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My personal life took a nosedive so y'all have no idea how happy I am to get to hang out with everyone again. | ||
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I have work today so I'll mostly be phone posting but definitely scumreading LS right now (again) and I think DarthPunk came off looking worse in the exchange with CopCake that I just read. I'm townreading chezinu on a complete shot in the dark that his chatgpt nonsense is a protest against not being able to use his seal. After attempting to gut read slam last game and being wrong I'm back to forever null on him TTT probably my strongest town read DMB has a lot more confidence this game, don't think that's alignment indicative yet but I'll be interested to see how things progress. Aight I'll be in and out today, I'll have some free time tonight. | ||
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Actually DMB I wanna know this answer as well because last game when LS was mafia a lot of people (including scum) said something similar along those lines about suspecting him but then it took forever to lynch him. So I'd like to start getting people on record for what exactly about LS they don't like... and yes I know I haven't posted a fully fleshed out reasoning yet too lol, after dinner I'll get on my computer and explain. | ||
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You have a 4 page filter and one read (darth) which you don't even seem to believe in. Don't worry, once this chicken & pasta is done I'll have it nicely explained. Sorry it looks like you rolled scum again :/ | ||
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I need to stop posting and finish cooking, I also recognize I could be tunneling myself and it doesn't help that rayn agreeing with me has reinforced my reads. I'll be objective as possible when I go through your filter. | ||
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Second, I'm a bottle of wine deep for personal reasons so apologies for any misspellings or other grammatical issues. Finally, let's get to LS On June 09 2023 21:03 LightningStrike wrote: TTT seems likely town given how they played last game. Also I do got you town as well so far. Outside of that though nothing really catches out to me at the moment. Ok fine, it's early, not gonna hate you for nothing catching your eye On June 09 2023 21:41 LightningStrike wrote: I do hope he answers this so we can figure what that post actually means. I'm going to do my best not to sound super sarcastic when I right this but come on, it's chez "I hope he answers so we figure out what it means?" Like what does it mean to you dude? Why highlight this? It's chez who the fuck knows what it means? This post serves no purpose I should pause here and explain how I think, I write these posts knowing what my gut says based on what I've read previously in the thread but I don't go in with a conclusion in mind. If LS brings attention to Chez again and continues this line of inquiry I will stop finding this post suspicious. On June 09 2023 21:50 LightningStrike wrote: I can actually confirm that from reading that OBS chat. We were all in the OBS chat, it's literally the same people, we can all confirm that. Another useless post. On June 09 2023 22:22 LightningStrike wrote: The Copcake stuff. I did reread it though maybe something there? Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think though reading his filter. "Darth at least is the same alignment as me this time around I think through reading his filter" On June 09 2023 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: This Copcake vs Darth stuff is making my head spin -.- useless On June 09 2023 22:48 LightningStrike wrote: That has to be the only explanation otherwise this just shitting up the thread for very little reason. Again this is making my head spin -.- useless I hate these two posts. It's funny how he talks about shitting up the thread yet his own posts aren't actually helping to unwind the thread except for +1ing rayn. The next few posts, while ironically similar to stuff I've said regarding my IRL activity, are part of what's feeding into my impression that LS is attempting to generate activity to avoid some of the scumtells he fell victim to last game: + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2023 00:02 LightningStrike wrote: Correction on my advising appointment: It's in 45 minutes thought it was starting now (facepalms). Hopefully we get more people to enter the thread. On June 10 2023 01:17 LightningStrike wrote: Just got done with my advising appointment: Glad to see Hapa did post something! On June 10 2023 02:43 LightningStrike wrote: I am not surprised you are scumreading me again given that last game I was scum but this time around I am town. In regards to Darth vs CopCake you said Darth looks worse in that exchange does that equate to him being mafia or just him just looking worse? IDK LS, what do you think? I personally only say that people are looking bad when they're looking scummy to me. Earlier you said Darth was the same alignment as you, so are you going to defend him? OK so now I've entered the game this AM and we're getting to the posts that really caught my attention when I was catching up this afternoon: On June 10 2023 02:49 LightningStrike wrote: By the way anyone else felt like the Darth vs Copcake stuff felt forced? What in the actual fuck does this mean? Why do you think it was forced? Do you think both Darth and Copcake are scum? What posts do you felt were forced? What does this serve to do other than fish for suspicions? On June 10 2023 04:15 LightningStrike wrote: Also CopCake Ya idk if it's super alignment indicative with his case on you like that to be honest. In addition that entire line of stuff between you two felt off idk why yet. This post feels like opportunistic scum looking for suspicions to feed on, if it's NAI why bring up this stuff in the first place other than to sow doubt and distrust among the town? I hate when people say that something feels off and then can't elaborate why. Like at least quote a post of one of Cop/Darth and say "I didn't like that." Tone reads are fine, honestly just meta/vibes are fine. But at least put yourself on record and quote a post or two that made you uncomfortable/suspicious. Otherwise this is just trash that clutters the thread. On June 10 2023 05:54 LightningStrike wrote: Ok riddle me this: If I was mafia this game especially how bad I played last game as mafia why would I craft that opening forgetting that I even did that opening before as town? Hint: I actually wasn't anxious and didn't craft that post. There's more wine in front of this post than there is wine in my glass, and hint hint, there's a lot of wine in my glass. Tbh this post was the first one where I thought "he knows he didn't play scum well last game, what if he's deliberately trying a more active style this game to avoid attention." On June 10 2023 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I do want people to chime on something I posted earlier: Why tf would anyone chime in when you haven't told them what's making you feel that way? The continued unfounded accusations and unsubstantiated suspicions are not working for me. Page 25 is worth a reread for everyone, in particular look at the LS/Cop/Rayn posts. Rayn reads what's being posted and immediately comes to the conclusion that an LS lynch is a good idea. For those who don't want to click the link, I'll summarize. LS gets pushed on his comment about the Darth/Cop interaction Rayn/Cop get LS to say the thinks that there's scum between Cop/Darth. After some more pushing, LS says that: On June 10 2023 06:12 LightningStrike wrote: Ok if I have to choose out of Darth and CopCake who is mafia more likely Darth? CopCake didn't lie about her stuff towards him and Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason? Darth really made something out of nothing for no reason? This was your townread bro, the one you said was the same alignment as you. And after rayn and copcake pushed you about the Cop/Darth being townVmafia you flip and say Darth is now possibly scum? I'm just trying to work through this and here's where I keep coming back to the conclusion that LS is scum. He's got Darth as a townread. He says there's something off with DarthVCop. When pushed he says that it feels like TownVMafia (even though he initially said the interaction felt forced which is usually what people say when they're analyzing a MafiaVMafia interation). Once he says he feels one of them could be scum, he gets pushed on which one and he says it's Darth.... his previous townread. I'll give LS a point, Rayn did ask him to choose and then acted surprised when LS said he was "forced to choose" but at the same time it doesn't really matter because he still chose someone he was townreading previously without any real progression. Here's more status updates: On June 10 2023 09:03 LightningStrike wrote: fyi guys I wont be around starting in 58 minutes I got a TTRPG session (Session 1 for a new game) On June 10 2023 09:58 LightningStrike wrote: With that being said I am heading to my TTRPG session will check in the thread once the session is done! On June 10 2023 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Session is on a break at the moment: I haven't voted anyone? I could be tunneled again, it happens. But the random suspicions, flip flopping of reads, and the apologetic town/updates ... it just feels to me that LS rolled scum again and is trying not to get caught so quickly this time. I am open to all questions. | ||
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I read the scum chat from last game. You were extremely active in that chat (and you can use that weather radar picture someone posted to roughly figure out where I live lol). You are a lot more active this game so the biggest "tunnel" argument I think I'm making is suggesting that your increased activity is scummy. Who do you think is scum right now. DP because you felt he misrepresented Copcake? Rayn or myself because we've called you scum? You've got a 4 page filter and I don't know who you think is mafia. Help me get untunneled, give me some reads you're willing to stand behind. This was last game: On May 25 2023 08:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just love when people who aren't very active magically show up when their name is mentioned, especially close to the deadline. I don't know enough about his meta game to say that low activity is alignment indicative but I will say I've hated how all of his reads are either "town" or "null" Also his above post has the exact same vibe as this one: Who do you want to lynch LS? Since all the wagons are forming "too fast" EBWOP The red stuff is the same vibe I'm getting this game from you LS, even with your increased activity. | ||
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On June 10 2023 16:00 TankTopTiger wrote: Okay, this seems like a clear picture of what happened to me. CC, is there anything wrong with this depiction? FWIW, I don't think CC wants to be in this fight if she's red, so I don't think she would lie in order to make this fight happen. That'd make no sense. I'm red on CC, but not because of lie-gate. Did I miss something in your filter TTT? Why are you red on CC? | ||
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On June 10 2023 12:26 LightningStrike wrote: I was scum hunting by asking questions about people trying to come up with my own conclusions? I did come up with my own conclusions and was some of posting them. Who is mafia LS? | ||
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On June 10 2023 20:54 Hapahauli wrote: I still think the worst thing in the thread is MZ's posting. I've mentioned his entrance post, but his post on LS also gives me the shakes. I think it is a lot of grandstanding by MZ. Full of very unnecessary sarcasm, snarkiness... like he's trying to criticise LS's play. I'll elaborate more when I am at my computer later this afternoon. I await this with baited breath | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:09 Hapahauli wrote: To be clear, I am not reading Cake as town solely because she is displaying emotion. I look for what emotions people should be displaying given the circumstances, and Cake lines up well. Whereas, MZ does not to me (grandstanding on LS seems like manufactured indignation in context). Literally all of your points against me Hapa are that you don't like the tone of my posts. Go read Marv's "analysis" of me last game and then reference my VT flip. I'm not gonna waste thread space arguing with people about my "tone" or whatever you want to call it two games in a row. | ||
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In no particular order: Slam Hapa Vayoletta (Yes I'm aware I routinely say I can't read slam) I need to reread DMB/Copcake/TTT because I remember reading them slightly green yesterday but I haven't been as impressed with them today. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk yet but i am not voting DP or Cake and it's gonna be mistake to vote for either one. I tentatively agree with this pending what I find in Cop's filter. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:38 DarthPunk wrote: ##Unvote: Copcake ##Vote: Vayoletta I think this is a start actually. I also don't think this is a terrible idea either. | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:40 Hapahauli wrote: I'll give you your space to do your work, but these to posts don't really jive at all if your understanding of the game is that the DP wagon is suspicious. The DP wagon is copcake/DMB/LS/vivax. How does that not jive with me already scum reading LS and then saying I haven't been as impressed with DMB/copcake? | ||
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On June 11 2023 08:20 Chezinu wrote: Oh I almost forgot to post this: ![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/MGHHyhy/20230610-112718.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.ibb.co/jf8Z8rV/20230610-112711.jpg) I saw this for Rels!! Isn't for Rels from a game like 2 years ago? | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:13 DarthPunk wrote: I would rather not lynch DMB at this point. Really? With that goodbye post I actually was pretty much ready to vote her myself. Finally filtered her and wasn't impressed. I also feel like she fought more when she was under the gun as town last game. Why are you having doubts? | ||
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If not her then who? I personally would still love a LS lynch or we could pretty much policy lynch Vayoletta at this point. I really don't want to lynch any of you, TTT, or copcake just yet. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just read through page 4 and 5 of her filter last game and it's a much different vibe when she's under the gun there. If not her then who? I personally would still love a LS lynch or we could pretty much policy lynch Vayoletta at this point. I really don't want to lynch any of you, TTT, or copcake just yet. "You" in this post refers to Darthpunk | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:21 die_meatbaby wrote: No if I was Mafia I have to help the Mafia team and should at least try too avoid the lynch with some newbie shit or something like that, but we have enough Townies, so it's not that hard to loss one of 10 green/blue people than to lose one red of 3. AS Mafia it would be unfair to vote myself with the first lynch. Asshole move as mafia but I don't feel bad when there are still 9 more town people are. Also not reading the last 20 pages is not playing is shit for town Gah this is wifom as fuck but same as last game I can understand a new player making this argument. | ||
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We absolutely have enough active folks right now to do some last minute shenanigans. It seems like most of us are only like 60% sold on a DMB lynch, most people have folks they'd rather be lynching instead. I know I'm not gonna rally folks to get an LS lynch here so I'm being serious about a Vayoletta policy. I'll be honest, outside of LS my reads are pretty shaky and I'd rather keep as many active players alive into N1 so that scum have to start confirming alignments via NKs rather than us find out by mislynching a 60% solution. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:27 Vivax wrote: Get on DP, MB is bleeding town after the wallpost I'm not lynching DP over her, I don't think that post is strong enough to call her bleeding town. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:35 DarthPunk wrote: Where is ls? He hasn’t posted since the heat fell off. LS? | ||
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Holy fuck it's unreal, just like last game lmao | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: I really dislike that this game is just a shadow of the previous game. Feels like i'm just missing half my brain. Well we've got 15 minutes, DMB, DP, Vayoletta, or LS. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:42 TankTopTiger wrote: Not gonna lie, having good town activity does actually make policy more appealing. But no I value the early information over it. If we policy, we're only getting the info mafia want us to have. I am open to lynches on DMB, CC, and LS. Possibly Slam or Vivax too but unless someone makes a banger case in the next 10 minutes I'd have no conviction for it. I would rather policy. Worst thing that happens is Vayoletta flips town. If we don't policy, Vayoletta gets modkilled and we potentially mislynch a townie and lose 2 instead of worst case scenario 1. | ||
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OK I'll probably be wanting to lynch you tomorrow but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:51 TankTopTiger wrote: Strong disagree MZ. Lynches are a resource that you don't waste. They produce information and are your win condition. Last game, Vivax was lynched, but it helped form the case on VE. Onegu was modkilled and it didn't really slow us down. A town without info is not going to win. I hate killing just for the sake of information with a burning passion. Whenever people are like "let's lynch X for information" I die inside. That's essentially what this lynch has become because I don't think anyone active in the thread rn can claim they're actually feeling good about their top scum read, whoever it might be. I mean fuck dude, my top read just claimed tracker. | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:57 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote MZ Just gonna put my money where my mouth is in case it is viable. Am watching the votecount just in case. Oh boy D2 is gonna be fun | ||
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And you all are morons for not listening to me. | ||
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On June 11 2023 11:11 Hapahauli wrote: I"m sorry we should have tunnelled the un cc'd tracker all day. A better alternative. Congrats on not reading the thread for the last 2+ hours. We can lynch you tomorrow. | ||
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On June 11 2023 11:14 Hapahauli wrote: You are straight up lying if you're suggesting you weren't tunneling LS literally the whole day. You were suggesting lynching him until the second he claimed. Nah bro you're lying or your reading comprehension needs some help because I advocated policy lynching Vayoletta for a solid hour at eod and there were enough people around to make it happen. | ||
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On June 11 2023 11:45 TankTopTiger wrote: Do you normally get this angry? It feels fake because your position is weak (Tracker and policy), but Koshi was furious last game I guess under similar circumstances. No I'm honestly pretty chill but I'm really irritated with how the last couple hours have played out. | ||
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On June 12 2023 22:10 CopCake wrote: Why in the world, mafiacake would fight two big guys? Someone who has played with me pls answer that and talk about how I tend to play because these two say stuff that are lies or twist my words. Thank you. I am the new Marv in this game. I'm trying to read along with the thread on the shitter at work, I just have to say I fucking hate this post. | ||
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On June 12 2023 23:40 Chezinu wrote: TTT is obv mafia, but should we kill DP first? Is this a question to someone in the thread or a statement of what you believe? | ||
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If it's a statement of chez's reads then I hate that post too. My priorities for reading when I get home are gonna be vivax/dead Hapa/copcake again/now chez too | ||
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AND YES I KNOW NK WIFOM IS A THING PREEMPTING EVEYRONE REMINDING ME Spoiler for readability, here are Hapa's reads: + Show Spoiler + Hapa is green on slam: Here Doesn’t like me: Here Really doesn’t like me (he quotes my first post twice in two hours): Here Thinks Cake/DP is TownVTown maybe: Here LS is wishy washy town: Here Red on me and Chez: Here Waffling on me: Here Green on Slam, Rayn, Vivax, LS: Here Doesn’t want to lynch DP: Here Doesn’t want to lynch CopCake: Here Torn on me: Here Thinks DMB is a mislynch: Here Unknown on Chez, Marv, and Vayoletta: Here Red on TTT: Here +1’s the idea of a Vayoletta lynch: Here Not happy with a DP lynch: Here Settles on a DMB lynch Here Final vote for me: Here Both Hapa and I then make it clear we’re going to go after each other tomorrow. I was honestly floored he got NK’d. I was absolutely going to go after him for the DMB vote and the flipflop about vayoletta. I know I don’t have much thread presence but now that he’s flipped town it seems like it would have been a better scum play to let the two of us go after each other. So why did they kill him? I can think of three reasons: a) They wanted to frame me because he was the loudest voice calling me scum in the thread. I find this unlikely because nobody has really come out of the woods to push for my lynch today which honestly surprised me a bit b) They were blue hunting. Hapa didn’t have a super long filter but was clearly engaged with the game. Maybe scum thought he was blue trying not to draw attention to themselves. This is certainly a possibility. c) He had the scum team nailed. His scum list is me, TTT, Chez, and maybe Vayoletta. Now I know I’m town, so let’s see how many other people are calling the others scum. Just going to focus on Chez for now. a. Slam indirectly calls out Chez and says he’s sheeping Hapa b. Rayn votes for chez but unvoted well before the lynch and has since buddied him a bit c. I townread chez for a meta guess about chatGPT d. Not going to check DMB since she was dead e. Marv has one post saying he has no idea about chez’s alignment f. Vivax repeatedly calls chez unreadable and enigmatic and has buddied him a lot g. DarthPunk has Chez in his Green/Brown category h. Not gonna look through Chez about himself lol i. TTT says chez is cryptic/trolling/not playing the game j. Vayoletta has Chez listed as a PoE suspect k. CopCake simply says “chezinu… is chezinu” l. Hapa called Chez out multiple times m. LS says that Chez wasting his vote on Rayn is pretty bad Ok I have to be honest that took longer than I was expecting and I’m very surprised how few people have actually called out Chez. I wasn’t sure what I was going to find reading everyone’s filter to get their reads on him but I certainly wasn’t expecting Hapa to be the only person to directly call him out as scummy. LS is ironically the only other person who comes close (aside from Rayn's early vote). I’m going to post this now and start looking at how everyone has been reading TTT. I know a lot more people have at one point or another called him scum so I’m not expecting to learn as much. Bottom line, if Hapa got killed for being right on one of his reads, I think there’s a decent chance it was Chez... I guess I need to reread Chez now too fml. If you feel I have somehow misrepresented your read of chez feel free to throw spears and correct me. | ||
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On June 13 2023 09:31 DarthPunk wrote: Disagree, if TTT is scum with vayoletta, he would absolutely position himself against policy lynches to protect them getting flipped day one. That is exactly the kind of play I would expect from him. But its associative so not that important right now. I'm agreeing with this line of thinking | ||
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On June 13 2023 10:14 DarthPunk wrote: Do you really think they were blue hunting with two blue roles outed already? I don't really think it's likely which is why I spent so much time looking at Hapa's reads. I can't discount it being a possibility though so I added it to the list of reasons. | ||
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On June 13 2023 10:22 DarthPunk wrote: I think you missed a reason, Hapa is a strong town player and would , become correct. I don't place much stock into NK analysis because it is so easily manipulated by mafia. That's true but you could say the same for people like Marv, Rayn, or Vivax. If scum was going to kill anyone on potential I'd have to imagine they'd need a reason to differentiate amongst the potentially strong town players in this game. I'm not going to sit here and say we should lynch Chez based on the NK but I do think it's worth looking back and what Hapa said. | ||
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On June 13 2023 10:11 Chezinu wrote: Finally, people are looking at me. Thanks for the attention!! Are you still scum reading DP? | ||
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On June 11 2023 10:21 TankTopTiger wrote: I'm not sure what to think. I just compared her filters, and she was a lot more aggressive even after Vivax died than she is now (you were correct, my vibe was way off). This looks bad for her I agree. She says she hasn't got time for the game, but the type of aggression she was doing last game was not time-consuming. It was more like knee-jerk guttural suspicion. Her lists look similar, but she no longer feels like she's trying to figure out the game. She was never ginger about her accusations. So I think your initial reasoning was sound. As for the Vivax+DNB voteswitching, it being uncoordinated could just mean Vivax town. Would she have made that decision if she knew Vivax was switching? Nah. I'm not voting Vayo. It's a policy lynch in all be the most technical sense. Even if they're red we get no info. But we would have killed mafia which is the point of the game? idk why I missed this on D1 but this is terrible. | ||
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On June 12 2023 12:42 TankTopTiger wrote: A bit disorganised at this point, reading through all the posts since #30 atm, I'm up to #53 so I'm biased towards happenings within that frame. I just spent a lot of time inside my head on you DP. Real spooky. I thought that a red DP would see the difference between DMB last game and this game, and know it meant blue. Then they could lead the mislynch, but have meta from previous game on leading mislynches. Bonus points for backing away from it at the last minute by reading them green (ad lib). But it was Rayn that pointed you in that direction, so that play doesn't work out unless redDP is very fortunate and just had this play fall into his lap (I don't think Rayn's suggestion was red at all). There were some other things. Your reactions have felt artificial twice to me - one was in response to CC, can't remember the other. You being onboard with policy feels irrational but I'm not actually sure on your position on that and WW may have softened you up. But overall it's too much reach, so I'm back to treating you as green based on the overall pro-townliness of your play. Your read on me is exactly what I would expect and I can't argue against it. I'm not as engaged in poor information environments. Rayn is green. LS is weird because I think he decided at the start of the game that he was going to play differently and so my main reason for giving him the benefit of the doubt feels artificial. Someone said at some point that he feels very in the moment and I agree with that. He also seems to come across as artificial whenever he thinks he should be providing an anger response (congruent with autism claim). So I sort of just want to leave him and see where he takes it for now. I still see CC as red. I don't really want to engage with her because she counter-tunnels and shits up the thread leaving everyone confused. I don't think there's anything she could say that would change my mind, but she also hasn't really done anything since that alleviates or intensifies my suspicion. The read is stale but it's still my firmest read. Overall, I think town have been eating town a lot, but also in many directions. This sort of environment is something I wanted at the start of the game (not the TvT thing, but the diversity of opinions thing as opposed to last game which felt sychophantic to me from many). This pushes me in the direction of thinking that mafia are more passive, so toward Vayo, Marv, and Slam. You said CC is stale but how is it your firmest read when you say you're thinking mafia are more passive? Let's put all the policy lynch stuff from D1 aside, would you vote Vayoletta today after the last 36+ hours of thread progression? On June 12 2023 16:07 TankTopTiger wrote: How did you have reads on Marv or Vayo? These seem like really weak reasons to give someone town points. Ok I don't disagree with you. Your posts are structurally almost identical to the last game but something still feels a little off to me and I think it's because you're still stuck on CopCake who I've been mostly green on so far and I feel like you're dancing around calling vayoletta scum even though you were one of the leading reasons that lynch never got off the ground. I think if you spent more time on your other reads and less time on CC I'd be more inclined to townread you again but until then it feels like you're using the CC tunnel to deflect/avoid other reads. I don't think I want to lynch you today. I want you to help me lynch Vayoletta | ||
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On June 11 2023 07:42 Chezinu wrote: Also, Vay said that they were going to be AFK before hand. On June 12 2023 23:40 Chezinu wrote: TTT is obv mafia, but should we kill DP first? On June 12 2023 11:07 Chezinu wrote: Boo!! It's not a blue. Slam confirmed town. On June 13 2023 08:53 Chezinu wrote: OK. time to series. seriously. Let start a keto diet. Step 1. Eliminate carbs. #Vote Copcake + Show Spoiler + Now, you just need to argue how your are the cop guarding the cake and preventing us from eating it. Then other may argue that there is no cake and that the cake is a lie. But others will say it just matters what is on the inside. Then I'll be like. I love strawberry cake.. raspberries... cherries... On June 13 2023 09:14 Chezinu wrote: VAYO, CC, TTT This progression is fucking wild Chez. You start with don't lynch Vayo bc they said they'd be AFK. You posted this at 7:42 TL Time. Vayoletta did say two days prior that they were going to be busy on the first day... but then came back and said they were catching up here: On June 11 2023 04:25 Vayoletta wrote: I have had like the busiest weekend ever sitting pretty and drinkin vegan soy cafe latte at the edge of the town. Now it’s my time to walk into the centre with my fancy state of the art stiletto heels and proclaim Alakaslam vibes town to me. I put on my curved sunglasses as I look at the bright monitor once again, hoping to get beyond page 7 before the day ends. That's 3 hours before your post that Vayoletta said they were coming back to the thread. Maybe a little TMI from a mafia QT? Who knows but it's odd you would defend them for being AFK when they had already come back to the thread and started posting. Then you said slam was town Then vayoletta said slam was town and you were on her PoE list Then you voted CopCake Then you called Vayoletta scum with CC and TTT. That whole progression on vayoletta is something. As is the scumread of DP which you dropped and your sudden vote on CC. I don't think I've fully solved everything but I'm pretty sure if we start lynching into Vayoletta/Chez/TTT we're going to hit at least one scum. | ||
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That was really solid analysis. I'm gonna sleep on it but I think that might be enough to do away with my remaining thoughts that TTT might be town due to his post structure/tone. I am hurt to be catching random strays in your analysis though  | ||
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On June 14 2023 00:11 marvellosity wrote: Is this person really town? ##vote: Vayoletta Remarkable lack of traction on someone who hasn’t come to play. And yes yes I missed days but I’m here now trying to win. Thank fuck I felt like I was taking crazy pills for a bit. The way people call Vayoletta scummy then refuse to vote her reminds me of how LS skated along last game. Also I don't buy TTT's giving up post halfway through the day. I could very easily see a Vayoletta/TTT/Chez team at this point with all 3 of them attempting to soft bus each other to varying degrees. | ||
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On June 14 2023 00:58 Vivax wrote: I did. It‘s very aesthetic. You got diamond encrusted palladium shitters at work with an engraved signature from Jimmy Wales? You treat TTT in a way a mafia would probably do for a teammate. So while your reads are decidedly impressive, you read me town after all while I can‘t really back your reasoning behind it and think that even if we lynched mafia here that you have been pushing, I still wouldn‘t trust you enough to give you a townread. Lmao this is like a carbon copy of Marv's read of me from last game lol Fine let's lynch all my suspects and if we haven't won by then you can waste a lynch on me since we should at least have 2/3 scum down. "Meapak town read me while I was trying to troll so he's mafia" honestly fuck off with that trash lol. You made sense when you were talking about TTT. | ||
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On June 14 2023 01:28 Vivax wrote: I don‘t discount it. MZ has still to place a vote and when the circle tightens and nobody is around to like your dog, mafia needs to include teammates in suspect circles but shys away from voting them. If TTT and Vayo both were mafia, that‘d make MZ the deepscum for a shot at lategame. And they can still do enough at EoD to steer the titanic away from themselves. I don‘t think I need to explain why EoD-centric activity peaks are more likely to be from mafia. But we‘ll see. Vivax thanks for helping me with my read on TTT but we can take it from here. ##Vote: Vayoletta | ||
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I still don't like TTT or chez but I need to open back up my aperture because clearly I'm missing something. LS still doesn't look good but he's unCC'd... of course there's no way scum kills him and hes just gonna say he was RB'd again tomorrow. Too much wifom there. I probably need to read CC and slam tomorrow. I don't think I can scum read rayn/DP/Marv. If any of them are red I'm just gonna have to tip my hat to them. | ||
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OK fair. Two questions: how do you think TTT's play is compared to last game? How do you think Marv's play is compared to last game? | ||
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I've thought his posts this game have been good but his activity is starting to look a lot different than last time. I am perhaps giving him a blanket town read because I was wrong last game and I need to revisit this. | ||
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On June 14 2023 17:47 DarthPunk wrote: I’ve talked about mz and Marv at length in my filter if you read that and still have questions I’m happy to answer them. Dude it's 2:45am for me and I just got home from flying, I'll reread your filter tomorrow but I'm not gonna be awake much longer so for the sake of conversation right now just work with me here. I'm trying to take a step back and reassss. | ||
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On June 14 2023 14:38 DarthPunk wrote: I really dont think marv is mafia FWIW. I am not sure why anyone thinks that he is mafia. If its for post count, he didn't play day one. and he said somewhere that he was going to post less this game. OK I found this. So you have noticed it but it's not throwing any alarm bells for you. For both you and TTT, do you guys think scum have been actively influencing either of the lynches so far or do you think they've just been sliding by letting town lynch town? Obviously TTT if you are town then scum didn't really have a lot to worry about yesterday it would seem. | ||
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On June 14 2023 18:12 marvellosity wrote: Maybe and maybe, I haven’t read the lynch yet (work) but seems clear a reassessment needs to happen. This is where I'm at right now but I'm slightly unsettled you don't have more. But you did tall about your activity level pregame you're right. Sigh | ||
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On June 14 2023 18:15 marvellosity wrote: If TTT is town then mafia had to do nothing yesterday. Just looking back at day 1, mafia also didn’t have to do anything unless DP is mafia. In that scenario though, maf were playing a dangerous game as the vote numbers were very low and he could easily have been lynched “by accident” from a rogue vote or two. I think other people have already talked about it but this is one of the biggest reasons why DP is town to me bc he was so willing to take risks with his own life EOD day 1 to try and get what was in his mind the best lynch. Do you agree with TTT's assessment that there were likely more scum on his wagon (assuming he's town?) | ||
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On June 14 2023 18:13 TankTopTiger wrote: You could have left that last statement out and tested me on it MZ. It's not clear to me whether they skated D1. It was a chaotic lynch. My money would be on that they didn't, because I find it unlikely LS, CC, and DP are all town. We shot with a flak cannon and it is just unlikely that no mafia were clipped at all. But DP did his chaos roulette thing, and I'm not sure how familiar people are with that, so whether or not they felt the need to actually step in is... Wifom basically. D2 they breezed no question. Without having actually sifted through the votes, I think there would be more scum on my wagon. No shade on Vayo, but I wouldn't be surprised if people feared me late game more than Vayo who nobody has meta on and was mostly lurking/absent and giving unfounded reads. I pushed four cases last game and three were red. Regardless of whether that was lucky or not (it was), scum team would see me struggling early and seize the opportunity to not have to find out whether I can reproduce it. Of LS, CC, and DP which do you think is most likely scum from D1? I agree with your D2 assessment if you're town, even the part about there being more scum on your wagon. A tomorrow project for me is going to be looking at the folks on there. | ||
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On June 14 2023 18:30 marvellosity wrote: Which only really makes sense if TTT is maf Nah it only makes sense if TTT is town. | ||
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On June 14 2023 18:32 marvellosity wrote: That assumes that mafia think TTT easier to lynch than Vayo? I think it assumes mafia wanted a TTT lynch and somehow got foiled. But again this is all presuming an active mafia influence on the lynch. | ||
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On June 14 2023 18:34 DarthPunk wrote: I can see it both ways actually so I don’t think it means much. Yeah we may be descending our way into wifom hell. In any case I'm tired as shit and will see you all tomorrow | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:02 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn is not town btw. Wtf have the last 5 pages been from him. | ||
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On June 14 2023 14:27 Alakaslam wrote: I do actually feel pretty good about that ngl On June 15 2023 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Advocate lynches on TTT / MZ always. Don't get swayed by bullshit, even by town DP bullshit. You need to do that, those two are always mafia. On June 15 2023 06:05 marvellosity wrote: Running low on time but just in cases, however unlikely it may be: LS Vivax DP rayn (Chez) (Slam) CC TTT MZ rayn, most of my thinking about TTT was purely from the view of wagonomics (that’s definitely a word right?). Some other brief stuff: I talked yesterday about how MZ’s posts during d2 felt more townie than on d1. When I go back and look, knowing Vayo was town (this clearly had an influence on me yesterday) and also looking at the unnecessarily lengthy posts on Chez (who I think looked better EOD 2 actually) I’m not entirely sure what I was thinking. Slam actually looks bad but I’m too unsure on how to read him to place him lower. I feel like he started the game trying to sound a certain way (happier or whatever word you might choose, think I stole rayn’s one), but after that ??? My take on this is scum fatigue. I’m not super sure about this or anything but it’s harder to find the consistent town arc. CC relatively low because I feel she handled herself in a townie way while under a lot of pressure, but she could have utilised the pressure easing to get more involved. rayn as someone who knows her irl, dunno if you have a take on this? Rayn you are not higher because I don’t get the same vibes from you as I did last game. Tbh I would be way way more paranoid than I am right now, but I feel like if you were maf then you had a genuine chance to lynch DP d1 and could have taken it. The only world this really makes sense is if you and DP are both mafia and this doesn’t feel right On June 14 2023 06:26 Vivax wrote: Sorry, was meant to be a joke  I could do MZ if anyone could convince me or anyone else for that matter that TTT isn‘t it. On June 15 2023 09:23 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn. Lets try posting normally, I think we both have TTT and MZ as good lynch candidates now. If you are town what do you think of marv's alignment? On June 15 2023 09:31 Chezinu wrote: MZ and DP don't get the <3's Let's do this thing guys. Come on TTT, LS, and CC y'all are the only ones who haven't scum read me yet. | ||
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On June 15 2023 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you tell me how i have been "jackass" about anything in this game? Genuinely, i dont care what your read on me is or what my read on you is. I'm just stoked for my flip. If you can't read your own filter and see where you've been an ass repeatedly to DP literally on this very page then I can't help you lol. | ||
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Oh yes lol, my change of heart after having my biggest scum read flip town and a desire to reexamine how I've been reading the game. Pardon me for trying to keep an open mind. Let's all assume that I die tomorrow and I flip town. How is that going to change your read of the game. I know you're going to say "I'm not doing that, you're flipping red." That's your loss as I'm trying to save you some time. But for everyone else, y'all should reread the game as if I've flipped town. You'll have a whole two days head start on rayn. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not open mind. I am not as good in english as marv or hapa is, but yeah. It's not fucking "open mind". You literally agreed with parts of my case on TTT, then voted for Vayo (which i dont blame you for), then said you should not consider TTT mafia. Why is TTT not mafia? I cannot get over how similar TTT is to last game and since vayo flipped town the associative case that I had in my mind from the D1 lynch fell apart. | ||
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Sorry my bad. I realized how close my scumbuddy came to getting lynched and realized I needed to position myself better for the D3 lynch. Is that it? | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:14 DarthPunk wrote: Ok that was my answer too. Maybe we just lynch TTT tomorrow and then see where we land. Nah DP let's do me instead. Much better that way. If you lynch TTT first tomorrow and he flips town then you'll lynch me at LYLO and I hate being the LYLO lynch that loses town the game. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: nah it's just that it doesnt make any sense. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean that it's not a valid line of thinking. I am very clearly not the strongest town player in the world, we're at a point where the game doesn't feel close to being solved to me so I'm trying to take a step back and figure out what I've been missing. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:17 DarthPunk wrote: Do you know this kind of martyrdom is super effective vs me? Honestly this is a huge blind spot for you because DMB did it to you D1, TTT did it to you D2. Don't let me do it to you D3, flip me. Find the answers you seek. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you fucking offering yourself as lynch over your scumreda MZ? All I've got to bring to the table at the moment is Chez and an incredible longshot suspicion of Marv. At least if I die it'll give the town some breathing room to discuss other things. imo pretty much everyone has played very poorly as town this game. Yes I know my play isn't stellar but compare this game to last game and I would argue I'm not the only one who hasn't done their #2 responsibility as town and establish their innocence. To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda waiting to see what the NK is to try and bring at least some clarity to the game because at the moment I could probably find a reason to lynch every single player left alive. | ||
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Actually yes this is true. At this point you are my strongest (maybe only) townread. | ||
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Rayn this post is gross. Stop acting like you're getting killed tonight and stop calling out to marv to confirm all your reads. | ||
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Holy fuck he did it again. There's no fucking way you get killed after everything you've posted tonight lol. | ||
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Look at daddy Marv, that's an example of someone giving a nice simple reads case in case they die. | ||
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On June 15 2023 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Rayn when he doesn't get killed tonight Actually me when it's rayn that gets NK'd | ||
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On June 15 2023 11:06 CopCake wrote: Could be that mafia is also mia and didnt see this 🤷🏽♀️ Which uh... would make me town eh CC? | ||
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DP Slam LS (fml) TTT (if you really want a full explanation for this read I'll give you one in a bit) MZ (obviously) Unknown Vivax CC Red Marv Chez I had CC and Vivax as light townreads but I think PoE says one of then is green and one is red. | ||
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LS is still unCC'd If DP is scum then gg TTT is town. He had me as a light green read during the night and when the lynch piled on him at the beginning of the day he didn't take the escape route of flipping his read of me to scum in order to try and survive. If he had flipped to try and save himself I would have immediately been suspicious but he stayed consistent. This leads me to chez/marv/vivax/CC Of those 4 I'm probably least suspicious of CC but that's mostly because vivax has some inconsistencies in how he's responded to some things lately and I haven't looked closely at CC in a while. I know some folks have vocalized it in the thread but I think there's a lot of hesitancy about marv due to the mislynch last game and his pregame activity comments. I feel those same feelings but at this point Marv's lack of effort or good town play is just too much to ignore. There's also some NK wifom from the Rayn kill that points in that general direction as well. I'm still red on chez. I'll try and go into more details there later. | ||
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On June 16 2023 03:28 CopCake wrote: No one is really gonna talk about Slam rn? Slam is town. Do you think chez is scum? | ||
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On June 16 2023 03:44 CopCake wrote: I want to focus rn in the Slam thing Because it could be slam/marv it that was a slip I just told you what I think of slam and marv so why don't you answer my chez question please. | ||
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On June 12 2023 14:04 CopCake wrote: I am town TTT and I checked my filter and answered all your questions. I think I over reacted to your “ooofff comment” that made me think that you were mafia and made me tunel you hard, you don’t wanting to answer me if you think TTT could play you also made me 🤷🏽♀️ when I was trying to focus in something else. I invite you to pls, consider me town. Be wary of me if you wish but have me as town for a while. When rayn pointed out the end of the day I realized my mistake. And I hope you are humble enough to consider yours (if i remember correctly you went hard on LS because he appeared “like magic” and called dmb good, then she progressed bad and then “she was acting the same way as last game”) I have my suspicious on TTT and that is nothing new, reconsidering my Slam read also, I wonder if he started to look “less stressed” because he read in the obvs that being like that is a mafia trait of his, if I remember again the EoTD he changed his vote according to Happa’s will. Something similar when there was the Marv vs DP (I am never ever ever lynching Marv to lol bye see that cool case!), I need to see more of vayoletta and marv, so I’ll have them in null. I dont trust Vivax, his 180° flip on me has me ????? Like if he is just following what is “cool”. I need to re read MZ, I barely remember something. Chezinu is… Chezinu. But can someone explain how the blue/res disease works? On June 13 2023 08:45 CopCake wrote: Ok, this is tiresome. Top town LS Rayn DP (for mechanics) Slam MZ (after reading his filter correctly, his LS case is chef kiss but he is town, still his progression is fluid) Vivax has some reads similar as me and he called out DP when he suggested that LS fake claimed, last game there were only two blues so I doubt there would be more? I think DP just find scummy things (I mean LS looked scummy in the case MZ made if you take out the tone read) Mid tones Marv: I think rayn has been more vocal than DP so his read is ???????????? Mafia Vayoletta: I am sorry but you asked if I was able to do a poker face but your reads seem mostly… “tone”? It is the first time we play together this so I would be more wary if I was you. Chezinu: Chezinu is always a wild card, but his vote on rayn from last day was riperino, he was being nice to dmb like “I will stop the troll for you” but when she died he wasnt sad, he was like yes! Another blue! Ahahahahahha the irony. TTT: I think he is puppeterin DP. “DP, dmb is using nai on you”, I mean, this is a little of tinfoil but what if you also got that she was blue? There is that chance. You played with her and instead to see DmB in DP’s eyes you went full severe “she is scum” when generally you try to see both sides. (from last game) I also think TTT and Vayoletta team would make perfect sense, considering he didnt want to lynch her. My two cents. On June 13 2023 09:51 CopCake wrote: Nevermind my Chezinu read, it is useless and bad, I just remembered he doesn’t kill girls so it doesn’t work. Marv is the other mafia. On June 14 2023 20:32 CopCake wrote: Why does no one else consider Chezinu a top tier supreme class mafia? He fooled everyone with Luca Gallo. On June 16 2023 03:59 CopCake wrote: Chez with Vivax is PoE, you should know he (Chez) is hard to read but theorizing that wont help at this moment. Nah CC it’s late enough in the game for you to generate a read of Chez. No more of this bs. | ||
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On June 16 2023 04:01 CopCake wrote: How possible is Slam/Marv/TTT? So both slam and TTT are busing Marv rn? When they could have just pushed for my lynch instead? | ||
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Slam is not scum claiming. I'm almost certain he's being sarcastic, look at my posts during the night cycle, I said something similar at one point sarcastically calling myself scum. The only way the game is invalid is if that's the actual scum team and in that case yes I'd agree to call it a draw but I'm almost certain that's a frustration post. Look at how's he's referencing things I said during the night. | ||
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On June 16 2023 07:04 DarthPunk wrote: It’s ls reaction to it that sells it. Why would ls not contact the hosts when you made a similar post? Or TTT or DMB? Actually LS outed his team really. But yeah God I still don't think LS is scum still, just really not reading the game well/at all. I'd strongly prefer to start with Marv | ||
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Still if I was scum in LS's shoes I'd absolutely contact the hosts first before complaining to the thread. In LS's eyes, we lynch slam for his "claim" then if slam flips red we lynch LS/Marv and town!LS loses so that's why he thinks it's unfair? Maybe? But I don't wanna lynch slam so it's kinda a moot point. | ||
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On June 16 2023 07:06 DarthPunk wrote: Why would he say that slams post invalidated the game and contact the hosts if he was not just mafia with slam and slam outed their team? Only thing that makes sense. I vote for game cancellation personally. The only reason I would want to cancel the game is if slam actually did post the team but at this point the host has to confirm that either a) he did or b) he didn't and that host confirms alignments. | ||
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If exactly one one of Marv/LS is scum and slam is town then grack can just say that slam didn't post the team, it doesn't confirm or deny anyone's alignments, and it's up to us to figure out which of Marv/LS is scum (which I feel pretty good that we've done). | ||
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On June 16 2023 07:23 DarthPunk wrote: Meh. Just call it in my opinion. Up to the mafia team too but tHough and the other townies. Lots of alignments getting confirmed in this mess. Unless there is scum in you or TTT I think the game has too many quasi confirmed people for scum to win so I'd be good calling it a draw. Doesn't really feel like a fair town win at this point although for very selfish personal reasons I'm annoyed bc I think I had the remaining team nailed. | ||
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I know I personally didn't want to repeat a mistake from last time. | ||
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You're not supposed to say anything alignment related until the host says something | ||
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On June 16 2023 07:31 LightningStrike wrote: To be honest guys it's my fault how this game ended I should of just ignored like I should of Sorry for being feisty towards you. I was just frustrated bc at this point in the game I was never gonna lynch you regardless of slams post. | ||
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But most importantly I hope you're doing OK slam. If you wanna talk man I'm here. I know it pales in comparison to what you're going through but my gf broke up with me D1 so I can relate to a fraction of how you feel right now. Some things are just more important than mafia. | ||
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On June 16 2023 07:45 marvellosity wrote: MZ you played great this cycle. Really good Thanks man, I appreciate it. | ||
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So rayn... I told you so ❤️ | ||
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I can't look at discord until I get home | ||
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On June 16 2023 08:19 CopCake wrote: In my world, split the lynched between MZ and TTT and then pretend “I told you so” about TTT. I would have probably killed LS that night or Slam. Marv and Vivax wanted you alive for “good sport”. Not like I would have send a kill towards you anyway. Tbh TTT and I refusing to scum read each other to save ourselves scuttled any chance of that happening. | ||
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