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On December 17 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote:
Holy shit, if HF is mafia he is on another level. His narrative sounds super genuine right now.
If Palmar is ever town I can see it being dmb and ... Slam?
Not used to playing with godlike mafia so can't wrap my head around HF or even rayn tbh
Almost psychopathic in its calmness, one might say
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On December 17 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 23:02 marvellosity wrote:On December 17 2023 22:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 17 2023 22:46 marvellosity wrote:
Like I’m certain palmar is town, DMB.
So your crusade on him doesn’t fill me with joy. Okey i am mafia because i don´t just jump on an wagon that somebody constructed. I have my own opinion on who is scum and i am still sure it´s Palmar. So thats every good reason from you. Sorry that I just not go with your scum thoughts and rather follow my own thoughts. (but i like the HF scum idea(with Palmar)) Sorry next game I will just follow somebody´s scum thoughts like mafia does. You know, one of the key skills of a townplayer is following another townplayer when they are right. It only takes 1 townie to find a mafia. But it takes a whole bunch of townies to actually lynch the mafia. and i was on the vivax lynch until you could see the emtions coming when he was under pressure and tried to chance that lynch with dp together. Palmar is since D1 my nr.1 scumread and i will not get that from my head out. But still I was goeing with the chez lynch
So you agreed with me right up until after I had gone to sleep and Vivax actually started playing? You have to remember that Vivax' filter WAS terrible when I was jackhammering him, and you agreed.
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On December 17 2023 23:20 Holyflare wrote:
If you want to know why I think Palmar is mafia I think you just look at what he's doing over a large span of time rather than individual posts and arguing over semantics. I think his world view is not narrowing, it's expanding. He listed 3 town reads for example, one of them being DMB, and yet has simultaneously thrown out things like "DMB has not really mentioned HF" and "oh, what about DMB?" etc etc. His read on you is ??? he purports a town read but it's basically a null. His view on rayn? Who knows, he makes it seem like he doesn't have one. I don't think there's really anyone in the game that you can say Palmar has a definitive outlook on. Slam is now someone who should get vigged, which is blatantly just a catchphrase at this point because it's obvious we don't have a vig so it's just empty words.
This is just wrong, I have made my reads clear on pretty much anyone. Of course I'm town so I don't actually know so some of them are not "100% town never lynching" reads.
You mentioned my town reads, which I assume would be dmb, slam and trfel.
You completely ignored that I had a discussion with rayn and specifically posted that I don't think he's scum.
On December 17 2023 10:07 Palmar wrote:
For the rest of the thread.. I kinda don't think rayn is mafia. This has been too good.
I'm ready to get hurt again baby.
I also said that I think sandroba may still be mafia but I'd back off simply to sheep marv:
On December 17 2023 10:04 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:but then again i dont really think sandroba is mafia  I kinda could see him be one, I'm mostly just backing off him because I'm sheeping marv.
And yes, marv is a null read, I'll give you that. But that's ONE player that I don't have an opinion on. I even mentioned that it didn't really matter because I wasn't going to deal with that right now.
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On December 17 2023 23:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 23:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 17 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
Tbh talk about what you like HF - I will read anything with an open mind.
Right this second I want DMB to not afk when I am trying to force her into something. i am not afk i am diving into hf filter a and trying to get a reasonable scum team without Palmar First - convince me of your palmar read please. If you think he is mafia since d1 you should be able to talk about those reasons easily and freely, no?
On December 10 2023 21:14 Palmar wrote:
Ignoring marv for the timelesss strategy of just murdering him if he doesn’t deliver me mafia.
Fist why do you have to find mafia and if not you are mafia. What kind of statement is that? Feels like he knows you Town and if you are Town we all know you are strong Town same as DP. Thats a reason why DP is nk1
On December 11 2023 02:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 02:04 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:27 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a take on Sandros posts?
My take is that he is supposedly saying he finds something alignment indicative in Slam's posting, doesn't tell what that is or which way in his opinion it points towards, but somehow Trfel is supposed to(?) do that. He did say exactly what he found alignment indicative. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
I actually hard agree with liking that by Sandroba, which is why it's so disappointing he doesn't come out with a favorable opinion. He literally ended the sentence with "again, not very telling".  yeah that's kinda my point he liked something, but then just talked himself into not committing to the like. I do like that post from slam and I do think it makes him 100% confirmed town.
How can you be sure that somebody is 100% town before there was even a lynch. Just trying to be save with the strong Townplayers. Because you and Slam are strong Town players.
On December 11 2023 10:24 Palmar wrote:
Vivax’s filter is terrible lol
Just getting Town suspicious about Vivax. He waited with the bigger post, because first he wanted to see how Town is about the Vivax scum thought.
On December 11 2023 10:33 Palmar wrote:
I’m serious about this. If you can get through Vivax’ filter thinking he’s town I have no hope for you.
the ego princess is screaming: Come on Town jump on my train or you may be looking scum....
On December 12 2023 00:23 Palmar wrote:Palmar's guide to lynching Vivax Why we should lynch VivaxThe case has been made pretty well by more people than me. The gist of it is that his early filter simply doesn't look like he's actually trying to solve the game. He's just floating along and asking boring questions. a particularly egregious one is this one: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:29 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax, Koshi, chez, sandro, meatbaby and palmar is a good list of LHF to get through for the time being. Maybe throw in a rayn in there but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Palmar and rayn probably the weakest in being in this list so will see what they get up to while I work throw the others. Why this phrasing. Like... who cares dude? How is this a thing? Then there's all the commentary on the thread "Palmar seems sure of himself" (no shit?), "rayn doesn't look eager for conclusions." Some random questions to random people with no appearance of any kind of critical thread he's chasing. I'm not gonna make a massive case because the essence is pretty much this: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote:
Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once.
We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 04:33 Koshi wrote:
Vivax try to be slightly more fun. I would love you to not be mafia but you are painful to read. Like I honestly can't think of a more deserving day 1 lynch. Also for people who think "blue hunting" is a thing: Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 11 2023 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB thoughts on Vivax?
Usually you are the first one to want to kill him with fire as soon as he looks at you a bit funny. The problem is he looks so fucking scummy right now but i am not sure if i miss a blue point here. Defently not so green, but not worth a vote (for now) Which it obviously isn't and thinking this way is a very bad way of playing the game, Vivax already claimed VT so who cares. I have some reasons not to lynch all the other candidates (well maybe not sandroba, but whatever). Marv and HF will reveal themselves to be mafia if they are, and Chez would just be a default lynch if we had no options. Vivax is objectively the best lynch because I can't think of a single reason to keep him alive... How we should lynch VivaxIf you're town your vote should be on Vivax and because of the weird deadline we should be incredibly resistant to shenanigans. If we last minute derail the lynch the chances are going down the drain we hit mafia AND it will reduce the information we have from the voting, even if I'm wrong (I'm not). The reason we lose information is that bunch of people will be sleeping at the deadline and thus cannot commit one way or another in any last minute vote train. If you don't agree with killing Vivax you need to present your findings as soon as possible, there really isn't that much left in the day. We don't need Rambo players in this town going after their own lynch. You're only allowed to be town and not vote Vivax if you can make the case that he isn't mafia. Just making a case one someone else (like DP on Marv) isn't enough. This isn't about bragging rights, it's about maintaining control. Also the first person who talks about the wagon being too easy should be shot. What Vivax's death meansThis is the hard part. If he flips mafia we get a bunch of good information. If he is mafia his friends have long since thrown him under the bus. Don't expect to find mafia in the resistance to the Vivax mafia lynch. If he flips town it's more likely to find mafia in the resistance, but probably among the less vocal resistance. People who seem unsure or claim to be happy to lynch Vivax but maybe want to lynch someone else? Those are the people you need to focus on. People who blindly sheep the case or do it because they genuinely believe in it are more likely to be town, regardless of alignment. Remember of course to only use the information up to this post, as I've just told the mafia how to appear town :D Honestly even if Vivax flips town I don't think I need to reconsider my list of people all that much. There's still people who are following the case in a townie way and scummy way.
Why is he waiting this long to explain why we should lynch vivax? Easy he wanted to see how Town thinks of this scum read on vivax without explanation. In between this time a view people already agreed on that vivax scum read and telling why that would make sense. He just connected the reasons why everbody thought vivax is mafia and made that bigger post up there.
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you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there
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On December 17 2023 09:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2023 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 17 2023 09:36 Palmar wrote:
Yeah, your reads are based more on voting and actions and less on feel, tone and intuition, but the results are the same.
So we just lynch HF? I dont wanna do that right now because he was the only person being reasonable with me last night (lol) when noone else was. I can do whatever i want tomorrow. Do you have a case on him? I know my case is considered irrelevant for everyone else in the game already. As I said, I don't really. The points I have against him right now are: 1) He did very little early in the game. He was at the bottom of my "people who did shit on day 1" list outside of chez/slam 2) I genuinely expected HF to get into a massive argument with me on night 1 for being wrong on Vivax. 3) Like I've accused you of, I don't think he has changed any hearts and minds in this town.
1) So?
2) Can you elaborate on why I should have found you mafia? What specifically should I have found you mafia for?
3) What hearts or minds was I supposed to change? People who I think should have died have generally died.
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Or - as I explained very succinctly before - he decided to filter Vivax, saw it was terrible, called him mafia, then made a bigger post later to try to secure his scumread lynch.
Why is your version of events the more likely one here, DMB?
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On December 18 2023 00:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there
Why are you pretending like nobody in this game reads palmar as mafia and you're the only one fighting an uphill battle? Why have you never voted palmar?
Who is mafia with palmar?
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On December 18 2023 00:25 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 00:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there Why are you pretending like nobody in this game reads palmar as mafia and you're the only one fighting an uphill battle? Why have you never voted palmar? Who is mafia with palmar?
There a people NOW who are thinking of him as scum, but not after the first lynch. I was alone with my thoughts there.
I never votet on Palmar because it would just be a useless vote.
First vote i need to safe vivax. (altough we missed one vote to safe him)
Second 10 votes on chez... 1 vote on Palmar will chance the lynch... yeah..
I most likley think it would be Trfel or you!
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On December 18 2023 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
Or - as I explained very succinctly before - he decided to filter Vivax, saw it was terrible, called him mafia, then made a bigger post later to try to secure his scumread lynch.
Why is your version of events the more likely one here, DMB?
when you read his old scum games you can see it would not be the first time that he doeing stuff like that.
Liar Game Mini Mafia he did the same thing. Calling a lynch on VE and then getting Townreads and nobody suspect him anymore exepet after a few misslynch then Town rethinking all their reads and he finally got lynched D6
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On December 18 2023 00:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2023 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
Or - as I explained very succinctly before - he decided to filter Vivax, saw it was terrible, called him mafia, then made a bigger post later to try to secure his scumread lynch.
Why is your version of events the more likely one here, DMB? when you read his old scum games you can see it would not be the first time that he doeing stuff like that. Liar Game Mini Mafia he did the same thing. Calling a lynch on VE and then getting Townreads and nobody suspect him anymore exepet after a few misslynch then Town rethinking all their reads and he finally got lynched D6
The problem is, you’re not comparing it with how he might play as town, you’re just fitting something to your narrative.
Bet you any amount of money you like you can find him leading a lynch and getting townreads in his towngames too.
So why aren’t you considering that option?
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If you’re town, DMB, I need to understand that you are attempting to actually discern his alignment, rather than just fitting everything to a scum narrative. The argument I just responded to above is particularly weak.
Like - you are saying a player who leads a lynch and gets townreads is scummy. It’s an absurd stance because obviously this happens to townies. Much More often...
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On December 18 2023 00:08 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 02:15 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 02:04 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 01:27 Vivax wrote:
Do you have a take on Sandros posts?
My take is that he is supposedly saying he finds something alignment indicative in Slam's posting, doesn't tell what that is or which way in his opinion it points towards, but somehow Trfel is supposed to(?) do that. He did say exactly what he found alignment indicative. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
I actually hard agree with liking that by Sandroba, which is why it's so disappointing he doesn't come out with a favorable opinion. He literally ended the sentence with "again, not very telling". yeah that's kinda my point he liked something, but then just talked himself into not committing to the like. I do like that post from slam and I do think it makes him 100% confirmed town. How can you be sure that somebody is 100% town before there was even a lynch. Just trying to be save with the strong Townplayers. Because you and Slam are strong Town players.
Btw this is the kind of shot why I don’t wanna lynch dmb. It’s just so stupid it’s hard for me to believe mafia.
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Also Liar game was multiple faction mafia so I could just scumhunt. And it had a day voting/town leading mechanism if I remember correctly. It’s a completely different beast to this one.
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On December 18 2023 00:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
Vote: Palmar
If you’re town this is a losing vote
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I'm not lynching HF today. I'm cool with Palmar or DMB. I don't think HF mafia / Palmar town Koshi is the NK. What for? If HF town / Palmar mafia makes complete sense, if both town, sure, but hard to figure out who would benefit from that as mafia besides DMB. But as HF mafia / Palmar town it's just flat out stupid. I'm not going to operate under the assumption HF is just dumb.
I don't really buy Palmar's DMB read, marv's read or even my read. He is just leaving too many doors open and if we are looking at actions when mafia is involved, Palmar is at least as bad as HF if not more. HF at least said Chez was mafia but refused to vote him (hard to believe he does it as mafia), while Palmar pretty much avoided talking about it completely and clumped him together with Slam (much more likely mafia does this).
Now I have some time, I'll read a couple HF past games for comparison.
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On December 18 2023 00:16 die_meatbaby wrote:
you guys can tell me I am paranoid about palmar beeing mafia but that it just an insane mafia play right there
I need you to pull head out of ass here if you’re town. If my game is so insane why did you find out so easily and on such trivial things? You keep quoting an 11 year old game with completely different mechanics.
I know you’re not going to listen to me but maybe listen to the people who actually have an understanding of how I play this game?
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Idk maybe dmb is just mafia. That would make the game simpler.
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On December 18 2023 01:19 marvellosity wrote:If you’re town this is a losing vote
Okey then who should get voted?? who is your scumteam thought?
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