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On August 31 2022 04:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Is there a reason everyone isn't voting for vivax right now?
They've posted better stuff than Rels
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@Chezinu - this game is for you, are you gonna play it?
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Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote
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On August 31 2022 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 07:26 Koshi wrote:On August 31 2022 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So deconduo's 1st page of filter is sarcasm or talking about those posts he made sarcastically. As i already said i find it very counter productive to scumhunting since at least me and Jock wasted some time trying to clarify something that was apparently basically jokes. In addition to that, if you look at the last three games in the database of his, as town he actually tries to scumhunt (useful), as mafia he pretty much posted nothing but setup discussion (useless) on D1.
If deco was really engaged and good in his previous 3 towngames, I am ok with voting him off based on his performance this game. Because this game the reads are pretty shallow and quick drawn. Mafia that can't fake real reads and just quickly calls people town/mafia based on little or thread sentiment. I dont know if he was good or not. What i do know is that when he posts he scumhunts / gives reads as town, not so as mafia: town - https://tl.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?user=Deconduotown - https://tl.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafia?user=deconduomafia - https://tl.net/forum/mafia/237920-world-at-war-2-mafia?user=deconduoI don't believe people's habits change in 5 or even 10 years as he claims.
My play day 1 here is exactly the same as my play in day 1 in Gaiden. Did you actually read this at all???
TSM I missed most of day 1 (including the fun bits) for IRL stuff. I don't see any particularly deep scumhunting posts from this game and I was lynched day 1 lol.
WAW2 I had no fun stuff. I talked a lot of mechanics . Also I was way more agressive.
You're just making things up at this point. Your entire case is meta from 8 years ago and its not even right. You have nothing from this game at all.
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On August 31 2022 21:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
He's doing alot of fighting against rayn's posts about him, but it hasn't seemed to arouse any suspicion that rayn might be mafia, even though he claims rayn's entire case on him was meta from 8 years ago.
Given that rayn is a good town player, that would at least make me suspicious if i was decon.
Rayn reads like a tunnel vision townie rather than scum, someone who has (wrongly) made their mind up and won't change it. I've seen nothing to suggest Rayn is a good town player so far this game. There was an inkling when they went to the effort of reading my old games, but again it was pointless because it's clear there was only one going to be outcome when tunneled. I don't see scum purposefully trying to build a bad case, everything points to dumb town.
Good town players don't whine and throw tantrums and ask to be modkilled either.
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On August 31 2022 21:24 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird. Rels reading decon: Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:04 deconduo wrote:
So we are definitely lynching Chezinu D1 right? Deconduo's first post. I'm calling it now. If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too. Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez. Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it. Serious question to decon:Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek. This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural. He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'. That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon. Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia. Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does. Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation. Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote The whole thing looks mutually weird. ----- I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right?
Rels had made 3 posts and everyone else (except Chez) was contributing. -> Pressure vote on
Rels made 2 pages of posts -> pressure vote off
Not really much more to it
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On August 31 2022 22:04 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:57 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 21:53 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 21:24 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird. Rels reading decon: On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:04 deconduo wrote:
So we are definitely lynching Chezinu D1 right? Deconduo's first post. I'm calling it now. If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too. Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez. Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it. Serious question to decon:Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously? Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek. If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek. This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural. He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'. That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon. Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia. On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does. Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation. On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote The whole thing looks mutually weird. ----- I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right? Rels had made 3 posts and everyone else (except Chez) was contributing. -> Pressure vote on Rels made 2 pages of posts -> pressure vote off Not really much more to it Like I said before, don't argue against my case, go find scum. If you think my case is weak, maybe i'm scum, so figure out why and tell us. So far you haven't done any of this. A pressure vote is only good if it leads somewhere. Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Because if he is mafia, telling him that you are voting for him because he hasn't posted much and then immediately removing your votes from him when he posts more words isn't a great way to put pressure on someone. This is top tier town.
I dunno, feels a bit forced/tryhard? Maybe its just me
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On August 31 2022 22:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:05 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 22:04 CopCake wrote:On August 31 2022 21:57 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 21:53 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 21:24 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird. Rels reading decon: On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 19:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
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Deconduo's first post.
I'm calling it now.
If one of decon or chezinu is mafia, the other is too.
Like obviously we're never lynching chezinu on day one and posting this is a good way to get some suspicion on anyone who agrees with him and tries to lynch chez.
Also, it might just be a joke post, but even if it is, i think its possible to make this connection from it.
Serious question to decon:
Can you go back through your posts, there's been plenty of them, and tell us which ones we can take seriously, except for the posts you make telling us not to take other posts seriously?
Because it seems to me like every time you post something and someone comments on it, its either a joke post, or you didn't actually mean what you were saying, or its tongue in cheek.
If you don't put your tongue back in its natural position sometime soon you're at a terrible risk of it getting stuck in your cheek. This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural. He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'. That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon. Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia. On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does. Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation. On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote The whole thing looks mutually weird. ----- I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right? Rels had made 3 posts and everyone else (except Chez) was contributing. -> Pressure vote on Rels made 2 pages of posts -> pressure vote off Not really much more to it Like I said before, don't argue against my case, go find scum. If you think my case is weak, maybe i'm scum, so figure out why and tell us. So far you haven't done any of this. A pressure vote is only good if it leads somewhere. Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Because if he is mafia, telling him that you are voting for him because he hasn't posted much and then immediately removing your votes from him when he posts more words isn't a great way to put pressure on someone. This is top tier town. I dunno, feels a bit forced/tryhard? Maybe its just me The mindset is pretty townie. He is sure about you but gives space for you to hunt mafia. If he is wrong, then he is wrong, we all make mistakes as town.
'Here is a case against you - but no no you can't respond to all the faults in it. Go hunt scum'
It's protecting himself against any criticism against holes in the case, and either:
- I don't find scum and he pushes a lynch while sitting back happy
- I find scum - he takes credit for 'forcing me to go hunt'
Very convenient.
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On August 31 2022 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:While you're here decon: Show nested quote +Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia?
Just posting was enough - as I said in the original vote it was for 'Posting the bare minimum to not get modkilled'
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Speaking of which - what has Vivax done to convince you to unvote him?
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On August 31 2022 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:21 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:While you're here decon: Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Just posting was enough - as I said in the original vote it was for 'Posting the bare minimum to not get modkilled' ok thanks. This reads to me like a very shallow way to assign your vote. I was hoping you had some reasoning beyond that for removing your vote tbh. I thought rels' posting last night was hella scummy, as i posted earlier and DI also posted about (and did a better job of it than i did tbh).
I never pretended it was anything else. Pretty standard day 1 pressure vote to get inactives active. Active just means posting, I don't expect anyone to instantly write a page of awesome scumhuting. I don't expect everyone to be an awesome scumhunting wizard on day 1.
Maybe I just have low standards
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On August 31 2022 22:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Also koshi has made a fairly convincing case for letting vivax live for now.
I am also giving rels some credit for that too, hence the vote for decon.
On August 31 2022 16:23 Koshi wrote:
Lynching/shooting Vivax on D1/N1 is just fucking dumb. We all know the guy is an easy catch later on.
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This case? What makes Vivax so easy to catch?
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Hmm, MZ + Jock makes sense as a team
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Would also explain the attempt to push the lynch on Vivax and then the switch to Rels when that didn't get momentum
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Also both of them tried to push me
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Last set of gut reads, good luck all
Probably Town
Koshi
CopCake
Holyflare
Dandel Ion
Rels
Alakaslam
Neutral
Tubesock
Mattchew
Vivax
Chezinu
Mafia
rayn: Supposed to be good, but terrible reads/tunneling. Tantrum
Jock:Felt good early game, started to feel forced. Feels like he wants people to like him. Bad reads
MZ:Tunnelling, bad reads
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On September 01 2022 02:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2022 02:54 Koshi wrote:
Ok. 6 more mins but on page 37. Quick update? Rels is not mafia, MZ is not mafia, Deconduo is probably not mafia, I will bet Mattchew is
You're right about me
Probably right about rels and matt
I think MZ is mafia
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EPT
