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Grackaroni
United States9835 Posts
Palmar (2): sandroba, Holyflare Holyflare (2): marvellosity, Palmar die_meatbaby (1): Trfel Not Voting (3): die_meatbaby, raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam With 2 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Monday, Dec 18 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:02 marvellosity wrote: You know, one of the key skills of a townplayer is following another townplayer when they are right. It only takes 1 townie to find a mafia. But it takes a whole bunch of townies to actually lynch the mafia. and i was on the vivax lynch until you could see the emtions coming when he was under pressure and tried to chance that lynch with dp together. Palmar is since D1 my nr.1 scumread and i will not get that from my head out. But still I was goeing with the chez lynch | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:09 die_meatbaby wrote: and i was on the vivax lynch until you could see the emtions coming when he was under pressure and tried to chance that lynch with dp together. Palmar is since D1 my nr.1 scumread and i will not get that from my head out. But still I was goeing with the chez lynch Talk to me properly about Palmar please. As you have seen, not just from this game, sticking to a scumread for a whole game is a recipe for disaster if you don’t update it. Where would we be if I didn’t come off sandro d2? Even though I wasn’t totally sure I should? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 17 2023 22:38 marvellosity wrote: This mason thing is a good example. I understand and read what you posted. But actually nothing that you posted should have totally overturned HFs read on palmar. It wasn’t so different to what palmar said, it’s just a matter of perspective. When I read your summary, sandro, this is what I thought - Palmar is still behaving like Palmar, and maybe his report on your chat is just born out of his scumread in you. Palmar will have known you’d post your version at some point, it’s not like he was the only one who could summarise the chat. None of the mason chat overturned my view of palmar. The state of the game and what people are pushing is what overturned my read on palmar. I think he's just in the periphery of the game, commenting on it and following thread sentiment while affecting no real change. I get that you think I'm mafia because I'm not pushing X world view or tunneling Y townie but that's not really how I play anymore, I am a way more co-operative player now and I just try and find townies and then solve through the PoE. I think I've managed to do that this game. I don't have the investment, or real inclination to want to push my view on anymore, I just haven't felt the care to do it. If I have to I will (and it looks like I might have to) but I don't want to put in the effort knowing that quite a few people will brush it aside as "oh, HF can do this effort as mafia too so it doesn't mean much". I also get that trying to get Palmar lynched is a tough task and it's why I haven't really brought it up. If my ultimate goal today was to get Palmar lynched by doing nothing, do you think Koshi would be dead lol? Not a chance. I haven't even pushed that world view. NKA is a waste of most people's time. I want to fight for a lynch that I want but I also don't want to put the effort in to get that. If you want to know why I think Palmar is mafia I think you just look at what he's doing over a large span of time rather than individual posts and arguing over semantics. I think his world view is not narrowing, it's expanding. He listed 3 town reads for example, one of them being DMB, and yet has simultaneously thrown out things like "DMB has not really mentioned HF" and "oh, what about DMB?" etc etc. His read on you is ??? he purports a town read but it's basically a null. His view on rayn? Who knows, he makes it seem like he doesn't have one. I don't think there's really anyone in the game that you can say Palmar has a definitive outlook on. Slam is now someone who should get vigged, which is blatantly just a catchphrase at this point because it's obvious we don't have a vig so it's just empty words. There's also the association between DMB and Palmar which you can agree or disagree on I don't really care. You should know better that I would fight tooth and nail as mafia than I currently am. I'm just apathetic as a townie. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
To be honest, I don’t know why this is, and I also don’t want to ask him, because I don’t think he wants to answer. I think Palmar has his own personal reasons for doing that. That’s not how he approaches me if he’s mafia, not a chance. It’s too random and specific a play. Mafia just don’t do that. Because he’s not mafia. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
I also don't think it's scummy to town read a Palmar who got a vivax killed when I also thought Vivax was mafia, saw the same things and was fine going to bed with that world view. I think what Palmar posted after that lynch was vindicating enough from someone that did wrong to try and correct their mistake and look for the people that were apathetic to the vivax wagon and search there. Those are all fine actions and primarily why I town read him. I don't think I would really think otherwise. Why would I crusade for his wagon and call him mafia there ordinarily? What about how that went down was a bad look for Palmar that I should have picked up on and pushed? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:25 Holyflare wrote: How many times have you heard mention of "Maybe it's just HF because he town read me" from Palmar? I would wager a shit tonne, because he has spent the whole game saying it and not even caring about it. That's not a town Palmar. I also don't think it's scummy to town read a Palmar who got a vivax killed when I also thought Vivax was mafia, saw the same things and was fine going to bed with that world view. I think what Palmar posted after that lynch was vindicating enough from someone that did wrong to try and correct their mistake and look for the people that were apathetic to the vivax wagon and search there. Those are all fine actions and primarily why I town read him. I don't think I would really think otherwise. Why would I crusade for his wagon and call him mafia there ordinarily? What about how that went down was a bad look for Palmar that I should have picked up on and pushed? So he’s mafia because he didn’t hard push you? Or? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:24 marvellosity wrote: Palmar has been very specific that he is treating me as a null read until lylo forces his hand. To be honest, I don’t know why this is, and I also don’t want to ask him, because I don’t think he wants to answer. I think Palmar has his own personal reasons for doing that. That’s not how he approaches me if he’s mafia, not a chance. It’s too random and specific a play. Mafia just don’t do that. Because he’s not mafia. And you can keep repeating that and maybe it is true and if it is then we are all looking in the wrong place for mafia. I just don't think it is and I think he's keeping you at arm's length to kill you off and not make you look in his direction. So it is what it is, we both have views we're adamant about and I won't change mine without useful information on what he's done that isn't very your situation specific and you won't change yours. We achieve nothing here. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:27 marvellosity wrote: So he’s mafia because he didn’t hard push you? Or? He's mafia because he has done nothing appreciable after the vivax lynch. Pushing me at whatever juncture is by the by. I think him not pushing me here to any meaningful extent probably makes him mafia yeah. He resorts to his catchphrases of the not scum reading him and the not pushing stuff but hasn't given me the benefit of the doubt of reading me like he has other people because it's not in his best interest to do so because I'm one of the few options he has left. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:27 Holyflare wrote: And you can keep repeating that and maybe it is true and if it is then we are all looking in the wrong place for mafia. I just don't think it is and I think he's keeping you at arm's length to kill you off and not make you look in his direction. So it is what it is, we both have views we're adamant about and I won't change mine without useful information on what he's done that isn't very your situation specific and you won't change yours. We achieve nothing here. Also, I haven’t said this line of reasoning once — it’s the first time. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:29 marvellosity wrote: Also, I haven’t said this line of reasoning once — it’s the first time. It's semantics, I think he's more than capable of knowing how you'd react to a given read on you given the situations this game but, again, it's a waste of time talking about it. I'm more than happy to look into other people if you wanna talk about them if you're 1000% certain palmar is town. I don't care about being wrong on mafia reads. I want to clear other people if we can. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:31 Holyflare wrote: It's semantics, I think he's more than capable of knowing how you'd react to a given read on you given the situations this game but, again, it's a waste of time talking about it. I'm more than happy to look into other people if you wanna talk about them if you're 1000% certain palmar is town. I don't care about being wrong on mafia reads. I want to clear other people if we can. Well, you know exactly what I think from the last few pages. Who could be mafia and who I think could not. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 17 2023 22:30 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is town. I’ve 180d on rayn again and I think he’s town. I think sandroba is town. Mafia just sits in the rest. Slam probably unlynchable today if it’s him. So between Trfel and DMB. That’s what I’m going to need to try to magic the time up to figure out. Quoting this for when I get in later | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Right this second I want DMB to not afk when I am trying to force her into something. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
If Palmar is ever town I can see it being dmb and ... Slam? Not used to playing with godlike mafia so can't wrap my head around HF or even rayn tbh | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:37 sandroba wrote: Holy shit, if HF is mafia he is on another level. His narrative sounds super genuine right now. If Palmar is ever town I can see it being dmb and ... Slam? Not used to playing with godlike mafia so can't wrap my head around HF or even rayn tbh Hf is the best scumplayer you will ever meet. I ended up on whatever the other site Hf played on after this one is. he bragged he had never lost a scumgame on that site That’s the level you’re looking at | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:39 marvellosity wrote: Hf is the best scumplayer you will ever meet. I ended up on whatever the other site Hf played on after this one is. he bragged he had never lost a scumgame on that site That’s the level you’re looking at Not that it’s important, but it was some sort of champions games from a bunch of diffferent websites and that was part of hfs bio, the fact he had never lost as scum on that site | ||
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die_meatbaby
Colombia1344 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:35 marvellosity wrote: Tbh talk about what you like HF - I will read anything with an open mind. Right this second I want DMB to not afk when I am trying to force her into something. i am not afk i am diving into hf filter a and trying to get a reasonable scum team without Palmar | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On December 17 2023 23:40 die_meatbaby wrote: i am not afk i am diving into hf filter a and trying to get a reasonable scum team without Palmar First - convince me of your palmar read please. If you think he is mafia since d1 you should be able to talk about those reasons easily and freely, no? | ||
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