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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 30 2020 16:22 GMT
#4
/in
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 30 2020 23:11 GMT
#13
On July 31 2020 01:45 GTacc wrote:
/in


hi this is my first mafia game ever

For some reason, I am not inclined to believe this... I can't quite put my finger on it though.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 31 2020 00:21 GMT
#15
On July 31 2020 08:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Korean pro-gamer off-race account confirmed.

https://forum.mafia451.com/u/gtacc/summary

kek
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
July 31 2020 18:12 GMT
#20
On August 01 2020 01:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2020 05:03 LightningStrike wrote:
/in


/in

You don't get to be mafia in this game, alright?

No worries, I'll catch him if he is mafia.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 13:49 GMT
#86
I have one solid read.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 13:50 GMT
#87
HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc?
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 14:23 GMT
#89
On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.

I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.

Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.

That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol?

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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 14:26 GMT
#91
On August 09 2020 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back from the store:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2020 22:50 Eywa- wrote:
HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc?

This is so scummy...
\##Vote: Ewya-
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.

I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.

Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.

That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol?

fair play on that and very good question and I think he is likely mafia for that question to you.

You're town, unvote me.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 14:42 GMT
#93
On August 09 2020 23:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2020 23:26 Eywa- wrote:
On August 09 2020 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back from the store:
On August 09 2020 22:50 Eywa- wrote:
HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc?

This is so scummy...
\##Vote: Ewya-
On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.

I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.

Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.

That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol?

fair play on that and very good question and I think he is likely mafia for that question to you.

You're town, unvote me.

Can you explain why you asked him if he's the doctor?

This is a Mickey Mouse question, if I'm mafia I just role block him, no need to ask him.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 15:16 GMT
#98
On August 09 2020 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Yo I'm back from camping. Don't know if I have the energy to contribute much atm but we'll see.

Hi... Bye!
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 15:16 GMT
#99
OH MY GOD YOU RUINER
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 16:44 GMT
#112
I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads.

I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size.

The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games.

I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 16:50 GMT
#114
Also, to build on his last post, I agree with Mr. Cheesecake that HoldenGolden's read doesn't seem like one he would have as town based on his own game.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 09 2020 22:49 GMT
#129
On August 10 2020 03:32 HoldenGolden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote:
I read another game from HoldenGolden and there are several striking differences. In the other game, he doesn't really try to question other people in the same post that he's breaking out a scum read (he does that here). Also, he developed his read in the other game a lot more, here he posted the vote and then stated the read, but only after being asked. I also found his last game to be a lot more of a meme, his posts were less focused early and became more focused over the course of day 1 and developed into reads.

I think he's just naked mafia here, but even I admit it's a small sample size.

The first thing that struck me is how he immediately commented on Shockey for something that FF did before Shockey and none of the discussion that followed even mentioned FF... I immediately thought, someone is getting spewed here, but I don't know who. That's when I looked more into HoldenGolden's past games.

I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town), but I really want to vote HoldenGolden... So, we're killing one of them today.
hahaha I go off site to have a better town game, and I'm instantly metaed. Ok.

Is your scum read on me purely from meta, or is my play in a vaccum scummy too? Let's start here.

If you are a meta player though, I would suggest you read the follow meta analysis as it very accurately described my meta albeit it's somewhat dated. All it's missing really scum wise is the game where I rolled scum with another shitposter and we trolled the game by actively teasing we were scum together. Somehow we won lol
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=11762333#p11762333

Do you feel like you've succeeded so far?
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 15:52 GMT
#179
[b]##vote: Vivax[/v]
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 15:53 GMT
#180
##vote: Vivax
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 16:08 GMT
#183
It's a good question, I'm finding a hard time explaining it myself.

I feel like I don't have a very good grasp on the game unless the simple answer of GTacc/Vivax (at least one of) is mafia. The activity in the game has been hard to read and has left me not wanting to lynch Shockey or trfel which I'm hearing a lot about.

I can't get GTacc lynched today, he probably forgot about the game tbh. He doesn't play much offsite.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 19:52 GMT
#206
On August 11 2020 04:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm town 😎

I believe you.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 19:56 GMT
#207
On August 11 2020 04:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2020 04:23 Vivax wrote:
On August 11 2020 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Terrible Takes by Trfel

Town Lean
LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to.

Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +
I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative.

HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler +
While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game.


Null
GTacc
Vivax

Mafia Lean
Eywa- + Show Spoiler +
His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed?

The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden.

Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target.

ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler +
ShoCkeyy says he doesn't like it when people analyze and look at opening posts too deeply, and implied that he didn't like HoldenGolden looking into early game posts. But then he said he liked how Mr. Cheesecake looked into my opening post and didn't like my opening post.

Inconsistent, but not the strongest.

Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler +
Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here:
On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest
eywa

cheesecake

holden

I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while.

Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise

nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there.

vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot.
This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see."

Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this.


I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three.


They are nice takes.


Trfel obviously didn't read more into it because I actually called myself out on that very exact thing he's saying I'm mafia for.

trfel's post is actually decent, because I was thinking along the same lines, but then I'm like, wait a minute, Shockey would have to basically be with exactly FecalFeast or GTacc, and then I'm like, yeh, that's probably wrong, let's kill in what other players describe as "null".
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 19:57 GMT
#209
On August 11 2020 04:56 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On August 09 2020 13:36 Trfel wrote:
On August 09 2020 11:56 HoldenGolden wrote:
1) he said it in the same sentence that he was answering my question about the voting thread. Therefore, it came off as if he was speaking to me still.

2) Mostly to get the ball rolling; there's no specific AI reason yet.
Thanks, that makes sense. I see now.


When people look into openings too hard, it gives me the jeebies.


Who gave you the jeebies?

You give me the jeebies
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 19:59 GMT
#211
On August 11 2020 04:58 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2020 04:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On August 11 2020 04:23 Vivax wrote:
On August 11 2020 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Terrible Takes by Trfel

Town Lean
LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to.

Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +
I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative.

HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler +
While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game.


Null
GTacc
Vivax

Mafia Lean
Eywa- + Show Spoiler +
His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed?

The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden.

Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target.

ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler +
ShoCkeyy says he doesn't like it when people analyze and look at opening posts too deeply, and implied that he didn't like HoldenGolden looking into early game posts. But then he said he liked how Mr. Cheesecake looked into my opening post and didn't like my opening post.

Inconsistent, but not the strongest.

Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler +
Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here:
On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest
eywa

cheesecake

holden

I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while.

Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise

nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there.

vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot.
This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see."

Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this.


I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three.


They are nice takes.


Trfel obviously didn't read more into it because I actually called myself out on that very exact thing he's saying I'm mafia for.
I know you mentioned it. Doesn't make it not suspicious

But I think currently I'm more suspicious of the other two anyway.

Got any reads?

Kek
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 20:01 GMT
#214
On August 11 2020 05:00 Trfel wrote:
Eywa-, what do you think about HoldenGolden?

Thinking about HoldenGolden today is an exercise in futility, I've decided not to do it.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 20:06 GMT
#216
On August 11 2020 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2020 05:01 Eywa- wrote:
On August 11 2020 05:00 Trfel wrote:
Eywa-, what do you think about HoldenGolden?

Thinking about HoldenGolden today is an exercise in futility, I've decided not to do it.


Enthusiastic entrance, I don't know about his reads atm.
Leaning town tho.

I mean, sure... But twice reminders that he's busy / tired + half-assed reads that mainly apply to himself as much as his push + a claim that he moved sites to change his meta + AtE based on that meta change "This is just like MS, I always get lynched".

I mean, yikes. really sounds like someone who's trying to work on their town game you know?
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 20:07 GMT
#217
There's something off about it, I'm just not decided on it being mafia... It might just be a style thing.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 21:06 GMT
#220
On August 11 2020 05:45 Vivax wrote:
Have you found a way of explaining why you're voting for me eywa?

This is a weird angle for town!vivax to take towards his top scum read 4hrs pre-eod... I mean, we need a decisive vote, I would like for it to be on vivax, but I will switch to ShoCkey if you guys insist.
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Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 10 2020 22:05 GMT
#225
On August 11 2020 04:23 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2020 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Terrible Takes by Trfel

Town Lean
LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
Mostly a gut read, but two more reasons. First, he's made the most posts in the thread so far, which (much) more often than not makes someone town, especially in a low-activity game like this. And second, his worry about the lack of activity in the game feels genuine. It's not a very strong read, but I'd bet on it if I had to.

Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +
I still feel a bit bugged by how he played earlier in the game, but since then he's been investigating things and more importantly, he's been pushing his reads. In a low-activity game like this, there is less incentive for mafia to push reads. Despite the aforementioned things that I don't like, the rest of his play feels towny and investigative.

HoldenGolden + Show Spoiler +
While LightningStrike has provided the most posts in this game, HoldenGolden has provided the most content in this game. He's been probing and poking everyone and seems to genuinely be trying to figure out the game.


Null
GTacc
Vivax

Mafia Lean
Eywa- + Show Spoiler +
His post on HoldenGolden, sharing his suspicions of him, that later vanished into thin air. It was his most explained and serious read, and seems to have taken a decent amount of effort to read a previous game and compare. And note that later, he even mentions who he wants to lynch but can't (GTacc). If he's still scumreading HoldenGolden, why wouldn't he be in this category? Or if something changed, why not say what changed?

The only thing I can think of that caused this is in the time between these two linked posts, several people posted about either townreading HoldenGolden or not wanting to lynch HoldenGolden. It feels like once there were obstacles put in the way, Eywa- no longer wanted to lynch/cared about lynching HoldenGolden.

Why would town be like this? If anything, town would push even harder for a lynch on his "naked mafia" read. Whereas mafia is much more inclined to drop it and look for a different, easier target.

ShoCkeyy + Show Spoiler +
ShoCkeyy says he doesn't like it when people analyze and look at opening posts too deeply, and implied that he didn't like HoldenGolden looking into early game posts. But then he said he liked how Mr. Cheesecake looked into my opening post and didn't like my opening post.

Inconsistent, but not the strongest.

Fecalfeast + Show Spoiler +
Honestly this is just due to feelings. But here:
On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest
eywa

cheesecake

holden

I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while.

Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise

nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there.

vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot.
This post doesn't actually say much. He puts Eywa- townier than Mr. Cheesecake and Mr. Cheesecake townier than HoldenGolden, but only relative to each other. It's super non-committal and not very useful. Four times in this short post he says something to the effect of "I could be wrong," "I'm not sure," or "we'll have to wait and see."

Feels very disengaged from the thread. Instead of driving or pushing things, he's just saying what looks good and what looks bad. It doesn't feel like he cares to find mafia, just evaluate what things look like. Nothing insightful. He's not even posting videos or showing interest in the game. Fecalfeast as town is much better than this.


I still need to figure out who I want to vote for most, but I'd definitely like to vote within these three.


They are nice takes.

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Eywa-
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August 10 2020 22:05 GMT
#226
On August 10 2020 00:15 Vivax wrote:
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On August 09 2020 23:46 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 09 2020 23:42 Vivax wrote:
Yo I'm back from camping. Don't know if I have the energy to contribute much atm but we'll see.

Yo Vivax how you been? Any current thoughts on the game if you happened to had read the game at this point?


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On August 09 2020 23:26 Eywa- wrote:
On August 09 2020 23:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back from the store:
On August 09 2020 22:50 Eywa- wrote:
HoldenGolden, I'm not familiar with the flavor, are you softing doc?

This is so scummy...
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On August 09 2020 23:16 HoldenGolden wrote:
No I was only talking about shockey. I asked only about trfel because you inferred that he tends to have good openings.

I'll let it rest on the back burner for now though.

Eywa I'm disappointed. I'm softing godfather. No it's just Noir style lingo since the game is named after the genre.

That said, if you think I'm softing a PR role, why would you ask me directly lol?

fair play on that and very good question and I think he is likely mafia for that question to you.

You're town, unvote me.


This seems townie, holden feels townie too. Not much else. I've been well but I'm rekt today.

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August 10 2020 22:05 GMT
#227
On August 11 2020 06:58 Vivax wrote:
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On August 11 2020 06:06 Eywa- wrote:
On August 11 2020 05:45 Vivax wrote:
Have you found a way of explaining why you're voting for me eywa?

This is a weird angle for town!vivax to take towards his top scum read 4hrs pre-eod... I mean, we need a decisive vote, I would like for it to be on vivax, but I will switch to ShoCkey if you guys insist.


I haven't even called you mafia, and even less my top scumread. Don't know what game you're reading.

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Eywa-
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August 10 2020 22:06 GMT
#228
We should definitely kill vivax
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August 10 2020 22:19 GMT
#231
On August 11 2020 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
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On August 11 2020 06:58 Vivax wrote:
On August 11 2020 06:06 Eywa- wrote:
On August 11 2020 05:45 Vivax wrote:
Have you found a way of explaining why you're voting for me eywa?

This is a weird angle for town!vivax to take towards his top scum read 4hrs pre-eod... I mean, we need a decisive vote, I would like for it to be on vivax, but I will switch to ShoCkey if you guys insist.


I haven't even called you mafia, and even less my top scumread. Don't know what game you're reading.

Can confirm you didn't even call him mafia you only said nice takes to trfel so I assuming he thinks you called him mafia from that?

Yeah, I mean he hasn't really explicitly stated much, it seems like he's mostly trying to buddy everyone who gives some semblance of reads in the thread as I quoted above.
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August 10 2020 22:47 GMT
#234
Vote for vivax, let's get a flip and move into the next day.
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August 10 2020 23:09 GMT
#238
On August 11 2020 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hey just got home from work am i being killed or what

Probably not
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August 11 2020 00:19 GMT
#260
On August 11 2020 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait it's less than an hour until deadline and your top scumread and vote target has come back with a multi-post stream of consciousness and you're like "meh, time for a shower" or do you have somewhere to be?

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August 11 2020 00:25 GMT
#265
On August 11 2020 09:22 Trfel wrote:
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On August 11 2020 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait it's less than an hour until deadline and your top scumread and vote target has come back with a multi-post stream of consciousness and you're like "meh, time for a shower" or do you have somewhere to be?
I was exercising while talking to you, I needed to shower.

Make of it whatever you want, I guess, haha.

Do you agree that lynching vivax is better than no lynch here?

If so, I expect your vote to have moved by the deadline.
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August 11 2020 00:29 GMT
#272
On August 11 2020 09:28 Trfel wrote:
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On August 11 2020 09:25 Eywa- wrote:
On August 11 2020 09:22 Trfel wrote:
On August 11 2020 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait it's less than an hour until deadline and your top scumread and vote target has come back with a multi-post stream of consciousness and you're like "meh, time for a shower" or do you have somewhere to be?
I was exercising while talking to you, I needed to shower.

Make of it whatever you want, I guess, haha.

Do you agree that lynching vivax is better than no lynch here?

If so, I expect your vote to have moved by the deadline.
No, I disagree.... I think that it's okay to take an extra 24h on Day 1 (especially given the lack of activity). It doesn't mean that we lose, it just means that we have one less day to work with later. I find activity towards the end of games (towards LYLO) tends to significantly drop off, and people are more or less just waiting for the flip anyway. It's not a no-lynch, it's just a 24 hour delay on the lynch.

If I had reason to think Vivax is mafia, then I would change my vote. But I don't. He's solidly null for me; he hasn't posted much but I'm okay with what he has posted.

You are willing to risk losing the game on time over a null read?
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August 11 2020 00:30 GMT
#274
On August 11 2020 09:30 LightningStrike wrote:
FF is mafia because he lied about me not scum hunting and his first list post not making a real rad on me is just pure mafia motivated. FF if your town I never playing with you ever again.

lol what
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August 11 2020 00:34 GMT
#277
On August 11 2020 09:32 Trfel wrote:
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On August 11 2020 09:29 Eywa- wrote:
On August 11 2020 09:28 Trfel wrote:
On August 11 2020 09:25 Eywa- wrote:
On August 11 2020 09:22 Trfel wrote:
On August 11 2020 09:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait it's less than an hour until deadline and your top scumread and vote target has come back with a multi-post stream of consciousness and you're like "meh, time for a shower" or do you have somewhere to be?
I was exercising while talking to you, I needed to shower.

Make of it whatever you want, I guess, haha.

Do you agree that lynching vivax is better than no lynch here?

If so, I expect your vote to have moved by the deadline.
No, I disagree.... I think that it's okay to take an extra 24h on Day 1 (especially given the lack of activity). It doesn't mean that we lose, it just means that we have one less day to work with later. I find activity towards the end of games (towards LYLO) tends to significantly drop off, and people are more or less just waiting for the flip anyway. It's not a no-lynch, it's just a 24 hour delay on the lynch.

If I had reason to think Vivax is mafia, then I would change my vote. But I don't. He's solidly null for me; he hasn't posted much but I'm okay with what he has posted.

You are willing to risk losing the game on time over a null read?
It's not much of a risk really, but sure.

@LightningStrike, sorry, but I'm not 100% convinced he's mafia yet. I'm still going to work on it.

@Fecalfeast, sorry for so many questions, but can I ask why you voted for Vivax and not for LightningStrike here?

I would guess it's because we're not killing LS today.
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August 11 2020 00:45 GMT
#290
Is Trfel the kill? LOL
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August 11 2020 00:52 GMT
#296
I'll actually just dunk on ANYONE if someone goes to 3 or 4.
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August 11 2020 00:59 GMT
#304
##unvote
##Vote: GTacc
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#307
Kek
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#310
##unvote
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August 11 2020 18:58 GMT
#330
##vote: HoldenGolden
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August 11 2020 18:58 GMT
#331
I think there's a lot of TvT which brings me back to my original conclusion, HoldenGolden + Vivax or GTacc
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August 12 2020 02:02 GMT
#397
I'm almost at the point of policy lynch for the players who unvoted, but I guess we can give it another 24hrs.
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Eywa-
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August 12 2020 03:15 GMT
#402
On August 12 2020 12:06 GTacc wrote:
So it must take 2 weeks huh. I guess I really need to read now.

No, we must take less than 2 weeks O_O people unvoted at the deadline to prevent maj
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August 12 2020 03:42 GMT
#404
On August 12 2020 12:29 GTacc wrote:
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On August 10 2020 22:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On August 10 2020 22:19 HoldenGolden wrote:
On August 10 2020 12:48 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On August 09 2020 21:32 HoldenGolden wrote:
On August 09 2020 12:49 LightningStrike wrote:
oh wait holden is here
On August 09 2020 12:46 HoldenGolden wrote:
On August 09 2020 12:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Got 2nd place in clash T_T. Shockeyy looks a little forced? Trfel looks alright but nothing spectacular from his entrance? Will keep an eye on him. Holden looks alright.


Can you elaborate on how you feel Shockeyy seems to be forced tonally?

Out of curiosity, is trfel known for having spectacular entrances?

He was being overly happy type of forced at least tone wise I might reading into it to much. Trfel sometimes does spectacular entrances but more often than not doesn't.

Unvote
Vote: lightingstrike



On August 09 2020 15:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On August 09 2020 13:36 Trfel wrote:
On August 09 2020 11:56 HoldenGolden wrote:
1) he said it in the same sentence that he was answering my question about the voting thread. Therefore, it came off as if he was speaking to me still.

2) Mostly to get the ball rolling; there's no specific AI reason yet.
Thanks, that makes sense. I see now.


When people look into openings too hard, it gives me the jeebies.

Do you got jeebies now? If so, care to explain it to the class?



Typically when people dig too much into first day posts, I tend to start feeling like the person digging is scummy since D1 posts are usually not informative at all. But this is a different type of game, and no one voted at all.

For this next day, we’re going to have to focus on those that are just not posting at all.

I'm just trying to understand your head here so bear with me. Why can't those who are excessively digging at D1 posts be townies trying to create a useful day 1?

Why Vivax over Gtacc for your inactive elimination plan?

Same question I asked to Fecal: how am I forced?


Because I know Vivax is more than a one post player, as mafia or town, so I rather pressure him. I don’t know GTac at all. However, if GTac doesn’t post anything today, I’ll just spend more effort on GTac.


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On August 11 2020 00:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On August 10 2020 23:58 LightningStrike wrote:
These votes are all over the place o.o we should vote someone together. Also regarding GTac he is just policy at best due to his inactivity.


We aren't lynching GTacc. Please tell us who your top scumread is this game. And none of that bluehunting stuff.

yasssss
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On August 11 2020 08:04 Trfel wrote:
On August 10 2020 12:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok so which inactive do we kill? I'm down with your plan for right now but you have to drive
This post feels super suspicious to me as well. Fecalfeast had just previously posted this:
On August 10 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of the three active non-LS people so far this is the order I would rank them from towniest to scummiest
eywa

cheesecake

holden

I can't read LS because I think everything he says is scummy because he doesn't really understand subtext if I remember correctly it has been a while.

Trfel pings towny to me for his early questions but honestly meh otherwise

nobody reads overly scummy to me. The only reason holden is on the bottom of my short list is because their posts seem forced and overly aggressive IMHO. I get they're an offsite player though so who know what they do over there.

vivax we will have to wait and see. I like that he found a non-obvious post to make a read on and one I also liked to boot.
Where he admittedly has no scumreads. But even moreso, look at the player pool (excluding himself), to see who Fecalfeast would want to lynch here (remember, he's looking for an inactive):

Eywa- (likes him better than HoldenGolden)
GTacc
ShoCkeyy (the person he's talking to, obviously he wouldn't suggest himself)
LightningStrike (says he's an active player, and can't read him)
Mr. Cheesecake (likes him better than HoldenGolden)
Vivax (liked his read, but says wait and see)
HoldenGolden (active, but not overly scummy)
Trfel (towny for some posts, meh otherwise)

First of all, no one was completely inactive. Second, he has no reason to trust ShoCkeyy. Why would he go with ShoCkeyy here and be willing to follow his vote? Third, and most importantly, the only logical choice of vote here would be GTacc. No one was really inactive (except for GTacc), and Fecalfeast himself would have had misgivings about every other target, as mentioned in his list post.

If Fecalfeast is town, he looked at a town full of people he didn't feel comfortable lynching, and told someone he had no read on that he'd vote for any of them. That makes no sense for town.

I'll be voting for Fecalfeast and I strongly suggest you consider doing the same.

##vote: Fecalfeast

:pensive: I get it...

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On August 11 2020 08:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ok just went back to check. Town loses if time expires which means mafia wants to go as many days with no lynch as possible as each day we get closer to lylo. Imagine lylo with a full game that's shit.

So with this being true I'm thinking eliminating low posters with the votes is a good start as it forces mafia to bluehunt or kill more active players thereby reducing the pool of possible mafia well before the timer runs out. If we create a popular effort to stall votes later on if things get spicy then we really shouldn't lose.

Vivax is a fine kill as is shockeyy or gtacc

A shenanigans onto LS would be fine too

We need to kill today imho

so all inactives are good choices for a kill? why did you post today at all if you were already coming to this conclusion?
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On August 11 2020 09:56 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Why don’t we just vote GTac?

I don't like this, kind of looks like mafia checking waters if people wanna dkdk me or not.

sorry, i kept forgeting player names while reading so i don't have any reads other than shock bad guy and eywa good guy. I still don't know how dkdk's work sorry for my english

dkdk works by a playing holding majority vote at 9pm EST.
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August 14 2020 02:17 GMT
#496
##vote: Mr.Cheescake
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#500
On August 14 2020 11:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm the only one who doesn't call you ewya you can trust me

I didn't like his unvote at eod, I didn't like that he was voting on the same wagon as Shockey (even though I think Shockey is town). From his PoV, he's willing to throw a lynch away in order to not vote with his scum reads, so yeah... I don't get it.
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August 15 2020 17:33 GMT
#605
I don't have an inquisitive nature because I don't expect responses to my questions to yield anything of value. This game has "reads list" players, which I think is cute.

Everyone has vivax as null since the very start of the game and no one finds that to be weird? Also, I was talking to Holden as though he might be town because I realized he might have town slipped in some of his posts, but I didn't see vivax happening as the first kill, so trying to generate a new consensus would just have been impossible.
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August 15 2020 17:37 GMT
#606
I think the most likely answer is trfel + vivax. Though not everyone outside of that is cleared. I'm super confident about Shockey though and I don't think Damdred can be with vivax.
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August 15 2020 21:15 GMT
#618
##vote: trfel
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August 15 2020 21:21 GMT
#622
I feel like vivax trfel dafred wins
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August 15 2020 21:23 GMT
#624
I mean, I said as much EOD D1 too, so if two of you are town, I don't see us winning. I just keep coming back to this solve.
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August 15 2020 21:27 GMT
#626
On August 16 2020 06:25 Dadred wrote:
Nah you guys should hop on my wagon, i'll take responsibility tomorrow if it goes down bad. But we need to lynch today.

So come with me give opinions on the people here now. I am not voting Shockeyy, LS today. Vivax if someone puts a compelling case together I would, I do not think his afk is necessarily mafia aligned. His meta points to it being more scum related true but this whole game has been afk so its not really nai here.


Is this how you play mafia? Lol

Why do we care if you'll take responsibility. If you're willing to take responsibility, you should be willing to go the other way, you first then LS right?
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August 15 2020 21:28 GMT
#627
Like this post reads to me like you're 100% locking in a difference between you and LS.
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August 15 2020 21:28 GMT
#628
##vote: Damdred
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August 15 2020 21:47 GMT
#633
On August 16 2020 06:33 Dadred wrote:
Wait i misread, I said i wasn't interested in lynching LS or Shockeyy today.

Ah, my bad.
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August 15 2020 21:48 GMT
#635
On August 16 2020 06:46 Vivax wrote:
Eywa what did you even vote Cheesecake for?

He ninjad my post so there's a 0,01% chance he's scum looking for the same answers as me.

Do you expect that if I answer this question again, that I will somehow slip giving you a reason to vote me?
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August 15 2020 21:52 GMT
#638
On August 16 2020 06:50 Dadred wrote:
Pretend i've only been in the game 24 hours (lol) can you explain it to me in real time Eywa?

I voted mr.cheesecake because I didn't like the EOD unvote I think his posting has otherwise been Towny. I didn't think Holden was lock scum when we got to the vote, but it was an easy vote to progress a game that was otherwise dead. I actually thought he town slipped in a few posts.

Anything else you need me to clear up for your idea of scum hunting to be complete?
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August 15 2020 21:53 GMT
#639
On August 16 2020 06:52 Vivax wrote:
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On August 16 2020 06:48 Eywa- wrote:
On August 16 2020 06:46 Vivax wrote:
Eywa what did you even vote Cheesecake for?

He ninjad my post so there's a 0,01% chance he's scum looking for the same answers as me.

Do you expect that if I answer this question again, that I will somehow slip giving you a reason to vote me?


I like how you already start from the presumption that I ask you things in order to nail you.

And in an attempt to evade the question.

Is there a reason for you not wanting to share insights on previous scumreads?

Cases are scummy.
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August 15 2020 22:49 GMT
#658
Trfel Damdred vivax contains 2 scum lol
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August 15 2020 22:50 GMT
#659
On August 16 2020 07:43 Trfel wrote:
I do find it really interesting and suspicious that ShoCkeyy and Eywa- have not responded to the replacement and are still voting for the GTacc/Dadred slot. Doesn't make much sense to me. Even though GTacc was suspicious I don't think anyone could say he was mafia with certainty given his low activity/substance.

I voted post replacement, but yeah, I suppose it's suspicious kappa
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August 15 2020 23:00 GMT
#669
On August 16 2020 07:57 Trfel wrote:
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On August 16 2020 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
On August 16 2020 07:43 Trfel wrote:
I do find it really interesting and suspicious that ShoCkeyy and Eywa- have not responded to the replacement and are still voting for the GTacc/Dadred slot. Doesn't make much sense to me. Even though GTacc was suspicious I don't think anyone could say he was mafia with certainty given his low activity/substance.

I voted post replacement, but yeah, I suppose it's suspicious kappa
Yeah, still suspicious. I feel like most people try to get a chance to evaluate the replacement first.

Unless you have a read on Dadred already, in which case I'm all ears?

Let's flip trfel, when he flips mafia, I'll be lock town.
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August 15 2020 23:01 GMT
#671
##vote:trfel
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August 16 2020 00:37 GMT
#723
Can we end trfel today?
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August 16 2020 00:40 GMT
#730
On August 16 2020 09:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
I would also kill LS lmao

I would not.
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August 16 2020 00:41 GMT
#732
On August 16 2020 09:40 Vivax wrote:
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On August 16 2020 09:38 Trfel wrote:
On August 16 2020 09:35 Vivax wrote:
Don't bother with the meta.

Why do you even feel like you need to dig up quotes?

Trfel if you are scummy scum we can just vote you off, no need to feel forced.
You asked, I assume you found it relevant to something. I just brought it up because I found it interesting.

Typically when people ask about something, it means they want proof?


Well in your case, you should know I'm on the Shockeyy wagon and don't need convincing so it looked more like you wanted to bring up those quotes to relieve some internal pressure when you feel like you're not doing enough.

Shockey is town, high confidence read.
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August 16 2020 00:41 GMT
#733
On August 16 2020 09:41 Vivax wrote:
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On August 16 2020 09:37 Eywa- wrote:
Can we end trfel today?


You are SO boring.

I mean, I'm trying to kill mafia. I don't play the same way as most players here, that much is true.
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August 16 2020 00:43 GMT
#735
Honestly, I think the aimless vague questioning that goes on is detrimental to town.

But yeah, I know that's not a popular take here.
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#737
On August 16 2020 09:43 Trfel wrote:
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On August 16 2020 09:38 Vivax wrote:
Trfel starting from your list post, could you tell me where you're at with the eywa and LS reads? Just a few lines of thought on why you think they're mafia, if you don't mind.
LightningStrike is pretty easy. I think his play has been pretty abysmal this game. His anger at Fecalfeast felt off, especially with the way that he backed off of it so easily. I could maybe see him getting so upset at Fecalfeast and pushing him that recklessly, but not with the way he backed off. Furthermore, his vote for HoldenGolden made no sense for me; he was townreading HoldenGolden earlier and it felt very convenient. Also coming back at the start of Day 2 being surprised, saying "My read on HoldenGolden was wrong, I need to redo my reads list" sounds super mafia motivated. He shouldn't be surprised any more, he had a day to process the flip and reread things.

Eywa- is tougher. I don't know if Eywa- is mafia, I need to reread him. He's felt present at times and absent at other times. It doesn't help that he's really annoying me right now, and I have trouble reading players who annoy me accurately.

You can't think that the vote on HoldenGolden has any scum motivation, if LS is mafia, he just sits there and lets HoldenGolden go over and says "told you so, now sheep me you idiots".

Like, this is the type of thing that IF town, you CANNOT post. It's just absolutely mind-boggling.
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#739
Of course, it comforts me to know that you're not town, otherwise, that logic would drive me through the wall.
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August 16 2020 00:50 GMT
#745
Guys, I don't know what to tell you, Trfel is just mafia. Like, my point about LS also applies to myself, all I need to do if I'm mafia is lean on the fact that I posted "I think HoldenGolden town slipped", no vote him and gain another 24h.

Like, I really don't see why you guys think this player is town... And he should die today.
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August 16 2020 00:52 GMT
#749
On August 16 2020 09:48 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2020 09:46 Eywa- wrote:
On August 16 2020 09:43 Trfel wrote:
On August 16 2020 09:38 Vivax wrote:
Trfel starting from your list post, could you tell me where you're at with the eywa and LS reads? Just a few lines of thought on why you think they're mafia, if you don't mind.
LightningStrike is pretty easy. I think his play has been pretty abysmal this game. His anger at Fecalfeast felt off, especially with the way that he backed off of it so easily. I could maybe see him getting so upset at Fecalfeast and pushing him that recklessly, but not with the way he backed off. Furthermore, his vote for HoldenGolden made no sense for me; he was townreading HoldenGolden earlier and it felt very convenient. Also coming back at the start of Day 2 being surprised, saying "My read on HoldenGolden was wrong, I need to redo my reads list" sounds super mafia motivated. He shouldn't be surprised any more, he had a day to process the flip and reread things.

Eywa- is tougher. I don't know if Eywa- is mafia, I need to reread him. He's felt present at times and absent at other times. It doesn't help that he's really annoying me right now, and I have trouble reading players who annoy me accurately.

You can't think that the vote on HoldenGolden has any scum motivation, if LS is mafia, he just sits there and lets HoldenGolden go over and says "told you so, now sheep me you idiots".

Like, this is the type of thing that IF town, you CANNOT post. It's just absolutely mind-boggling.
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here?

LightningStrike's post there doesn't make sense as town. I agree it's a poor play as mafia, I think he felt like he had to vote (I mean, it is in the rules) and just it came out really really forced. Aka, mafia motivated.

Bolded...

Maybe, just maybe... ITS BECAUSE HES NOT MAFIA.
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August 16 2020 00:53 GMT
#750
On August 16 2020 09:49 Dadred wrote:
Tbh the way Trfel has approached end of game hasn't been bad at all.

Wants a lunch, pushes for it wants town to consolidate to get any information.

It's town minded,there are scum reasons for doing it as well but I have a hard time seeing scum Trfel go through so much to try to advert a no lunch for another cycle.

tbh, you're POE as well
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#753
On August 16 2020 09:50 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2020 09:49 Trfel wrote:
On August 16 2020 09:46 Vivax wrote:
I have a sudden urge to vote Trfel with you guys, maybe it's just me but those posts don't feel too organic to me.
Trfel are you serene with being voted off?
I mean, I'm pretty ticked off but at least it'd probably be better than a no lynch. Just really irritated because, as always, no one has a decent reason why I'm mafia but no one cares.


It's a tone thing you seem a bit too concerned with the writeup and yet there's no strong conviction.

Then vote him. Jesus...
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August 16 2020 00:56 GMT
#757
Guys, it's super important to get a flip on trfel today. It gives you so much information. If you're unsure about me and FF, trfel flip basically confirms us... Assuming he's mafia, which I think is nearly a foregone conclusion.
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August 16 2020 00:58 GMT
#763
On August 16 2020 09:57 Vivax wrote:
Then why is shockeyy so hard to lynch.

He's just throwing his vote away again.

I'd feel better with 5 on Shockeyy than I do now tbh.

FMPOV, Shockey can only be with Damdred. (or FF, but I think FF is town)
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August 16 2020 00:58 GMT
#764
Yikes
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August 16 2020 00:59 GMT
#767
Are we throwing on another town?
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August 16 2020 00:59 GMT
#770
##vote: Shockey

Alright?
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August 16 2020 01:00 GMT
#775
I think Shockey is low probability tbh, but if he flips mafia, I'm always killind Damdred
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August 17 2020 02:12 GMT
#796
If I'm the medic and my save is alive, I am claiming today.

I am not claiming today.
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August 17 2020 02:13 GMT
#797
I mean, we just lynched obvious town yesterday, so we deserve to lose right?
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August 17 2020 02:16 GMT
#798
I want to say I think LS, FS and Onegu are town, but I have to go back and check for town slips. going to re-evaluate the game today.
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August 17 2020 02:27 GMT
#800
On August 17 2020 11:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Im the medic and cheesecake was my save n1

Hey, if true, this doesn't actually help me win because I wasn't killing either of you most likely.
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August 17 2020 02:50 GMT
#806
I think my D1 poe of 3 was just correct.
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August 17 2020 03:46 GMT
#807
I think LS town slipped when I was "fishing" for the medic in response to HoldenGolden. That would mean Damdred and Trfel are mafia.
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August 17 2020 05:23 GMT
#811
On August 17 2020 14:17 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2020 13:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'd vote trfel
See, that's great and all, except I'm not mafia, so if you do that we lose.

Can I ask, why are you so convinced that I'm mafia? You've thought I'm mafia most of the game, and I still don't really know why to be honest. It's quite frustrating.

I don't understand why people think I'm mafia here. I haven't been super accurate, my biggest error being wrong on Fecalfeast. But I was right on HoldenGolden, and I've been consistently sharing my thoughts and reading filters and coming up with reads and explaining my reads and re-evaluating based on old and new information. To me, those are crucial traits of town play.

I mean, you're in a poe of 3 and you're questioning why people are scum reading you... Super disingenuous.
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August 17 2020 08:11 GMT
#816
So are we lynching Trfel or Damdred today?
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August 17 2020 15:13 GMT
#835
On August 17 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
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On August 17 2020 22:53 Dadred wrote:
On August 17 2020 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 17 2020 22:38 Dadred wrote:
No LS what I'm saying is your saying I'm wrong on you but refuses to lynch you and said you were more likely town.

You bolded the part that I was explaining though.


Yes your saying I am wrong on your alignment but I'm still town.

Did you read the end of day? I refused to lunch you because of a town Read.

If I'm wrong on you by your logic you are admitting to being scum.

Wait I thought you were scumreading me O.o let me recheck.

He can't townread both you and trfel unless he thinks FF is fake.
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August 17 2020 15:18 GMT
#836
On August 18 2020 00:13 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2020 22:56 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 17 2020 22:53 Dadred wrote:
On August 17 2020 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 17 2020 22:38 Dadred wrote:
No LS what I'm saying is your saying I'm wrong on you but refuses to lynch you and said you were more likely town.

You bolded the part that I was explaining though.


Yes your saying I am wrong on your alignment but I'm still town.

Did you read the end of day? I refused to lunch you because of a town Read.

If I'm wrong on you by your logic you are admitting to being scum.

Wait I thought you were scumreading me O.o let me recheck.

He can't townread both you and trfel unless he thinks FF is fake.

wait, my bad. LOL
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August 17 2020 15:21 GMT
#837
I mean, Dadred is outed mafia right? We just meme now till he gets lynched?
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August 17 2020 16:07 GMT
#839
On August 18 2020 00:57 Trfel wrote:
Eywa-, can I ask why you are townreading LightningStrike? Do you have any thoughts about what I posted on him?

Didn't read your thoughts on him to be honest. I already indicated where I thought he town slipped.
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August 17 2020 16:08 GMT
#840
Now, I'm not as sure as I was on Shockey though. His content since then has been poor. I'm not sure if scummy, not towny though.
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August 17 2020 16:14 GMT
#841
Hey, one thing is sure, you guys know that Trfel and I are not a team, so it might be in my best interest to take the gamble of Trfel today (though I'm really not sure that it's much of a gamble at all).

+ Show Spoiler +
Now if you're asking why we're not a team... You're probably new to mafia, but let me break it down. He's been pandering for my vote the past few days. It's one of those things that mafia just don't do to their partners because they need to get townies to vote with them.
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August 17 2020 16:15 GMT
#842
I actually think the above point is moot because I'm basically confirmed town by post quality.
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August 17 2020 16:53 GMT
#847
On August 18 2020 01:43 Dadred wrote:
You make it seem like a slight scum read can't slide to a slight town Read with the same information though.

People do that all the time and tbh you forcing that point now is inherently scummy lol.

Can look through most of my past games and I always go how I want when I want.

In any case I'll be afk most of today so lynching me if it happens is just what it is.

Why are you trying to convince him that he's mafia?
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August 17 2020 16:55 GMT
#848
On August 18 2020 01:47 Dadred wrote:
And no me being afk won't be scum sided if I'm busy I'm busy.

It's probably some stupid team like afk cheesecake/onegu and Trfel or Eywa.

Actually not possible due to the claimed save.

LOL
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August 17 2020 16:58 GMT
#850
##vote: DAMDRED
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August 17 2020 17:20 GMT
#856
You guys are joking right if LS is mafia. So, we basically just take him as town given that he has 2 town reads of the 4 POE players EITHER they're both mafia, OR they're WRONG town. Wrong town in LyLo = GG.

I'm never with Trfel because of how he's been pandering to me all game, therefore Damdred is always mafia because his scum team is literally 2 players who CANNOT bet together.

We can re-evaluate LS in final 3, but I think it's just obviously Damdred + Trfel.
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August 17 2020 17:30 GMT
#859
On August 10 2020 01:44 Eywa- wrote:
I'm torn because I think the mechanically correct play here is to kill GTacc (combination of him being scummy and not being involved in the stupid discussion about claimed confirmed town).


On August 16 2020 06:21 Eywa- wrote:
I feel like vivax trfel dafred wins


On August 16 2020 07:49 Eywa- wrote:
Trfel Damdred vivax contains 2 scum lol



On August 16 2020 08:00 Eywa- wrote:
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On August 16 2020 07:57 Trfel wrote:
On August 16 2020 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
On August 16 2020 07:43 Trfel wrote:
I do find it really interesting and suspicious that ShoCkeyy and Eywa- have not responded to the replacement and are still voting for the GTacc/Dadred slot. Doesn't make much sense to me. Even though GTacc was suspicious I don't think anyone could say he was mafia with certainty given his low activity/substance.

I voted post replacement, but yeah, I suppose it's suspicious kappa
Yeah, still suspicious. I feel like most people try to get a chance to evaluate the replacement first.

Unless you have a read on Dadred already, in which case I'm all ears?

Let's flip trfel, when he flips mafia, I'll be lock town.


On August 16 2020 09:37 Eywa- wrote:
Can we end trfel today?


On August 16 2020 09:50 Eywa- wrote:
Guys, I don't know what to tell you, Trfel is just mafia. Like, my point about LS also applies to myself, all I need to do if I'm mafia is lean on the fact that I posted "I think HoldenGolden town slipped", no vote him and gain another 24h.

Like, I really don't see why you guys think this player is town... And he should die today.
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August 17 2020 17:31 GMT
#860
Anyone who thinks me and Trfel were playing a bus/pocket routine for most of the game is absolutely out of their minds. I think the solve is just super easy.
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August 17 2020 17:33 GMT
#861
Now, it's fair to think I'm with Damdred, because I said he was super mafia D1 (before replacement) and never pushed hard on him. I won't even refute that case because I think today speaks for itself.
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August 17 2020 17:36 GMT
#862
On August 18 2020 02:20 Eywa- wrote:
You guys are joking right if LS is mafia. So, we basically just take him as town given that he has 2 town reads of the 4 POE players EITHER they're both mafia, OR they're WRONG town. Wrong town in LyLo = GG.

I'm never with Trfel because of how he's been pandering to me all game, therefore Damdred is always mafia because his scum team is literally 2 players who CANNOT bet together.

We can re-evaluate LS in final 3, but I think it's just obviously Damdred + Trfel.

So yeah, if we're living in the world where FF is the real doctor with the save as claimed, this is the only world we win in.
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August 17 2020 17:42 GMT
#864
On August 18 2020 02:36 Dadred wrote:
Tbh I wish I was scum with Eywa here I love a double bus. Sadly I'm not that interesting this game. Not even my favorite alignment.

In either case, a bus/pocket is less likely but it's not impossible and arguing that it is impossible just gets is no where.

I'm not even sure you are scum atm tbh, but I don't have time until tonight to dig more.

So the guy says he's never voting LS today, doubles down on that when he's pressured, then confirms that his town read on LS and the decision he's decided to take this game is a low probability play. Oh, and he's not really sure about any of his reads, but there are only 3 players to reasonably choose from! Heck, I mean, it would make sense if he were still evaluating the doc, but where is that present in his posting?

This guy is just mafia, it's irrefutable.
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August 17 2020 17:45 GMT
#865
Not to mention, the guy has a serious love for "scum hunting" and does not like how I play the game without "scum hunting", yet "scum hunting" has been absent from his posts today, which again... Would make sense if he already made up his mind, which clearly...

I mean, I don't think I have to hammer this home any harder than that. We need every town to vote here. I'm so OBVIOUSLY town and he is just outed MAFIA.
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August 17 2020 20:39 GMT
#878
I don't see anything changing, we just need everyone to vote in consensus on Damdred, or myself if you think this is my scum game. Any other vote would be foolish, any non-consensus vote is game throwing. Damdred unvoting or moving is a scum claim because I'm voting him. If he's town, the game is over.

I haven't taken a hard line on kills this game, which resulted in my top town read being killed, so I'm going all-in on this one.
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August 17 2020 20:41 GMT
#879
So yeah, if me/Damdred is Town / Town, the game is over.
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August 18 2020 00:16 GMT
#887
##unvote
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August 18 2020 01:12 GMT
#892
##vote: Damdred
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August 18 2020 02:09 GMT
#895
I'm voting Damdred, I'm town. You guys do the math on what needs to be done.
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August 18 2020 13:04 GMT
#902
On August 18 2020 19:50 Dadred wrote:
I will consolidate to make sure we get a lunch today, I just wanted to say that.

I'm town and voting you, so your vote doesn't matter.
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August 18 2020 18:41 GMT
#904
I'm 100% always voting Damdred today by the way. Any votes cast for anyone but Damdred have a 0% chance of town win because I'm not moving.
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August 18 2020 19:56 GMT
#906
On August 19 2020 04:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2020 03:41 Eywa- wrote:
I'm 100% always voting Damdred today by the way. Any votes cast for anyone but Damdred have a 0% chance of town win because I'm not moving.

Very cool if you're actually town to hold the game hostage like this.

Do you disagree with my wagonalysis?

I disagree with not getting a single lynch that I want this game.

TBH, I should have held the game hostage for Shockey.
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August 18 2020 20:17 GMT
#911
On August 19 2020 05:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
I really like that trfel pulled out the effort here though.


Eywa sell me on dadred and if you've already done the selling I'll go read it i guess

I explained why his perspective makes no sense unless he's considering you/onegu to be mafia which he wasn't considering for today.
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August 18 2020 21:58 GMT
#918
On August 19 2020 06:20 Dadred wrote:
I'm not going to come down on anyone if I get lynched, tbh idk what else to say. From my perspective the only lynchable people is Ewya and LS and Trfel. From the analysis of the wagon flipping LS outside Mylo would be optimual meh.

In either case I think I've been pretty open with my thought process and digging into a dead game.

Ewya dug and found stuff and twisted everything I've done to look scummy and that's scum 101.

Ewya wanted to end Trfel yesterday and thought Vivax was probably scum but still voted with both on Shockeyy never reevaluates and all game has either went for the opportune lunch (Holden, Shockeyy) or the easy slot (mine).

Maybe I haven't explained myself well. And it's to bad I didn't stick to my guns early but that first list was pretty decent from my perspective.

This post never comes from town
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August 18 2020 22:06 GMT
#919
On August 19 2020 06:29 Trfel wrote:
Yeah okay fine, I prefer lynching Eywa- to Damdred.

Maybe that's me being manipulated. But Damdred deserves credit for bringing the game back to life and his play has been really solid. The only real mark against him is the LightningStrike read in my opinion.

Eywa- has a few individual issues in addition to the general lack of explanations of reads and such. Plus the hard refusal to consider LightningStrike as mafia and lack of willingness to re-evaluate. I will try to stop overthinking it.

From your perspective, nothing else matters except for this. But I will re-evaluate in F3, it'll be easier to evaluate once you guys know I'm IC and Damdred is no longer clogging the thread.
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August 18 2020 22:12 GMT
#920
On August 19 2020 05:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Leaving my tinfoil hat on the rack for a moment this means dadred and eywa are not a team

Eywa/LS
Eywa/Trfel
Dadred/LS
Dadred/trfel
Trfel/LS

Personally, I think Trfel pandering for my vote up until I pointed it out is more indicative of "not partners"... Which I guess puts me with only LS from your perspective as a potential partner.
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August 18 2020 23:19 GMT
#923
On August 19 2020 08:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
who's here

I'm here
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August 18 2020 23:23 GMT
#925
On August 19 2020 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2020 07:12 Eywa- wrote:
On August 19 2020 05:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
Leaving my tinfoil hat on the rack for a moment this means dadred and eywa are not a team

Eywa/LS
Eywa/Trfel
Dadred/LS
Dadred/trfel
Trfel/LS

Personally, I think Trfel pandering for my vote up until I pointed it out is more indicative of "not partners"... Which I guess puts me with only LS from your perspective as a potential partner.

Why are you telling me who you can and can't be a partner with.

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Yes there are other associations that could be drawn but in LYLO is where all bets are final


is from that same post which you had to delete that part just to try and make your point

I mean, I'm telling you what makes sense from your PoV the same way I said how Damdred's perspective doesn't make sense from his PoV.

You can label this information as WIFOM, but there is nothing less productive than doing so. I would say that me pointing out how people should view me in relation to others demonstrates self-awareness, so it's not like you can directly take what I'm telling you as fact (due to said awareness). However, self-awareness doesn't suddenly create a rapport between Trfel and I where we would be comfortable making this play. So, all in all, I think it's pretty clearing and I'm bringing it to light because I'm not mafia and I need you to vote Damdred.
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August 18 2020 23:31 GMT
#928
On August 19 2020 08:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
eywa who would you say is with dadred and why

I would say Trfel was independently scummy before and has nothing dissociating him. If I dig real deep, I can say they basically started to engage each other in the thread in a serious way after I pointed out how I couldn't be with him due to how he's been interacting with me. He also took a 180 on his approach toward me when I pointed that out.

I haven't read his most recent stuff, I will do a review tomorrow on it. LS could easily be his partner, but like I said I though LS town slipped when reacting to my "doc fishing". I think Damdred giving LS a town read without thinking about how that doesn't really make sense from his PoV is more indicative of him trying to buy a vote than shield a partner that is already protected by town reads.
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August 18 2020 23:50 GMT
#933
On August 19 2020 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think....


##vote trfel

##vote:Trfel
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August 18 2020 23:53 GMT
#934
I mean, it's irrelevant right because I'm always voting for Damdred in F3 if it gets there, so not voting Damdred here is suboptimal.
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August 19 2020 00:59 GMT
#941
##UNVOTE
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#942
:7
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August 19 2020 01:02 GMT
#943
##vote: Trfel
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August 19 2020 01:04 GMT
#945
^unvote was at the deadline, vote after deadline.

Anyway, I'm good to go. Trfel, Damdred are my kills in either order, I don't think I'm killing LS this game.
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August 19 2020 01:10 GMT
#946
@FF are you ok with that solve?
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August 19 2020 01:17 GMT
#948
On August 19 2020 10:15 Trfel wrote:
I mean that kinda confirms Damdred as town to me, or he could have just voted for me (even at deadline, if he didn't know Eywa- would unvote).

Which makes the game solved. But I have no idea how to convince anyone about it more than I have already tried to do, and people don't really seem to care about what I say. At least Damdred read my posts, so there's something, but it's really hard not to feel ignored and like my efforts are futile. Then again I suppose I have been blatantly ignored much of today.

How frustrating.

You realize that if Damdred is confirmed town to you, then you are confirmed scum to both myself and LS right? Because in your world, if you're town, Damdred is also town. Therefore, you cannot be town, because I am town and you can't both be town.
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August 19 2020 01:19 GMT
#949
On August 19 2020 10:17 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2020 10:15 Trfel wrote:
I mean that kinda confirms Damdred as town to me, or he could have just voted for me (even at deadline, if he didn't know Eywa- would unvote).

Which makes the game solved. But I have no idea how to convince anyone about it more than I have already tried to do, and people don't really seem to care about what I say. At least Damdred read my posts, so there's something, but it's really hard not to feel ignored and like my efforts are futile. Then again I suppose I have been blatantly ignored much of today.

How frustrating.

You realize that if Damdred is confirmed town to you, then you are confirmed scum to both myself and LS right? Because in your world, if you're town, Damdred is also town. Therefore, you cannot be town, because I am town and you can't both be town.

To clarify, my point is, I'm the one who explicitly said I'm not reading, but whether I read or not is irrelevant to you and your wincon. I mean, I think you're just missing part of the picture because you're mafia (and I'm a difficult player to play with - I play by not giving you anything to feed on).
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August 19 2020 01:24 GMT
#953
Like, from my PoV it's obvious right, two players have egregiously fudged their perspectives in the bubble of 4 where I've consistently had the ball on winning strategies, so yeah... I'm near-lock town here. Indecisiveness in a poe of 4 which you're a part of is not towny... Even if you have nothing to go on it's 67%. Having incorrect perspectives when you only have to factor 3 players into the equation is not towny.

Also, Damdred gave off a universal scum tell earlier. I'm not going to say what it is, but it's incredibly skewed towards scum.
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August 19 2020 01:28 GMT
#955
On August 19 2020 10:25 Dadred wrote:
I think I know why Trfel but we can talk about it post game, and I don't think it's a bad thing necessarily.

Why didn't you hammer?
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August 19 2020 01:29 GMT
#956
Also, for anyone wondering, the unvote was with 1 second on the clock.
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August 19 2020 01:32 GMT
#958
On August 19 2020 10:30 Dadred wrote:
Because I think the work Trfel put in makes them town.

And you expect to sway FF today? Don't you think his town read on me is already too strong?
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August 19 2020 17:02 GMT
#977
I'm voting with confirmed town. You fools, who do you think my partner is...
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August 19 2020 17:13 GMT
#978
LS are you joking? Damdred actually said that it has to be me/you and then he tries to convince you who to vote. Like, I don't get it... How do you think "LS is lock scum from my PoV" ... "LS vote with me" has town motivation.

It's actually insanity that you're voting me right now. Trfel has Damdred as lock town and isn't voting with him. Trfel isn't spending anytime talking to FecalFeast despite the fact that the FecalFeast vote is the only one that matters for him.

Like, this game is such a joke, have none of you played LyLo before?
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August 19 2020 17:16 GMT
#980
Fyi, in the current situation, town loses 100% of the time. 3 votes not following confirmed town is GG. I'm town, so 3 votes off of me is GG.
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August 19 2020 17:17 GMT
#981
On August 19 2020 10:24 Dadred wrote:
I will say if Ewya and Trfel are scum it is one of the more interesting bus interactions. I am pretty much forced into the world of Ewya/LS no matter what I do today.

Tbh I would of probably hammered you at the start of the day but your work and posts swayed me. It helps LS afkd on you, even as discouraged town he usually cares EOD.


Derpderpderp
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August 19 2020 17:18 GMT
#982
On August 20 2020 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2020 02:13 Eywa- wrote:
LS are you joking? Damdred actually said that it has to be me/you and then he tries to convince you who to vote. Like, I don't get it... How do you think "LS is lock scum from my PoV" ... "LS vote with me" has town motivation.

It's actually insanity that you're voting me right now. Trfel has Damdred as lock town and isn't voting with him. Trfel isn't spending anytime talking to FecalFeast despite the fact that the FecalFeast vote is the only one that matters for him.

Like, this game is such a joke, have none of you played LyLo before?

He doesn't have me lock scum he only said there was a chance I was scum at least get that right. Yes I had played LYLO but only as town.

Derp
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August 19 2020 17:18 GMT
#983
No matter what
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August 19 2020 17:18 GMT
#984
Derp
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August 19 2020 17:19 GMT
#985
No matter...
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August 19 2020 17:19 GMT
#986
What
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August 19 2020 17:19 GMT
#988
D
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#989
E
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#990
R
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#991
P
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August 19 2020 17:21 GMT
#992
On August 20 2020 02:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2020 23:07 Dadred wrote:
LS vote Ewya. You think i'm town, you could potentially be scum. But voting for Trfel here is a lose lose situation.

The vote is between myself and Ewya today, and you said the other day Ewya could be scum. So vote with me your townread.


Yeahh, he said you might be after he said you have to be. Must be genuine.

If you think it's me/trfel, there is actually no harm in voting with the confirmed towny. Like your vote is the most significant LyLo derp I've ever seen.
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August 19 2020 17:21 GMT
#993
It's actually a joke
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August 19 2020 17:23 GMT
#994
I mean, LS could be mafia because from his PoV, Trfel is literally confirmed and he's voting... Me?
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August 19 2020 17:23 GMT
#995
Is this a joke?
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August 19 2020 17:23 GMT
#996
Going for worst play of the year?
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August 19 2020 17:25 GMT
#997
Please hold while I go beat my head against a brick wall.
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August 19 2020 17:31 GMT
#998
Whatever, if the other dude doesn't show up by EOD, this is lost anyway.
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August 19 2020 19:15 GMT
#1004
On August 20 2020 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2020 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 20 2020 00:25 LightningStrike wrote:
2-2-1 split right now but we need to lynch today or we lose.
I believe we have an additional 24 hours if needed?

Nope because we have to kill a scum today then night kill then lynch scum again which is the time limit.

You do realize there is 0% of you killing scum with your current vote yeah?
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August 19 2020 19:15 GMT
#1005
On August 20 2020 04:15 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2020 04:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 20 2020 04:00 Trfel wrote:
On August 20 2020 00:25 LightningStrike wrote:
2-2-1 split right now but we need to lynch today or we lose.
I believe we have an additional 24 hours if needed?

Nope because we have to kill a scum today then night kill then lynch scum again which is the time limit.

You do realize there is 0% of you killing scum with your current vote yeah?

Aside from the fact that I'm town that is.
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August 19 2020 19:16 GMT
#1006
On August 20 2020 04:04 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2020 04:01 Trfel wrote:
On August 20 2020 02:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On August 20 2020 02:13 Eywa- wrote:
LS are you joking? Damdred actually said that it has to be me/you and then he tries to convince you who to vote. Like, I don't get it... How do you think "LS is lock scum from my PoV" ... "LS vote with me" has town motivation.

It's actually insanity that you're voting me right now. Trfel has Damdred as lock town and isn't voting with him. Trfel isn't spending anytime talking to FecalFeast despite the fact that the FecalFeast vote is the only one that matters for him.

Like, this game is such a joke, have none of you played LyLo before?

He doesn't have me lock scum he only said there was a chance I was scum at least get that right. Yes I had played LYLO but only as town.
ROFL SCUMCLAIM?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I don't know what more to say, if you vote for me instead of LightningStrike after this I can't blame myself at all.

I prefer killing Damdred, but I have to vote with FF... And I also think LS is just being a clown.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 19 2020 19:20 GMT
#1008
LS and Damdred voting together is mind-boggling. They need to know that the other is mafia yeah?

@FF if we can't get either of them to switch, you know we have to switch onto one of them right? It's our only chance of winning.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 19 2020 19:22 GMT
#1009
Or, we can make it real simple, anyone who isn't sheeping Fecalfeast after their next post is claiming scum by playing anti-town wincon. Sure, you can try to get him to move before EOD, but not voting with the confirmed town in LyLo is a scum claim.
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August 19 2020 19:23 GMT
#1010
@Trfel, you are exempt for now
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August 19 2020 19:47 GMT
#1014
scum claim x2
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August 19 2020 19:55 GMT
#1016
On August 20 2020 04:54 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, did you see LightningStrike's scum claim?

Also, for all, note that I was LightningStrike's top townread and he didn't even agonize about moving me to top scumread due to a townread of Damdred after the replacement. Feels very convenient.

Did you see Damdred's scum claim?
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August 19 2020 20:02 GMT
#1018
On August 20 2020 04:57 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2020 04:55 Eywa- wrote:
On August 20 2020 04:54 Trfel wrote:
Damdred, did you see LightningStrike's scum claim?

Also, for all, note that I was LightningStrike's top townread and he didn't even agonize about moving me to top scumread due to a townread of Damdred after the replacement. Feels very convenient.

Did you see Damdred's scum claim?
You mean not voting with Fecalfeast?

Sure, that could be very suspicious if I were mafia. But since I'm not mafia your point is invalid.

The point is valid regardless of your alignment. He cannot win as town unless he votes with the confirmed town.
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August 19 2020 20:03 GMT
#1019
= scum claim
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August 19 2020 20:33 GMT
#1030
On August 20 2020 05:32 Dadred wrote:
Yeah that was my first eh too when I read the filter

This is a scum claim
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August 19 2020 20:33 GMT
#1031
On August 20 2020 05:26 Dadred wrote:
Actually that's an excellent vote for you onegu I want to see what LS does as well with him being able to hammer

This is a scum claim
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 19 2020 20:34 GMT
#1032
Dadred, LS... LyLo = you have to vote with the confirmed players.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 19 2020 23:06 GMT
#1056
##unvote
vote:LightingSTRIKE
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 19 2020 23:07 GMT
#1057
On August 20 2020 08:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
This is what I've wanted all game tbh but never pushed it because I'm not confident in my LS read.

I'm not confident at all in your LS read.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 19 2020 23:14 GMT
#1059
On August 20 2020 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:
I will build my case on Eywa at least before deadline I will promise you that FF

kek
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 20 2020 00:46 GMT
#1080
Cases are scummy. Also, making cases isn't how town gets through LyLo, but my points about how to deal with LyLo have been entirely ignored, so here we are. Hopefully LS flips mafia.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 20 2020 00:48 GMT
#1085
Trfel and Damdred both had pretty significant perspective slips today, so it's also really weird to me that you're making such a big deal about me potentially being mafia?? Like... I don't get it, and it's making me question my earlier town read on you (not that my read on you matters).
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August 20 2020 00:50 GMT
#1087
Also, Damdred is 100% mafia... but *shrug*
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 20 2020 00:56 GMT
#1091
On August 20 2020 09:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
shenanigans onto damdred?!

doubt 4 town here
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 20 2020 00:57 GMT
#1093
On August 20 2020 09:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh come on guys it's a joke

There may be shenanigans though..
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 20 2020 00:58 GMT
#1094
##UNVOTE
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August 20 2020 00:59 GMT
#1097
##VOTE: LIGHTINGSTRIKE
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August 20 2020 01:00 GMT
#1101
Night guys
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August 21 2020 04:59 GMT
#1111
##vote: Damdred
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August 21 2020 05:01 GMT
#1112
On August 21 2020 10:10 Trfel wrote:
Remaining Players:
  • Eywa-
  • Dadred
  • Onegu
  • Trfel
I know I'm not mafia. I also know that Dadred isn't mafia, because if he were mafia he would have killed me yesterday when I had three votes on me at the deadline. So that leaves Eywa- and Onegu, Onegu presumably being the Night 1 save that prevented the mafia kill. Which definitely does point to Eywa- being the remaining mafia.

I really think it is the simple solution in this case.

##Vote: Eywa-

He never had an opportunity to kill you, I was just baiting. I unvoted with 1 second left.
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August 21 2020 19:31 GMT
#1115
On August 22 2020 03:46 Trfel wrote:
I suppose that has some merit. Eywa-, why vote for Damdred instead of me?

Wait, why do you think I should be voting you?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 21 2020 19:33 GMT
#1117
Also, going to play some AtE here, you complained all game about people killing you based on play style. I definitely feel the only reason your vote is on me is based on play style. Such is the way of the world 🤔 I guess you project your own play onto others?
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August 21 2020 19:37 GMT
#1118
Also, if I'm mafia with LS, why on earth does he come after me yesterday, making everyone question the state of the game? I feel like, if he just votes Trfel and sits, it doesn't draw enough suspicion for FF to flip.

Also, FF has town read me all game. Do either of you think you have a better grasp on my play than him? (I'm not saying he's got a god read, but I feel like we can vibe)
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August 21 2020 19:39 GMT
#1119
Also, to me that indicated that he was ok with me or Trfel dying.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 21 2020 19:41 GMT
#1120
*shrug*

I've made my case a dozen times, I don't see any point in making it again when I probably have 2 votes locked on me 🤷‍♂️
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 21 2020 20:36 GMT
#1122
On August 22 2020 04:51 Dadred wrote:
If my vote was locked it would already be on you.

I'm not putting a double bus out of the question.

I said what I said.
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August 22 2020 04:46 GMT
#1127
On August 22 2020 11:26 Trfel wrote:
you are more than welcome to respond if you like

I thought my non-response was a sufficient response.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 22 2020 10:43 GMT
#1128
Ok, I wasn't going to cheese this, but since you're being hard headed @Trfel, the reason I said GTacc was scummy day 1 and was the optimal lynch is because his meta usually involves claiming his alignment in one form or another in his first few posts as town. This ranges from claiming a town role, to addressing his townies... Now, he's moved away from that a bit recently, but I fully expected him to come in with something especially when he came back in the thread, because he knew it was going to be a low effort game.

But yeah, GTacc was scummy, Damdred also pulled a universal scum tell I don't want to give... Sooo, yeah, to me that slot is just 100% lock mafia.
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August 22 2020 19:38 GMT
#1132
On August 23 2020 04:35 Trfel wrote:
Onegu, what caused you to switch your vote from me to LightningStrike yesterday? Was it really just because I proved that I have claimed mafia as town before?

Pointless question, onegu never the lynch.

GG guys.
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August 22 2020 20:12 GMT
#1134
On August 23 2020 05:08 Trfel wrote:
You're not wrong that GTacc was pretty scummy. I thought Damdred's play has been pretty solid though, minus the LightningStrike read, he's been really open and trying to figure things out.

Is there anything else you see about Damdred's play that you are willing to share?

I mean, he's naked mafia, I don't see the good play.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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August 23 2020 01:57 GMT
#1173
Yeah, already covered in the mod's recap. Allowing no-kill in most medic setups is iffy.
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