when you called DP/vivax/iamp mafia originally. Because i wrote the names of the people who caught my eye the most. So now answer me. Do I throw my scummates, yes or not? yes You are just mafia then. I dont understand? You know I dont do that. I believe CC. Way later she is still saying the same thing about the 4 veterans. She just believes it. On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar On March 07 2024 12:49 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 12:00 DarthPunk wrote:Darthpunk's last will and testament.Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads. And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward. Do not lynch tier:Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing. The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me. IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo. SandroIs just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost. OatsmasterHis play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me. VivaxBeen discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion. PerfectionLooked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch. Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that. Probably town tierKoshiI was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster. I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia. There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed. Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him. I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today. I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine. I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet. RaynHonestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia. I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad. I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct. So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that. I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town. SlamUn CC'd cop (fuck you VE ) also looked town around the end of day chaos. MarvHas been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake. Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie. Possible mafia/possible townRels:He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch. lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia. Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh. MZI feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less. Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game. Needs to do more for sure. JealousMost likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt. TTS: Lurker.
JAT:Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one. I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it. Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that. His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn Mafia tierDMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence. Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me. I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game. Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no. In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else. I don;t buy that at all. CakeI am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night. She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere. I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here. I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard. JSL:Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip. Soft defending DMB. All the stuff sandro posted. Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him. VEI really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks. Ok one minute to go. GL if I don;t see you on the other side. You deffended Jacob ALL DAY and NIGHT and now he is mafia? Again. Good observation and I need to double check if this is true. Because I will vote Jealous tomorrow.Ok. she quoted DP and not Jacob so ignore the entire thing. WIFOM but I like it more from town CC: On March 07 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:
Rayns dead is weird
🤔
I quit here because enough is enough. I will never vote CC. Didn´t you say before that if VE flips Town there would be a reason to vote CC
Yes.
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On March 12 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote:
Oh now that koshi made a towncase I can see CC being mafia
facts. It is a fear I have now.
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On March 12 2024 06:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote:
Oh now that koshi made a towncase I can see CC being mafia explanation pls?
Are you telling me you havent read the last 330 pages carefully?
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On March 12 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Koshi are you as confident that CC is town as you were on Oats?
No. Way less on CC.
I was so sure about Oats. Really really sure.
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On March 12 2024 06:59 Jealous wrote:
Feels like Koshi went into that filter with the outcome already in mind.
For example - and please correct me if I'm mistaken - she invited people to that tea party before she had any reads, very early on in the game where there was almost nothing to go off of, and then gave every attendant town cards for free. That's basically pocketing, isn't it?
It's also funny to me that you accept her calling other people as bad/beneath them as "sass" and is part of why you like her, then she comes in here to throw a pity party for herself because she is "sensitive." Does it make sense for a sensitive person to be antagonizing people like this and then cry victim later? I mean, I guess it does happen, and emotions are not logical, but it just feels like some sort of forced narrative to me and hypocritical in general.
TLDR: I think that most of what Cop does is NAI at best, scummy at worst. Throwing out 10 posts with 3-4 minute intervals but none of them landing in terms of logic, game state, or pushing scum does not a townie make.
It is teue that I spinned everything town because that isbhow I read it.
And all other things are true as well.
Good post
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Damn they might both be mafia.
I can onlu take so much martering
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I think now both are mafia. I think this also fully clears MZ.
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But I cant vote cc anymore. I need you guys to flip her.
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On March 12 2024 07:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:
I think now both are mafia. I think this also fully clears MZ. why the change of heart?
The martyr most likely. It just read like "fuck it, we are both fucked ve, who goes out first doesnt matter anymore"
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Worst martyr vote ever. It just is.
I am angry at it.
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On March 12 2024 07:50 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote:
Worst martyr vote ever. It just is.
I am angry at it. It is truly wild that we are splitting our vote between two martyrs on D3. Disgusting tbh. This game has been pretty dang good up until recently IMO.
maybe they have fun in scumQT with it and that is the only way this is acceptable.
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The only that makes sense to me is that they are both mafia but VE RBer.
That is the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
But dont get me wrong. Vote cake out today. I want to see her to flip red. Or to see my anger justified if she flips green.
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Ok. Game is still very interesting.
I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable.
We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one.
Next.
As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry.
I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.
JAT & Rels. So difficult.
Palmar  (((
I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well.
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iamp
DP
Vivax
Those are confirmed town for me. Anything can 3 lynches from now but I dont believe it and I dont want you to talk to me about it. Those 3 are town:
iamp because his investment, pushing the game forward, and again out of town cc and town ve it makes more sense to lynch ve. If CC is mafia we can revisit iamp but not now.
DP shooting, filter, cares about who is lynched.
Vivax active so metawise town, rbs missing from mafia
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Sorry forgot JSL. The most confirmed of all.
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Then there is JAT, Palmar and myself sitting on 17 pages. Prominent figures in the game, JAT being able to hide the most I would say. But that's mostly because marv pulled Palmar out of the shadow.
I dont envy the townies looking at those 3 names and having to pick out the mafia.
I cant do it out of 2.
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Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie.
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CC has been center of attention so cba to talk about her anymore. The selfvote sits bad and the fact she TOWNREADS VE is completely bananas. But if it makes her mafia. Pffffffffff
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JAT/Rels/dmb for me now.
Trying to read dead townies brought me nowhere.
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On March 12 2024 17:47 CopCake wrote:
I expected to die.
Blame iamp.
Could you focus more within dmb/rels/jat/palmar/mz/Koshi the next days?
We really need help here.
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On March 12 2024 19:29 iamperfection wrote:
Koshi what's your current view of palmar
The balance between being good for town mrotecting the thread and making waves to catch scum leans heavily towards the first.
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On March 12 2024 21:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:00 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 19:29 iamperfection wrote:
Koshi what's your current view of palmar The balance between being good for town mrotecting the thread and making waves to catch scum leans heavily towards the first. I don't understand
Is pro town behaviour is mostly doing thread control, explaining things, and keeping chaos at bay.
He isnt making a lot of waves to find mafia.
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Anyway. I think I will lynch Palmar.
I am back towards thinking CC is town.
That case is pretty legit.
Palmar played marv well and bought himself 3 days. Day 4 is RIP.
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Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ.
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On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote:
Why am I town, Koshi?
Stop asking stupid questions please.
Talked about this entire day yesterday.
If you want to scumread me, fine. But this conversation/question is ass.
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JAT that is the laziest shit ever. So if Palmar fooled marv after being scumread by marv and having to try to fool him, we are never going to revisit that?
Poor play by JAT.
I am also very concerned Palmar just takes it and runs with it.
We should check how many meaningful conversations Palmar and JAT have had in these 350 pages.
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Think I am ok with voting Palmar tomorrow. I dont know if he is mafia but the people I mafia read are town and my townreads mafia. So this is a fresh breath of air.
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I think a Palmar and Koshi wagon is fair tomorrow. In honor of VE.
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On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control
Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked.
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On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this?
I did. And we are still friends.
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On March 13 2024 03:05 justanothertownie wrote:
I would like to hear the reasons for this "alliance". I mean I already know the dmb reasoning is terrible because it just part of a deal. But at least reason out the read on MZ please.
I think he is town.
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On March 13 2024 03:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:37 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:05 justanothertownie wrote:
I would like to hear the reasons for this "alliance". I mean I already know the dmb reasoning is terrible because it just part of a deal. But at least reason out the read on MZ please. I think he is town. Very helpful. Not lazy at all. Maybe I should look into your interactions to see if you are mafia together?
Pls do. I am interested in what you will come up with.
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On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you
It was me. I cba with that.
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On March 13 2024 04:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you It was me. I cba with that. you didnt use it?
No. I didnt.
I didnt have anything to say outside the thread.
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I will be voting Palmar tomorrow. Day after that JAT.
I dont care about much more and will probably slow down posting.
Tomorrow I will read Rels.
I think that should be enough.
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JLS
Vivax
DP
Iamp (only reconsider if cc is mafia)
Jealous
MZ
CC
Rels
JAT
Palmar
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DMB is under protection of MZ.
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I think I wont change those reads.
But I am me.
But I dont intent to change till I see flips.
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If I would have masoned anybody. I would have masoned MZ and try to work the game out with him and see what would have happened. But I simply cba to do outside stuff and only really considered it today and somewhere once during the 48 day phase.
Believe it or not.
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##vote Palmar
It's JAT and Palmar. I truly hope I get lynched before you jubjubs lynch either cc or MZ. Because maybe that might stop you from throwing this game.
DP, you are legit too stubborn to play this game succesfully.
Probably I am too flimsy and together we might get somewhere.
But it is not going to happen.
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I am so demotivated right now.
I tried but I cant believe what I am reading when I see DP and CC.
You 2 are SUCH FUCKING MORONS.
Ok? I dont know what else I can do to wake you 2 the fuck up.
But this game is 100 pages of you 2 and this is what you are talking about on day 4?
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING GOD.
Can you 2 vote me and FUCK OFF. Leave this thread for this day. BOTH of you are fucking ridiculous.
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I only need to see if Rels is the third. But I think so.
I only talk to people that are not CC and DP. Ever post around posts of these 2 have a high chance of not being read because I dont want PTSD.
It took me 4 days but I finally solved this game. 3 terrible days before i got here but that is fine. Happens.
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On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then? Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though.
Mafia would have held their RB and not RB'ed the claimed cop slam check or the claimed gun dp shot.
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I will add about Vivax:
If he is mafia, he cant play the way he is doing here.
He can't produce the same pages, the same crazy theories, the same jokes.
This meta has been correct for ages.
On top of every night action pointing towards Vivax not being mafia AND the role he claims is missing for town.
I mean WHY THE FUCK IS IT EVEN DISCUSSED again... Can it please be the last time?
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But the q came from dmb and she isnt even reading the game so w.e.
I really hope you know what you are doing here MZ.
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On March 13 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 12:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote:
Vivax the mafia had two choices. It was Jacob or dp. They choose Jacob. Trying to guess their reasons is going to be real hard. My guess They choose Jacob to set up palmar or to remove an anti palmar townie. He was claimed blue he was always going to die first. No one is townier than that. OK so what's your point then Tell me why it's crazy to think Jealous is mafia in isolation?
Vivax.
We havent talked in a while.
Why do you think it cant be Palmar and JAT? They thread policed since marv passed and I think after the VE kill they should have done more.
But I only felt weird hostility from JAT when I started looking into Palmar and mentioned him on the side.
Then JAT came with the lazy marv defense for Palmar.
I think mafia got lazy and complacent during the VE and copcake lynch and JAT showed it there. He defended Palmar too arrogantly.
Anyway. What is your opinion on the 2?
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On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote:
Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:
1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.
Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.
By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you.
If you are fighting Vivax here. Dont please.
He is obv town and as close to confirmed as it will get.
Let him do his thing and just take from his play what you find useful and ignore the rest
Can you tell me your dmb read?
Imo Palmar/JAT is lock mafia and you guys will see it soon as well. But I am looking for the third between you/Rels and dmb.
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On March 13 2024 11:17 Vivax wrote:
Could just be paranoia but some players seem to be above suspicion by default
And some under. That is thread sentiment and this thread is a biggie.
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On March 13 2024 11:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 11:27 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote:
He’s treating her as confscum doesn’t make sense at all I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread Let me atone for my sins ? Sounds like confscum coming from you. Why do I think you are lying but town ? This was just a jab towards me persuading iamperfection to switch yesterday, nothing to read there otherwise Or you are exploiting that DP wanted CC lynched so we don’t hit mafia in Mz and jealous ? If CC is town, I think I can make the case that I'm confirmed town by anyone that knows perfectly how I work as scum IE only me probably lol. But I can probably back it up with screenshots with some past scum chat if it comes to that VE in the game is always a free mislynch. No way he survives until the end of the game. He can and should be kept alive for as long as possible, it's impossible that he's not lynched at some point. CopCake is far from that. As scum, in the position of yesterday, I would never push for a VE lynch. CC being lynched was a way better scenario
Good post and a reminder to all why iamp made a pro town choice because cc is town.
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On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him
Remember this moment in the game Rels?
Go for eternal glory and lynch JAT and Palmar.
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Fml Rels is going to have played a perfect game.
@Rels: can you reread your own filter and filter on Palmar, your 20 first mentions and quotes will bring you back on the right path.
marv fucked us slightly on his Palmar read.
But he was initially correct but got outplayed.
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On March 07 2024 11:23 Rels wrote:
Cake having and pushing her theory that the whole scum team conspired D1 to kill Trfel because they were scared of him is really townie
@Rels: I will finish with this quote.
Come back to the light. If it is difficult read your d1 filter.
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Fml Rels is town.
So who is the third?
Guess I need to read dmb. Sorry MZ.
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On March 10 2024 12:17 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 DarthPunk wrote:
I want to vote cake, see what her read progression is, then I want to see what VE does. probably the same thing he has done all game Yeah maybe he is a better lynch in that case. I just wanna see what reads cake has now she can't just hide behind calling me mafia. why didn´t you shoot on cake?
Hahaha. I wonder if this came from mafia qt.
I guess mafia really thought DP would shoot CC.
That also makes sense why dp was not RB'ed the day he got a gun. Personally I would do that. So likely he would shoot asap.
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That is also a wifom reason to townread cc btw.
Who else would dp shoot that they allowed it? Because they took a calculated risk rbing Vivax and not DP.
If CC is mafia. They wouldnt have done that.
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On March 10 2024 12:42 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:38 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:32 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 12:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 12:13 iamperfection wrote:
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wow how could have come to such a conclusion Nah man, the greatest bus of all time is unfolding right in front of our eyes. Sorry i think I am getting blind. Can you help me to see it? i dont know if your trolling but DP shot mafia.... i think you can put 2 and 2 together. yeah he is town. I was wrong I got that. But where is the bus? he was making a joke. Because its obviously not a bus and would be the most legendary play of all time to shoot your scum partner for cred. Unecessary too, since I assume not using the shot and using it to kill a townie during the last night would gain scum a mislynch. So it would even be playing actively against their wincon With shot => 10 town vs 3 scum now => 3 ML before LYLO Without shot => 9 town (with the gun being used later) vs 4 scum => 2 ML before LYLO BTW 3 more mislynches allowed, nice. And that's assuming we don't lynch the RB at some point before all BGs die, which would open up the possibility for night saves cake beeing not just mafia but mafia roleblocker what would be such an importend role in this game would make more sense for her hiding. She just appears enough so it looks like her towngame but she really doesn´t play the same. so why not vote cake #vote cakeI wanna see her reaction and trying to fight for her Town aligment as she used to do it in her old Towngames, if not the vote stays until the end!
Almost reads like she knows she is town and cake is saying she needs to show it to her.
But anyway.
I have read enough of dmb to see she is likely mafia.
MZ we need to have a talk.
I should have masoned you yesterday. lol.
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Palmar first, then it is easy to make the link to JAT, and dmb will be obvious after that.
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I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.
Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?
Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB.
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Also if you think Vivax, DP or iamp is mafia and want to vote them, you can vote me. Even the discussion is stupid imo but sadly I cant silence people.
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On March 13 2024 20:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.
Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?
Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB. You know this will not happen right?
Bro I am putting you on ignore. I cba with your ridiculous spam anymore. A lot of posting is fine. But you just rehaerse the most ridiculous dumb shit. I am personally done with it.
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On March 13 2024 20:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 20:18 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 20:16 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.
Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?
Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB. You know this will not happen right? Bro I am putting you on ignore. I cba with your ridiculous spam anymore. A lot of posting is fine. But you just rehaerse the most ridiculous dumb shit. I am personally done with it. Not gonna get you a long way with convincing me to sheep you if you wont interact.
I do not care.
I gave during this night my reads.
JLS made a good case.
Other people were on Palmar.
I wake the fuck up and you and CC are at it again and even Vivax is being discussed.
Nothing JAT. Nothing Palmar.
I have nothing to say to you anymore. It is wasted.
Vote cc, vote me. I cba.
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On March 13 2024 20:20 iamperfection wrote:
I would say thread sentiment is pretty strong to palmar mafia koshi
I hope so. Now let's make it happen.
He knows it is coming. He was silent during the night and his scumbuddy JAT tried to control it slightly.
But Palmar is coming back and it will be a battle.
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On March 13 2024 21:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 21:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 21:49 Palmar wrote:
That is expected behavior. I don't think that makes him mafia, if anything it's a townie thing to do for him. So who is mafia then. The plan is to find that out. Probably not DP and Vivax Some reasons to townread Koshi, Rels, you, dmb, Jealous Little reasons to townread MZ, jat, CC And then need to deal with the fact that I'm probably giving too cheap of a townread to some of the people in the top 2 lists, and being too mean to someone in the bottom list. Like I think best case scenario is I'm 2/3 in that bottom list. Like just as I explained there's some issues with Koshi's play, similar can be said of Jealous who despite liking the things he posts, doesn't post all that much and seems very calculated. But the fact that I usually like his posting far outweighs the other.
I can vote JAT together with you.
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Palmar. After previous game in which dmb fooled you.
Why is this game dmb town?
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On March 13 2024 22:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 22:07 Koshi wrote:
Palmar. After previous game in which dmb fooled you.
Why is this game dmb town? It's a risk again. Essentially I am now assuming that dmb feels the need to "take a stance" as mafia. Last game her stance was an incredibly stupid tunnel on me, but at least it was a stance. My feeling this game is that her mood has been lighter, and she has been much more comfortable just sorta existing in the thread without the need to spam an opinion. This is however, based on having not filter dived her for a long time. The one weird thing she did was accusing me of lying about time. But that was hilarious anyway.
I filter dived her and looks like she was coached to do exactly that but now nothing is left. She flip flops on the most basic things.
Like for example Vivax. Town!dmb would have pushed her idea of Vivax in this thread d1/n1/d2. But this dmb just flip flops.
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On March 13 2024 22:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 22:02 Palmar wrote:On March 13 2024 22:00 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 21:57 Palmar wrote:On March 13 2024 21:55 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 00:06 Koshi wrote:
Think I am ok with voting Palmar tomorrow. I dont know if he is mafia but the people I mafia read are town and my townreads mafia. So this is a fresh breath of air. On March 13 2024 07:29 Koshi wrote:
I will be voting Palmar tomorrow. Day after that JAT.
I dont care about much more and will probably slow down posting.
Tomorrow I will read Rels.
I think that should be enough. On March 13 2024 20:14 Koshi wrote:
I am so certain of both my reads and my cc townread that I would love to get all votes on CC on me.
Like if you think CC is mafia, or I am mafia with her, can you please vote me?
Because my flip will change this thread sentiment towards Palmar/JAT/DMB. On March 13 2024 01:23 Koshi wrote:
I think a Palmar and Koshi wagon is fair tomorrow. In honor of VE. This is just standard Koshi blustering, why do you think it's relevant? Him soft martyring has to say something. He also goes from I don't know if he is mafia to being like super confident how do you not see that and it doesn't stick out? Because koshi does this kind of shit every game. Did you read that part of my mental image of him is the "abrasive overconfident" way he does things? This is EXACTLY that. It's just his way of saying he wants to lynch me. Do you agree with this koshi?
Yes. But do you see?
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What did Palmar do in his visit?
What questions did he answer?
More importantly, which did he ignore?
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Force Palmar to give his read on jat/dmb.
Kill Palmar
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Profit
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You can ask him more reads. But the killing Palmar part is important.
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On March 13 2024 21:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 21:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 21:20 Palmar wrote:
Think it's a little towny of mz to call me mafia.
What's your view of koshi. It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change. I'll talk through some of it. First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model. Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like: - He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had. - He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back. Here are the things that don't fit with my model: - He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia. I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision. So what about the things he says? I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia. He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do. He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more. I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there. Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait.
I am not sure if I have to answer to this.
Before1) I sheeped marv on Palmar d1 and marv off Palmar d1.
1) I was wrong on Oats.
2) I stand by the VE lynch
3)I am not good at being mafia. Pretty sure anybody who played a game with me last year should know. When I was mafia once I sucked, and in my town games I whined about being bad as mafia. So dont know why Palmar is calling mybmafia game good. (I do know, it is because he needs to be able to cast doubt on me later)
4) Yes I baited traitor a bunch of times. If you believe I was recruited, you can lynch me. Otherwise, dafuq is this point..
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So many words to call me town and at least 2 phrases to put some doubt on me. Good good.
I wonder what JAT will fabricate when he comes by.
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I want to point out Palmar/JAT/DMB once more and I hope you guys push these guys for reads on each other.
So that if we lynch into one of us. We can clear this clusterfuck up if one flips town.
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MZ and Jealous are town.
Rels is fallen town hero that needs ressurection.
CC is town but should be avoided at all costs. DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT AT ANY TIME.
But those are fair game to look into a tiny bit.
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On March 13 2024 23:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 19:46 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:39 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 12:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote:
Vivax the mafia had two choices. It was Jacob or dp. They choose Jacob. Trying to guess their reasons is going to be real hard. My guess They choose Jacob to set up palmar or to remove an anti palmar townie. He was claimed blue he was always going to die first. No one is townier than that. OK so what's your point then Tell me why it's crazy to think Jealous is mafia in isolation? Vivax. We havent talked in a while. Why do you think it cant be Palmar and JAT? They thread policed since marv passed and I think after the VE kill they should have done more. But I only felt weird hostility from JAT when I started looking into Palmar and mentioned him on the side. Then JAT came with the lazy marv defense for Palmar. I think mafia got lazy and complacent during the VE and copcake lynch and JAT showed it there. He defended Palmar too arrogantly. Anyway. What is your opinion on the 2? I agree that they both can be mafia. But pointing out what I did about Jealous feels like my mission at this point. Guy is playing like textbook mafia in all aspects. He tries to derail my accusations towards him into personal feuds with his memes or tries to gaslight me. He posts huge walls and claims to be unsure then defaults to a single vote almost every day and doesn't seem to change his mind much, just pretends to. JAT had two redeeming posts in my opinion and it's when he reacted to when I considered the possibility of you being traitor over copcake and that your posting is off this game. I'm assuming that he potentially delights in being called mafia as town to prove a point in his head and poses as lynchable as opposed to a scenario where he is just mafia. I don't see why I have to play for a triple lynch here and explain to you what makes Palmar and JAT mafia either way as long as you don't consider all the points raised about Jealous. It waters down the arguments against a single mafia if I have to explain why three people at once have to be or not.
Ok. So you are one those 3. Do you want me to make a town case on Jealous? I will make a better one than the one on CC.
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On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her.
Ok. I will reread him.
My townread on him is basically
1) does insane research projects that feels useless to do as mafia because they don't really deliver that much compared to the time you put into it.
2) We connected during our disbelief watching CC and VE vote themselves.
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Ohyeah. Palmar coming back into the game and calling Oats mafia on a flimpsy reason and then fully agreeing with me that Oats was town.
That's what he means with "listening to Koshi too much"
He remembers how scummy it was and how it looks now with the Oats flip. Funny I come across this in Jealous his filter.
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar.
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On March 06 2024 08:19 Jealous wrote:Okay I had like 51 more tabs with quotes up but fuck it, this post is already too bloated as is. All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with). Definitely some reads that I am probably getting wrong because I haven't played with many of you and have not played many games here period so I have to interpret how others are reacting to that poster's behavior (ex: Alakaslam is just schizoposting but that seems to be NAI for them based on how little attention it is getting). Also, I know this isn't saying much given basic probability and etc., but the majority of interactions/slapfights/finger-pointing felt very TvT to me. Anyway: 1) raynpelikoneet - Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn from what I can tell/my experience. I certainly don’t think he should be bailed out by other posters whose conduct I was unimpressed with, like CopCake. Seeing other people I am more confident in believing to be town having the same impression has helped me feel a bit more confident in my gut read here. Having played and successfully read rayn as scum in the past, this feels a lot like that time. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 00:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia. Which means you should be casing DP instead of playing the drama queen which you are not doing. Which is why you are within your scumrange. ^ Agreed, even though I also agree with rayn that iamp is not mafia. Seems like a pocket attempt to me. On March 05 2024 06:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn. ^ Agreed with Koshi on this. “Slam is more reasonable” is not what I’m seeing in this game. On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:
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No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. ^ Did not like these posts from rayn at all. “Look at my stats guys, c’mon, I’m town.” Then blathers on about so much stuff that is barely relevant as if this is Chapter 12 in a long saga of some sort and not isolated incidents/games. 2) Oatsmaster - Don't feel too strongly about it; I didn't find their early posts to be all that bad. Some of the later unsubstantiated reads/posts, not as much; they kinda rubbed me the wrong way, like a person trying to deflect attention from themselves onto someone else. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible 3) DarthPunk - Probably one of my strongest town reads at the moment. Was pushing the game forward from the very start, and in general I find myself agreeing with his reads on others. Spends time and effort reviewing his reads/tunnels on others, updates his reads publicly and without prompting at times. The concern I have is that he could be just a smart + experienced mafia who is doing a good job of looking townie, but I guess time will tell. Some posts of theirs I liked: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:01 DarthPunk wrote:OK having just read Jacob's filter from this game and his last town game, gun to my head I would probably say town, he is posting 'freely' and there are a few times he volunteered reads + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2024 18:01 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay I'm backish, currently sick so I may drop out for a few hours at a time to just sleep shits exhausting.
It's totally within DP's Meta to be question presuring and smug but as I said before I'm not going to think about him for a good while otherwise we'll get another JSL v TTT event.
Slam is interesting. I'm using all my power to not instantly Cheziu vote them.
Ray always seems like the most reasonable person ever to me but this might be because I don't think I've ever been in a ray scum game. This said I would vote for them for Mayor behind myself.
Cake Cop's gender identity has thrown my read of them entirely off which is strange I didn't realise it would do that I'll have to start reading them again.
I'm not sure who it was but someone came into the thread and was like hey three pages and no votes bah but then in the vote thread doesn't seem to have voted either. On March 05 2024 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Okay I've been reading for like an hour and only up to page 55 but oh boy was it a "Fun" night. this is just up to 55 haven't seen anything after that. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel Okay I'll just open up replies of interest from when I was sleeping and then combine them all later it might look a bit discombobulated. Do you still think I'm scummish? If so where am I on the list? Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up? Yeah I'm not seeing Sando being bad from this either she was like exactly I changed my mind. Seemed town in play as far as I could tell. (following up with later posts sando being in mason with marv and not being seen as scum by marv is also good) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” I also did get this impression a bit but I might be biased by last game Koshi being mafia, speaking of I voted for him to see if he got pouty about it. Which they did a very small amount but not sure if alignment indicitive nessesarally. (follow up now that I've read to page 55 both my very slight town reads are voting VE and then Rayn just started mentioning voting VE so I would be happy to "sheep", that said I wasn't super impressed but I know I have a massive cognative bais against Koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:
I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Honestly wtf how? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. Okay I see the logic of tying up a role block forever on him but... if mafia (although I find it almost certain he isn't) I feel like I would prefer a strong town later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:37 iamperfection wrote:
Copcake goes up several town tiers for borderline cheating This is kinda fair. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't feel mafia vivax would do this without this much pressure like don't get me wrong that's actually a play I can see someone making or... I could see someone convinced into by their scum team but I don't know if they would have used jailkeeper for that claim and also what about counterclaim risks as mafia? No I think vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ehh was already reading sandro as pretty town. Think the mason hate is weird. Anyway will disapear again until I catch up from page 55 On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. What is this the newest issue of modern grandma Found this really funny, not helpful I know but I like it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. What is Rayn's Scum range I probably need to know. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly We don't even know what marv is. Besides, why shouldn't he? It's like you think masoning marv is equal to running naked and heavily armed into a military encampment. I mean if Marv was town quite possibly but not for a player like Ray who while I've only seen the town play but I know it's strong and strong early which is why if town being mayor would be an advantage compared to say dp who's town game is only strong later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote:
I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry After a day like this my night post is going to be glorious. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. This is funny and as marv says funny palmer is mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Koshi is super townie here.
Also I am going to unvote cake.
##unvote WHY what? *takes deep breath and decides not to tunnel DP again. Would you be able to explain why you are unvoting cake please. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn. Love this. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? I mean after seeing you unvote cake... Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. This said good looking post, as sad as it is maybe it's worth keeping vivax alive. I did like him before he roll claimed tbh seemed townish which is why it baffled me all the more that he felt presured enough to claim. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later But I can also see this point as well. Difficult.... I'm conflicted right now. when he didn't have to this game which was also a notable trait in his last town game. Activity metrics are comparable to his town play and the posting style is quite similar. The only thing that gives me pause is his treatment of me as confirmed town from the get-go, and not wanting to lynch his top scum read over lurkers. These are big reasons to be worried but if his activity stays on track and he doesn't contribute to actively trying to find mafia later then yeet him, but I don't want to lynch him today. His latest posting is really weird, but he posted some out there shit in his last town game to so meh. ^ Example of effort-posting/pushing the game forward. Could be seen as a slight waffle maybe, but I at least get what they are saying and their thought process here. On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
^ I agree with this to the extent that is possible given my knowledge. Another reason I’m in the DP = town camp, because their thinking aligns with my own and I’m town, more or less. 4) Vivax - Basically have to operate on the assumption that they are town at this point, if they are mafia then I don't know shit about fuck and probably shouldn't be playing forum mafia in general. Also similar reasons to DP. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +Some posts of theirs I like: On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. ^ Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I think that going against someone who has been supporting you [as far as I recall, it's been a lot of posts] is pretty townie. On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. ^ I don’t see a rayn/iamp/Vivax team as a possibility so measured posts like this one look pretty good to me, like a townie trying to make sure they don’t over-tunnel. 5) sandroba - Similar arguments as for DP, more or less. + Show Spoiler [Why?] + On March 06 2024 05:57 sandroba wrote:
I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
^ Not gonna keep reiterating it but posts like these look townie to me. Pointing out inconsistencies in behavior, not letting themselves be pocketed when in theory they might not mind it, doing so unprompted, etc. Can obv. be smart mafia but idk, just feels organic to me. On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. ^ Not as thoroughly convinced as them but this is more townie behavior from sandroba IMO. 6) Trfel - I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk. 7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Hard to explain why but I trust this in the context of their other interactions and how their reads on others don’t align IIRC, hopefully one of my later saved quotes elaborates on this. This reads like two townies to me and I’m willing to believe marv’s story and gut here based on their other conduct. 8) Jealous - I am VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Active and seems to be pushing the game forward IMO, find myself agreeing with their analysis of other players. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. On March 05 2024 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back. 10) Palmar - I haven’t been really impressed with their play for the most part IMO. Quotes like this one stand out as particularly “meh” to me because why play if you’re not going to read/play? Seems like this is a “Meh don’t try so hard, I’m not” post, and that just leaves me with a bad taste. I know it may be hypocritical of me to say this at this juncture, but low effort town is not a good look and makes me think it might actually just be scum laying out excuses for the future. This is counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of their posts were generally alright and I generally agreed with their line of thinking, making it seem like organic townie stuff. Neutral for now, but I do think I understand why there is a train on them now; I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game. 11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be again a the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb. However, I can't put too much weight on this read and I didn't like their analyses as much as others' so I don't have much that makes them absolutely townie either, IMO. Neutral for now, because I don’t think that their head-scratcher posts were AI (though I was tempted to sheep sandroba re: JAT as quoted above). + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? ^ Having a hard time understanding what the point of something like this is, for example. On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. ^ Ironically I agree with basically these reads except for rayn but was an example of where I thought JAT’s opinion mostly aligned with my own, so tough to believe he might be scum. Maybe using the reads to disguise a scumbuddy in there, perhaps? Still, mostly WIFOM stuff for me. 12) die_meatbaby - Another poster whose posts I had a somewhat hard time following conceptually sometimes, but for the most part I didn’t think it was all that bad. Nothing great, but nothing horrible either. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. ^ Can’t say I agree with this with conviction but I can see this as being true to my own experience. I didn’t mind their long list post, though. Spoilered: + Show Spoiler [Long list post] +On March 05 2024 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote:
I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go… Good TownMe 🙂
VivaxI know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia TownRelshe only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course Sandrobahas the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now. Less Town but would have a chance to get TownishKoshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town. DPTrfl IAPSlightly scummyJSLMy Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty JustanotherTowniejustanotherscum MarvNo Town Marv behavier found MafiaOatsmasterSeems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us. RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No categorySlam illegible god of the gameMZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country Not playing jealous Hapahauli This is just OMGUS On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2 I actually agree with them here. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Agreed with them here again. 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. 14) JacobStrangelove - Another poster that I have a hard time understanding and who doesn’t seem to want to be understood, preferring to talk in weird ways instead of being clear until pressured. Like, what the hell are these posts? + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 14:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. It's a parked vote didn't remember you had voted them at the time, why? Are you afraid they'll be lynched? Did you try and get away with early voting your scum buddy early and it's now scary? I see a deflection case here you think it'll be easy to lynch me to save yourself. I could cover old ground but the reasons you seem scummy are just in the thread. DP's case you havent held up to the preasure very well. The reason for not voting you are purely semantic activity based. You'll only turn more red the more you post if you are part of the evil british army! Oh wait yeah it was the british with red coats in the Napoleonic era huh.... I guess I can be American.... On March 05 2024 14:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Now I will say this isn't based on DP's interaction with women that I've seen. He's clearly a stud and women love him. More DP's style of interaction I've put in a box of people who are like that, and seperatally people who are like that interacting with women or woman styled men tend to cause a more stubborn reaction in that same style. So initially based on the gender change I was seeing you as less mafia. 15) Hapahauli - I don't know them but I don't think it would be smart/most people would be disinterested enough as mafia to basically ask to be modkilled. Based on others' reactions, it doesn't seem to be in this player's nature. 16) Iamperfection - I just think that like the other townreads I have, their activity was productive and is more townie than not. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote:
Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening ^ Bringing this up when they were under no heat of their own and driving the game forward. Small stuff but there were other examples. Of course, we did end up finding out what’s going on with Rels, but this is still good IMO. Just to be clear, not strong on its own, but as part of the larger package. 17) Koshi - Like my other town reads, definitely feels like someone who is trying to push the game forward and catch mafia. We will 100% find out how good of a job they are doing in the near future as we get some flips, but for now, Koshi has been one of the more townie-sounding people I’ve read. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 21:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I disagree with that mafia is on board. When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was 1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone. 2) no town circle 3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that) I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn) to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start. On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. ^ Posts like these don’t feel like a mafia!Koshi would be going this hard against a townie!Palmar or defending a mafia!marv. 18) ToTheStars - I don’t find the case against them to be that strong but the difference between what they were posting like at the beginning vs. their notable absence when being pressured by a lot of others makes me think that they are hoping they are just overlooked/forgotten somehow and that people move to new targets. 19) VisceraEyes - Kinda neutral on them tbh; wouldn’t mind a reminder as to why this person might be a good lynch, because frankly I don’t recall anything too egregious. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool
People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen.
I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted.
So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days.
I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. ^ I don’t think this is necessarily productive but I can also resonate with this and seems like a townie wanting to prevent a mislynch more than a cornered scum to me. 20) Rels - Maybe I’m just getting loopy at this point but I really don’t remember much of anything that Rels did. Going to not be too judgmental right now but worried about a scum taking a back seat here. Going to keep an eye out. Update as I was writing: Seems there are family issues there, will be willing to let them live for now and hope things get better soon. 21) Alakaslam - Can't outright say they seem scummy but I certainly don't understand what the fuck they are saying most of the time, which to me means that they are not playing in town's best interest, which means I wouldn't mind seeing them gone and we might get a mafia lynch for it to boot. FWIW I get that they went through a rough time recently; in fact IIRC I spoke to them in a blog somewhere about it. But then, why join this game? Why “play” like this? Maybe they are riding on “just Alakaslam things” as an excuse? Etc. + Show Spoiler [Waste of time] +On March 05 2024 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Honestly I am being honest I swear to my honesty honest to God
I edit my posts and read before posting honestly I swear to honest On March 05 2024 14:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:
would dp come after me as mafia? im guessing no? Why not? Nothing sticks so he can sling shit any direction. Ok saying that reminded me of a rant he made not long ago Retracting the SR. Actually might be a hard TR for DP now actually. What are you taking about? Since when did you scum read me lol? Several times, actually! But people don't read me this game and I think I should not blame them for that. I waffle on you faster than a windshield wiper on full speed What rant are you taking about? I'm just going nuts over here, don't get too worried about it. If you don't like me scum reading you, wait like 5 seconds On March 04 2024 22:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:42 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 21:41 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? I want to know your alignment. Yes, obviously. Anyone else? Man you make me suspect you. Still lynch vivax if by some faerie magic, I am actually elected mayor. Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch. Dammit, I have to filter you for your questions, don't I? What are you talking about? I was talking to cake here? Yeah and you're being Oats at her.Whatever, flavor means varyIng things to varying flavor. You can't personality read and I should give grave for that to both you and Oats. Got it out of my system. No slam. Cake is legitimately scummy here. 1.) She came into the thread roleplaying and while that in itself is not scummy she also did not contribute anything at all until2.) I try to engage her about her reads and then she instantly calls me mafia and says I am not trying to solve the game which is: a.) objectively untrue and b.) hilariously ironic for someone who had until I had asked her for reads had literally only roleplayed a tea party. 3.) she then says that she was actually playing the game with the role play and in fact was interacting with her town circle. but 4.) Actively avoided engaging with me about her town reads or why they formed much too early in the game to be called a town circle 5.) she was caught as mafia for that exact same reason day 1 last time she was mafia. These points are fair. And I haven't the recollection of last time she was mafia so I will have to cede that to you. Wait What? Literally last game we played together i was mafia o_O Doesn't mean I remember it. I am in a bad divorce that had me thinking about whether I could find a country to do assisted suicide that would notify of my death but not call it a suicide so I could still give my family a life insurance payout. Fortunately I realized how many people that would hurt, and that I was plotting a serious crime to boot. But shit isn't going well at all for slam. So I can't remember jack shit. ^ Why are you here then? Sorry, but seriously.
If you are town. You can be proud of these reads.
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On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looking forward to see what you do going forward.
The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person.
Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game.
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I am on my phone so I cant quote all these posts. But they are on page 1 of the jealous filter.
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On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense.
Haha. Yeah I understand what you mean Vivax.
1) Jealous talks as if CC is town or at least possible town during the night. That it is TvT.
2) He argues that he and CC cant be mafia together. Which I agree upon. That would be insane vs a town!VE.
3) He votes CC in what seems to be a "I am not mafia, so CC is" kinda manner as a defense against Rels? I dont get that part exactly.
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On March 14 2024 00:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:59 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looking forward to see what you do going forward. The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person. Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game. Not necessarily true. Jat was a major wagon day 1.
Oh true during the night. But this was before that.
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This is why Vivax is town reason#6753
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On March 12 2024 15:41 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 15:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 12 2024 15:23 Jealous wrote:
Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself? I mean yeah that is pretty much it tbh. In the situation where be and cc are scum they might be helpless and both self vote and be sad in qt right? But they aren't, game isn't hopeless, at least two hidden or semi hidden scum out there. Cupcake would have at least the most basic social requirement to them to hold on slightly longer so they have more chance of winning. Hence cc is town who feels they are playing solo and depressed. Thanks. Not pressuring you directly FWIW, just wanted to bounce ideas and have it said to me in a different way than the way I have been reading it myself through the WIFOM/WIOM fog. Fucked up part is I can totally see it this way. Have to do some thinking about whether coached scum!CopCake can pull this off for a worst-case 1 for 1 with VE, knowing that both are likely to be lynched, you know? I can see the TvT lynch scenario now for the same reasons you listed, though. Need a clearer mind to wade through the BS. Sad part is both played so scummy IMO that it's hard to accept an alternative to one of them being scum, but it does indeed feel more likely than before
Jealous why did you vote cc after this point made by JSL
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On March 14 2024 00:18 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 23:59 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looking forward to see what you do going forward. The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person. Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game. Not necessarily true. Jat was a major wagon day 1. Basically this. I catch up to the thread and it's JAT vs. Trfel, I look into Koshi's argument on Trfel and ask for someone to help me understand why JAT over Trfel the same way Koshi helped me look into why Trfel over JAT.
Really. This was situated then?
Ok i need to look at those posts better. I thought all this was before JAT was looked at. When he was just focused on Vivax/me and the mayor issue.
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On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
March 06 2024 09:14
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Ok I am wrong. You asked 5 times about JAT in the heat of the battle while JAT was getting votes.
Well. In a world where JAT is mafia. That doesnt look good. The hesitance to take a stance is real. I should check if you ever voted JAT. That could save you.
On March 06 2024 08:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (11): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar, Jealous, Trfel
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (4): sandroba, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 11 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Trfel (6): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi
Justanothertownie (4): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove
Palmar (2) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
ToTheStars (1): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, Vivax
Oatsmaster (1) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
die_meatbaby (1): Oatsmaster
Hapahauli (0): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
DarthPunk (0) : raynpelikoneet
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(4): Jealous, die_meatbaby, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 6 votes, Trfel is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
March 06 2024 08:46
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Holy fuck look at the lynch.
Lolololol
On March 05 2024 11:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (6): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (10):
With 6 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Oatsmaster (3) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
ToTheStars (3): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Palmar (3) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Koshi (1) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
CopCake (0): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(8):
With 3 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On March 14 2024 00:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 12 2024 10:57 iamperfection wrote:
before i get clouded by the result of this. I dont think a mafia rels comes in here to save cop whatever cop is like he did here. Does scum!iamp sheep him though? 🤣 Jealous is 80% sure that cop is mafia. This is his first reaction to iamp switching. He laughs about his own notion that iamp can be mafia off that. That‘s mafia ‚sanity‘.
I havent read this part. I don't get what is happening here.
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On March 14 2024 00:30 Jealous wrote:
Bro, after coming into the game like 36 hours late I sheeped your read and vote on Trfel, which in your world looks bad for me that I didn't vote for JAT? Lmao
Because JAT is mafia
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On March 14 2024 00:33 iamperfection wrote:
Does jat give his reason for thinking palmar isn't mafia?
Sheep read of marv
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On March 12 2024 21:53 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 20:55 iamperfection wrote:
So jat is palmar scum? You diminished the case but it wasn't super clear if you disagreed with the whole thing. I have said multiple times now that I think he is probably town. I trust Marvs ability to read him over my own and he said he is 90 % town.
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If anybody wants to experience beauty in its purest form:
read my page 18-now and see how I evolve towards this Palmar/JAT/dmb or Jealous scumteam.
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On March 14 2024 00:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:39 iamperfection wrote:
I would move koshi out of my scum tier from my.list post right now. Seems good to me he‘s towned it up massively
🥲
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Jealous, dmb, JAT and Palmar just need to talk about Jealous, dmb, JAT and Palmar.
DP and CC need to stfu.
MZ will do fine because he is one of the few still doing the work.
Rels is the town hero that currently is addicted to hookers & cocaine but will turn his life around and lead us to victory once again.
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On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS.
Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town.
Just what we needed.
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I should reread the Oats lynch. We lynched him over Town!VE. Why?
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But not now. I am tired.
Should have worked more instead of playing mafia.
Oh well.
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On March 14 2024 00:58 Vivax wrote:
Rels did something good by voting copcake and it was to give Jealous the comfort zone to attempt to park there again and not look elsewhere for the rest of the day.
It‘s like Jealous thought it was over the moment he finished his convo with him.
That‘s when you pull up and drag him out of the bed he made.
Mafia had it too easy last couple days and they thought they could get away with things.
JAT with me yesterday concerning Palmar. Same story.
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On March 14 2024 04:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Palmar didn‘t notice the guy who didn‘t post for half a day started out by claiming VT. TTS and hapa are mischaracterized. TTs played early, then fucked off. For hapa it‘s the opposite. You can interchangeably use his reasons for his TtS and Hapa verdicts. They are barely different. It‘s fake.
His Oats read was also extremely subpar. I know I repeat myself but now with the flip I am even more suspicious. Because he had to save himself and bussed a teammate weakly, then let himself get convinced Oats was town.
Town!Palmar could have done more there.
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On March 14 2024 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous is someone I need to reread for sure. I kind of ignored his existence so far.
This is the problem with you.
We have had 4 confirmed town since forever, a town looking CC after town!VE flipped, and last night you were just happy holding the status quo with Palmar town.
You are not doing PoE and actively finding mafia. You are just waiting and reacting. Thinking you can adapt to the new situations when they come. But you have no list in your head who you PoEd is mafia. After the VE flip the world was on its head.
But not for Palmar & you.
You do this as your first post after a huge shocker:
On March 12 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv did not say palmar is mafia. He strongly called him town. How are you all getting this wrong. VEs case was also not very good.
I really love how you put your own name in the list of people who read him mafia though.
Defending Palmar against a confirmed town.
And now you go for the too scummy to be scum together defense?
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On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point.
What a town hero does. Analyse.
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Adapt:
On March 12 2024 11:09 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar + cop + someone
Self reflect on a potential terrible vote:
On March 12 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:really, really hope CopCake doesn't turn out to be scum I don't really know what this means for the game ... I guess we'll see tomorrow with a fresh mind
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Weird stuff:
On March 12 2024 11:08 Jealous wrote:
To be entirely fair I can't fault y'all too much, I said I would have been fine with a VE lynch the following day unless something crazy happened.
Still, let me be mad at y'all for a bit. Buncha shennanying maniacs. Y'all do it so often that it is basically NAI, which makes it worse. Still doesn't make me hate y'all any less.
Y'all better pray CopCake flips town at some point or I will never forgive you.
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This wasnt his first post but this is what JAT/Palmar had to do:
On March 12 2024 15:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah mafia is Palmer, Koshi, easy not sure on last
Cc is town because playing so drastically against win con as scum when you know ve is town is dumb.
It was scummy before but now we know VE is town Cc is town.
Unless we lynch Palmer and he flips town then it's cc rels and still not sure on last.
I like jealous and mz, Jat in that order of townness.
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On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post.
It's ok because he is posting his entire thought process. It's not only what happened, he also draws a conclusion around cc and Rels which is the same as JSL did.
Reading this made it clearer for me that cc is not mafia. And I know it did the same in his head.
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On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore.
COOL STORY BRO
When are those reads coming? Are you guys already finished organising a come back or is it this?
Ignore & deflect
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First post by Palmar:
On March 12 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 13:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 01:06 Palmar wrote:
I wanna talk a little about VE.
I have absolutely no idea what he is doing this game. He is playing incredibly "scummy" by not posting and just not taking part in the game, and he knows this. He has even pointed out, a few times I think, that he is being scummy. All of his posts are incredibly standoff-ish. The feeling I get is that every other thing he says is just "COME AT ME BRUH".
So what do I do with that? There is absolutely a chance that in his mind he's trying to... teach us a lesson? It's just so hard for me to justify wrangling myself into a position where it isn't just fake mafia bravado.
If we had less time, if we were one lynch away from lylo, I'd probably be doubting this lynch a little more, but as it stands I just can't find a non-stupid reason to call him town. The problem is I can find a stupid reason to call him town and I can't be fully confident it isn't the case.
But with time, lynching him is almost a no-brainer. He has, by far, the shortest filter of the players remaining, he hasn't done anything to help town. When reading through some of his stuff early on day 1 I found myself agreeing when someone scolded him and told him to try to be a good townie.
Like if you just make a list of people from those who have done the most to try to advance and solve the game (DP) to the least (VE) it makes basically no sense to let him get away with acting this way. This kind of playing is just not useful down the line. Feel like palmar knew ve was town. The whole teach us a lesson part. No, I voted him. I thought he would flip mafia, because now I just have to accept he decided to behave like an ass for no reason. I just know that I don't know. This entire post is justifying killing him while waffling slightly on my behalf. Incidentally a lot of my very early game gut reads have been correct. Trfel town, Oats scum, VE town etc I feel like that's maybe an avenue for me to go back and think why I thought those things back then, but that's all just internal approach. By the way, we still have to lynch incorrectly 3 times in a row to lose, so no reason to panic. VE was always going to be lynch-bait and he for some reason didn't even try to help win the game. It's not a disaster. It's a taking out the trash lynch and we can easily approach tomorrow. Here's a thought, and somewhat of an internal process as well. I can't think of a single reason, I actually read VE's filter, to confidently say he's town. So I'm actually somewhat interested in why the people that didn't vote him didn't. I'm sure some of them just had a better read than I did, but I need to figure out the reasons because I'm also sure some of them had pretty shit reasons for it.
Nothing in here where you see the wheels in his head turning after a shocking flip. Nothing.
Mafiaaaaaa
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How both Palmar and JAT do not turn on each other or even easier me is beyond me.
There is mafia within us 3. That is obvious after that flip.
But no hostility or investigation at first. The wheels did not do clickclickclick.
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On March 14 2024 04:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:41 Koshi wrote:
How both Palmar and JAT do not turn on each other or even easier me is beyond me.
There is mafia within us 3. That is obvious after that flip.
But no hostility or investigation at first. The wheels did not do clickclickclick. You can keep screaming about it for a while if you wish. I will not let you rush me doing anything - there is more than enough time and unlike today I will be able to spend a good portion of tomorrow on this game. I don't think there is mafia within us 3 though.
Oh then you have 3 mafia in a group of 4?
I didnt realize you solved the game.
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On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.
I have already responded.
I think it is a tip top case and welcome your vote on me.
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On March 14 2024 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response. Koshis response will be to yell that Palmar and I are mafia some more. I guarantee it.
Also Jealous
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On March 14 2024 07:09 Vivax wrote:
It‘s impossible to gather votes on Jealous even when there‘s enough evidence.
I‘m just going to assume he‘s being setup to win
I am with you. Palmar/JAT/Jealous.
I only have 1 vote.
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Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team?
That's your best guess?
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On March 14 2024 07:14 Vivax wrote:
If there's a roleblocker it's Jealous he hardbussed Oats and never rescinded.
They'll throw any other member to the dogs before Jealous gets threatened.
That would be a fun gamble for us to take.
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On March 14 2024 07:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team?
That's your best guess? No still working, I maybe think CC is town now. If Rels is mafia btw, he has been TMI-ing the entire fucking game lol. He knew Trfel was town He knew TTS was mafia When Oats did the hero defense he still thought Oats would flip scum So much correct shit in his filter.
I know. He is the town hero.
But like in the movies he is currently going through the rough period. With a lot of cocaine and hookers. Some self pity.
That's why he is on the wrong track now lynching CC.
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On March 14 2024 07:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 07:15 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Palmar, are you going with iamp and CC mafia team?
That's your best guess? No still working, I maybe think CC is town now. If Rels is mafia btw, he has been TMI-ing the entire fucking game lol. He knew Trfel was town He knew TTS was mafia When Oats did the hero defense he still thought Oats would flip scum So much correct shit in his filter. I know. He is the town hero. But like in the movies he is currently going through the rough period. With a lot of cocaine and hookers. Some self pity. That's why he is on the wrong track now lynching CC. Didn't you call him "the third" with JAT and I like a few hours ago?
Yes. But then I read his filter.
Then it became Palmar/JAT/DMB
But then Vivax showed it was Palmar/JAT/Jealous
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On March 13 2024 21:23 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote:
Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:
1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.
Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.
By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you. I really like this post by the way.
Why do you like this post?
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Guess I need to see MZ & Rels their opinion on the last pages. I think they can see it in another way.
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On March 14 2024 07:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:34 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 07:31 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 07:29 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 21:23 Palmar wrote:On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote:
Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:
1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.
Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.
By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you. I really like this post by the way. Why do you like this post? Already explained. It's the sassyness of that last sentence. I'm not talking necessarily about the conclusion it reaches, just that Jealous basically tells a guy he thinks may be town to fuck off. He's been dismissive all the time with his posts. Sassy isn't worth much if it's for the point of stifling discussion. Yeah I'm not certain he's town, just think it's kinda likely. Also, I know this sounds kinda insane, but he made a list post on day 1 that I kinda liked, and in addition I remember sandroba liking it as well, and that actually holds a lot of weight for me. Anyway, I've got an idea.
Oats instantly put it down though. I always thought that was weird.
He called it overexplaining or something.
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Ok. I need sleep.
gn all.
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On March 14 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
Then there's the "I open up filter and get a feeling" thing.
I think JAT is mafia every time I start reading his filter. But his posts while in the thread while I'm there are very inoffensive and borderline townie.
You voted JAT based on this? Or did I miss something else?
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Ok sure. But if I do this I change to Jealous as soon as Vivax asks.
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If Palmar is town I made so many mistakes this game. Holy fuck.
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Literally played for the mafia team.
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On March 14 2024 07:40 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to vote for jat now.
Koshi can you do it with me, feel free to go back to me later, but I want to build a small wagon on jat.
I just went quickly through jat and iamps filters. They talk a bunch with each other, but give almost no reads on each other. iamp was in some list post by jat at some point, but that was really about it. I searched for "iamp" and "jat" in each other's filter, so if they use a different name it might be wrong.
Basically, at almost no point have these two given an "hey I think this guy is X because of X" on each other. It's all just quoting each other in discussions, usually about a third party.
So here's a thing
1) @iamp: what do you think of jat and why. I know you think I'm mafia, but even if I am you'd still have to find 2 more people. Go make a towncase if he's town and scumcase if you think he's scum.
2) @jat: what do you think of iamp and why? I'm not actually up to date on your stance on me, but I remember you sheeping marv's read quite hard so you may be one of the few people who think I'm town. So go ahead and make sense of iamp, tell me if I'm wrong.
The third person is so obvious then. In a JAT/iamp team. Crazy
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Ok I got to say it.
If Palmar is town.
And that is still a big if.
CC is lock mafia for the n1 nks.
rayn was wrong about literally everything except CC and she would want him dead.
Sandroba was on CC as well.
That makes that DP was right all the time.
That makes rels his vote is correct.
That makes the iamp change to VE sus as fuck.
Etc
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MZ has been on cc as well the entire time.
Somebody also told VE that he needed to look into cc and not Palmar after he looked into me.
Fml fml fml
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On March 14 2024 11:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. ebwop i meant to say its like jat knew both me and koshi were town up there when i talk about that
That makes more sense.
My case on JAT is that in his head with Palmar, iamp and Koshi town. All the blues. He should have a very small PoE left. But no posts in his filter tryvto steer town towards this small PoE. It's all control.
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On March 14 2024 12:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok I got to say it.
If Palmar is town.
And that is still a big if.
CC is lock mafia for the n1 nks.
rayn was wrong about literally everything except CC and she would want him dead.
Sandroba was on CC as well.
That makes that DP was right all the time.
That makes rels his vote is correct.
That makes the iamp change to VE sus as fuck.
Etc FFS THANKYOU. I have literally been living in this world the entire fucking game. And then I get yelled at because you are being so fucking dense. My god.
I still dont want to lynch cc though.
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On March 14 2024 13:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong
Hahahahahahaha. RIP Jealous.
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I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT.
CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates.
Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset.
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On March 14 2024 18:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 18:35 Koshi wrote:
I can still lynch both Palmar and JAT.
CC I just dont know anymore. I still read her as an enigma in solitude. I dont see in what team she operates.
Palmar is just keeping this game wide open. I am upset. I'd be enjoying this so much if I was mafia. Really annoying that I can't skirt this line of being always under suspicion but avoiding death when I am.
I have a hard time believing this isnt mafia Palmar having fun.
If you would die right now, your flip is the only thing we got.
I havent read a sheepable read on mafia.
I havent read a sheepable read on town.
It's worse. If you would flip mafia I would not know who your mates are based on your posts.
If you flip town, do I really want to sheep this iamp read? What do I do with the Rels flipflop?
Blargh
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On March 14 2024 18:48 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:36 Rels wrote:On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Where is this happening???? You're voting for JAT, the player that probably townreads you the most in the game I am absolutely developing reads throughout this day. I've added Koshi and you to my town circle, downgraded iamp to possible mafia, come back around on thinking jat has to be mafia.
Where did you add Rels to the town circle? I remember some TMI comment.
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On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI.
Nothing else in past 12 hours.
So weak.
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On March 12 2024 23:22 Palmar wrote:
Starting some work:
For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much.
He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia.
In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game.
I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work.
This is the last time you gave reasoning.
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And I read Rels early game. He was mafia on you and JAT. So... you liked him being on JAT?
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You are getting called mafia. Why is it such a problem suddenly? Try to step back and remove all the anxiety from your body. Then come back.
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In my world in which Palmar/JAT/Jealous are mafia. Only 1 is playing atm. And he is doing a lot but not talking about the other 2. So I am lynching within those 3.
I dont know what to do with CC/DMB this game. Can't solve it. And if it is so difficult I think town.
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On March 14 2024 19:35 Palmar wrote:
Koshi read point on Rels
I did and I dont get it fully. Too many quotes.
MZ says you waffle too much on him.
MZ says something about Rels I dont understand.
Then Rels says that MZ is thinking about the game and willing to throw his theories out of the window if a part of the theory is wrong.
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On March 14 2024 19:38 Koshi wrote:I did and I dont get it fully. Too many quotes. MZ says you waffle too much on him. MZ says something about Rels I dont understand. Then Rels says that MZ is thinking about the game and willing to throw his theories out of the window if a part of the theory is wrong.
And then you say that is scummy because Rels forces an idea in the thread that when you flip town, Rels must be town because he is not mafia with you...
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On March 14 2024 21:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:08 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:03 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 18:43 Koshi wrote:
##vote Palmar
It's JAT and Palmar. I truly hope I get lynched before you jubjubs lynch either cc or MZ. Because maybe that might stop you from throwing this game.
DP, you are legit too stubborn to play this game succesfully.
Probably I am too flimsy and together we might get somewhere.
But it is not going to happen. I am sheeping this And VE And jacob I mean I am so bad at playing I should follow my superiors Yeah but now Koshi is voting something else. Stop with the self-pitying, it's a tired act. Do you have any opinions on what has been developing over the last few pages? What do you think of jat? What do you think of my point about Rels? Do you have any updates on your read on me now that I've been pretty active in the thread for a while? I will post my testament when I get lynched. How about now? This is so frustrating to deal with. If you're town why do you not want to help? What is the problem? We're trying to have a game of mafia and you've just decided that because someone said something mean to you at some point all of us need to be collectively punished and taught a lesson? Mafia is a hard game, if you sign up, you need to play. I don't want to mislynch you if you're town, but you're making it incredibly hard to not come to the conclusion that no one would be this selfish as town, and the reason for your demotivation is not just that you don't have the energy to defend yourself.
Stfu Palmar.
She has +30 pages. How can that not be enough to deduce her alignment.
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On March 14 2024 21:14 DarthPunk wrote:Sorry. 😞
+1.
It's a tiresome game. Can only advice to not play too many times a year and not use all your brain cells playing it.
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On March 14 2024 21:32 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 21:31 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 21:12 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:08 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:03 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 18:43 Koshi wrote:
##vote Palmar
It's JAT and Palmar. I truly hope I get lynched before you jubjubs lynch either cc or MZ. Because maybe that might stop you from throwing this game.
DP, you are legit too stubborn to play this game succesfully.
Probably I am too flimsy and together we might get somewhere.
But it is not going to happen. I am sheeping this And VE And jacob I mean I am so bad at playing I should follow my superiors Yeah but now Koshi is voting something else. Stop with the self-pitying, it's a tired act. Do you have any opinions on what has been developing over the last few pages? What do you think of jat? What do you think of my point about Rels? Do you have any updates on your read on me now that I've been pretty active in the thread for a while? I will post my testament when I get lynched. How about now? This is so frustrating to deal with. If you're town why do you not want to help? What is the problem? We're trying to have a game of mafia and you've just decided that because someone said something mean to you at some point all of us need to be collectively punished and taught a lesson? Mafia is a hard game, if you sign up, you need to play. I don't want to mislynch you if you're town, but you're making it incredibly hard to not come to the conclusion that no one would be this selfish as town, and the reason for your demotivation is not just that you don't have the energy to defend yourself. Stfu Palmar. She has +30 pages. How can that not be enough to deduce her alignment. Didn’t you say she was lock mafia if palmar was town? Why would it be wrong for palmar to consider her In that case?
That's not the point. He can. And should. And is.
The entire "you got to do more" spiel he is typing out is shit
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+400 pages total. 33 herself.
Pretty sure she has been playing harder than anybody did last year. I can understand that somebody can destroy him/herself over this monstrocity.
And again. Palmar DOES NOT NEED cc to do more, or to belittle her that she signed up for this shitshow and now must endure the torture.
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Anyway. I dont care enough.
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I think I am stuck on JAT like this. I dont want to lynch Palmar over JAT anymore. Always JAT first and then Palmar.
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On March 14 2024 22:06 iamperfection wrote:i dont understand what your getting so worked up about.
Me neither.
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On March 06 2024 10:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (12): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar, Jealous, Trfel
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (5): sandroba, CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 11 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Trfel (8): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous
Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby
Palmar (3) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Rels Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, Vivax
Hapahauli (0): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
DarthPunk (0) : raynpelikoneet
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Oatsmaster (0) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
Not Voting(2): Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 8 votes, Trfel is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Then this happens.
On March 06 2024 10:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote dmb
Revival of the wagon after 3 left:
On March 06 2024 11:27 Rels wrote:
##unvote
##vote justanothertownie
On March 06 2024 11:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (13): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar, Jealous, Trfel, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (3): CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 13 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Trfel (8): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous
Justanothertownie (5): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels
die_meatbaby (3): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster, sandroba, DarthPunk
Palmar (1) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Rels Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
CopCake (1): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
ToTheStars (0): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, Vivax
Hapahauli (0): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
DarthPunk (0) : raynpelikoneet
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Oatsmaster (0) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
Not Voting(2): Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 8 votes, Trfel is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon?
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On March 14 2024 22:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? thats when i say excuse me right.
Happy Bday! 🥳🎉🎊
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On March 14 2024 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 22:45 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 22:38 Vivax wrote:On March 14 2024 22:14 Koshi wrote:
Did Oats leave to give JAT wagon space and start the second town wagon? Good catch Only to then return when it got close? He closed his trfel option off, he needed a new one in case you could really get lynched I repeat - to then return to me when it got close between Trfel and myself?
"Close"
I didnt check timestamps but next votecount was like 11 vs 6
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On March 14 2024 22:47 CopCake wrote:
I will explain later the reasons and why I got into those conclusions
@Koshi
Can you be good boi and check that for me?
1) I wont lynch Palmar over JAT today. So no need to check.
2) You say you dont read JAT mafia, do you read him town?
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DMB voted copcake yesterday. There is no chance they are mafia together. Just putting that out there.
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On March 14 2024 22:57 CopCake wrote:
After that
Ok.
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I saw something fun but it completely fucks with my scumteam.
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When Oats was getting lynched. The last 3 on the VE wagon were MZ, iamp and CC.
Now that JAT is lynched. They are all 3 sitting on the opposite wagon as well.
And during d1 none of them joined the JAT wagon except MZ when it was 9-5 for JAT, 8 minutes before deadline, and Oats joined 1 minute after.
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On March 14 2024 23:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 23:44 Koshi wrote:
When Oats was getting lynched. The last 3 on the VE wagon were MZ, iamp and CC.
Now that JAT is lynched. They are all 3 sitting on the opposite wagon as well.
And during d1 none of them joined the JAT wagon except MZ when it was 9-5 for JAT, 8 minutes before deadline, and Oats joined 1 minute after. What are you saying exactly? That they are mafia and voting as a block? Would be the first time that ever happened.
I am not saying anything yet.
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On March 11 2024 09:26 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
VisceraEyes (7): Rels, Justanothertownie, Koshi, Palmar, Vivax, iamperfection, Meapak_Ziphh, DarthPunk
CopCake (5): Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, Vivax, die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Not Voting (1): Vivax
With 7 votes, VisceraEyes is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Mar 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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Iamp jat and mz not on copcake.
I am not saying they are all mafia. I am saying they vote together a lot of the time.
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I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes.
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On March 15 2024 00:38 Vivax wrote:
Copcake wagon looks more pure duh
Maybe one mafia on it
Yes CC )
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I do not believe iamp is mafia
But CC/MZ/JAT
I kinda like it in a world Palmar isnt mafia.
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On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please.
I can only do an indirect quote.
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On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote.
No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats"
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On March 15 2024 00:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:40 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:38 Vivax wrote:
Copcake wagon looks more pure duh
Maybe one mafia on it Yes CC ) I was hoping you‘d say Jealous
Problem with Jealous is tjat he looks good on these votes. With JAT and Palmar it works. Otherwise it gets tricky.
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On March 15 2024 00:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats" Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect.
I'll go look.
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On March 15 2024 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Both of those posts have nothing to do with what Koshi said.
Ah. True. I was almost right though.
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I go with Palmar/JAT/Jealous (thread analysis)
Or
MZ/CC/JAT/iamp (vote analysis)
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On March 15 2024 01:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:10 Koshi wrote:
I go with Palmar/JAT/Jealous (thread analysis)
Or
MZ/CC/JAT/iamp (vote analysis) What do you think of Palmar/Jealous/yourself?
If we vote of Palmar and Jealous first I am fine with it.
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On March 15 2024 01:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Actually untrue Koshi and Palmar have the balls to vote with us here as scum. Maybe two bussers on Oats, one flipped, and the other is Jealous the swoleblocker
In my world it is impossible there is not mafia in those last 3.
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On March 15 2024 01:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:29 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Actually untrue Koshi and Palmar have the balls to vote with us here as scum. Maybe two bussers on Oats, one flipped, and the other is Jealous the swoleblocker In my world it is impossible there is not mafia in those last 3.
But I am not scumreading 1 of them so this is a huge problem I have to deal with
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On March 15 2024 01:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:57 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 01:29 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Actually untrue Koshi and Palmar have the balls to vote with us here as scum. Maybe two bussers on Oats, one flipped, and the other is Jealous the swoleblocker In my world it is impossible there is not mafia in those last 3. But I am not scumreading 1 of them so this is a huge problem I have to deal with
CC and MZ must be mafia. But with who? Palmar then?
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On March 15 2024 02:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:57 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 01:57 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 01:29 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Actually untrue Koshi and Palmar have the balls to vote with us here as scum. Maybe two bussers on Oats, one flipped, and the other is Jealous the swoleblocker In my world it is impossible there is not mafia in those last 3. But I am not scumreading 1 of them so this is a huge problem I have to deal with CC and MZ must be mafia. But with who? Palmar then?
Or mz palmar Jat but bleghhh
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DP being alive and being able to shoot points towards CC being town.
I think the VE/CC lynch was TvT
Mafia must have showed some face on Oats. I refuse to think they were all on Oats. TTS was already on Oats.
That points towards mafia!MZ as well who suddenly saw the light and came to VE.
Rels/Jealous/JAT/TTS all stayed on Oats. They just cant all be mafia together with Oats. That's insane.
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So if 2 came to VE it is within Palmar/MZ/CC i do not want to believe iamp is mafia. Out of those 3 I do not believe it is CC.
So yeah. Is it Palmar/MZ and x?
Do I want to stay on x? X being JAT then.
My brain is foggy.
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Yeah I kinda like it being Palmar and MZ.
Fml.
JAT why cant you just say Palmar is mafia?????? If you are town and Palmar is mafia would you not see it in this situation?
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On March 15 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:11 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I kinda like it being Palmar and MZ.
Fml.
JAT why cant you just say Palmar is mafia?????? If you are town and Palmar is mafia would you not see it in this situation? My thoughts exactly. It’s like he is avoiding finding mafia on purpose
Do you want my vote somewhere? I really spent too much time on this game this cycle. I need to stop watching the thread and my phone. I really am overdoing this.
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On March 15 2024 02:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:13 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 02:11 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I kinda like it being Palmar and MZ.
Fml.
JAT why cant you just say Palmar is mafia?????? If you are town and Palmar is mafia would you not see it in this situation? My thoughts exactly. It’s like he is avoiding finding mafia on purpose Do you want my vote somewhere? I really spent too much time on this game this cycle. I need to stop watching the thread and my phone. I really am overdoing this. I switched to Palmar but you can vote how you see fit. I trust you no matter your alignment.
I dont trust myself. I think I maybe cop out and vote MZ. But that is sucj a weak ass vote after all what is done this day.
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On March 15 2024 02:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:14 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 02:13 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:On March 15 2024 02:11 Koshi wrote:
Yeah I kinda like it being Palmar and MZ.
Fml.
JAT why cant you just say Palmar is mafia?????? If you are town and Palmar is mafia would you not see it in this situation? My thoughts exactly. It’s like he is avoiding finding mafia on purpose Do you want my vote somewhere? I really spent too much time on this game this cycle. I need to stop watching the thread and my phone. I really am overdoing this. I switched to Palmar but you can vote how you see fit. I trust you no matter your alignment. I dont trust myself. I think I maybe cop out and vote MZ. But that is sucj a weak ass vote after all what is done this day.
No I cant. I need to mynch into JAT and Palmar. So it will not be with iamp and MZ. Not that I dont trust iamp to be town. But his voting record is like mine. Horrible.
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Not voting with the people on VE with me, but voting on somebody who voted Oats. Oh well.
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If you vote somebody on the Oats wagon. You should townread the other people on that wagon. TTS already flipped. You going to tell me Jealous/Rels are also mafia? And who is the last JAT to make it complete?
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Dont be fucking dumb. If JAT is of the table I move to Palmar.
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I will not vote anybody on the Oats wagon than JAT.
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On the VE wagon there is CC, MZ and Palmar. If you want shennanies. Go there.
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On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats.
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On March 14 2024 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist. Jealous:People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later. He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago. Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks! On March 06 2024 09:16 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop. The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing. So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh. Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff. To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry. This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something? Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:58 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example. Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis. Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam. He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum. Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia. He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now. More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:
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Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that.
I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way.
Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ? I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time). Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:38 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:@ Jealous I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads. You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort. It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile... On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy. Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this: On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing. On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT. Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc. Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:51 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then. Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst. I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair. Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel. And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier.
So this is a hard scumread?
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Jealous cant be mafia with CC or the bus is so fucking insane.
With dmb it means Oats was filled with mafia.
Like.... Really beautiful that Palmar and JAT are pushing the same guys.
But lets just fucking lynch into them.
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Jealous dmb Rels.
Literally all on Oays.
That is what this JAT/Palmar tandem wants you to believe.
If you fall for that.
Sad. Just sad.
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I go for JAT/Palmar/MZ
I am fully locked in now.
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On March 15 2024 04:29 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:27 Koshi wrote:
Jealous dmb Rels.
Literally all on Oays.
That is what this JAT/Palmar tandem wants you to believe.
If you fall for that.
Sad. Just sad. Wasnt Oats calling you Mayor Koshi and you voted together for VE? Do you think Oats tried to pocket you?
I know he succeeded.
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I really think this is it.
JAT mafia explains the Oats moving away D1. MZ and Oats coming in later.
MZ sat a bit wrong with me around the dmb and CC stuf. He saw the light suddenly on Oats and that actually pinged me back then.
Palmar is just unholy incarnated. And with his demon friend JAT tjey are pushing dead and decay into this thread.
We put JAT and Palmar with their backs to the wall. They weaseled themselves back in, showed "effort" and are now pushing mafia agenda in this thread because they feel like they have done enough "effort"
Fucking murder them.
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On March 15 2024 04:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats. Not everyone was there at the deadline. But you do make a point. It seems very likely that there is at least one if not two mafia in mz/cc/iamp But you also have to remember that mafia is playing with perfect information. They know that Oats is scum, they know the check is legit (whereas I mused about even lynching slam). They will be deathly afraid of being seen to go against the red check even if a bunch of stupid townies are doing it I think it’s perfectly reasonable that 3 mafia were on Oats to try to not get the attention that voting against a red check would give them
If you vivax and I are pushing VE and we are all town, mafia would come over to our wagon. Lucky marv has a brain.
The fact you and JAT push 3 people on that Oats wagon is simply ridiculous. That you dont attackbeachvother over this but just fill this thread with this nonsense is too much for me.
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On March 15 2024 04:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats. Iamp and Oats ended up voting for the same person twice.
Yes. I know. iamp saved you CC. And if he is mafia, and youbtown, he wouldnt have saved you. VE was always getting lynched and caused the thread to be deadish on scumhunting.
Iamp saving you over VE is extremely townie.
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I am locked boys. You have to convince Vivax/DP/iamp etc.
For me mafia is
JAT/Palmar/MZ
Locked and loaded till the end..
418 pages. I dont need to post anything else anymore.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
Time to vote with my homies. I hope DP sees what I see.
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On March 15 2024 06:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Let’s work in a world that palmar is town for a little bit.
Does that rule out JAT as mafia?
Cause day one he is locked in on town palmar as a lynch and a wagon forms on him because he refuses to vote trfel.
Now he is a risk of being lynched again and he is town reading the obvious counter wagon.
None of that makes sense if palmar town JAT mafia.
Now it does make sense if they are both mafia
But in that case why does palmar form a counter wagon on his own teammate of all people. There are a lot of people that look roughly similar this game to choose from.
Does mafia palmar choose to bus here for no reason?
So I don’t think they are paired either.
Can’t say I love the conclusions being drawn here.
It isn't a real wagon when Palmar doesn't push the wagon at all. Doesn't try to convince people JAT is mafia. Goes to find mafia together with JAT and eventually flipflopping on his Rels read.
Anyway. this isn't so useful because we are lynching Palmar.
He will flip mafia.
And then we will talk again about JAT.
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On March 15 2024 06:12 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t want to lynch palmar.
Why not JAT first?
I dislike Palmar a lot more.
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On March 15 2024 06:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Although I will say he has posted a lot of reads today. So that is kinda of defeating the reason I thought he was mafia.
He does it so he gains towncred so he can push people off Palmar.
Be very fucking wary if he suddenly starts hard pushing stuff in this thread.
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JAT hasn't done shit so far. But he is doing all this so they can lead town into oblivion.
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On March 15 2024 06:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:15 Koshi wrote:
JAT hasn't done shit so far. But he is doing all this so they can lead town into oblivion. Agreed. So why we voting palmar over jat here?
Because I am voting with my homies.
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On March 15 2024 06:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:14 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:14 DarthPunk wrote:
Although I will say he has posted a lot of reads today. So that is kinda of defeating the reason I thought he was mafia. He does it so he gains towncred so he can push people off Palmar. Be very fucking wary if he suddenly starts hard pushing stuff in this thread. Amazing.
Feel free to do w.e you want. I am just saying as it is.
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On March 15 2024 06:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:16 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 06:15 Koshi wrote:
JAT hasn't done shit so far. But he is doing all this so they can lead town into oblivion. Agreed. So why we voting palmar over jat here? Because I am voting with my homies. Oof
I said I wanted you to join us. You belong with us.
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On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup?
I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia.
I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her.
Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT.
And I do not think iamp is mafia.
So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar?
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On March 15 2024 06:19 DarthPunk wrote:
Can’t say I’m thrilled with either wagon right now but especially not the palmar wagon.
I understand. But I think you are wrong on him.
Must say. If Palmar is town. And CC mafia. I will sheep you in 2024.
Marv is done then. You will be my herder.
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On March 15 2024 06:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Where is dmb by the way?
dmb also voted cc. So even there little chance they are mafia together.
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On March 15 2024 06:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:15 Koshi wrote:
JAT hasn't done shit so far. But he is doing all this so they can lead town into oblivion. Fuck you. I have done a shitton more than you today. Your 2 sentences don't even go together.
Sorry. I meant before today.
You did very well today.
But I think you did it for the reason I outlined.
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On March 15 2024 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Why is jealous town? Or dmb?
Jealous could be mafia with who? CC who he is pushing 24/7?
Rels? not really after tonight.
So MZ? Ok I think that is possible.
Then what?
I keep ending up on Palmar/JAT.
But you 2 refuse to read each other mafia. Palmar did it a little bit but it felt fake as fuck tbh. He just divided his own wagon between you 2 and then you 2 did the work and tried to push us off you.
Why are you not weirded out that Palmar breaks up his own wagon and gets 4 votes on you.
Why were you not at least a bit suspicious of Palmar after VE flip?
You read some filters now and it all sounds like you read it for the first time. So why were you not more wary of Palmar before? I do not understand.
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On March 15 2024 06:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Obviously there is a hidden mafia somewhere that is why your teams don’t match up. I think it’s valuable to just look at players in isolation sometimes If palmar is town, there is soo much pointing to cake right now. Like Rayn thought cake was mafia night one. Then he died. So you Think it was a blue snipe? Cake has slipped hard many many times this game and then she just keeps posting about night actions and omgus people that scum read her. While also being on all the wrong wagons. Idk man, maybe I’m tunnelled but she is just getting a free pass this game
rayn was 100% scum on Palmar. Maybe that.
Maybe a snipe.
Maybe because he was the only one not sucking Oats dick.
Who will tell. If Palmar is town it really suprises me.
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On March 15 2024 06:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:25 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Why is jealous town? Or dmb? Jealous could be mafia with who? CC who he is pushing 24/7? Rels? not really after tonight. So MZ? Ok I think that is possible. Then what? I keep ending up on Palmar/JAT. But you 2 refuse to read each other mafia. Palmar did it a little bit but it felt fake as fuck tbh. He just divided his own wagon between you 2 and then you 2 did the work and tried to push us off you. Why are you not weirded out that Palmar breaks up his own wagon and gets 4 votes on you. Why were you not at least a bit suspicious of Palmar after VE flip? You read some filters now and it all sounds like you read it for the first time. So why were you not more wary of Palmar before? I do not understand. I was not wary of Palmar because I trust marvs read. Thought that was obvious.
Well. We will see endgame. We haven't played since long and maybe you tell the truth.
I simply do not believe it.
What I do believe is that you are mafia and that you forgot that you needed to have scumreads at the ready. And that a flip changes things around.
I am upset that both you and Palmar didn't show brainactivity in your PoE list after the VE list.
I find it super sus.
I gave you guys an entire day to do shit and read each other.
It was subpar and it felt mafia buddies gaining towncred and then pushing votes off each other as soon as I saw that Jealous/Rels/dmb shit.
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On March 15 2024 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
If palmar flips town and you are town koshi. Marv and myself will be absolutely insufferable. I hope you realise that.
It's fine. I am always insufferable so the only ones that loses will be the people playing with us.
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On March 15 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:25 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 06:19 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 06:17 DarthPunk wrote:
And why have we ruled out cake koshi? I guess I missed that part in the catchup? I don't know DP. I just don't know why I can't read her mafia. I think she can't be mafia with a lot of people after the VE/CC lynch. Especially not Jealous for example. Not with Rels. MZ would be unlikely as he really wanted me to lynch her. Only iamp is left. And 1 our of Palmar/JAT. And I do not think iamp is mafia. So then it is CC/JAT and who? Also Palmar? Why is jealous town? Or dmb? Jealous could be mafia with who? CC who he is pushing 24/7? Rels? not really after tonight. So MZ? Ok I think that is possible. Then what? I keep ending up on Palmar/JAT. But you 2 refuse to read each other mafia. Palmar did it a little bit but it felt fake as fuck tbh. He just divided his own wagon between you 2 and then you 2 did the work and tried to push us off you. Why are you not weirded out that Palmar breaks up his own wagon and gets 4 votes on you. Why were you not at least a bit suspicious of Palmar after VE flip? You read some filters now and it all sounds like you read it for the first time. So why were you not more wary of Palmar before? I do not understand. I was not wary of Palmar because I trust marvs read. Thought that was obvious. Well. We will see endgame. We haven't played since long and maybe you tell the truth. I simply do not believe it. What I do believe is that you are mafia and that you forgot that you needed to have scumreads at the ready. And that a flip changes things around. I am upset that both you and Palmar didn't show brainactivity in your PoE list after the VE list. I find it super sus. I gave you guys an entire day to do shit and read each other. It was subpar and it felt mafia buddies gaining towncred and then pushing votes off each other as soon as I saw that Jealous/Rels/dmb shit. Well, we can be lucky that we can afford a mislynch on one of us if this is how you want to act. I just hope you get your shit together afterwards.
That's why I want you alive and not Palmar. I might trust you tomorrow. I will never trust Palmar this game.
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The only other team possible is somewhere Jealous/Rels/MZ.
If DP/Vivax/iamp trust Palmar/JAT
I would lynch there.
CC does not fit within those 3 names because they all 3 bussed CC then.
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On March 15 2024 06:37 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
The only other team possible is somewhere Jealous/Rels/MZ.
If DP/Vivax/iamp trust Palmar/JAT
I would lynch there.
CC does not fit within those 3 names because they all 3 bussed CC then. Mz and Rels also hard defended her at times. Rels is particularly egregious he bussed her when it didn’t matter and saved her when it did.
On March 12 2024 09:49 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
CopCake (7): Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, Vivax, die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, DarthPunk, iamperfection, CopCake, die_meatbaby, Vivax
VisceraEyes (6): Rels, Justanothertownie, Koshi, Palmar, Vivax, iamperfection, Meapak_Ziphh, DarthPunk, Vivax, VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Vivax, Vivax
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, CopCake
Jealous (0): Vivax
DarthPunk (0): Vivax
With 7 votes, CopCake is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Mar 12 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Oh you are right. Well if you can convince them cake is also fine.
But if town, I just yell my names tomorrow and wont do anything else.
But it is very fair you guys would go Rels/MZ/Jealous/CC
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It's the other team possible.
But I had it with Palmar and JAT.
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ofc not. I am not reading anymore.
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iamp dp and vivax you are sure? I cant chnage anymore.
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Superscummers JAT and Palmar win
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I sure hope its the other team.
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Hope you find some peace and rest CC.
This thread mistreated you.
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Did TTS gzt invited by dp? Or do they know each other?
Maybe mafia didbt make a mistake not blocking dp then.
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Vivax you did a terrible thing.
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MZ is mafia.
Jealous is mafia.
I dont know about the third but I was wrong on Palmar and JAT most likely.
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If DP and TTS are friends I can see that kill happen. Since then DP pushed mafia agenda 24/7.
He showed face around Palmar coming back in the thread once.
MZ and his dmb read doesnt sit well.
Jealous is just mafia.
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On March 16 2024 10:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:18 Koshi wrote:
Did TTS gzt invited by dp? Or do they know each other?
Maybe mafia didbt make a mistake not blocking dp then. I invited everyone in my MS game to play this game. I posted a link. We do not know eachother.
Ok. Then I am maybe wrong
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On March 16 2024 10:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:23 Koshi wrote:
MZ is mafia.
Jealous is mafia.
I dont know about the third but I was wrong on Palmar and JAT most likely. Can you explain your turn around on your MZ town read a bit.
When we were allies he tried to corrupt me.
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On March 16 2024 10:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:23 Koshi wrote:
MZ is mafia.
Jealous is mafia.
I dont know about the third but I was wrong on Palmar and JAT most likely. Why did you change your read on Palmar? Hate what I saw yesterday from him. Very opportunistic change of read on me, ready to jump on anyone, jat, me, copcake
Because I stpped away from the JAT/Palmar scumteam and I am trusting JAT and DP as they have a strong tr on Palmar. If one of those is mafiabit still makes sense he is town.
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On March 16 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:Quoting myself from yesterday: Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do. That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that. Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them". Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv
I cant decide between the JAT/Palmar and the Jealous/MZ option.
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On March 16 2024 10:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:32 Koshi wrote:On March 16 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:Quoting myself from yesterday: On March 15 2024 10:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 07:09 Palmar wrote:
I mean there's like 5 good reasons to lynch CC if we wanna go down that road
1) She has been caught making clear contradictions at least twice in the game
2) She is martyring, which should be a policy lynch
3) Koshi made a towncase on her
4) DP, my brother, my captain, my king
I figured I'd have more so 4 will do. That's also a post I hated when I reread Palmar. That's what I meant when I said he would be ready to lynch anyone. Ready to lynch JAT, me, CC. It's like he's fishing for an out On March 15 2024 10:32 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 23:31 Palmar wrote:
Maybe, I honestly don't know. I can't remember how excitable Rels is in games, it'd be a pure tone read and I feel like I have better things to read him on. "better things"? Palmar like spent the last days listing a bunch of stuff and calling me conf town. Now he scumread me because of one single point On March 15 2024 10:30 Rels wrote:On March 14 2024 21:09 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 21:01 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 21:00 DarthPunk wrote:
You gone? I’m off to bed then.
Well the call needs to be made. I think I'll lynch any into cc, jat, rels at this point. I’m fine with all of those. We should probably lynch whoever is least likely to survive over yourself though. I kinda don't think I'm in any real danger of dying. I feel like if there is one town in MZ and Rels they will be forced to reconsider their opinion on me as the day goes on, and I almost can't believe iamp would stick with his vote on me. I just really, really want to hit mafia today. It's gonna make my life so much easier, and it's going to be hard and I'm probably going to have to be on the forefront of the wagon targeting said mafia. And I really, really don't want to mislynch a townie and have to deal with the bullshit fallout of that. Also really don't like that post. It just sets up "MZ and Rels has to townread me now, if they don't I can push them". Very similar to the thing that happened D1 where he got surprised at marv not townreading him while hard scumreading marv I cant decide between the JAT/Palmar and the Jealous/MZ option. Why are those linked together though?
Because I think Palmar and JAT wouldnt play like they do if they were opposite allignments.
And then I have to look elsewhere and there arent many other players left.
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Best lynch tomorrow is probably MZ. But w.e
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Or not. I really dont know.
His CC townread after VE/CC might have been a real thing.
But to instantly start to sus players thinking CC mafia during tge entire day. Big meh.
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On March 16 2024 10:46 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:45 Koshi wrote:
Or not. I really dont know.
His CC townread after VE/CC might have been a real thing.
But to instantly start to sus players thinking CC mafia during tge entire day. Big meh. What's that?
He was on CC. Begged me to look into her etc.
Then he changed after CC/VE lynch with that big train of thought post.
Then he made some comments against me and I think otherd for considering CC as mafia.
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On March 15 2024 00:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:
I do not believe iamp is mafia
But CC/MZ/JAT
I kinda like it in a world Palmar isnt mafia. I'm having a hard time seeing that world, but I'm more worried about you starting to see CC as mafia again, have you not read any of her posts this cycle?
The rest isnt as obvious. But for example he pushes you (Rels) for voting CC.
But his filter checks out that he started reading CC town so..... I dont know.
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Oh. And the biggest thing on MZ is still his halleluyah moment on Oats.
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Brilliant play by mafia. Truly insane performance. Bravo!
Thank you Grack and Artanis for hosting.
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