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STAY TUNED FOR A GRACKARONI ANNOUNCEMENT
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GRACKARONI FOR MAYOR![[image loading]](https://pics.me.me/all-hail-zoidberg-the-king-with-the-box-63893194.png)
The Liquidian People are tired of the CROOKED "politicians" who make lots of "promises" and don't follow through. Behind closed doors they laugh at hardworking Liquidian citizens like FECALFAEST and ALAKASLAM.. The Ruling classes of Liquidia (Raging Rayn and Shady 'Hapa' Hauli) have dominated Liquidian politics for TOO LONG.
It is time for honest middle class Liquidians to FIGHT. As your Mayor I pledge to CRUSH the "opposition". The night after my election I will consolidate power by executing my opponents. We will appropriate resources and distribute the spoils to all hardworking citizens (campaign supporters).
It is time we have a politician who stands up for working class Liquidians. We are not going to let the Liquidian political elites win again. This is a movement. People are standing up across Liquidia and saying, "I'm going to vote for Grackaroni and this is not an advertisement. Can I have my 50 bucks now?"
And I agree with those people. Together we are united. Together we have the power. Together we will vote Grack.
##Vote Grackaroni
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On November 24 2020 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: AlakaslamFF read the day post sir  Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something.
I hear you and I share your concerns.
I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents.
I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall.
And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear.
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On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:35 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay does his non-answer mean anything to you then? His non-answer is a small fact that may fit into the larger "puzzle" of his filter and play later on. It does not mean anything to me without additional context. Is there any reason that you are "boldly" reading TT as town early on? I kinda get that his game "contrasts" from the last one in that he is early/active/loosely-posting, but that's a pretty small sample size to be making any strong reads. Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet.  Yes that's the reason i am reading him town so far. The read is as strong as any half-an-hour-to-the-game-read can be. So yeah, not strong but the strongest i have so far. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 06:30 Alakaslam wrote: I was hoping you would shit on my campaign or vote for me Looks like hapa was right though, you’re here to question him. You are right i am. Because honestly i want either him or me to be the mayor. I dont really care which one in case he is town. Because of two things i think that; One, the mayor has a bodyguard. In case hapa is town and mayor he becomes even "more very very valuable" asset to the town as it will take at least two night for mafia to get rid of him. I obviously also think i am better than anyone else (or at least on par) so the same goes for me.  Two, you have a tendency to "drop out" at times and/or forget/fail to send in actions/properly read the game, and therefore i can name other people too that would in my opinion be more valuable as mayor in case they are town. I also dont like you take on the pardoner, but i dont think that means anything towards your alignment. Pardoner should pretty much never use the power. Period.
Right on cue the crooked political elites (Raging Rayn) is trying to keep power away from the working Slams.
The Liquidian people are tried of the same old political elites killing off hard working/hard to read Liquidians. They're killing off our Grackaronis; they're killing off our ShoCkeyys; they're killing off our Trfels; they're killing off our Ticktocks. The Liquidian people are dying at the hands of crooked elites. It is time to FIGHT.
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On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one.
Occam's razor is that the simplest solution is often the right one.
Hanlon's razor is to not attribute things to malice which could be attributed to ignorance.
I don't think that would apply in a mafia game though.
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I'm a bit surprised you're going for mayor. (I'll have to break character for a second) If you're just looking to kill whoever Rayn/Hapa says wouldn't it make sense to give the bodyguard to one of them.
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On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer.
It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons.
Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible.
I almost never make early reads unless I get the sense that I'm on track to be lynched if I don't start taking stances.
I just don't tend to get strong feeling from the first few things people post unless something strikes me as exceptionally out of character or inconsistent.
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On November 24 2020 12:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 11:10 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 06:10 Hapahauli wrote:On November 24 2020 05:55 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 05:45 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you sadistic enough to involve yourself in politics? Will you announce your candidacy? I will. I think I’m pliable enough to listen to the town and not hijack the lynch with massive 460 mm japanese cannons (lookin’ at you, Yamato) and lynch who we agree upon. I’m open to suggestions and I’m town, I promise! That being said, I fully intend to add my own opinion and put it out for review. ##Vote: AlakaslamFF read the day post sir Is your platform effectively that you will vote for whom the town desires (i.e. who the town "votes for" to be mafia)? Yes BUT THAT’s NOT ALL! I will also promise to be productive beyond the mayoral role. I just don’t want someone so good at the game that they get arrogant and do their own will getting elected instead to be honest. What more could a mayor honestly promise though? To use the bodyguard? Like -_- But let me read mayoral details again, maybe I am missing something. I hear you and I share your concerns. I recall another time when a past Liquidian mayor, let's call them HolyPear for purposes of anonymity, lynched the runner up for the office, PALMAR, against the wishes of his own constituents. I beseeched him: "DON'T KILL PALMAR, HolyPear!!!!!" I said. But it was too late. HolyPear sliced through Palmar like a soft fruit. The crowd turned on Mayor Pear. "I"ll have your STEM for this!!!" they shouted. I tried to calm the crowd. He's not mafia; he's just a scrub!" But the crowd pushed for vengeance. By the next day his green juices were spilled on the floor of the town hall. And so ends the tale of HolyPear. A cautionary tale, but one with an important lesson. Grackaroni was right. We would do well to listen and trust in Grackaroni, who is best known for his even-headed judge of character, or else we may be forever doomed to repeat the mistakes of HolyPear. But I saw Will too! He is headstrong. UK lawyers be like dat
I don't think he's a lawyer. Or at least the last time I called him a lawyer he denied being one.
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On November 24 2020 13:57 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 12:51 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Regardless if you take offense or not, that was uncalled for on my part. I do feel as if the "theme" of our last few games played is that you attribute certain qualities to my very early-game town plan, I do not meet those "expectations", and I get called mafia for a longer period of time than I would prefer.
It is a bit of a self-meta thing, but I tend to dislike making any sort of concrete reads in the early game unless I am very confident in the read. Once I articulate a read, I find it very mentally difficult to go back and re-evaluate it seriously. Hence, I keep my reads "notepad", but I do avoid posting every little one in thread, lest I inadvertently commit myself to a town read for bad reasons.
Regarding Mayor... I kinda don't want to run? It's a lot of responsibility, and I tend to enjoy games more where I am not forced to take a leadership role. If it becomes apparent that there is no good choice for mayor, I will likely campaign for myself. But I'd like to avoid that if possible. I almost never make early reads unless I get the sense that I'm on track to be lynched if I don't start taking stances. I just don't tend to get strong feeling from the first few things people post unless something strikes me as exceptionally out of character or inconsistent. Grackaroni, can I ask what the purpose of this post was?
Commiseration
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On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me.
Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions.
I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier.
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On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate.
Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough.
I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same.
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On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all.
Meh that's fine.
I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience.
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On November 24 2020 14:52 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit. Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him?
I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads.
For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself.
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On November 24 2020 21:51 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 15:06 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:52 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:43 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:33 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough. I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. At this point I'm almost more confused by your reaction than the initial post itself? I'm not yelling and I'm not acting tough, I'm not even being tough? I'm deeply confused here. Though if I did something to upset you, I truly am sorry, that was not my intention at all. Meh that's fine. I don't understand part of your accusation but I think perhaps I misread the end of your post as a bit of showmanship like you're overly playing to an audience. If I can help you understand something please let me know and I'll happily try; I guess at this point I was more curious to see what you do from here, I'm not sure if continuing to discuss these points with you at this time will bear much more fruit. Do you have any thoughts on Alakaslam and/or why I have a town lean on him? I don't understand what you mean when you say I threw a wishy-washy backsy-clause in my post, though I don't think you understand the intention of my post to begin with. I wasn't weighing in either way on Hapa's alignment. I was just sharing my own feeling about being expected to make early game reads. For your Slam read I don't agree. It seems like Slam is earnestly trying to become mayor but it seems a bit out of character to me. He pretty frequently tries to lynch himself to avoid being in LYLO as town so I don't know why town Slam would want to place extra responsibility on himself to decide the lynch all by himself. Somehow I missed this post when i first read through the thread. You get +town points and a vote from me. grack for mayor! Drain the swamp!
A 2nd vote.
I think this may be my most successful Mayoral campaign yet.
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On November 25 2020 00:28 Tictock wrote:Going to get some sleep finnaly. This is the post that makes me want to lynch FF He had made several posts before this, so why is he making apologies and excuses. His next post even suggests he remembered he was running for mayor.
lol have you been playing WoW since the start of the game?
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On November 25 2020 00:42 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Jock
I have noticed that you have been critical of Slam's "joke" candidacy.
Why then are you voting for Grack's campaign?
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Is Rayn also not planning to run for Mayor?
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On November 25 2020 00:34 Hapahauli wrote:Trfel and Slam strike me as very town on a second readthrough. Slam is noticeably posting "lighter" and "happier". I wasn't really convinced with the read, but having looked through some previous scumgames of his this morning, my confidence interval is pretty high on his alignment. Trfel's posting is also dead-on with his previous town games. His entrance shows he is reading the thread. He also has this "peculiar" way of making his reads as town, which I will elaborate on if I feel he is in danger of getting lynched. I think he has also appropriately pinged Grack's posts, as well as Rayn's relative passivity, which shows a degree of careful reading in the early game Grack's entrance to the game is a lot of bravado and not a lot of substance. The mayoral "campaign" can be interpreted as anything. His interaction with Trfel strikes me as scummy, because he spends time implying that Trfel is mafia without actually concretely saying anything. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 14:30 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:23 Trfel wrote:On November 24 2020 14:11 Grackaroni wrote:On November 24 2020 14:06 Trfel wrote:
Hm.
Because to me, it seems very out of place. No one asked you for any reads or what you thought about early game reads. It doesn't read like you're defending Hapahauli or his statement, the only relation is that Hapahauli's post is quoted. And to top it off, you threw in a wishy-washy backsies clause at the end.
And while me and my microscopic vocabulary had to look up the definition of commiseration, I don't really see how it fits that either, or why that would even be needed here.
One point I could forgive, but all together it seems like quite a strange post to me. Hapa's statement is fine with me. I understand not being a player who jumps the gun with early conclusions. I'm not sure what you're on about with your backsies clause I was just relating my own experience lol. To be honest I think you're trying to dig yourself out of a hole from how you were percieved earlier. What hole? (rhetorical) And sure, I get that you're fine with Hapahauli's statement, but it doesn't really warrant defending, and even if it did that would be a really weird way of doing it. Thus, your post was quite pointless. A pointless post doesn't guarantee someone to be mafia, but I'm happy to jump on it for now. I don't think I need anything else from you at the moment, I'll see how you play and continue to evaluate. Rayn called out one of your posts and Slam says you shat on the carpet and all of a sudden you're yelling about my backsies and acting tough.I don't really care about Hapa's post one way or another. If he had said that pre-game I would have responded the same. Vivax's entrance is uninspiring and scummy, since he makes 6 pointless posts about reads that he's not read enough of the thread to be confident on.
The reason is that I didn't like the way he was construing/attacking my post. To me it seemed like he just decided he needed someone to attack at that moment and that I'd make a good target.
I guess I view the game differently since I make lots of posts without any bearing to reads on the game or posts that are outright shitposts.
I'd be curious in what you mean by him appropriately pinging my post though. You feel that what I said had no relation to what you said and think I was being too wishy-washy by not saying that I'd never post a read early on?
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On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel?
Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you.
I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough.
You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one.
I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent?
The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town.
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On November 25 2020 02:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 01:37 Vivax wrote:
Grack have you arrived to anything conclusion-wise in regards to Trfel?
Or any other player for that matter. Feels like now you're just sitting back waiting to see what gets thrown at you. I really just don't get quick reads the way other people tend to do. I actually spend a lot of time reading too funnily enough. You're right that Trfel seems pretty comfortable when talking about me/Rayn but I do think his opening post was an uncomfortable one. I expected to be scum reading Jock going into a filter dive but I came out thinking his point on Trfel is actually a good one. Trfel seemed like he really wanted to push out his read that Slam was approaching his mayor run in a townie way, but then at the end he's waffling because Slam is being persistent? The only thing I'd feel pretty strongly so far is that Hapa is town. Where did that expectation come from? You sound a lot like you have a Trfel suspicion but are hesitant to say it, which I think Hapa already mentioned (and that makes him town?). Was the mayor thing serious? Since you haven't really said on what premise you'd lynch. Show nested quote +On November 24 2020 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:15 Alakaslam wrote:On November 24 2020 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 24 2020 09:12 Alakaslam wrote:
Why is hapa NOT campaigning then? Now this is actually a townie question i have been waiting anyone to ask. Well Yeah which is why you wanting it to be you or him was sus as hell but then Trfel came and put his pants on his head and shat on the carpet so I was too busy going “wtf” at that. Plus the occam’s razor hamblin’s razor whichever one. I dont know if you realised it but i have been kinda being after this from my first post to him. I guess i can reveal my this thing: now. On November 24 2020 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay, we'll see about that later on then. Then i am also not gonna post the follow up i was going to yet. I dont really think Hapa is town atm. I think he should at least maybe have some reads he doesnt atm. So, did he build them yet?
That was mostly just my gut call going into it. Perhaps a mistrust of his town read on me from what I said about Slam.
I'm on the fence. I initially would have put him as a slight town lean but after you asked me I started looking further and I might go in the opposite direction if prodded.
Hapa is town independent of his read on me. He's laying out cases for who he thinks is town (Trfel) and trying to make him mayor. I trust that he looked through some of Slam's scum games and I like that he made a post stating high confidence in these reads.
Plus you've got to love him calling out Rayn for not getting into a rant with him after complaining about Rayn always fighting him.
On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
I assume the mayor will make clear who they are looking to kill and people will end up voting based off that. At the moment I don't think that's clear from anybody yet. Realistically I'm more likely to be lynched than lynching, but I'll go for it anyway.
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On November 25 2020 03:40 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:... Plus you've got to love him calling out Rayn for not getting into a rant with him after complaining about Rayn always fighting him. On November 25 2020 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on my own interactions with you this game (Rayn), I am also somewhat surprised that we aren't ranting at each other yet. This doesn't make you inherently mafia, but the tone is different enough for me to take notice, and for me to nod my head when others take notice.
... In all seriousness, why would this make me "town"? On its face, isn't this an inconsistency in my story?
I don't think it's one that would point to you being mafia. Probably pretty hypocritical expectations for Rayn but I'd understand being annoyed at being pressured and still having a baseline expectation for it to happen from experience.
I think I'm sucked in by all of the head nodding and notice taking. (Real reason is I just have a strong anticipation that you are going to be one of the most active and engaged from the way you've been posting so far, and I don't really have high expectations from you as mafia - though feel free to prove me wrong.)
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If there's one reason why mafia would not want to be mayor it's that if they kill a town they are overwhelmingly likely to be checked at night.
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On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
I'm surprised. I don't think it will be that easy.
I'd bet on Slam being town as well at this point. The way he's focussing on you not pushing hard to become mayor strikes me as town.
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On November 25 2020 12:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
I'm surprised. I don't think it will be that easy. I'd bet on Slam being town as well at this point. The way he's focussing on you not pushing hard to become mayor strikes me as town.
My thought is that Slam has his own unique concerns that shine through as town that most people don't care about while as mafia you don't see that as much as he tries to blend.
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On November 25 2020 12:30 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:
If there's one reason why mafia would not want to be mayor it's that if they kill a town they are overwhelmingly likely to be checked at night.
not me of course though because I would most definitely kill a mafia.
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On November 25 2020 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 12:29 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
I'm surprised. I don't think it will be that easy. I'd bet on Slam being town as well at this point. The way he's focussing on you not pushing hard to become mayor strikes me as town. Yeah and then he says “I should be mayor” after I finally get a flat tire for my wheel from him. But he did give me a tire. Which was all I asked for. He also put whipped cream on it MVGA
I have no idea what you're talking about lol.
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On November 25 2020 12:34 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 12:32 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 12:30 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2020 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:
If there's one reason why mafia would not want to be mayor it's that if they kill a town they are overwhelmingly likely to be checked at night. not me of course though because I would most definitely kill a mafia. Well and you are running. Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 12:33 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 12:31 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2020 12:29 Grackaroni wrote:On November 25 2020 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am basically looking at
shockeyy, ff as mafia.
TT has fallen off quite tremendously after his (i think) townie start.
Then there is Hapa and Trfel.
Everyone else i am quite comfortable calling town.
I'm surprised. I don't think it will be that easy. I'd bet on Slam being town as well at this point. The way he's focussing on you not pushing hard to become mayor strikes me as town. Yeah and then he says “I should be mayor” after I finally get a flat tire for my wheel from him. But he did give me a tire. Which was all I asked for. He also put whipped cream on it MVGA I have no idea what you're talking about lol. Read Rayn’s interaction with me Page 11 I think?
I'm technically the front runner!
The trick is to demonize your opponents. Call them names like Raging Rayn and Shady 'Hapa' Hauli. Then people will know not to vote for them.
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On November 25 2020 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If Grack were to become mayor as mafia, he would literally crush the town, not the other way around since it’s still a 10% chance of hitting the right player.
Anyone have any idea what this 10% is supposed to be?
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If I were mayor I'd kill Ticktock. I think he's less comfortable playing scum and more likely to lurk through the day because of his role than FF. (I know he's playing WoW but the thread isn't overwhelmingly large)
I wouldn't be upset though if any of FF/ShoCkey/TT are lynched.
Of active players Trfel is most likely mafia but I wouldn't gamble on that today, though I'd definitely like to avoid him being elected.
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On November 26 2020 00:54 Trfel wrote:
Grackaroni, if you are mayor who do you kill? Or who would you consider killing?
whoops sniped.
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On November 26 2020 01:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2020 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:
If I were mayor I'd kill Ticktock. I think he's less comfortable playing scum and more likely to lurk through the day because of his role than FF. (I know he's playing WoW but the thread isn't overwhelmingly large)
I wouldn't be upset though if any of FF/ShoCkey/TT are lynched.
Of active players Trfel is most likely mafia but I wouldn't gamble on that today, though I'd definitely like to avoid him being elected. What's your take on Jock?
His post about Trfel was a good one and I think he has the right view on Rayn. I'm not sure what his reasoning was for changing his mind on Slam.
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I'm guessing you're going to vote for Trfel, Vivax?
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Have you read any of my games?
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On November 26 2020 02:30 Hapahauli wrote:Yes, I read a lot of them in Aperture. I will probably read them again. I was unable to draw any concrete conclusions from them. I am conscious of the fact that I did horribly misread you in all of Aperture, seemingly due to how "reactive" your playstyle is. This game... you are this mix of pro-active (campaign) followed by re-active (not much in the way of reads). It is this dissonance that I think makes you mafia.
If that's what bothers you I try to run for mayor in pretty much every game that has one. This is the first time I've been seriously considered (it seems because you/Rayn both didn't really want it too badly.)
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The thread seems to be divided into two camps atm.
There's a Rayn camp where Rayn townreads Jock/Slam/Vivax/Slam/Me with lot of people in that group townreading or more or less trusting each other.
Then there's a Trfel camp with Trfel having Rayn as his primary suspect and Hapa/ShoCkeyy voting Trfel mainly I believe to try to get rid of me.
Obviously I'd rather we consolidate on anyone outside of Trfel for Mayor and hope that Rayn's grasp on the game so far is good. (I think it is)
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On November 26 2020 02:45 Tictock wrote:
I should put in time, but seeing how people are reading me kinda just makes me not care.
I understand I am not putting in much effort, but I do not get where this expectation of me is coming from right now, and besides... also much more importantly... eh
I'm not locked in on any read of you.
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On November 26 2020 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still have no idea why FF thinks his reads are whatever he said. I really dont know why he thinks anything, and it looks like he doesnt know himself even..
FF's catchup post was pretty lame.
He says I'm mafia earlier and then doesn't even bother to read my posts. I think maybe he's trying to act aloof.
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I was so close and yet so far.
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Its not me but if both the mayors are killing me not much to do lol
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I did try this game though!
Grack mayor for life
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On November 26 2020 04:53 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On November 26 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:45 Vivax wrote:On November 26 2020 04:14 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:10 Vivax wrote:
Trfel I don't really want a Grack lynch. Can we arrange that or do I vote another mayor?
Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with.
Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? Yes, I agree that Grackaroni is enjoyable to play with, and in that sense I'd like to keep him around longer, but I do think he has an okay chance of being mafia here. I can take another look at ShoCkeyy, I do think he could be mafia, I guess I would prefer to have reasons why he is mafia before lynching him though. I don't really like lynching people if I can't say why they are mafia. I'm not certain about voting for Grackaroni, we can talk about it, though I don't mind if you want to vote for someone else for mayor either. If you and Hapahauli could agree on someone that would help too. Can I ask what you don't like about the reasons Hapahauli brought up to suspect Grackaroni? + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Mornin'.
So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.
Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.
I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."
Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm.Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. "He ran for mayor and then stopped caring" is a bad metric. And feels lazy by Hapa. I don't think that was Hapahauli's reasoning? Or mine for that matter. Yea ok it was about him running without targets. Regardless, the point stands. I think he just posted his candidacy to post his story, not because he actually wanted to be mayor. And Hapa instantly imposes the point of view that he really wanted to run for mayor. How about Grackaroni just not having reads this game? Until three hours ago, anyway. Mayoral campaign aside. He's been here and he hasn't been really contributing much, especially before three hours ago.
You just said I had too many reads!
If you want a good chance at mafia snap lynch Trfel
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On November 26 2020 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2020 04:53 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On November 26 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:45 Vivax wrote:On November 26 2020 04:14 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:10 Vivax wrote:
Trfel I don't really want a Grack lynch. Can we arrange that or do I vote another mayor?
Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with.
Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? Yes, I agree that Grackaroni is enjoyable to play with, and in that sense I'd like to keep him around longer, but I do think he has an okay chance of being mafia here. I can take another look at ShoCkeyy, I do think he could be mafia, I guess I would prefer to have reasons why he is mafia before lynching him though. I don't really like lynching people if I can't say why they are mafia. I'm not certain about voting for Grackaroni, we can talk about it, though I don't mind if you want to vote for someone else for mayor either. If you and Hapahauli could agree on someone that would help too. Can I ask what you don't like about the reasons Hapahauli brought up to suspect Grackaroni? + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Mornin'.
So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.
Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.
I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."
Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm.Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. "He ran for mayor and then stopped caring" is a bad metric. And feels lazy by Hapa. I don't think that was Hapahauli's reasoning? Or mine for that matter. Yea ok it was about him running without targets. Regardless, the point stands. I think he just posted his candidacy to post his story, not because he actually wanted to be mayor. And Hapa instantly imposes the point of view that he really wanted to run for mayor. How about Grackaroni just not having reads this game? Until three hours ago, anyway. Mayoral campaign aside. He's been here and he hasn't been really contributing much, especially before three hours ago. You just said I had too many reads! If you want a good chance at mafia snap lynch Trfel
You can take this after I'm gone.
I actually usually have pretty good reads
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On November 26 2020 04:56 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2020 04:55 Grackaroni wrote:On November 26 2020 04:53 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:50 Vivax wrote:On November 26 2020 04:47 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:45 Vivax wrote:On November 26 2020 04:14 Trfel wrote:On November 26 2020 04:10 Vivax wrote:
Trfel I don't really want a Grack lynch. Can we arrange that or do I vote another mayor?
Not because he's supertown or anything but I think he's enjoyable to play with.
Lynching Shockeyy would also help, because I have a hunch that I'm going to think he's mafia at some point anyway based on past experiences. And now I can't tell what he is. Why allow a pokerface in town? Yes, I agree that Grackaroni is enjoyable to play with, and in that sense I'd like to keep him around longer, but I do think he has an okay chance of being mafia here. I can take another look at ShoCkeyy, I do think he could be mafia, I guess I would prefer to have reasons why he is mafia before lynching him though. I don't really like lynching people if I can't say why they are mafia. I'm not certain about voting for Grackaroni, we can talk about it, though I don't mind if you want to vote for someone else for mayor either. If you and Hapahauli could agree on someone that would help too. Can I ask what you don't like about the reasons Hapahauli brought up to suspect Grackaroni? + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2020 23:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2020 23:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Mornin'.
So we have a lynch in 6 hours. This discussion needs to be about a) who is mayor, and b) who town wants dead. There are too many people talking about light suspicions and townreads. That is not important right now.
Trfel for mayor. Whoever is mayor should shoot Grack or Shockeyy.
I think Grack is mafia, and I think Trfel brought up the best point against him: he has been relatively active and running for mayor, but reading his filter, I have no sense of what is "platform" is and who he even wants lynched. That seems like the hallmark of scum "looking like they want to contribute."
Shockeyy is remarkably disengaged in this game. He is existing, but again, no idea of what he wants to accomplish beyond his mayoral preferences. I think he just wanted to make a funny entrance. Don't really see him being mafia atm.Shockeyy is always like that. If I'd kill him then not because I think he's scum but because I will never be sure about what he is, probably. Someone mentioned earlier that Jock seemed less analytical than in his usual town games and I'll agree. I also find it odd in his case that he doesn't think Trfel is town given when they have been teammates and imo Trfel doesn't post like in that game (the "Trfel help" one). That said my lynch pool atm would be something along Shockeyy, Jock, Fefe. Maybe TickTock because he kinda stopped playing after getting townread by a few. "He ran for mayor and then stopped caring" is a bad metric. And feels lazy by Hapa. I don't think that was Hapahauli's reasoning? Or mine for that matter. Yea ok it was about him running without targets. Regardless, the point stands. I think he just posted his candidacy to post his story, not because he actually wanted to be mayor. And Hapa instantly imposes the point of view that he really wanted to run for mayor. How about Grackaroni just not having reads this game? Until three hours ago, anyway. Mayoral campaign aside. He's been here and he hasn't been really contributing much, especially before three hours ago. You just said I had too many reads! If you want a good chance at mafia snap lynch Trfel If he’s mafia he will just pardon himself. Waste of lynch.
No he can't for first lynch and it gets rid of pardoner who get elected suspiciously imo
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I put in some hard hitting analysis at the end of the obs QT.
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On December 02 2020 10:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 10:18 Grackaroni wrote:I put in some hard hitting analysis at the end of the obs QT. Who were you planning on recruiting if you lived?
I was going to recruit Slam
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It looks like Vivax conceded
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Eh sometimes the mechanics don't work in your favor. With a cult in the game this game could have gone in many different directions.
For the time I was alive you played really well.
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On December 02 2020 12:22 Eversince wrote:Yeah from what I can see from QTs Vivax called it because I mean.. He was right. There isn't much left to do when everyone suspects you and your partner just got fucking huge sign 'IM MAFIA!!' Hard spot to be in
I didn't read but I know FF got confirmed by being the bodyguard and I guess people believed the jailor claim.
That's just an unfortunate outcome for scum at the end having killed off everybody unable to confirm themselves. (me//TT/Jock/ShoCkkey had no claims). I guess their best chance may have been to make some sort of counterclaim against Trfel.
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The few times I've hosted I think I've given mafia RB priority but I can see an argument either way. If mafia have two alive they still get to choose who they want to send KP.
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On December 02 2020 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:
The few times I've hosted I think I've given mafia RB priority but I can see an argument either way. If mafia have two alive they still get to choose who they want to send KP.
Also serves him right for murdering me, Grackaroni.
(Though it seems Vivax had me nailed in scum QT :D)
I'm looking to setup a Diplomacy game in the other thread. It's a lot of fun and the mechanics are not very complicated.
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On December 02 2020 13:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2020 12:29 Grackaroni wrote:On December 02 2020 12:22 Eversince wrote:On December 02 2020 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like Vivax conceded Yeah from what I can see from QTs Vivax called it because I mean.. He was right. There isn't much left to do when everyone suspects you and your partner just got fucking huge sign 'IM MAFIA!!' Hard spot to be in I didn't read but I know FF got confirmed by being the bodyguard and I guess people believed the jailor claim. That's just an unfortunate outcome for scum at the end having killed off everybody unable to confirm themselves. (me//TT/Jock/ShoCkkey had no claims). I guess their best chance may have been to make some sort of counterclaim against Trfel. Given how claims happened idk about CC, and honestly Rayn/Vivax still won the claim day (and more or less the game, minus the technicality) by getting town to lynch me while I was saying "Rayn/Vivax are scum" lol.
I honestly didn't read much after I died. From what I see Rayn played really well and Vivax was not too surprising as mafia.
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