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On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? | ||
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On August 30 2022 04:21 Jockmcplop wrote: Fair enough. Oh its ok the rule is vote palmar day 1 or if he's not there vote holyflare. His post makes sense after the clarification. It didn't before, I assume that why you posted 'what?'. Why does saying this game has a rber that doesn't rb make any sense? Can't find anything about it in the OP. | ||
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Also, I've grown and adapted as a human being so take this in full faith that I, as a townie, am doing this with the utmost sincerity because I really liked Koshi's MZ points (yes, this parrots what Rayn is saying above). I just think he extrapolated the read a smidge too far to apply it to copcake and then distracted himself. ##Vote MZ | ||
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Koshi's post: MZ: sticking out but not in a helpful way. Creating discussion around problems he created. Like "this joke" is mafia. Yes, I like Tube for pointing out the joke reads were hilarious. Should I like MZ for helping me like Tube? No. I dont think I will. But maybe I should. MZ helped me like Tube. Hmmm Then he gets distracted with copcake and his copcake read is causing him to have back and forth thoughts on MZ. For instance, even though he concludes that it's probably tinfoil and could be a bus I think if you read between the lines in #285 his mind kind of settles on that maybe he's taking the MZ read too far (at least IMO). After a bit of back and forth with Cop, he then kinda derails even further and just throws out random names. As far as MZ is concerned: • #246 I don't think Copcake could be considered fluff posting at any stage of the game (in fact, I get the same tinfoil vibes that Koshi did even because Copcake is such a random name to throw out that it doesn't look like anything more than partner vibes). In my view, it's obvious why Cop was asking Rayn about if I was in the game because that leads to the evaluation of whether what I'm posting has any merit to it or not. It doesn't seem like fluff at all. This is made even worse because #247 in the very next post he's even asking Rayn about his original post. Sure, it's a clarification and slightly helpful but it's the height of hypocrisy just after saying Cop was fluff posting about stuff like this. • I think his general approach to Dec has been bad. Dec's post was obviously a joke, I'd made like 1 post calling myself town. In the same breath that he calls Dec mafia in #250 for not making it an obvious joke, he's highlighting my post saying "This is an obvious joke" but not putting two and two together that that was basically the only post I made so Dec's post is obviously massively facetious. In my mind, I would expect MZ to admit he might have misread it as serious when it was a joke and back off a bit but he doubles down and that's bad. • #252 is what I would classify in my initial summary as "robotic". The "agree to disagree" into "talk to me about Jock" into "what do you think of Cop?" is such an awkwardly written post in comparison to anything else he's done. It feels clumsy, like he doesn't actually care about the follow up but he's just kind of leaving out empty questions. He hasn't elaborated any more about Cop since his first statement, hasn't highlighted any posts about Cop, nor has he been really determined to do anything about Cop. Compare this to what he talked about with regards to Dec and the tinfoil team is just reinforced even further. Hope that clarifies stuff for you. | ||
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On August 30 2022 23:06 deconduo wrote: We're allowed to unvote and switch votes right? Don't see anything about it in the OP Yes. | ||
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I think your explanation and Rayn's fit into the same category, although I think Rayn's can come from mafia sometimes since I feel like the explanation on Koshi is a bit overexplain-y and sure about himself (but it's been a while since I've played with rayn properly and in the back of my head it seems to fit with my picture of rayn just fine anyway). I'm happy to give Rayn the benefit of the doubt and call him townie for it because building up town reads, especially in the form of Koshi, is nothing but beneficial in the early game and I think highlighting that Koshi got eliminated in the last game for doing the same thing really narrows down that avenue for a miselimination if Rayn were mafia (which I don't think would be his angle). Vivax is in a bit of an odd spot. I've played a couple of games with him on MU and while he's been somewhat aloof in those games, there's been times where he's really driven down wild narratives/explanations that I haven't seen here yet. I don't think his vote on MZ is bad, obviously, and I don't really think saying it's the first filter he opened is bad lol but I do understand why he's not posting as much here. It's a bit of a tedious experience comparatively for quality of life features :D Temporarily postponing thoughts on Vivax until he posts something useful that I disagree vehemently with (in which case he's probably town :D), or MZ shines like a townie beacon. | ||
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On August 30 2022 23:30 CopCake wrote: Let me get this right, HF. There is a world in which me and Ziphh could be mafia together just because he threw my name out of nowhere? Ooppss, I am super mafia for asking another thing. Absolutely With this caveat: On August 30 2022 23:07 Holyflare wrote: To clarify, I don't think Cop is scummy independently currently, I just have tinfoil purely based on MZ speculation. | ||
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On August 30 2022 23:42 CopCake wrote: I honestly think that is like, bad reasoning. Specially because he also mentioned jock first. Not just me and Deconduo list. Even tho I agree that he taking deconduo's list seriously is bad, I kinda feel it is too bad to be mafia. I don't think mafia would try to put themselves in the spotlight early and be more wary of what they are posting. I agree it's bad reasoning lol. Are you trying to convince me away from it or something? Does it influence your read on me in any way? | ||
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On August 30 2022 23:50 CopCake wrote: Yes, it does and I am not trying to convince you, I am trying to understand you. Thought I made myself quite clear though. I don't scum read you, I just find that MZ's treatment of you is odd, his mentioning of you for something I don't think applies to you is bad and his hypocrisy in the very next post he made after it shows he doesn't actually even put any stock into his own read of you. I can easily see it being a partner interaction regardless of what I think about my read on you. | ||
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Firstly, I think his post here: Is needlessly regressive. If you were in the game Rayn was talking about (which Slam was) then clarifying the typo to "this game" means nothing because it should have been obvious what he was talking about from the onset, in which case nothing changes. Secondly, his reference in his opening post including: I'm gonna get lynched for this aren't I? is just the right level of self-deprecation I'd expect from someone hypersensitive about how their posts come across which in my experience, Slam, at least as town, is not. His further posts don't really lead to any kind of evaluation either. He was going to scum read Rayn but remembered Rayn was just bitter as either alignment, he gets into some weird mechanics argument with Dandel in #263 for a while (and actually in this post hesitates in scum reading Dandel?) Then he circularly references his original suspicion in #269 saying he has no scum reads and that maybe Rayn is just mafia after all? It doesn't read like a genuine thought process and I think he was afraid to push too far onto Dandel for fear of repercussions, rather than a genuine intent to solve Dandel's alignment. | ||
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On August 30 2022 21:20 deconduo wrote: Where did HF go? I think he's actually moving to my mafia list By the way, why did you think this? | ||
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On August 31 2022 00:56 Vivax wrote: Intriguing, my inner workings sometimes require me to be unhappy and feel good about it I'm a curious fella tho Do something yo | ||
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On August 31 2022 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idunno if you got my post correctly HF. I was saying i dont think what Koshi says (and apparently you now) makes MZ mafia because last time he was lynche for making reads the exact same way as you described and he was towwn. Oh, I know what you said don't worry. I think it's a townie way to shut down a potential future wagon on Koshi. Doesn't mean anything for MZ or Koshi's points on MZ though (although it kinda implies you think Koshi's points are weird or have no merit which I disagree with). | ||
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On August 31 2022 01:07 Vivax wrote: Like what? I'm voting mafia am I not Also eating, then visiting two friends, sometimes I accidentally manipulate realities or something Even if MZ had a green PM, your eyes will tell you it was red alakablam Do some vivax town things I dunno | ||
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On August 31 2022 01:47 Jockmcplop wrote: No comment on the Slam read? | ||
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On August 31 2022 01:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also I still don't like decon but multiple people are convinced he's "playful town." I'll have to compare between him and cop and figure out who I dislike more. Why? Can't you push both or get to the bottom of why people are at odds with your own read? | ||
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I also still get the feeling it's a deep bus lol because his read on dec (while not really making much sense and actually is just a huge hedge) is a lot more nuanced and fluent comparatively. Matt looks great, I agree that Tube's post is a big shrug. It's a lot of half hearted words that seem more convincing in tone than the words that are written on the page. The rayn read (Matt's read) is kind of a stretch IMO, at least the activity bit. Activity reads are mediocre and I don't think it's in any way indicative that Rayn's enthusiasm/participation has dropped because I think he'd be keen as mafia to contribute and appear active just as much as he would be as town. Now that I know what Rayn actually meant with his post and he wasn't defending Koshi, it did trend slightly down and I think I agree with the rest of Matt's points (a lot of names thrown out etc). | ||
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On August 31 2022 06:28 Mattchew wrote: this is kinda what i meant when i said mz has nailed down his read on cc. im having a hard time distinguishing how it would be a mafia tell to have this kind of bias though because all of the updated reads feel real (like someone in the dark scum hunting) even if they are potentially confirmation bias'd I don't think he seems like he's in the dark is what I'm saying. It's gone from Cop is mafia for fluff posting and transitioned to now every single post Cop has posted has mafia agenda, there's nothing that makes him think otherwise or gives a second thought, that's why it seems just like a bus. Compare this to his Dec read, someone I think is town, and his thoughts become transparently weaker in comparison. Suddenly, not every post from Dec is mafia agenda, there's some that he points to that make him think otherwise. The thing is, I don't find what he says influences his thought process about Dec believable. It would be one thing if I just simply disagreed with the alignment he attributed to Dec and the reasons he gave made sense but... he just leaves it as an open ended hedge, says he has unanswered points about Dec and kinda doesn't even resolve to conclude anything about him. I also don't see where Dec has the dichotomy of thought MZ is saying he does. Dec doesn't say that people shading MZ are weird and also that MZ looks a bit scummy, I can see that as a misreading of Dec's post but there's only so many "misreadings" that I can take before it's just someone trying to nitpick things as mafia and IMO I think he may have crossed that boundary. Open to MZ being town for sure, it'd be pretty dope, but it'd take some convincing and maybe proper conversation about his Dec read to get there. | ||
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On August 31 2022 23:46 Rels wrote: ???? Actually???? That's not rayn is saying AT ALL? Rayn is saying "Koshi is justified on his MZ scumread. MZ got scumread for that behavior as town too". Very same post, HF is totally discarding the info that rayns bought? This doesn't parrot what rayn said, it's the exact opposite?? Why are you saying this like it's some kind of revelation? There was a whole discussion about how I misread Rayn's post. Even if I didn't and that wasn't what he was actually saying, is it some kind of post that leads you to be so confused that you drop everything and suddenly think I'm mafia? Is there a benefit to me wrongly summarising the post directly above mine? It feels a lot like you're trying to create things out of thin air. | ||
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On August 31 2022 23:34 Rels wrote: lowkey wants to start a HF wagon On August 31 2022 23:37 Rels wrote: Slam HF would make sense HF is making posts just good enough to be townread, not enough for it to be weird to not be NKd Makes a good case on his teammate, don't really push it. Let the wagons be on other person When I started to be around I wanted to talk about Slam, then didn't comment when I talked about Slam? I might be wrong about the timing though let's see This is such a bs transition too. You think my points have merit, you think Slam is kinda scummy. I think you're even voting Slam at this point(?) but you somehow transition to "lowkey" wanting to vote me as an associative before you've even wagoned the person you actually think I'm partnered with and discovering if that's a legit concern??? | ||
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Why does that make me an alignment? | ||
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On September 01 2022 00:12 Rels wrote: This is why I hate D1. If stuff like this can't be used then what can? That makes no sense. So. You're pushing back way harder than I'm pushing. I'm forcing myself to share ideas, stop being so butthurt about it. It's not strong, OK. But it's something like, you were self conscious enough to see that rayn had mentioned to same point? This is why I thought that post was weird in the first place. So, self conscious enough to deflect a potential criticism, but not enough to understand what was being said? Showing a tendency towards yourself more than towards others? And that's a scum trait? Something like that. You're making me type a lot of words so that might appear to be like, a strong argument. It's not so. But I feel like it's might be a small thing. No, you shouldn't feel put out because you decided to start to lowkey want to vote someone you: A) Agree with their ideas about a scum read you're voting. B) Think has townie posts. It's also the way you've gone about the entire situation. You've raised a point; that I made a post mentioning Rayn (what's wrong with being self aware that someone posted the exact same thing above me that I wanted to say after having read the thread?) but then in the posts after you've actually bothered to read context, contradict your original point and then walk back on it. The problem I have with what you are doing is that you are just performatively scum hunting. Your thoughts displayed are erratic and not well thought out because you would rather jump on something rather than trying to solve the situation instead. You did this with this post and you did it with the "not wanting to talk about Slam" post. Back to back. Why even float that you'd want to vote me if you didn't actually want to do that and it's "not that strong really"??? | ||
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On September 01 2022 00:28 Rels wrote: How does that make me scum though? I'm pretty fucking logical and not erratic as scum. I never get lynched early for example, and win most of the time. It only happens as town that I get MLd early. To make you react. ##vote rels I have absolutely 0% faith that you posted you lowkey wanted to vote me to get me to react. I can think of no conceivable thought process of "I town read his posts, he's been a bit inactive, let's float the idea that he's mafia with the guy I'm scum reading and he's scum reading to bait his reaction for the lols". I think you're trying to find someone to wagon and floated my name out there to test the waters. | ||
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On September 01 2022 00:28 Rels wrote: How does that make me scum though? I'm pretty fucking logical and not erratic as scum. I never get lynched early for example, and win most of the time. It only happens as town that I get MLd early. To make you react. Erratic in terms of trying to fling things out and get them to stick, it doesn't mean it's not calculated or logical. It's easy to make a hypothesis for your argument, then appear to either "solve it" if it contradicts the original hypothesis or "prove it true" if it fits with your original narrative. I would expect you would be far more likely to fact check what you're originally saying and then be sure about it ESPECIALLY on someone you kind of town read and you should be sort of mind melding with because you say I pointed out Slam's worst post in the thread?????? | ||
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On September 01 2022 00:52 Rels wrote: can you quote? In a meeting so I can't really investigate No real scum reads, only scum read list just happened in his last post and was: On August 31 2022 13:15 Tubesock wrote: my vote preference is Rels, MZ, Vivax, Chezinu. Rels read is that Rels asked Rayn to play and then didn't play ??? and I didn't care for any of the jock / rels conversation. Didn't peak any interest. Rels looks worse there. ???MZ because Copcake, Jock, and MZ are overall neutral for me. They do towny things that can be mimicked, but I disagree on several things they say soooooo yeah. MZ sure nitpicked it. I didn't already decide at the time that would be weird. But it's easy to say that early game list posts get nitpicked a lot. I missed who didn't care but said they would. #493 in response to Rayn calling out Tube for not following up on nitpcikers.MZ on the other hand looks more like he was looking for stuff to find. Which we all do. I so far have disagreed with about everything that I can think of he's said. Vivax: I like this Vivax. I usually disagree (not that he's said much about the game) with him but his town light is usually bright and disruptive. that's it ???Chezinu ???????? no mention He keeps posting little things like: HF doesn't pocket anyone lol. Soft TMI meta read on meOn August 31 2022 09:08 Tubesock wrote: That's how Rayn scumhunts. He looks at what HE expects people to think or do if they're town and if they don't meet that then he thinks they're mafia. Not sure why he got so triggered just now but meh. He's not really talking game mechanics like you're saying it. On August 31 2022 08:10 Tubesock wrote: Dude you nitpick everyone all the time haha that's not indicative of you at all. And you always misread some stuff and make it rayn on people. That's not indicative either for you. TMI meta reads on Rayn His reads themselves all look like they're not scum hunting but soft defending people from accusations. It's happened with Jock, it happened with Dec, it's happened with Rayn | ||
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On September 01 2022 02:28 CopCake wrote: Tbh rels part of the reason why I consider you are mafia is your thinking progression, on the other hand now seeing that you went against HF, I consider that would be like a stupid mafia move. I don't see mafia rels winning something out of it. In mafia rels eyes, I would let town misslynch, maybe pocket and sheep someone, then disappear, then come back and be like "Oh sorry guys busy" Tinfoiling atm. TMI that I'm town possibly | ||
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On September 01 2022 01:57 Rels wrote: How is this one TMI? Yeah this one might be. He doesn't really know my meta anymore, especially not after I've played quite a while on MU. To soft defend me in this way IMO is TMI because: A) He knows I'm town B) He says meta he thinks fits for that situation If he was a townie in the dark I don't think he would defend me in this way, more like "I don't think HF likes to pocket". It's too definitive for someone whose alignment he shouldn't know. | ||
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On September 01 2022 03:31 CopCake wrote: It work both ways, there was a wagon... why would you change the direction? And even if you were mafia and rels was your partner, it doesn't make sense to stage a fight when there was little time. What wagon did who change direction on? I think it makes sense to stage a fight, it's a good strategy and it was quite a while before deadline. Especially since I didn't even end up voting rels. Isn't that a bit weird to you? | ||
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On September 01 2022 03:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also all you euros who are suddenly active, it's frustrating you weren't around an hour prior to discuss what was going on. Looking at you koshi and hf. I retired from mafia specifically because I don't have time to play and want to prioritise my actual life and responsibilities. I only came back because Grack begged me to. So, yeah, I'll go do life stuff in favour of having to be around at deadline. Think I made my stances clear and we also talked about Dec during the night and Rayn brought up his past meta games (and I concluded this game looked most like his town game). So even then, there was plenty to talk about that, which I noticed nobody did. | ||
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Please do that at your earliest convenience. | ||
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To be fair, I didn't really want to wagon MZ at deadline, I just didn't realise when it was. I would have voted Tube. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Let's ignore that instead of calling the people who didn't appear around deadline mafia because they were likely just complacent and afk (with 3 "town" wagons), MZ just said we were annoying instead | ||
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On September 01 2022 03:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright sweet you're not reading the thread. As I previously said, I can't read slam. But I can't for the life of me figure a scenario where slam hard defends rels and is scum. Decon dies and flips town, now slam is under suspicion for lynching town. If Rels is scum and dies, now slam is under suspicion for defending flipped scum. No matter what happens, slam puts himself under a microscope which is not where scum want to be. The simplest solution is that slam is town, townread rels, and didn't want to lynch him. While tube puts himself under less pressure than slam, he also participates in the eod vote switching, which if the lynch was really town v town v town as I suspect since I'm still town reading rels, I just don't see why scum tube would get involved. Far easier to sit back and wait for the deadline to pass and then hop in with excuses. And believe me, I work too. I got 5 hours of sleep so I could be around at the deadline and I'm about to leave for work again. These games happen so rarely around here now I was kinda hoping people were going to put in more effort. Why would mafia not want to save mafia? That's a bit of a stretch? Also, I have read. I think "not being able to read slam" is a cop out. You can disassociate the name and still interact with points made against him. The rest is okay, thanks | ||
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You lost points for your post because I thought you were defending Koshi from being miseliminated based on a previous game's outcome, which in the end was a good look. It turned out you weren't doing that but were talking about MZ, which is sort of doing the same thing as the original point about Koshi but there's a threefold reason why it's a net negative: 1) You're defending MZ against aggression without countering Koshi's points and just using meta which I just don't really like anymore and MZ hadn't even replied yet. 2) You were originally double defending Koshi and propping him up as a townie bastion (at least in my mind) but that disappeared when I actually learned what the sentence was about, so the post kinda just becomes an exercise in "Is this TMI or not?" rather than "This is a meta read that he's using to bolster his original thought". 3) At the time (and still kinda maybe) I thought MZ was mafia so ez ----- points for you. A lot of your post is phrased like a detraction from me, like you're trying to scum read me but then you just jump into calling Rels mafia and Tube mafia lol? Why not just ask me a question about it? Tube is absolutely mafia though. | ||
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raynpelikoneet Dandel Ion Rels Jockmcplop CopCake Meapak_Ziphh Alakaslam Chezinu Vivax Tubesock Game is kinda scuffed if this is my reads list lol | ||
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On September 02 2022 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait why is Rels town in your opinion now? Game was kinda dead, he brought life to it. The amount of scummy LHF pushing for his wagon is above critical mass enough that I think mafia are just pushing there because it's a free place to hide currently. The voracity of people gunning for him doesn't equate to how people have been pushing him. I made some posts, Dandel made a case, Jock kind of interacted with it yet it's not those 3 names that are really clamouring for his head currently, it's just a weird vague consensus where these other people don't really explain why they want to vote rels. | ||
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On September 02 2022 05:42 CopCake wrote: All game you talked about slam and then is vivax and his friends. Elaborate? #vote: rels Why aren't you voting for MZ? Can't see anything in your filte that should make you vote rels over MZ when you were very confident on him yesterday. | ||
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On September 02 2022 20:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Because Rels is mafia I'll vote for rels after you've voted for tube | ||
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On September 03 2022 06:38 Tubesock wrote: Got caught in the shenanigans moment. And something about Rels made me 2nd guess myself. It's like pulling teeth. What is "something"? | ||
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On September 03 2022 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: dude you need to help me out here, it's getting annoying all over again.. :/ Me? :D | ||
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On September 03 2022 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: not anymore i zen'd it out already (got beer) :p I honestly don't even know who did what at EoD tbh so probably better that way. | ||
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On September 03 2022 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am not playing anywhere aside TL, everything else is too bad experience. It's a subforum, it'd just be TL players with all the benefits of the website. Auto vote counts, better filtering experience and vote count history as of post buttons and post linking. So much more fluid to play. | ||
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On September 03 2022 08:56 Vivax wrote: I legit wish only the best for HF. I like him, but he's a bit opportunistic, which is just English tradition Gotta get inventive when stuck on an island with a bunch of ruminators while getting raided Opportunistic about what lol? | ||
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Copcake has cased MZ twice and keeps trying to make everyone look at her case but is still voting the counterwagon to Tube (rels). | ||
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On September 03 2022 09:04 Vivax wrote: Is that scum indicative? Or does it indicate something else? Yes. Unless you want to give us the TMI and say no. | ||
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Honoured to be on your list, though I don't think I'm as annoying as I used to be. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/7lEukYu.png) haha what a funny coincedence that you all just voted rels independently all of a sudden /s | ||
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On September 04 2022 02:10 Rels wrote: Hf Why is dandel your top town? he's not | ||
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that was a list for d1/early d2 it's different now | ||
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On September 04 2022 02:07 Tubesock wrote: It's kinda funny you completely missed what's going on. It's not particularly funny. I just want to play mafia and there's a lot of not doing it in this game so it's kinda boring. You're not really scum reading anyone pushing for your wagon, interacting with any of their points or presenting any other argument. | ||
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He wasn't under pressure, I don't think anyone was particularly under threat at the time he made the case. It wasn't a bad case either tbh. I don't think Dandel really comes out with it out of the blue unless it's to save a partner (and I cba to check the time he posted it vs vote count but it might be telling if we do check). Think it was just more likely he was town at that point. He's not doing anything today and pretty much ignored tube and keeps repeating going after you so just drop him down a lot. Not particularly revelationary stuff. | ||
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On September 04 2022 02:18 Chezinu wrote: I kinda of feel a bit ignored by HF... soz but yeah kinda | ||
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Vote Count: On August 31 2022 21:51 Grackaroni wrote: Day One Vote Count Meapak_Ziphh (4): Holyflare, Rels(3): Koshi, Raynpelikoneet(1): Mattchew Vivax (1): Alakaslam (1): Rels Deconduo (1): Jockmcplop CopCake (1): Dandel Ion (0): Not Voting (2): Raynpelikoneet, Deconduo With 4 votes, Meapak_Ziphh is currently set to be lynched! Please let me know if you notice any mistakes The deadline is Wednesday, Aug 31 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in Probably took ~an hour to make or a bit less so vote count then would have been Meapak_Ziphh (3): Holyflare, Rels(3): Koshi, Raynpelikoneet(1): Mattchew Vivax (1): Jockmcplop Alakaslam (1): Rels CopCake (1): Not Voting (4): Raynpelikoneet, Deconduo, Vivax, Chezinu, Meapak_Ziphh Could be a save MZ play I guess if you think about it. Maybe I'll read into it. | ||
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Alakaslam, Raynpelikoneet, Mattchew, Jock, Cop is mafia trying to save him? Is he getting bussed for 0 reason when Tube is super easy to vote for with almost 0 repercussions? | ||
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On September 03 2022 22:58 CopCake wrote: Btw HF if you want my wisdom, I think Tubestock change feels more of a “player who is not 100%” sure of his reads, with the chaotic thread, seeing people talking fast and no one believing mz or rels so he just believed the rest of the town and hoped for the best. I have seen this before in games, I have been in that position, not specific eith tube. It is overwhelming. So yeah, this feels more like town than mafia to me. But like I said, who wants to lynch rels or mz? Someone? Nope. And I had been to busy to actually put that much effort, when I was writting my case I got tired of copy pasting posts. Add the “no one pays attention” to that and it feels quite… I should care for other things. At least reading slam is such a pleasure. If you want my reads Rayn is town, Dandel is town (his case of rels if chef kiss, needs to be framed), Jock is town. You and Slam are town. Tube like 70% town, maybe 80%. If he made that move as mafia… it is just… bad. Vivax and Chezinu I dont touch. But I feel that Vivax is more town than Chezinu. They are in a league of their own. Process of eliminations gives Mz, rels, matt. For this post alone | ||
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On September 04 2022 03:22 Chezinu wrote: When the time came, you did not vote for Rels. neither did you | ||
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On September 04 2022 17:49 CopCake wrote: lol HF is mafia Well played You got me. Better eliminate me tomorrow. | ||
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On September 05 2022 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: How did you come to this conclusion? If you are correct here i don't know who the other mafia even could be... She didn't acknowledge the tube points at all, she just sidestepped them, made them "make sense" from a townie perspective and then did whatever it was she was doing. If it's not TMI then I don't know what TMI is anymore. ##vote copcake | ||
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On September 05 2022 05:00 Vivax wrote: Going to bed at a normal time. Your post is TMI whoopsiedaisy No harm voting for cop then. | ||
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On September 06 2022 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare Holyflare Holyflare Holyflare Holyflare Hi | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:09 Vivax wrote: Who says you don‘t? You are around and just post about quitting and say hi Do you even have a drive to do anything positive? I also need help :D Not really to the latter. I'll try when I can. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay now ignore Vivax and then talk to me who are the last remaining mafia? Idfk I think most likely mattchew (him calling me super townie is really weird) or slam. Possibly still Cop. Do cop and rels make sense together? Not really but it is what it is. I wanna say MZ not thinking about blue sniping makes him largely more townie. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:18 Vivax wrote: Yeah, there‘s your cue. Coincidentally happens to be cop Thinking rels is mafia doesn't negate the TMI or the over propensity for really wanting rels dead over MZ who she has been pushing all game. | ||
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Wouldn't put any real stock into what I'm saying. The only people I'm clued up on what they've been typing are you/rels/cake/mz/mattchew. Everyone else is either talking politics or a whole lot of random words. Fwiw I don't think Chezinu makes videos for slam if they're partners so you can at least rule that combo out I think. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you know why Vivax is town HF? For something specific? Not really. I liked that he called me town for not giving a shit. Largely accurate (I'm just stressed out of my mind IRL with a bunch of big life events happening at the same time) and I think his page 11 of filter is pretty good at solving into the rels wagon (regarding Chezinu etc). Just kinda skimmed the rest but fine calling him townie. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes he didn't know there is exactly 3 mafia, i didn't read that either until a while ago. you can consider me for whatever you want to but i think it makes vivax 100% town 100% of the time as BH would say. Oh link that please. I had the exact opposite thought when he pointed out 3 mafia at the start of the game. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:31 Vivax wrote: IRL events? Would be interesting to know what caused those. Shame if it was me Nah, job applications/interviews, driving tests and financial woes (which interviews hopefully fix). | ||
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Nah better to just ignore it and keep him as town anyway for last few pages. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:43 Vivax wrote: You don‘t treat this like a normal game of mafia and you joined it after claiming retirement There‘s got to be something I was retired but I turned down playing with Grack before and then when he PMd me here and said I could be really inactive and still play I just thought it'd be nice to play with people I basically grew up with one last time before actually quitting for good. I didn't know how much the lack of functionality of the site really got in the way of playing though. I miss vote counts and pinging someone and the little red thing at the top telling me when there's a new post. | ||
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On September 06 2022 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: puff poff now you're quite being a dick on TL ppl. If you enjoy using it more power to you. It's not being a dick to have a preference for automation and convenience. Just nice quality of life things that mean I can just focus on the game quicker. | ||
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I'm telling Vivax why he's not in the dark, I'm just being less active than usual because I'm busy and it's less convenient to check the thread or respond when called. | ||
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On September 06 2022 23:58 Rels wrote: whelp. Looks like that is it :p GL HF on the last lynch There's 2 more after you. | ||
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Do with that information as you see fit. Gg. | ||
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On September 07 2022 03:46 Vivax wrote: HF climbs the truth ladder. Redeemed. If anyone ever makes a movie about my mafia insanity I insist on an actor I know from old school days, he‘ll appreciate a few old pics I got Jokes I got rbd | ||
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On September 07 2022 21:32 Mattchew wrote: I am not able to post again for a bit but i would love if holyflare would clarify his claim You'll get clarification when I'm dead. | ||
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If I'm alive and just roleblocked then so be it. I don't like that your first instinct is to just blindly say I'm mafia for it though, it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. | ||
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On September 07 2022 23:41 CopCake wrote: Of course it makes sense because I am town, what do you want me to believe when you say that rels and me are "same" when it is not true? And I know there are blues, I am not an idiot. Are you trying to fish? I was trying to bait someone into saying they didn't believe my check because they knew I was actually roleblocked. Since I've said I was roleblocked your continued "He is mafia" stance is just sticking out as really stale. There's also potential unaware millers in this game but you didn't really weigh that up, you just went on a massive defensive. | ||
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On September 07 2022 23:44 Holyflare wrote: I was trying to bait someone into saying they didn't believe my check because they knew I was actually roleblocked. Since I've said I was roleblocked your continued "He is mafia" stance is just sticking out as really stale. There's also potential unaware millers in this game but you didn't really weigh that up, you just went on a massive defensive. The last sentence is particularly why I think you've probably outed yourself as mafia. It's a perspective slip. I have no reason to lie about my check as town (eg, Vivax's reaction of semi-belief). If you are town, your first instinct should be to realise that I could actually have that check and that you might be an unaware miller. What other reason do I have to simply out myself on a night phase with that kind of information? There is none, simply no benefit as mafia to do it. Infinite benefit as town. What you actually did though, knowing that I was roleblocked, is to detract from that claim saying you don't believe I am a cop either because you're a godfather and wouldn't show as same, or because you roleblocked me. Who knows whether I'm still lying about being roleblocked and I actually did get a check off I'm quite sure you did out yourself though. | ||
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On September 07 2022 23:48 CopCake wrote: I never confirmed you were blocked tho or where did I say that? Reading between the lines is enough. | ||
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On September 07 2022 23:50 CopCake wrote: Like I never confirmed anything there, I am just playing the scenario and your contradictions. On September 07 2022 03:50 CopCake wrote: You didnt even want to vote for rels, how does that even make sense? Lol I did vote for Rels. I called him mafia and voted him. As mafia, you see this information and your statement isn't "Wow, maybe I'm an unaware miller!" or "I don't believe you" it's simply that I didn't even want to vote for Rels? Why does this make sense from a townie perspective of someone who is just being outed as red with no further explanation? On September 07 2022 04:24 CopCake wrote: This gives vibes of “I am the cop you idiot”. We lynch hin tomorrow. I say that I'm roleblocked. Only mafia know whether that is true or not. As a townie there's no reason not to believe I was roleblocked. I wasn't up for contention of being a wagon, I wasn't under the spotlight, there wasn't really any threat in the game to do this. Being roleblocked was actually clearing for CopCake and should make a hell of a lot more sense as town who is being wrongly accused of being mafia. You know why this reaction is the way it is? Because mafia didn't actually roleblock me, Cop knows that and knows I'm town. The only other explanation that makes sense for me to lie in this scenario is the exact one she presents "I'm a cop you idiot vibes", where I'm a townie faking that I'm cop. She still believes I'm simply mafia that did a 0-1% beneficial play because she's simply in a world where she has to view my play as mafia indicative instead of reevaluating it. On September 07 2022 23:38 CopCake wrote: Then when he is alive "Oh no I got blocked (like he said before) and mafia kept me alive for a misslynch", yet he says "he has results" There is no out here for me to simply be town. She has shut down every avenue and not evaluated this with a head that's looking to solve. It's simply all just mafia scenarios and narratives because it's what she has to do. | ||
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On September 07 2022 23:51 CopCake wrote: You wouldn't go after me when you have been calling me mafia forever????? And do you want me to believe that you are a cop when you wanted to quit the game? Did I actually quit the game? No. Was it enough of a cover to stop mafia killing me during the nights and get my checks off? Yes. Am I playing? Yes. Have I been playing the game? Yes. Did I evaluate candidates to eliminate yesterday and then pick Rels, who was my cop check so I could get definitive information on my checks' alignments? Yes. | ||
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On September 08 2022 00:32 CopCake wrote: And your super duper "cool" move is extremely flawed. What happens if town vigilante vigs me? if there is one? Did you consider there I could be an unaware miller if you had a cop check that came like that? No, it is actually problematic and I could die. You know, the less people the better for mafia. But of course, I am the one who is "closed minded" and didn't consider scenarios. If they vig you and you're an unaware miller than I confirm myself as town. Slim chance that scenario plays out anyway. Also why I retracted to a rb into announcing it finally at the end of night. | ||
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I also think she semi slipped d1 in the Rels/me fight parroting Rels' argument of "as mafia Rels would never go aggro against me knowing I'd fight back". It says to me that she didn't think of: 1) Worlds where Rels and I were mafia together (and even now she's left that out of her pushes on me) 2) Worlds where I'm mafia and Rels was town (because TMI) 3) Worlds where Rels and I were both town. She simply picked the correct explanation that I was town and defended Rels with his own bs argument. | ||
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On September 08 2022 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think Cake is mafia as what i said regarding Rels. Please look and tell me if you feel otherwise, i am open to a lot of things right now, i'd like to have done more shit here but i can't. I am thinking Chezinu claimed green at some point and i considered it legit hahaha. Slam can defs be mafia. I haven't read any filters, just followed along when i can so.... If Slam is mafia why does Rels go vote Slam like that D1? The basis of your original case on Rels? I don't remember any EoD1 because I didn't read it so maybe I'll go look back at it. I think I remember MZ writing some words about why Rels was town for it or something so probably a good starting point. | ||
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On September 08 2022 03:41 Mattchew wrote: i think i won the game You were the most obvious blue. Congrats. Shouldn't have posted about it though. | ||
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On September 08 2022 03:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Parity cop Tubesock N1 Mattchew N2 - same Copcake N3 - different This should have been really obvious given how I 180'd my read on Matt after N2. And I'm getting a strong suspicion slam is the final scum. I think I love you :D | ||
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On September 08 2022 04:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: So MZ has a different check on Cake and someone who was town and flipped? No, he has a different on Mattchew who is a claimed doctor/JK and Cop. | ||
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On September 08 2022 04:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your fakeclaim was pretty flawed and stupid so i am considering all options pardon me. My fake claim was exactly what happened if I was a town parity cop??? Blocked by Mattchew, same check on Rels/Cop is identical to what's exactly happening now. Just sub Rels for Mattchew. | ||
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On September 08 2022 04:25 Holyflare wrote: I'm assuming matt thinks I'm the parity cop who got rbed and he JKd me n1. In which case, there's a very slim possibility rayn got JKd while sending the shot but I'll leave that for later wifom. | ||
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Because he said I was confirmed town and the only way I'd ever be confirmed is if my claim was true (parity cop that was RBd). | ||
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On September 08 2022 04:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: but you can't be parity cop if MZ is parity cop 100% Yes I know. What's your point lol? | ||
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On September 08 2022 04:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont care if you were a butterfly but you claimed you were blocked by Mattchew that you can't know. Again, what's the concept you're struggling to understand? Why would Mattchew think I was confirmed town otherwise? | ||
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On September 08 2022 05:02 Alakaslam wrote: So in other words he doesn't anymore, and the reason was that you claimed blue and he believed it as he is new to the village and hasn't heard you crying wolf yet Oh, you're reading into it that he just believed I was confirmed town for the claim alone? I'm not sure that's what he said. I read it as he thought I was confirmed town because I said exactly what happened. | ||
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Yes. Your argument is worth absolutely 0 before Matt has confirmed whether he's actually JK or doc. | ||
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On September 08 2022 03:37 Holyflare wrote: Chezinu/Slam/Cop needs to be looked into imo. Gross but probably contains 2. Also btw. Mattchew was the most obvious blue in the game and he basically outed himself last night. If I can pick that up as town then I sure as hell would have as mafia lol. | ||
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Regardless, the asking me to clarify after I said I was RBd at least pays a bit extra credence to him being a JK that thought I was legit after I said what he did. | ||
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On September 08 2022 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i guess Mattchew is 100% protective role, doc or JK. MZ is parity cop, who has Cake as different. Holyflare claims he knows he has been rb'd, but he is VT apparently. Mafia roleblocker? Idk HF is mafia 100% of the time atm i think. HF can't know as VT if he is roleblocked or not. The only way you keep saying this when you know that Mattchew being doc discredits all of it is if you are mafia and actually got your shot stopped by him I think. Doesn't really make sense that you keep pushing this so hard any other way. | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: unless you're re-claiming. are you? ??? You've asked me who mafia is with cake actually 3 times and I quote the same "Look into slam/chezinu/cop it contains 2 mafia" numerous times. | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is your case about the bait or something real HF? The case on cop about baiting mafia to out themselves? It was another bait but I think it worked successfully. Reached the conclusion Cake was mafia without even needing the check. | ||
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In my head, I'm thinking "Hmm, I guess if it was accurate maybe her reaction would be a bit different. It's possible they tried to rb me when I was playing under the radar kinda and claimed VT on n1 or n2 (which is weird for me)" so I claimed rb to try and string it out even further. Copcake reacted again calling it an "I'm a cop you idiot" kinda play but what I thought was really really bad was that she wanted to eliminate me for it when I wasn't CCd, the night hadn't ended and being a parity is just self resolving. I think as a townie she's overwhelmingly likely to just write it off and not care about it until there's further information but she kept hammering on about wanting to wagon me today and how it's obvious I'm just gonna claim rb again and be alive. There was no thought here about townie motivations for my play whatsoever. I wrote about how she hadn't even factored in being an unaware miller or anything like that and it still stands. It's only today that she's internalised how I said she would have reacted and used that when MZ claimed parity with a check on cop On September 08 2022 04:10 CopCake wrote: This is so bullshit if I ended up to be the unaware miller so let it be it On September 07 2022 23:46 Holyflare wrote: The last sentence is particularly why I think you've probably outed yourself as mafia. It's a perspective slip. I have no reason to lie about my check as town (eg, Vivax's reaction of semi-belief). If you are town, your first instinct should be to realise that I could actually have that check and that you might be an unaware miller. What other reason do I have to simply out myself on a night phase with that kind of information? There is none, simply no benefit as mafia to do it. Infinite benefit as town. What you actually did though, knowing that I was roleblocked, is to detract from that claim saying you don't believe I am a cop either because you're a godfather and wouldn't show as same, or because you roleblocked me. Who knows whether I'm still lying about being roleblocked and I actually did get a check off I'm quite sure you did out yourself though. A solid A+ post. | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont know but Mattchew already said this: which made me believe that HF was jailed at some point. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME BELIEVING IT LOL | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are VT you dont know if you are rb'd or not what the fuck is so hard to understand for you in that????????????????? mafia. If you can think "this post could mean mattchew rbd hf n1" but can't equivocate that with me maybe thinking that was the case too (as a VT theorising whether my claim was good or bad) then I'll just laugh at you for the rest of my mafia career. | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You claimed both VT and rb'd. You are mafia. READ! I did not claim both. You said "Your claim was shit HF" and I said "My claim would have been exactly the same if I was a parity cop because Mattchew looks like he RBd me so everything I said last night would have been accurate". If you can't piece together why I think he RBd me (I read into him saying I was confirmed town as him seeing I claimed being RBd last night and he was the one who did it and therefore thought my claim was legitimate - what I actually missed was that he said he just thought I was blue rather than anything about the RB) then I don't know what to tell you. That's a comprehension issue on your part, no matter how adamant you are that you're correct. | ||
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I faked being RB to bait out a reaction and I simply pieced together Copcake's reactions to determine whether she was mafia or not, independently of whether or not I was actually RBd. That's also why I ran the claim back AGAIN and said I would claim my checks at the end of the night, just in case I wasn't RBd and mafia gets confused and maybe wastes a RB on me because they're afraid. | ||
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I have no conceivable way to get through to you if you just don't listen to a word I write. Why is what I said about Mattchew's posts indicating it looked like I was RBd unbelievable IF YOU THINK THE SAME THING? | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:53 Chezinu wrote: HF is a veteran at this game. This tracks. I should know, I'm an excellent tracker. | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure if i even want to do shit and if this is your "contribution" then we can fuck off I contributed, I found two mafia. If you can't handle being wrong when you didn't want to listen to actual evidence and re-evaluate then that's on you. Don't blame me for you not reading my actual words or understanding what I'm saying, that's insanely rude. | ||
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On September 08 2022 06:58 Vivax wrote: Like, Tracker sees MZ claim and just...Nothing? I don't believe in two town investigatives, would be too low level setup for the games we used to have How do I facepalm harder? | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have voted mafia more than you, go figure. We've both voted one mafia, not sure how that works out. | ||
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I'm clarifying that I did contribute. It's not a dick measuring contest, that's a strawman on your part. If you did case and vote for mafia then I'm happy for you but it's rude to say I haven't contributed when I have been trying to get people to see Cop as mafia for a long while. I want our last game together to go smoothly. You just have to admit you're wrong from time to time and got overzealous instead of hurling insults at the person you were wrong about. That'd be a nice way to end at least. | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:07 Vivax wrote: My English contacts told me he likes to hang out in toilets at parks. Jock was last seen at a park Ironic considering I never ever step foot in public restrooms. Can't stand them and always hold it in until I get home :D | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I agree, it's not my case that you have not contributed. Nah, you said you found two mafia, who is the second one? Where is the evidence, that's the case. I don't care about the case on Cop, you said you found TWO MAFIA and you havent presented the other one. Okay. I wont be annoying, but i also wont be giving you leeway for shit reasons, make your case for NOT being mafia, okay? Rels on day 1 and finally came around to it again yesterday. If Slam is mafia then also him too I guess, but not sure about that (I actually think Chezinu has been the most hesitant about voting on these wagons so it's probably him - and make this my case for third mafia finding :D). I got shaken off Rels but only because so many LHF scummy people wanted to vote him. Just happened mafia were going down the insane bus route for no apparent reason (at this point I'm assuming Rels said he didn't want to play and to bus him if needed). I never said it was your case but your last post on the page before this said "If this is all you're gonna contribute you can fuck off" or something to that effect. So, yeah. Sure. Your case is to do with Mattchew who now confirmed he didn't actually RB me, so there's no case for me being mafia existing anymore. It was just you getting carried away about something you read too far into and that's fine. I don't want to burn that bridge. I misunderstood something Mattchew said and reacted negatively when you called my claim shit when it actually probably found CopCake as mafia for it. I don't take well to negativity about things I do, especially from someone I regard so well (and when it was most likely effective). | ||
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But if your case is now you know I wasn't acutally RBd but I knew I was RBd by a non-existing role then I can't fight against it. | ||
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Copcake is mafia with rels (parity claim) => "Discredit" I claim RBd => "I'm a cop you idiot vibes" I rescind the RB => "HF is mafia" Mattchew "confirms me wrongly as town" => "DONT LISTEN TO THIS WRONG INFORMATION AHHH SO UNFAIR" The moment I said I was actually RBd it became DISCREDIT/I'm a cop you idiot vibes and the only reason it became that instead of belief/indifference is because mafia knew they didn't RB me so I'm just a townie fake claiming. You could ask "what about the scenario where you were protected n1 by a JK or something" and I'll tell you that I hadn't really thought of that scenario but at that point I think Cop was just going off gut instinct replies instead so I don't think she really thought about it either. | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: My case is that you are not blue any you are confusing the shit out if this. I am not blue and I made that clear at the start of the day lol. | ||
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Have already responded about that, should read as obviously sarcasm. | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: like i dont understand any of this shit It's fine, it's esoteric. I acknowledge that the reasoning for Cop being mafia would only really make sense to me or someone that thinks in the mindset that I was thinking at night and that's okay lol. | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: which is why i find it all more confusing, you call cake mafia because of a narrative you found out when blue but you are actually not blue?!?!?!? Being blue or not had nothing to do with it. What's hard to understand here? I can clarify it further. What part of my reasoning do I ever use based on me being actually blue? | ||
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What's this got to do with me being blue? This is about stuff she posted d1 that makes sense as TMI posts (I've pointed it out before). When Rels and I were fighting, Rels came up with the excuse "I'd never pick a fight with HF as mafia, it doesn't make sense" and then copcake picked up the same reasoning (and stopped scum reading rels I BELIEVE(???)) using Rels' own reasoning. I think it's quite likely that mafia partners inherently copy their partner's words and thoughts subconsciously like that. I think it was a convenient excuse to stop scum reading Rels AND I think it was TMI because cop just assumed that I was town straight off the bat to come to that conclusion in the first place. | ||
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On September 08 2022 07:45 CopCake wrote: His bullshit “I am a cop and got cake and rels same” at night, ig there was/is a town vig I would had been dead. That thing is so anti town. On September 07 2022 03:33 Holyflare wrote: Copcake and rels same. Do with that information as you see fit. Gg. Less than 20 minutes between rescinding it. The only people to post in between were you, Chezinu and Vivax. Why is that so anti town that it threatened a vig to shoot you? | ||
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Although Mattchew did kinda out himself at night at least :D But like people have said to you repeatedly, I do that shit as town ALL THE TIME. It's my MO, my bread and butter. So, why this time is it anti town and mafia and not just anti town and me being town? | ||
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I enjoy it and that's what's most important to me. | ||
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On September 08 2022 08:00 CopCake wrote: And why cant you assume I am a miller of there is a confirmed cop? But no I am mafia who coreographed shit with rels and repeated the same thing. You are the one who didn’t want to vote for rels. I thought you were mafia so I'm more inclined to believe you are mafia from the check, rather than a miller. It's very possible you are still a miller and I'm open to play around with the perspective you are a miller and solve the game like that if you want. I'd never shut down talking about that perspective. But at the end of the day there's not a chance you're not being eliminated. | ||
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On September 06 2022 23:42 Chezinu wrote: ##Vote: Rels On September 07 2022 02:07 Grackaroni wrote: Day Three Vote Count Rels (7): Vivax, CopCake, Raynpelikoneet, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Holyflare CopCake (1): Not Voting (2): Jockmcplop, Mattchew With 7 votes, Rels is currently set to be lynched! The deadline is Tuesday, Sep 06 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in You actually highlighted something useful. I wasn't the last person to vote Rels, Chez was. For some reason Grack didn't include him in any of the vote counts after that. Either way, I don't think I played for most of the game day Rels got wagoned so I have no qualms about my vote timing. It shouldn't really mean anything to you. | ||
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On September 08 2022 08:18 CopCake wrote: I still think HF had no option but vote him 🤷🏽♀️ And separate your point of view here and put yourself in a town HF's shoes. What do I do in that circumstance? | ||
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Why assume that though? | ||
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On September 08 2022 23:44 Vivax wrote: You say that when cop is included in a pairing? Cmon bruh You wanna push MZ + Chez or something? Well half correct then. I meant I'm not in any of the teams. | ||
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On September 09 2022 00:25 Vivax wrote: TL is such a good place for forum mafia though. The interface is purist, you don‘t have all the extra features, fancy avatars that secretly manipulate you. All text and no bullshit. I get the appeal of complexity in sites but I guess I like simple things. Especially when the game of mafia isn‘t really about visuals, unless you try to cover up that the writing is meh with extra features. It‘s cool when you manage to pull off stuff like conjuring a chessboard or interactive games but not seen many who bother to pull that off. /ramble end | ||
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On September 09 2022 17:33 CopCake wrote: First thing that came to my mind is that you want a hard hammer over my head lol. But enjoy it! It is your last game. What is your favorite “mafia move” you have made on this site? Fave mafia team you have been? Game in which you lost but the opposite team was so cool/good that you ended up enjoying it? On September 08 2022 08:02 Holyflare wrote: I thought you were mafia so I'm more inclined to believe you are mafia from the check, rather than a miller. It's very possible you are still a miller and I'm open to play around with the perspective you are a miller and solve the game like that if you want. I'd never shut down talking about that perspective. But at the end of the day there's not a chance you're not being eliminated. Favourite mafia move is definitely being red checked and still winning the game (mafia in the himalayas or something I think?) :D I can't think of a single mafia team other than one on MU I was in one time where someone on my team was just as try hard as me and we won an award for it or something. The mafia universe championship finale. I've never felt so fooled by a player that good before (alexa). She made like 40 different google documents of notes and I don't think I ever suspected her once in the game other than right at the start. And I came third in player votes for it so hey I was the best townie or something apparently. | ||
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On September 08 2022 10:00 Alakaslam wrote: Thank you. So Rayn confirmed town. This is even more precedent I would say HF MZ On September 08 2022 13:08 Alakaslam wrote: I'm not. If cop is scum, the path forward is easy and I will probably just roll over and hope y'all hit with the final lynch. Probably Slam. This was a weird train of thought. If you flip town it's easy to see this as a perspective slip. Don't think it makes any sense whatsoever in any world (other than someone being mafia) that you'd flip just VT | ||
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Chezinu is Chezinu. Literally 0 idea what he'd flip. | ||
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On September 09 2022 22:23 Chezinu wrote: ##vote: holyflare Pretty opportunistic. | ||
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On September 10 2022 00:25 Vivax wrote: But tbh, this attack on me could be what outs you if cop is mafia. Psychology time: It's like you see the counterwagon forming as an opportunity but are afraid to switch to it, so the next reaction you think of is to put blame on the one who started it. I don't think I want to go down that road yet, but noting this. It's that typical reaction of 'can't have it, so let's talk it down to maintain the inner peace' Are you calling rayn mafia lol? | ||
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On September 10 2022 01:05 Vivax wrote: Guess I‘m not after you found it funny Vote stays on then Funny how reactions work It's funny because of the hoops you'd have to jump through to get to him being mafia after a no kill and a doctor claiming they saved him. | ||
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On September 10 2022 03:05 Mattchew wrote: Hf i might have saved you god fucking damn it | ||
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On September 10 2022 01:35 Holyflare wrote: It's funny because of the hoops you'd have to jump through to get to him being mafia after a no kill and a doctor claiming they saved him. Vivax literally outed himself. GG NO RE 100% vote him with fiery vengeance tomorrow. | ||
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Vivax forgot Mattchew "saved" Rayn (because he has the extra information Mattchew saved me) and slipped up loooooool | ||
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On September 10 2022 03:10 Mattchew wrote: Do we think that mz checks vivax They likely have a rber so it's kinda redundant imo but yes he should. But either way it's basically confirmed. | ||
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On September 10 2022 03:14 Holyflare wrote: dw lol extremely extremely confident he outed himself and I won't hear any other explanation | ||
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From Rayn's perspective (as mafia) he knows his shot was on me. Now, the only way that is stopped is if he was JKd or I was JKd or protected. Mattchew comes out saying he protected Rayn but not whether it was a JK or a doc. We get into a whole fight about me saying something about being roleblocked. Now, in Rayn's mind, he doesn't assume Mattchew is lying about saving him. He assumes he got JKd so he pre-emptively goes off on me KNOWING his argument must be correct that Mattchew is a jailkeeper. Remember how I said to wait for Mattchew to reveal before going off on it and he didn't? Yeah, I think that's likely the 2nd scenario that plays out after Vivax tbh. We'll see though. | ||
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On September 10 2022 06:05 Vivax wrote: HF trying too hard in night phase Keep It Simple Stupid So it is just you? :D | ||
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On September 10 2022 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is also night 4 and he saved me N3 so no three saves for you man :D ??? He didn't save you | ||
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On September 10 2022 06:59 Mattchew wrote: There was literally 0 doubt to what i said. I meant that the night dandel died i probably saved you, i have also posted twice my exact saves Yeah it's fine now I've actually read what you said :D | ||
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On September 10 2022 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: From what you believed at the time how is this possible? I believed Mattchew lied about saving you and saved me every single night. So I got saved this cycle and presumably cycle 1/2 when I've assumed they're most likely to use their vig shot. But he actually saved you so I'm making the assumption still they vigged me one of the nights still. | ||
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On September 10 2022 22:55 Vivax wrote: I just play mafia. Whatever I look like while doing it, I don't care about. A good philosophy to live by. | ||
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On September 10 2022 06:04 Holyflare wrote: If Vivax is town I vote rayn after. From Rayn's perspective (as mafia) he knows his shot was on me. Now, the only way that is stopped is if he was JKd or I was JKd or protected. Mattchew comes out saying he protected Rayn but not whether it was a JK or a doc. We get into a whole fight about me saying something about being roleblocked. Now, in Rayn's mind, he doesn't assume Mattchew is lying about saving him. He assumes he got JKd so he pre-emptively goes off on me KNOWING his argument must be correct that Mattchew is a jailkeeper. Remember how I said to wait for Mattchew to reveal before going off on it and he didn't? Yeah, I think that's likely the 2nd scenario that plays out after Vivax tbh. We'll see though. | ||
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On September 11 2022 11:33 Alakaslam wrote: The fact that HF is pushing rayn is the biggest thing implicating HF right now. I am so wtf on that. Rayn is basically clear by mechanics, might not be but here is the thing, If rayn was the scum I would see him doing what HF is doing not the other way around. The scum wants the most townread player dead first, so they can stand among weak ass mislynch target townies. They only need two more, after all. If we mislynch, we only get one more shot. I would expect scum to vote right away on the toughest ML target possible. How is he clear by mechanics? | ||
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On September 11 2022 11:58 Vivax wrote: ##Vote: Holyflare Good ol' scum or bad or lacks faith in people All equally bad If you want to play in a way that doesn't interact with arguments and skirts around meaningful interaction about valid points and diminish them to "that's just bad faith" instead of providing why, or delving into Rayn's mindset at the time then that's your prerogative. Calling you bad for it is mine. | ||
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On September 11 2022 22:44 Vivax wrote: Right The question is...Are you even scum? Why should rayn be? Got to reread Slam and Chez, and wonder why it's not matt who was the NK. That doesn't seem like your signature Yes, that's the question and that's what I set out to answer.... With reasoning. Please interact with the reasoning. | ||
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Mafia NK was saved. Mafia shot is on Rayn. Nobody has any reason to doubt Mattchew saving Rayn. Will investigate responses. First thing that springs into mind is Slam correcting me about Mattchew's posts. Very possible it's slam here. Mafia NK was Rayn and was blocked OR mafia NK was me and was saved (before Mattchew revealed). Mafia knows there's a jailkeeper or doctor in the game. Since I claimed blue that was roleblocked, mafia assume that's what happened (although still very likely they just have a rber anyway) and that there is a JKer. Rayn fits this scenario because he spent the whole beginning of the day saying I'm mafia for knowing I was RBd BUT he wouldn't wait for Mattchew to reveal whether he was doctor or JKer to determine whether his case was actually correct. When Mattchew revealed his doctor (important) was on Rayn, instead of backing down completely Rayn STILL believed his case on me had merit. THIS IS ONLY POSSIBLE IF HE KNOWS IT CAN'T HAVE BEEN HIM THAT WAS SAVED BY A DOCTOR. Thus, it's extremely probable Rayn knew a JKer was in play and tried to preempt Mattchew saying he RBed me and fucked up. | ||
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On August 31 2022 11:55 Rels wrote: Let's see who's left. I would vote Vivax over Tube dec and Mattchew too, even though I don't have a strong read on them. Just because they have tried more. Chez lol. I've never been able to read him. On September 02 2022 11:52 Rels wrote: Welcome back to the game mate What do you mean, nothing's changed from D1? Maybe you had random lists here and there but I don't remember a single reasoning? What are your reasons for, like, all of these? :p Especially Chez TBH? On September 03 2022 12:27 Rels wrote: Tube is scum Tube / Dandel / one of CC / Mattchew is where I'm at combined with On September 03 2022 13:18 Rels wrote: well, going to sleep. If you all want to make me happy, Dandel being the second wagon instead of me would be a perfect present Not that Tube is not scum. But Dandel is too, and don't even care to play Amending my list to Dandel / Tube / one of CC / Mattchew / Chez, who I totally forgot :p On August 31 2022 23:02 CopCake wrote: I could change my vote for rels. But I want to know what people think of my MZ case? I put effort and boom, ignored in the sand. I also wonder why chezinu voted me. And from now on I should call Jock as Detective J. ???? self aware partner vote On September 01 2022 15:14 CopCake wrote: I feel betrayed by chezinu On September 03 2022 22:58 CopCake wrote: Btw HF if you want my wisdom, I think Tubestock change feels more of a “player who is not 100%” sure of his reads, with the chaotic thread, seeing people talking fast and no one believing mz or rels so he just believed the rest of the town and hoped for the best. I have seen this before in games, I have been in that position, not specific eith tube. It is overwhelming. So yeah, this feels more like town than mafia to me. But like I said, who wants to lynch rels or mz? Someone? Nope. And I had been to busy to actually put that much effort, when I was writting my case I got tired of copy pasting posts. Add the “no one pays attention” to that and it feels quite… I should care for other things. At least reading slam is such a pleasure. If you want my reads Rayn is town, Dandel is town (his case of rels if chef kiss, needs to be framed), Jock is town. You and Slam are town. Tube like 70% town, maybe 80%. If he made that move as mafia… it is just… bad. Vivax and Chezinu I dont touch. But I feel that Vivax is more town than Chezinu. They are in a league of their own. Process of eliminations gives Mz, rels, matt. After bringing up betrayal she just ignores Chez and moves on to talking about his videos and nothing more. Chez is thrown into words salads (naming lots of players and throwing a partner in) repeatedly by both of them. Especially rels goes back and corrects his list to specifically add Chez. | ||
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On September 12 2022 12:54 Chezinu wrote: It is complete!!! Rels was frustrated Rayn was frustrated Copcake was frustrated Lol this copcake post assumes I'm a vet, likely because they shot me and I didn't die :D | ||
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On September 12 2022 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like this is the only thing i can see "against" Chezinu. There is a lot more scummy shit on Slam and Vivax, both of them. And this is shitty because it has nothing Chezinu has done. I feel bad even thinking this could be the correct answer. That's not true. Chez's vote history is flip floppy and shit. Vivax pointed out he tried to save Rels on d1 I believe by flip flopping between dec and Rels. He voted last on Rels when Rels was eliminated and I don't remember what he did on the tubesock day. | ||
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On September 12 2022 13:02 Holyflare wrote: That's not true. Chez's vote history is flip floppy and shit. Vivax pointed out he tried to save Rels on d1 I believe by flip flopping between dec and Rels. He voted last on Rels when Rels was eliminated and I don't remember what he did on the tubesock day. Slams vote history is so bad lol nvm | ||
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Why??? Chezinu invoking his "tell" is just useless if he's already used it once. I don't respect trust tells/seals and if he has to invoke one to not get eliminated then I'd rather just flat out policy him instead. High likelihood he's just mafia still and on the plus side he might be forced to do something. He just quoted a long string of Copcake posts, essentially with commetary, got to some kind of "pattern" of how Copcake references team mates and then gave up and didn't draw any conclusions about anyone whatsoever other than what, Rayn? And now he's not even voting Rayn. | ||
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On September 12 2022 23:33 Chezinu wrote: Hey Vivax, can you explain how HF is town, cause you've been the only one clear this game in summarizing what happened with night actions concisely. Copcake flipped vig. Vig shot didn't go off the entire game. You make a judgement call whether: 1) Mafia held their vig shot for no reason. 2) I am mafia and got roleblocked n1/n2 and the kill didn't go off on one of those nights 3) Mafia shot me and I got saved Given I was very likely to be protected (and indicated as such at both nights) it should be likely to you (and most people) that I wouldn't want to carry a mafia shot in fear of it getting randomly blocked by a protection role. | ||
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On September 13 2022 00:31 Mattchew wrote: thinking back on this hf is very likely to be town. he would likely be the logical choice for mafia to send out for kp n1/n2 with rels and cake having so much heat on them from the start of the game. I'm not sure how what you said added up to me being town but I'll take it. And yeah Rayn I go climbing at 7 so away before then to cycle there. | ||
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On September 13 2022 04:45 Mattchew wrote: I think it doesnt really matter at this point who i jk unless theres no kill. And even then mafia could very easily hold kp for an easy mislynch that's preferable lol just do chez | ||
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On September 13 2022 05:51 Mattchew wrote: Im not up on the meta of this mechanic but i would imagine you would send your least suspected person to carry out mafia kp early to try and avoid tracker/jk You keep saying this but then that means a NK was blocked and I am mafia :D :D :D? | ||
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On September 13 2022 07:03 Chezinu wrote: I was at a hackthon giving a presentation and mentoring at that time. Hope it went well. But you've since been in the thread and acknowledged nothing that I said. | ||
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On September 13 2022 06:39 Mattchew wrote: no, you are not reading my posts correctly What on earth am I misreading? You would send your least suspected person to carry KP to avoid a tracker/jk and in a me/rels/cop team that == me? And you JKd me and KP didn't go off? :D What's the misreading? | ||
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On September 13 2022 15:20 Mattchew wrote: what you are inferring makes no sense is what i was implying made no sense. I am completely agreeing with you and you are restating my points as to why i think your town, but in a way that seems to imply that i think your mafia. you are reading the tone or the message of my posts incorrectly Okay well then I have literally no idea what you're meaning but why Vivax over Chez or Rayn? | ||
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On September 14 2022 06:29 Vivax wrote: Sounds like someone who plays the devil‘s game the way it wanted, applying binary thinking to everything. Just like a machine Imagine saying I'm using binary thinking when you want to pick "the logical choice". You're just a cog in the machine. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On September 14 2022 07:56 Chezinu wrote: I don't get the whole, I'm going to lynch the confirmed town when we can get more information by no lynching for a day cause policy. You want to no lynch so a confirmed town dies. What's the difference? | ||
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Holyflare
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On September 23 2022 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey i will message you on discord in a couple of weeks, we will most likely have a flight to US on date X on December and it seems like we will have a stopover for like 10 hours in London, let's have lunch or beer or smth? I would love to but don't live anywhere near London anymore Damn. Let me know when and I'll see how expensive a train is or something. | ||
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