On August 26 2023 12:49 JacobStrangelove wrote:
There's something slightly odd about the cheese today. I feel like that's exactly what I would do if I was Maria.

Was this a real read? If so can you be more specific? I've got my own thoughts, but want to know if we see this similarly.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 02:36 GMT

#195

On August 26 2023 16:20 JacobStrangelove wrote:

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Ahh I think dp only would respect a rule if it works in his favour aka if he was mafia. Otherwise he'll find any logic possible to bend it to his will.

I think this is a solid read, but I'll vouch. I was kinda pushy that we leave the mafia game alone. I didn't read my role while there. While we both glanced at the thread, we were both committed to not starting the game until we parted ways.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 03:06 GMT

#223

Yeah but jacob can you be more specific about your read on Chez. Is it just vibes or do you have insight?

I'm not really up to date on DP's stuff. I'm just parsing it now but I'm moving slow.

I think typogate is dumb shit and should be buried. I have a very low opinion of that sort of line of questioning. It's scraping the lining from the bottom of the barrel in terms of scum-hunting, and you being on a phone, and being you, and f+r being right next to each other, and spell correct being a thing andandand it's just dumb kill it with fire. It's numerology-level analysis.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 03:33 GMT

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Okay so I think you're just vibing bro. We don't see it the same.

I think Chez is going through the motions really hard. He's someone who likes seeing how close to the sun he can fly, but his spiel is tired and remarks more on the deficiency of the AI image generation than the image itself or the game.

Basically what I expect is that Chez will cleverly find some way to say something genuinely meaningful using the image as the medium that both challenges him to make the analogy work but also provides plausible deniability. That's not what I see this time.

So I'm suspicious of Chez.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 03:39 GMT

#250

On August 27 2023 10:01 Vivax wrote:

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Wtf are you talking about?

Vivax how does this not make sense? This seems really straightforward to me, and I expect you two to generally find it easier to be on each others wavelength given how well I expect you know each other.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 03:57 GMT

#257

@DMB
How's Vivax's headspace? He seems like he's struggling really hard compared to Endures II. He was mafia that game, so maybe NAI. The contrast is stark.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 04:07 GMT

#260

I asked DMB.

I'm probably the best friend you have rn and the fact you're missing this as well confirms to me that you have no handle on what's going on.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 04:24 GMT

#263

Nope you don't make sense to me then. If you're town you're randomly lynch-bait out of nowhere.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 04:34 GMT

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It's tricky, I don't feel like this is how he acts as town or scum.

His misunderstanding assuming you were asking about the typo was NAI.
His caring about the typo at all to begin with was poor play but I know plenty of the people here read into similar BS.
His not understanding DMB was ???
His initial vote on Iamp was plausible as town opener although the reasoning was so bad it would have been better had he not given any reasons at all.

This whole time, I was half expecting you to be too keen after the headpats I gave you (out of game) for nailing Iamp in august 1.1. I can see you being overeager to perform the same feat again catching scum in what feels like the first 10 minutes, and accidentally browbeating a hapless townie into paste.

I don't think it's as locked down as you do. I'm guessing your confidence is 90+, mine is prob 60+. But he also passed one of my tests during that conversation. It might not be a good read, but based on his behaviour in Endures II, I expected him to fall into my wake if I offered him any form of protection. He reacted with hostility and pride which seems townier to me.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 04:35 GMT

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On August 27 2023 13:29 Vivax wrote:

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Imperfection doesn‘t make me mafia.
I‘m the most open I could possibly be and you have seen that I employ more people-pleasing when I‘m scum.

Or at work.

In this case I‘m not cultivating my appearance. I just try to find the bits I‘m apparently missing and people who rolled the wrong role.

And to me the best option is still my first vote in this game.

Mmm but if you were aware of my read on you as people-pleasing as scum that actually hurts you sorry.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 04:36 GMT

#268

That's because it was ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 04:41 GMT

#272

I was trying to test whether you would fall in my wake like you did in Endures II (as scum). You didn't, so that undermines a red read on you. But then you showed that you were aware both that I would have that expectation:

‘m the most open I could possibly be and you have seen that I employ more people-pleasing when I‘m scum.

and that you were sus of the trap:

That best friend in the moment thing sounds rather manipulative vulgo bullshite in the context of mafia.

So I was too clumsy for this to be a useful way to read you, and that was one of my key reservations about your alignment.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 05:32 GMT

#278

Jacob I tend not to vote for people early unless I'm genuinely trying to lynch them. Chez is on my shortlist but it's too early and I want to avoid indulging in idle threats.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 06:12 GMT

#281

On August 27 2023 14:56 JacobStrangelove wrote:
So you think cheese will change their behaviour if a wagon runs up on them?

It's never too early for idle threats! But I'll suffer the stagnation for a while.

Can I ask why you're so pushy on Chez? It doesn't feel right to me.

I'm not saying stop, I just don't understand why you in particular would be vibing this way considering your styles are so strategically similar (albeit cosmetically very different).

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 07:08 GMT

#284

If that's what you're worried about, I don't know people's timezones, but you can generally expect that people will be active at least once per cycle. All the people who haven't been active in the last five hours will likely weigh in before the lynch.

I expect quite a lot more D1 activity given how active everyone was last game.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 14:09 GMT

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Why VE?

He seems like the kind of player who enjoys playing scum. In Endures I, he blatantly led the mislynch D1 in all caps, reveling all the way. Like I get that he hasn't been active, and has failed to confirm himself town which (for reasons I'm unaware of) is apparently something he does a lot.

But am I wrong to expect him not to cower or coast as red?

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 14:09 GMT

#381

/bed

I'll be around 3-4 hours before deadline.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 23:21 GMT

#643

Hi. I read the thread while in bed and so I'm caught up.

Vote is currently split between VE and Chez, with VE set to go down.

I don't have anyone else I'd prefer to lynch, but I don't think these are great lynches. Feels LAL. Basically, both players are off, but assuming differences in play is due to alignment shift with no underlying mechanistic explanation is dumb. I've seen VE as scum, and it didn't look like this. I'm actually darker on VE now since I last mentioned him, because I think his responses have been nothing at all, but I still don't feel great about it.

I think Chez is a better lynch. VE is playing rubbish as either alignment, but I see this as NAI. Chez however isn't engaged in his shitposting and that seems like a red flag to me. He's offered zero insight and has been half-hearted in his provocation. He hasn't bargained or given cryptic clues about the game state. He also hasn't adapted to the ban on his seal. I believe last time he started using filters or something? Normally, he is galvanised by a sadistic need to lure people into his cryptic BS. This game, it feels like he's playing solitaire for show and doesn't actually want us to come and play.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 23:26 GMT

#646

To be clear, I think other people's votes are LAL which makes me concerned. My reasons for voting Chez are not.

TankTopTiger

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August 27 2023 23:34 GMT

#651

On August 28 2023 08:25 iamperfection wrote:

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ve basically basically told the town to go fuck themselves so don't see why anyone can say that's not a good lynch.

A good lynch in one where you have good reasons for thinking someone is red. I'm not convinced VE has given reasons for why VE is red (time-poor or struggling in terms of well-being maybe). As far as I'm aware, VE is the sort of person who enjoys playing as red, so redepression isn't a tell for VE.

I'll go read his filter to make sure I'm not speaking out my arse, but I just don't see a real case other than lynch the lurker.

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