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On August 26 2023 12:49 JacobStrangelove wrote: There's something slightly odd about the cheese today. I feel like that's exactly what I would do if I was Maria. Was this a real read? If so can you be more specific? I've got my own thoughts, but want to know if we see this similarly. | ||
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On August 26 2023 16:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: Ahh I think dp only would respect a rule if it works in his favour aka if he was mafia. Otherwise he'll find any logic possible to bend it to his will. I think this is a solid read, but I'll vouch. I was kinda pushy that we leave the mafia game alone. I didn't read my role while there. While we both glanced at the thread, we were both committed to not starting the game until we parted ways. | ||
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I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow. I think typogate is dumb shit and should be buried. I have a very low opinion of that sort of line of questioning. It's scraping the lining from the bottom of the barrel in terms of scum-hunting, and you being on a phone, and being you, and f+r being right next to each other, and spell correct being a thing andandand it's just dumb kill it with fire. It's numerology-level analysis. | ||
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I think Chez is going through the motions really hard. He's someone who likes seeing how close to the sun he can fly, but his spiel is tired and remarks more on the deficiency of the AI image generation than the image itself or the game. Basically what I expect is that Chez will cleverly find some way to say something genuinely meaningful using the image as the medium that both challenges him to make the analogy work but also provides plausible deniability. That's not what I see this time. So I'm suspicious of Chez. | ||
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Vivax how does this not make sense? This seems really straightforward to me, and I expect you two to generally find it easier to be on each others wavelength given how well I expect you know each other. | ||
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How's Vivax's headspace? He seems like he's struggling really hard compared to Endures II. He was mafia that game, so maybe NAI. The contrast is stark. | ||
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I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on. | ||
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His misunderstanding assuming you were asking about the typo was NAI. His caring about the typo at all to begin with was poor play but I know plenty of the people here read into similar BS. His not understanding DMB was ??? His initial vote on Iamp was plausible as town opener although the reasoning was so bad it would have been better had he not given any reasons at all. This whole time, I was half expecting you to be too keen after the headpats I gave you (out of game) for nailing Iamp in august 1.1. I can see you being overeager to perform the same feat again catching scum in what feels like the first 10 minutes, and accidentally browbeating a hapless townie into paste. I don't think it's as locked down as you do. I'm guessing your confidence is 90+, mine is prob 60+. But he also passed one of my tests during that conversation. It might not be a good read, but based on his behaviour in Endures II, I expected him to fall into my wake if I offered him any form of protection. He reacted with hostility and pride which seems townier to me. | ||
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On August 27 2023 13:29 Vivax wrote: Imperfection doesn‘t make me mafia. I‘m the most open I could possibly be and you have seen that I employ more people-pleasing when I‘m scum. Or at work. In this case I‘m not cultivating my appearance. I just try to find the bits I‘m apparently missing and people who rolled the wrong role. And to me the best option is still my first vote in this game. Mmm but if you were aware of my read on you as people-pleasing as scum that actually hurts you sorry. | ||
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‘m the most open I could possibly be and you have seen that I employ more people-pleasing when I‘m scum. and that you were sus of the trap: That best friend in the moment thing sounds rather manipulative vulgo bullshite in the context of mafia. So I was too clumsy for this to be a useful way to read you, and that was one of my key reservations about your alignment. | ||
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On August 27 2023 14:56 JacobStrangelove wrote: So you think cheese will change their behaviour if a wagon runs up on them? It's never too early for idle threats! But I'll suffer the stagnation for a while. Can I ask why you're so pushy on Chez? It doesn't feel right to me. I'm not saying stop, I just don't understand why you in particular would be vibing this way considering your styles are so strategically similar (albeit cosmetically very different). | ||
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I expect quite a lot more D1 activity given how active everyone was last game. | ||
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He seems like the kind of player who enjoys playing scum. In Endures I, he blatantly led the mislynch D1 in all caps, reveling all the way. Like I get that he hasn't been active, and has failed to confirm himself town which (for reasons I'm unaware of) is apparently something he does a lot. But am I wrong to expect him not to cower or coast as red? | ||
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I'll be around 3-4 hours before deadline. | ||
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Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down. I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it. I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play. | ||
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On August 28 2023 08:25 iamperfection wrote: ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch. A good lynch in one where you have good reasons for thinking someone is red. I'm not convinced VE has given reasons for why VE is red (time-poor or struggling in terms of well-being maybe). As far as I'm aware, VE is the sort of person who enjoys playing as red, so redepression isn't a tell for VE. I'll go read his filter to make sure I'm not speaking out my arse, but I just don't see a real case other than lynch the lurker. | ||
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Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo. I don't have strong feels on mathenalin. IMO they're trying not to be the fish and this is natural for someone newer to the game. TBH I haven't really been keeping up with them and nothing super stood out thus far. | ||
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I'll go filter him now. | ||
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vanilla town Chez: Oh no I'm dying vanilla town Chez: Better make sure the blue role dies too | ||
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Looks like we will lynch the RL doctor to save a blue from getting lynched. Wait who's the RL doctor? Did I misread this as him throwing out a read that VE was blue? | ||
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@DP Name one game in the last five years in which I was confirmed town at this point in the game? You're being a bozo. I literally talked to you about this between games, that you think I'm somehow confirmed town D1, but I wasn't present D1 in endurance I, and in endurance II I basically sheeped you D1. Where does this "strong independent confirmed town D1" TTT myth come from? I've made it pretty clear I don't like D1 because it's a low information environment and so most of this is just a dance with no real conviction. I hate this so much from you. I'm pretty sure the last time I describe D1 to you it was that "it's cancer". You just don't make sense to me. There isn't a coherent worldview there when I know I've talked to you about this stuff. | ||
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you seemed town to me the last two games at this point. But not this time. I literally wasn't in the game in Endurance I, so actually you just made up half of that. | ||
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On August 28 2023 10:02 DarthPunk wrote: I don't care about what other people think about you day one or what you think of your self, I know that, to me, I generally don't want to lynch you and shield you from others even because I can see reasons that you are town. The past two games (this and the aborted version) I haven't seen that. There is no reason to protect you, or even not lynch you at this point. Mmmm I disagree. I think I've shown I can be useful later in the game, and I haven't shown I can be useful early in the game. I think you're also very confident you can catch me later on if I'm red. So in your position, killing TTT now removes town equity if town, and if TTT is red you will catch him later. I think you're being fullofshit right now. | ||
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On August 28 2023 10:08 DarthPunk wrote: Im counting day 2 as your day 1. pretty straight forward. That's stupid as hell. D1 means no information. There have been no lynches nobodies alignment has been confirmed. You know when making comparisons that this is what's important. Are you still standing by this? | ||
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On August 28 2023 10:16 DarthPunk wrote: Ok. what does that mean? will you do something about it. I am confident I can catch you if you are red, and the above are the reasons why I would think you are red. So what doesn't make sense about this? Do you stand by all of this stuff or are you just rapid posting chaos before lynch? | ||
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But yeah I'm pretty sure you're mafia if you're claiming to actually believe this stuff. | ||
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On August 28 2023 10:32 DarthPunk wrote: Ok, and you think I would only think this about you as mafia correct? What is the mafia motivation for this TTT? why not pocket you instead? What? No. It's just that you're wrong to think I can do both and that's why I didn't do both. | ||
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On August 28 2023 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote: This is what I meant. This is what makes you red. Town TTT would not do that. Town TTT would ignore this und would try to get everybody to go the his original suspect and don´t just suspect somebody who was suspecting him. This is definitely not a Town game you make here. Thats not TTT what i am used do DMB, everyone is already on my lynch. There is no need to refocus town because unless something changes, I get my way. Regarding the OMGUS, yes it is in a way, but it's not just that. Town DP doesn't do this. DP respects my late game after Endures I, he made up my aptitude in early game. Town DP does not think that "D1 is when you first post". Town DP does not give up town equity on a scaler over them not having proven themselves early in the game. You'll note I'm not filtering DP rn. I'm not making a huge war. I'm in a back and forth because I want to get him to take hard stances that he can't take back later if/when I actually go after him. | ||
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The only game you have as evidence I sheeped you because CC wasn't working out (and even that was something you were pushing before I was, but I feel my read was more independent). Literally sample size 1 and IMO it wasn't even a representative game because I could not get the lynch I wanted so was sheep devoid of agency. | ||
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This game, you're twisting reality to suit me being red. You treat D2 as D1 despite it being the biggest transition in the game. You treat you having an opinion on me as evidence in itself for your read ("I don't think you're town therefore you must be red"). You conveniently forget how much fire I was under in Endurance II, or for example, I had to tell you IRL that you had to treat me nicer in game, as it wasn't worth our friendship (you called me bad and I was feeling ultra sensitive). Why would you have the idea I need to be confirmed town by now or I'm red, if just last game you were umming and arring because of how "bad" I was? But that was D2 IIRC! I was still struggling D2 last game, to the point where I would have been lynched if someone remembered to vote. But this game, if I haven't confirmed myself town by D1 so I must be red. You swung from extreme levels of charity for me failing to do anything by D2, to trying to kill me D1 for the same thing. Nothing about you wants me to be town and given how well we've worked together these last couple games, I think you should. | ||
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Re: DP I'm not really into getting grilled by you when I don't feel you're good faith. The person I felt was reddest just flipped green, and I'm not allowed to say you're red, so like... kinda hard to answer anyway... | ||
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On August 28 2023 12:18 DarthPunk wrote: This is me hoping you are town ttt btw. I’m not going to push you for this whole night. I hope I can see something redeeming in how you approach the game with that space. sorry missed this I'm glad you're giving me space to breathe, thanks because I need it. But you know that this stuff was a read and not just me trying to OMGUS you right? As in, you extending olive branches after me calling you out for it, does not change the value of the read at the time. I have multiple good reasons to believe you were in confirmation mode when you have been the most hesitant player the last two games. A town DP gets stunlocked by the possibilities because he genuinely doesn't want to lynch town. What you did was discard reality (not just possibilities) in service to the lynch you thought was possible when DMB and Vivax presented you the opportunity. Your explanations were also weak. No take backsies. I'm gonna leave you alone for a while too though I will be filtering you at some point (among others who I'm behind on). | ||
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On August 28 2023 12:30 iamperfection wrote: why arn't you allowed to say he's red lol He asked me to assume that he's green, and if so, who's mafia. So basically I was in a position where if you asked this two hours ago if I had any reads I would be able to confidently say two names, but due to the timing and the specifics of the question I couldn't honestly give any reads that are fresh and I genuinely want to discuss. | ||
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I'm taking some time off the game. I asked to be replaced but that's hella unlikely to happen. This game feels like a chore to me where I'm getting blasted every time I try to engage with it. I understand why, but that doesn't help me want to play. I feel bad about this, but I think it's better than the alternative where I either pretend to be engaged or end up fighting people over stupid shit. gl | ||
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I think LS is town. don't understand or agree with his reasons for reading me green. But that thing where he brought heat down on himself unnecessarily didn't feel like something he would do as red. I think lynching him is another mistake. By vibe, I think Lamp is town, I just really really don't like his blustery playstyle and would prefer to eat razorblades than read his filter. I think he's bad town, but I think he's town. Trying to shut down conversation at the lynch of D1 in order to lynch Chez for no real stated reason makes me very dismissive of his approach to the game. I don't like Marv but haven't gone through filter, I'll go into reasons why when I'm back (I'm waiting on a pick-up that's already half-hour late). His misinterpretation of my post, then insistence that DP has it wrong is just wild considering he uses the exact same argument I made in his own defense, but insists after filter diving me twice that the interpretation where I'm scared of dying with only one vote on me while Chez has all of them is the better call. Delusional if town. I still don't like DP, but understand that basically my entire read on him relies on meta from outside the game and positionally I can never really hope to lynch him. If he denies what I've said regarding his selective forgetting of our RL conversations, he confirms to me that he's scum, but ultimately until I'm dead and confirmed town nobody will ever take it seriously because it's non-verifiable. | ||
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I said I'd go through reasons when I'm back but then stated the reason. I don't have more reasons in mind rn. gtg. | ||
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On August 30 2023 17:45 marvellosity wrote: I really don’t understand why anyone is suddenly sure TTT is town. Someone explain to me like I’m a toddler please. I don't think that's the case? I certainly don't feel trusted. LS aside who's sure I'm town? | ||
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I understand and agree somewhat, but don't feel it's enough to confirm him town. | ||
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I might have time to reconsider tomorrow morning before work, but prob not. | ||
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"We're not letting him get away with this, right guys?". I think that read by DP was too confident, and I'm not sure, but either DP didn't provide much reasoning for his Math crusade, or I didn't notice it as I read through. It seemed to me like DP's reasoning was weak (especially for DP, who's scum-hunting I respect), and he was more relying on other people filling in his blanks. But I've only read through the one time, so feel free to correct. That all said, I don't like Math's absence. Unless I missed their departure, they seemed to go from 100 to 0 by flicking a switch. I didn't feel he was under that much pressure, so it's probably just RL circumstance, but that's the biggest reason I don't like him. I'm not 100% confident on LS. I don't like his read on me, but I know he can be authentically arbitrary. I do think that it's weird how many votes are on him, especially since our mislynches (counting VE cos he was next) were all inactive or unproductive. Feels like scum aren't ambitious with their mislynches, just going for what's safe. And LS is lynchbait as town every time. The biggest reason I would vote LS is because of the comment Marv pointed out regarding a forced interaction but not being able to determine the direction of the force (it's a vector bro!). But this literally happened in Endurance II in a worse way and he was town. That aside, it feels exactly like D1, where I said the lynch felt like lazy LAL and Marv or Rayn or someone was up in arms over my TMI. Mmmm but now I go to change my vote to Math to save LS and I have reservations... If LS is red, I think scum don't take action to protect him. His life expectancy is limited to as soon as town feel lost, so they wouldn't expect him to be around in the end game. So if town have "caught" him rn, I fully expect there to be at least one scum on him. Before I go, Koshi's case on DP felt a bit empty. I only gave it a once over, but it felt like he was trying too hard to make the case fit. I haven't really paid much attention to Koshi all game, but this specifically didn't feel right to me. | ||
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New delusion just dropped... that town is winning... The score is actually six town down for one mafia assuming I'm lynched D3. I'm not going to try and convince anyone not to lynch me because I don't really want to be here and I don't see myself as very important to town given the amount of effort I'm willing to put in, but at the very least don't spend this time patting each other on the back for solving the game because I'm telling you now you're wrong. So IMO, lynch me, but don't play under the assumption I'm red with self-congratulatory connecto cases. When I flip, if I'm red, you can make all the connecto-cases you want. | ||
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Assuming Lamp is town, which was my default assumption before the public masturbation, town has mislynched Chez (which he celebrated), misvigged VE (which he celebrated), and correctly lynched the biggest lynchbait in TL history (which he seems to think guarantees town victory). Nothing that has been done was challenging or insightful. We just killed low contributors and got 1/3 (soon to be 1/4), and that one we did get was basically guaranteed to go down the moment town didn't have strong direction. I'm bent over backwards trying to understand his enthusiasm unless he's actually done something cool which would be trading in red vig for town status (in which case, yeah that's pretty cool). I'm not even really trying to convince anyone because I don't think I get to catch mastermind plays with so little effort, I just can't get past this nonsense it's like an attention trap. Someone tell me why I'm wrong please for the love of god. Are there setups with both red and green vig? | ||
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Marv why are you so confident in DP town? Seeing you two get along feels gutterally wrong. Your egos coexist in too small a space for there to be this little friction. How can anybody feel comfortable with this? | ||
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If I were medic, I'd flip a coin between Marv and DP. IMO Lamp is a bad save despite his insistence. Him trying to suck up the medic action is either pure mafioso or pure self-involvement (probably the latter judging from everyone's non-reaction to him). IMO, town is winning assuming DP and Marv are town. I think if they're both mafia, town is too boot-licker or too disengaged to take either down with the other one backing them up. And if one of them is mafia, I don't think the other one allows themselves to be pocketed (or if they do, I'm blaming the game loss squarely on them  PPP). If Rayne were around this math wouldn't work but his gameplan seems to be to get NKed every game lmao. So I think the only course is to assume (and hope) they are both town and move on from there. If this is the case, having them both this late into the game would be a big win. Last night I was trying to reduce the chance of their NK (I do think they're acting odd together, but not enough to base my whole worldview on it). This morning, I reconsidered this line because I don't think mafia care too much who I suspect given my small influence and disengagement. So I think we make it so that mafia can't confidently kill off these two players without risking their entire NK action. | ||
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I don't think you realise how dependent on try-hards the town economy is. | ||
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DP you have a pass but I'm not actually reading you either way. We're syncing up well on reads but your energy is weird. I would like to lynch JSL. His vibe has been off a while but now I think I've got a more solid read. Firstly, he's just wrong. DMB was a fine NK. There was a decent chance she was blue, and despite her difficulty in establishing thread presence, and her inactivity, she accelerates from zero real hard out of nowhere and has shown in Endurance II that she's very insightful when given time to cook. I think she has difficulty reading specifically me, but that's no biggie because my play has been high variance between games. Secondly and building off that, Jacob is never wrong. Never wrong wrong anyway. Jacob always always always hedges every bet to the extent he's got every base covered. When you add up all of the things he says they're supposed to add up to nothing by design. He's never very right but he's never wrong. He's so open-minded one must assume ample gyri or his brain would slip out his ear. For him to be judgemental about the DMB NK doesn't make sense because Jacob is just too chill for that. Jacob tell me you're not too chill for that? But this sort of thing does make sense to me for a jacob who just took a shot at DMB being blue, thinking it'll look stupid if he's wrong and then finding that to be the case. I don't really see why else he would end up talking about it because he's too nice by default to just randomly start sledging. At his core Jacob desparately wants everyone to get along. It's not like him to shit on DMB and the scum team simultaneously unless he feels pressured toward that sort of behaviour. | ||
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Lamp, I've been really upfront about my lack of contribution. I haven't pretended at all. I told everyone I'm not trying hard, I'm not F5ing, I'm not filtering. Nothing about my tone suggests I think I'm particularly useful. There is no pretending here. You are the one pretending, and that's been my issue with you the entire time. I just tried to get you NKed and even though you're "confirmed town" they thought NKing the AFK was a better use of their time. Despite you awarding yourself PotG, it doesn't seem like maf are too worried about you lol? "No pleeeasse medic me for having vigged a lurker N1 I'm super important" lmao | ||
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My bullying Lamp is recreational only. I don't think he's scum because I'm the only one reacting to it which means this is how people expect him to be. I just think it makes the game worse when on top of having to sift through the lies of the red team we have to sift through the self-promoting delusion of the green. When I was tossing up about whether to get modkilled, I asked myself what allowances I would make in order to actually play. One of those allowances was that I would stop self-regulating my responses to dumb shit (I actually think in this case it was making me play worse, when normally it's good to keep town on track). TBH, I was expecting to be having a go at more people (Marv, Koshi, Rayne if he'd still been alive) but they simmered down. | ||
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I'm more confident of my read on JSL and would prefer them to be lynched first, but Koshi would be next. I just feel like JSL doesn't require filtering, whereas I haven't really followed the case on Koshi and am mostly going off of the shift in tone from early to later (he was annoyingly chipper early on, but that has well and truly been stomped out of him), the desperate tone of his case on DP, along with the lack of substance I felt from said case given he pushed it out in five parts. It felt like he wanted to be able to say he'd written a five-part case, but the case didn't warrant that magnitude and by the end I was kind of confused why he wrote it in the first place. So I want JSL over Koshi, I'm a lot more involved with it, but so long as they both go down I don't mind. | ||
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From my limited perspective, he came in with a gimmick of wanting to hurrycurry to give himself more meta range. That doesn't work if he does it as red. But if you guys agree with each other it's more than that I'm down. | ||
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It's very weird right? | ||
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My giving you a pass is one part knowing I'm tilted as shit, and two parts knowing I couldn't lynch you if I wanted to. I'm not confirming you town and you shouldn't claim otherwise. But of all the people we could lynch, you're pretty far down my list anyway because I feel good about Jacob and Koshi and there are two AFKs that probably need to pipe up too before I tunnel one of the two town leaders. | ||
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It's a lot of personal stuff that isn't really verifiable and tbh I'd have to go back and reread the initial incident to give exact details anyway. The main thing when he was drilling me was the complete lack of hesitation. In Endurance II I was town and he wanted to lynch me but was tearing himself apart over it so bad I felt like scum. I didn't really have any reads beyond CC iirc (I don't remember the exact point), and he felt that it was unlike me not to have contributed much (same tune as this game). But he was so anxious about being the person that led a mislynch he couldn't do it. He also did similar things to other players, not just me. He was a mess, and I leaned into it as town to survive, much like I eventually did this game. But this game, it was more forced because I put him in an awkward position when I flipped because then all the personal shit I said, the references to personal conversations etc., they came from a confirmed town. So to me, him eventually giving me some charity was something I had to twist his arm to do if he wanted to not be shot to shit after I went down. One example of a conversation he conveniently forgot in order to suspect me, was one where I had corrected his misremembering of Endurance II. He thought that I'd been pretty solid the whole way through, but in fact, I was almost dying the entire time and only survived one lynch because someone (I believe Slam) forgot to vote. DP acknowledged he'd misremembered it, but then completely erased this from his memory in order to bludgeon me with "you should have contributed by now". So both DMB and DP feel I should do better because of E1, and sort of ignored E2, but DP should know better because I know I've already told him. More recently, when he described how I set myself parameters, this felt placatory, like I was being Forer'd. I do happen to agree somewhat with the assessment overall, but it wasn't specific enough and didn't really feel like it was an alignment indicative read. He said as scum I'd sacrifice win percent in order to win the way I want. This is true, but I do that as town too. Hell rn I'm not filter diving and I'm flaming idiots. These parametres arose as town organically as a way to keep myself posting. But I go into every game with some idea of how I want to play before I read my role. So he felt too eager to lynch me early, and too eager to forgive me later. I expect myself to be pretty biased given I was attacked by someone I feel should have every reason not to (team straya has done real well for ourselves these last two games by finding a way to verify and trust each other), so take it with a pinch of salt. I don't trust myself to be objective about it so I'm comparmentalising to a pathological degree. | ||
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When he list-posted, I felt reassured because it lined up real good. DP is somewhat correct in that we see stuff in similar ways, albeit we often take different paths to getting there. I've kept a fairly tight handle on where I was at up until today regarding both JSL and Koshi, and he basically started questioning his DMB read at exactly the same time as I did. To you this probably doesn't mean much because it's all post hoc, but I'll say it anyway because it's true: While his congruence between this game and IRL is poor, his take is basically where I'd expect it if he were town with the exception of you. Also DP listens to a lot of shit he's not really interested in and smiles and nods, so that incongruence is explainable by DP being shit although it's still a bit much given how he articulated the answer. It's possible he just forgot it though :shrug: | ||
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After Koshi, unless there's a drastic turn, I want JSL before anyone else. I'm not sure why DP is acting as if that hateful disrespect post from JSL was anything less than a signed confession, but it's going to take a lot for me to consider anyone above them. | ||
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Math I remember making one terrible terrible bad post very early on, but otherwise haven't paid much attention. The one that Vivax thought was a bussing. | ||
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Him calling her shot stupid makes you emotional because ____? | ||
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Nope he's red. | ||
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Is it still a townslip if we assume mafia QT is dead? | ||
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I don't buy that him being like that was a trap. As if Scum DP would ever fall for that? Why would Jakey ever think that? Re: The Lamp assumption Is it really that cut and dry who was getting lynched? I haven't been late game as mafia, but to me it wasn't clear. DP and Marv are still in the game after all. Re: My confidence level I'm not 100%. My investment in this game is still not high enough to re-read or build cases myself. I'm open to other cases, I just haven't found anyone as compelling as JSL, who I think is resilient enough to soldier on when put in a hard spot as mafia. At this point, I'm sort of just assuming we're lynching JSL and Math and if they not it then we lose :shrug: | ||
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Re: Marv vs. Vivax I'd call it Vivax. I'm not really entertaining Marv or DP being mafia anymore. Hence why the Lamp assumption feels so sussy. | ||
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Don't overreact to that post. There are two people I want to lynch before you and that basically means I consider you town because we only got two lynches assuming no god medic or w/e. I was just answering the question. | ||
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JSL called the scum team dumb for shooting DMB. Jacob is basically the nicest goofiest person you will ever meet, so this was really off. Jacob claims it was a trap to get DP to get prickly if he was scum (as JSL would be calling him stupid). TBH I've cooled it a lot on the read, and probably prefer Math first now. Jacob thinks I'm tunneling him but it's more like I'm wanting to get him to straighten out and make sense - which doesn't look like is going to happen. | ||
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On September 04 2023 23:20 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm, no I could def vote TTT over math. I could be convinced. He did sort of take the pressure off me in his latest post when I started pushing back on him and theorising about him a little maybe he's scared of me changing lynch target due to his push on me. Just gonna point out that I'm not scared of you because positionally I've no reason to think I'm in any danger. As of when I took the pressure off you, I've got both DP and Marv thinking I'm town after they both put in time to vet me. So long as that doesn't change, the only way I die is if all three remaining players gang me and do it before the countervote, which I think is unlikely. You've also said a lot about my townliness recently so I don't really expect you to go super hard on me. So if you think I took my foot off the pedal because you assume I'm scared, I think you should reappraise. I'm not gloating or saying things can't change, but there's no reason to think my current mindset would be one of fear. So me taking pressure off you isn't because of that. Also IMO people including DP have mischaracterised my aggression onto you. When I tunnel I fucking capital D Dig. With you I've commented and quipped and asked around, but I'd be surprised if my entire word count this game was as big as my tunnel word count on Marv in E1. My confidence in my reads scales with the effort I put into them. So yeah I read you red, but I don't think that read compares in value to whatever Marv or DP put out, who are both more capable and more engaged than I. | ||
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His approach to the game seemed 'honest', I don't really expect him to pretend to not have time. | ||
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It feels almost like you thought I was town until you thought you could lynch me when Vivax turned up? | ||
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IMO it's less about the number of words, and more about the number of assertions with clear convictions. Jacob, you said you don't enjoy playing as mafia the way you used to. If you used to enjoy it, surely you could shit out a ton of words while doing it? | ||
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When I was a kid I enjoyed jumping off rooftops. I don't have to go and try it out to know I wouldn't now. | ||
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LS is extremely bussable (he seems to be developing a playstyle of dying and taking people with him). Koshi pushed the gun into his own damn mouth and forced town to pull the trigger. This isn't some 5D scum play it's the deterministic state of the game pushed into motion by forces beyond our remaining scummer's control. | ||
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On September 05 2023 22:31 Vivax wrote: So they should be extremely frustrated about their team at least short-term after Koshi lim. Which if I had to guess you and mathe would fit the bill the most for that for the sheer effort to bring up motivation to play and not have a certain passive aggressiveness seep through while playing. mathe + TTT would be the most straightforward guess unless someone beside them is being superscum pokerface. So I'm scum for summoning the effort to play and Math is scum for not doing so? Wow. Wait are you saying I've been passive-aggressive or that I haven't been? | ||
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- Being less productive is sign of scum, except I was last game as town. - Being disengaged but coming back is sign of scum, except Math is scum for not coming back. - Being abrasive makes me scum, except I'm always abrasive. - Yeah but the abrasiveness isn't productive. Yeah no shit I'm not that engaged so this is just point 1 and the abrasiveness is irrelevant. - Backing off Jakey is scummy because it means I'm scared except there's no reason for me to be scared. I just looked back on my old games from back in the day. I was lynched as town at a phenomenal rate. The furthest I made it IIRC was D2 as town, and I only made it that far once in five games as town. These more recent games I've been under heavy fire a lot and it's only DP's protection that saved me. So all this stuff about my tell being whether or not I've been productive is actually bullshit, because I've been productive in exactly one game ever and in that one I was airdropped into D2. Sorry a bit ranty and unproductively defensive (again, I don't have any reason to feel pressured rn) but I plan on quoting this post from now on because I'm just tired of the stale and shallow reads. The general population has empirically zero clue on how to read me and wants to lynch me by default. Immediate gut reads on me don't work as shown again and again. | ||
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Also I genuinely hate the hierarchy in this game and yet somehow my playstyle has become 100% reliant on it. How is the proletariat supposed to rise up if it's funded entirely by the ultra-capitalist class? | ||
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I haven't been lynched in years :^) But after this game I'm done hiding behind DP, which means town need to start doing better than auto-lynching someone who they have literally never been correct to meaningfully suspect. | ||
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